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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:16:07 PM No.17778402
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What did china do right and india do wrong(second half of 20th century)? Both had big ambitions to rapidly modernize from an agricultural illiterate country to a highly industrialized nation. Both implemented a centrally planned economy to drive fast growth during it's initial phase of development, by building universities, infrastructure, companies, etc.

Why did only china suceed?
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:37:35 PM No.17778431
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>>17778402 (OP)
Jews see the economic potential of one billion slaves, and because China is more authoritarian and had its traditions destroyed more compared to India, it's easier to implant immoral sweatshop factories there with no one dares to revolt. That's why even after Tiananmen massacre the US quickly lifted the sanctions and allowed China to enter the WTO.

The Chinese government is basically like a farm manager providing to the customer US (with its overlords being Jews), and the cattle being the Chinese people. Of course the manager became richer and could renovate the farm here and there, feed the cattle better quality food, but the relationship between them remains unchanged.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:39:40 PM No.17778434
Gandhi and the Congress Party were British agents
like all 3rd world democracies its easily corrupted and kept poor and keeping them a shithole is in the west's interest
democracy also in general just gives you shitty short sighted "leadership" that doesn't get much done
The CPC on the other hand serves it people and are not corrupted by outside influence. And it has the ability to plan and make determined decisions out in the future.
They make the trains run on time
Lastly Chinese are the superior race to indians
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:42:02 PM No.17778437
>>17778431
>the jews made china rich
okay rabbi
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:53:52 PM No.17778442
>>17778402 (OP)
Socialism. China had allies that actually helped them develop, India was still under the influence of treacherous westroons, like the rest of the colonies
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:11:40 PM No.17778465
China had some thousand years of unified civilization with strong albeit corrupt bureaucracy.
India was a bunch of tribal people who were conquered not by a nation but by a fucking trading company. By merchants. By the British East India Trading Company. Of course, not to say that some Indian Kingdoms didn't exist but they are nothing compared to China. China is truly the most ancient of civilizations. Modern Europe only came about after the fall of the Republic by which time, Imperial China had already been around for perhaps 2 thousand years if you believe those chinks. If there was a pass through the Himalayas and into India, you can bet India would be thoroughly sinified.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:22:37 PM No.17778475
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>>17778437
Yes, in a Faustian fashion they tricked China into worshiping GDP, embracing breakdown of morality and sacrificing the future of their race, purely for some temporal materialistic advantages.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 2:38:48 PM No.17778498
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:09:28 PM No.17778540
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China's temperate environment was more suited to industrialization until postwar era, though this wasn't really relevant where it matters.

India used to be wealthier than China, due to war, Mao's chicanery and lack of exposure to western trade and industrialization. However after Deng Xiaoping's reforms in the late 70s GDP per capita quickly overtook India's and subsequently soared. India liberalized its economy in the early 90s and seems to be about 10 to 15 years behind China, about the same space of time, which might excite free market enthusiasts, but it is difficult to gauge how liberalized their markets were after the first attempts at reform.

We can see on the chart China achieved exponential growth in 2003 when they reached $1000, the stage where skilled educated workers rise to the lower-middle class and, freed from poverty, reinvest their surplus in the economy. 10 years later they had risen to $7000. However when India reached this stage around 2010, there was no such boom and the "superpower 2020" meme never panned out.

India's economic growth is the greatest event in its history. It has never been more free and prosperous, Indians today are earning far more than their parents could have dreamed. However they are still lagging behind relatively speaking.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 3:16:16 PM No.17778548
>>17778498
kek
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:32:33 PM No.17778695
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China's IQ is often cited as being 104, though in reality it drops to around 95 away from wealthy coastal cities.

Indian IQ estimates vary wildly from Lynn's 76 to 110 according to studies on wealthy students cherry picked on reddit. I can't find any studies on the general adult population besides Lynn, however most sources accept Lynn. It is safe to assume, walking through a typical street in Delhi you are not among an IQ 110 group like American WASPs, it is probably closer to 76 and lower than China's.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/this-country-has-people-with-the-highest-iq-check-the-position-of-indians/articleshow/118386797.cms

This is definitely a major factor, further amplified by capitalism where being slightly more intelligent and slightly more effective than competitors will see you capture most of the market share, and capital markets blow up figures further.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:44:49 PM No.17778707
>>17778402 (OP)
>Why did only china suceed?
Marxism-Leninism implemented through the lens of Mao Zedong Thought, Socialism With Chinese Characteristics, and Xi Jinping Thought
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:56:08 PM No.17778732
>>17778402 (OP)
>China
Friend to the US
>India
Hates the US because of anglos o algo

>>17778442
India is extremely socialist, retard.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:58:17 PM No.17778739
>>17778540
>We can see on the chart China achieved exponential growth in 2003
Sounds like Deng Xiaoping had nothing to do with it. Looking at your chart, Jiang Zemin got the ball rolling and Hu Jintao orchestrated much of the growth.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:05:02 PM No.17778759
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>>17778695
india performs above average in chess, a moderately g-loaded game. tamil and malayalee brahmins do disproportionately well.

