About the United States, Gobineau wrote: "The only greatness is that of wealth, and as everyone can acquire this, its ownership is independent of any of the qualities reserved to superior natures".[35] Gobineau wrote the United States lacked an aristocracy, with no sense of noblesse oblige ("nobility obligates") as existed in Europe. The American poor suffered worse than the European poor, causing the United States to be a violent society, where greed and materialism were the only values that counted

>>17778094 (OP)
>America doesn't have any "old rich" and thats a bad thing

>"The American poor suffered worse than the European poor"
this statement alone is the most preposterous thing I've ever heard in my life.

>>17778102
Prove him wrong

>>17778158
If the American poor suffered worse, how come they didn't mass immigrate to Europe the same way the European poor did to America? Obviously the American poor had a much higher standard of living.

Also, vis a vis the nobility LARP; by the 1800s, there was basically no real nobility left anyway, and the U.S did have noblesse oblige in the Southern states where a sort of martial-farmer-citizen classical republican style culture fermented strongly.

>>17778191
because europeans came to USA because they were promised prosperity, land, etc.
When they arrived, they were thrown at Hell's Kitchen and New Orleans

>>17778609
The majority went on to become far wealthier than those who stayed behind---and had more access to land and the middle class lifestyle.

America was viewed as wealthy by Europeans.

>>17778094 (OP)
>using hard worn and intelligence to make money make you great. Being the great-great-great-great-great grandson of someone who conquered some land, THAT'S what makes a person great.