This guy on twitter claims that indians living in the US have an average IQ of 110, though i do not know the exact source of this image. If true, then you could argue that maybe the visa process selects for higher IQ individuals

https://x.com/arya_amsha/status/1466106947313172489

But not much research has been done on indian IQ unlike the black-white IQ gap in the US, and the flynn effect is still going strong in india.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:10:13 PM No.17778770
>>17778402 (OP)
Nehru wasn't nearly commie enough.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:16:26 PM No.17778783
>>17778402 (OP)
China - communism
India - no communism
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:29:29 PM No.17778819
>>17778402 (OP)
China started with a much higher literacy rate than India. Plus a much bigger heavy industrial base in Manchuria. Not to mention, they were sitting on a ton of oil and were a net exporter during the 70s and 80s, while at the same time India's economy was devastated by oil price fluctuations as Middle Eastern stability fell apart. While India ditched socialism under conditions of economic crisis which required they make a lot of long-term suboptimal decisions, the Chinese state was fiscally sound when Mao died.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:32:46 PM No.17778823
>>17778783
>India - no communism
Incorrect
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:52:54 PM No.17778850
>>17778732
>India is extremely socialist,
Youโ€™re an amerimonkey retard who doesnt even know what socialism is
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:56:13 PM No.17778855
Lets see their average IQ score.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:22:12 PM No.17778945
>>17778850
They think it don't be like it is but it do.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:47:01 PM No.17778999
>>17778819
>China started with a much higher literacy rate than India.
Both had a literacy rate under 20% in the 40s. And by the end of Maoโ€™s regime China had a higher literacy rate than India does today
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:17:58 PM No.17779085
>>17778431
>its traditions destroyed more compared

The country you pajeets worship, Japan, destroyed its own culture and tradition in the Meiji restoration on advice from Dutch Protestant missionary Guido Verbeck.

The US also used Japan as factory cattle in the 1950s-1960s (Japan had mass industrial pollution disasters like Minamata disease at the time) and Japanese manufactured products were flooding the market and comsidered cheap and shoddy knockoffs of western products.

The US also did that to Taiwan and South Korea in the 1960s-1970s

>>17778475
They did that with Japan and South Korea and Taiwan in the 1950s-1970s.

The US forced Taiwan, South Korea and Japan to implement mass forced population control and sterilisations in the 1950s-1970s including forced sterilisations and abortion.

Taiwan and South Korea have lower TFR than China.

Japan has below replacement TFR.

You pathetic pajeets worship Japan.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:20:58 PM No.17779095
>>17778431
>>17778475
All Indian states except Bihar and Uttar Pradesh are below replacement TFR you retard, thanks to sterilisations.

Rockefellers pushed the same sterilisations in India as they did in East Asia (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan)

Henry Kissinger worked for David Rockefeller, who promoted population control.

Japan is part of Rockefeller groups like trilateral commission and ADB.

It's not Jews, David Rockefeller was Kissingers boss.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:23:36 PM No.17779101
Hindutva Pajeets worship Japan as a model "pagan" country, ignoring Japan westernisation and destroying their own culture in the Meiji restoration, Japan prostitution their own women to foreigners (karayuki san) during Meiji, Japan being used by Rockefellers as factory cattle before China eopened up its economy, Japan sterilising its own people for Rockefellers.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:31:59 PM No.17779119
>>17778999
China had extremely high definitions of literacy at the time because of the legacy of the civil service exams. If they counted people with the ability to read signs and write simple things, it would have been much higher. Late Qing literacy was probably above 30%.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:36:35 PM No.17779128
Kissinger worked for Rockefeller brothers fund before he joined the state department

David Rockefellr directly gave orders to Kissinger and even made him take classified documents to Rockefelelr estate, against US law.

It's hilarious how pajeets adopt wignat lingo and become totally oblivious to reality while seething against the same wignats for being anti-pajeet.

They think because Kissinger was Jew that means Rockefeller designed economic and population control policies were created by Jews.

David Rockefeller designed modern economy while he was head of Chase Manhattan and population control.

He told Deng to follow Japan, Taiwan and South Korea's policies in economy and family planning.

Kissinger is basically used as a Jesus for pajeets and wignats, all the sins of the Rockefellers get pinned on him.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:38:54 PM No.17779134
>>17779128
Also the US secretary of states before Kissinger, like Dean Rusk and Dulles were all people who worked for the Rockefeller family in their foundation and businesses.

Dulled and Rusk weren't Jews.

Kissinger was just the latest in a series of Rockefeller appointments to the US state department for several decades.

Kissinger didn't formulate any of the economic policies or population control policies that he pushed, he was David and Nelson Rockefellers puppet.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:50:49 PM No.17779160
>>17779095
India's fertility collapse is recent and not the result of Indira's sterilization campaigns.
>>17779101
As a Hindutva Pajeet myself, I think Japan was on the money with its heavy-handed intervention in religion (which predates Meiji; Edo-period Buddhism was basically an arm of the government). In India there is a lot of superstition and grift occurring under the auspices of Hinduism, which hinders the development of the country. This is to say nothing of the state of Islam in India.
India needs to expropriate all of the corrupt state-controlled temples into something like the Japanese Bureau of Shrines (which would ideally encompass the RSS too), enforce cleanliness and order in said temples, institute certifications for gurus and sadhus of all traditions, shepherd doctrinal development in a nationalist, feminist, anti-caste, and militarist direction, and institute revived and new temple ceremonies to bind the state, people, and religion together. Otherwise we are doomed to be torn to shreds by dehatism and its dialectical result of heedless westernization.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:10:19 PM No.17779337
>>17779160
>and not the result of Indira's sterilization campaigns.

Indian doctors sterilised tens of thousands of married middle class women every year in states like Tamil Nadu.

Tamil Nadu is home to Gates and Rockefeller funded CMC Vellore.

Indian doctors funded by Gates and Rockefeller regularly rip the wombs out of poor sugarcane harvesters and Adivasis in rural India, bew cases appear in Indian news every few years.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:11:56 PM No.17779340
>>17779160
>>17779337
Also Tamil Nadu has tons of women in the workforce.

Sadhguru and Hare Krishna are both linked to Rockefellers.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:13:08 PM No.17779346
>>17779160
Japan is a pretty shitty example. Fucked up a ton kf Buddhists on top of pushing an artificial state religion that had no historical basis.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:22:36 PM No.17779367
>>17779346
It was necessary to go hard on Buddhism at the beginning of Meiji. The Bakufu regime had massively expanded the temple apparatus as a means of control, and it was a vast expense for both the government and the cultivators to keep the network funded. Besides, in many places the Buddhist clergy was upholding the evil customs that Meiji had declared against in the Charter Oath. To turn Japan into a country governed by reasonable and knowledgeable officials, it was necessary to 'fuck up' the Buddhists.
Besides, Shinto isn't really artificial. It has many venerable foundations, such as the rituals of Ise and Izumo and the records of Kojiki and Nihon Shoki. And during the Edo period many scholars had investigated Shintoism and condemned the influence of Buddhism on its practices.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 10:03:31 PM No.17779431
>>17779367
State shinto is an artificial religion. Japan eliminated over 80,000 traditional shinto shrines in the shrine closure policy and built new fake shrines like the Kenmu restoration shrines.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:25:20 AM No.17779823
>>17779431
Shrine Consolidation was based on maximizing the effect of state finances and aimed at unremarkable shrines with few parishioners, not 'heterodox' shrines like Izumo-Taisha or Suwa-Taisha which was even raised in rank multiple times between 1870 and 1945. Also, Japan recognized, funded, and assisted over a dozen Shinto sects. While personally I think India would need many more shrines and recognized sects than Japan had to encompass the vast diversity of the country, it's better to have 60 well-appointed temples staffed by responsible people per taluk than 200 which are decrepit and run and overrun by thieves.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:28:06 AM No.17779829
>>17778402 (OP)
Indians are held back by their many retarded Hinudist beliefs
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 3:16:10 AM No.17780025
>>17779823

https://twitter.com/tofugu/status/810318803414515712

>How the #Japanese government destroyed 80,000 Shinto shrines in the Meiji era. https://tfg.li/stateshinto

https://www.tofugu.com/japan/state-shinto/

>That wasn't the end of it. Shrines with long histories were transformed from celebrating local heroes, legends, or natural spirits to celebrating whatever had propaganda value to the state. So the shrine that paid respect to a powerful tree for a hundred years would suddenly be paying respect to a war hero with no connection to the original shrine.

>Finally, in 1906, the Imperial government announced it would only provide funds for one shrine per village3. That one shrine usually reflected state interests.

>You might think Shinto would have experienced a revered or elevated status during this time, but instead, it was blighted and under siege. During the Meiji era's most aggressive wartime expansion, 80,000 local shrines disappeared4, consolidated into those that followed state guidelines. (For some perspective, that's the total number of Shinto Shrines in Japan today.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine_Consolidation_Policy
besides rebuilting castles out of concrete, Japan also made fake faux katanas ass produced in factories called shin gunto in the 1930s, to replaced the Meiji style Kyลซ guntล (old swords) which were copies of western sabres.

Japan literally made cheap toy katana replicas just like their fake concrete knock off castles after they destroyed all the medieval ones decades eelier in the Meiji restoration.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:37:23 AM No.17780153
>>17780025
This article is so full of random errors (like, they didn't unban Christianity until 1873, and that was not a religious freedom declaration although I guess for goras there's no difference between freedom of missionaries to trick and abuse people and freedom of religion) that I can't believe anything it says.
Also, it implies that Izumo was forced to change the deity it enshrined by Meiji. This isn't true, they did it voluntarily during the early Edo period.
The shrines primarily targeted in shrine consolidation were not 'subversive' shrines tied to local history (those were given higher rank and thus immunized to consolidation) but the endless branch shrines tied to some prestige shrine elsewhere. Also, more regrettably, shrines that were located in hamlets geographically remote from the 'villages' they were administratively part of.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:44:12 AM No.17780167
>>17780153
You know they eat beef now because of this, retard? (And the prohibition before wasn't from Hinduism, eating buffalo meat would get you killed and also Japanese didn't drink milk)

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#q16658604
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:36:03 AM No.17780271
>>17780167
Oh yeah they love beef in Japan. When I was there studying girls would constantly try to get me to eat gyudon which I hear is quite tasty. They thought it was really cute how I would never let them.
However, they also have developed good pork-based and fish-based cuisine which I made full use of. Japanese food doesn't hold a candle to Indian (nothing does) but it was an interesting and tolerable change while I was there.
Obviously the previous customs weren't from Hinduism but from Buddhism. That's because Buddhism was the predominant global ideology in the world during the 7th and 8th centuries when the Yamato state reformed into the nation we now know of as Japan. The national-liberal ideologies which dominated the late 19th century have no room for animal protection, and even in India which was sheltered from these ideological trends by the conservatism and bloody indifference of our British oppressors, some culturally advanced people in cities adopted these regrettable practices.
While it is regrettable that so many people in Japan eat beef, I do not hold the ignorance of the Japanese to be disgusting or seek to turn back time. No state which seeks to thwart global trends can survive. To achieve global protection of cows, it is first necessary to realize this ideal in an advanced and attractive state, which will create global trends as other countries seek to imitate it. If someone from a smelly, poor, and corrupt country like the current India tells people to protect cows, no one in government would listen or care. If we make India a technologically advanced and well-governed country, and devise a universal and reliable way to protect cows within our borders, then culturally advanced people in other countries will realize the error of their ways and follow suit. Based on Japanese history and values, I believe they would be among the first.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 8:15:54 AM No.17780464
>>17779085
>The US forced Taiwan, South Korea and Japan to implement
what do you mean by forced?
Also, where can I read about the forced sterilisation?
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:07:10 AM No.17780656
>>17780464

https://archive.is/P8GUb

https://archive.is/sXlQo

https://archive.is/h94ph
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:08:15 AM No.17780657
USAID was directly involved in sterilising Indians under Indira Gandhi and they sterilised South Koreans, Taiwanese ans Japanese.

The US even threatened India with throttling food aid off if USAID and Rockefeller foundation weren't allowed to snip Indian testicles.

Rockefeller foundation on their websites openly brag about their role in sterilising Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and India.

The one child policy was implemented after Rockefeller pressured China to follow South Korea, Japan and India's policies in exchange for lifting diplomatic relations and sanctions.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 10:19:07 PM No.17781846
>>17780271
Buddhism doesn't prohibit drinking milk, it has recipes for cheese. Japanese didn't drink milk or eat cheese.