I'm fascinated by the fact that there is very little steppe DNA in Anatolia despite there being Indo-European languages.

There's also Hattic (which is non-Indo-European), which sounds very much like ancient Babylonian. All of those languages are agglutinative. That's the connection for everything from the Caucasus down to the Persian Gulf.

Is "Hattic" the original "Attic"?

I've been looking for dots to connect between Atlantis and Aryans, and this seems like a big one.

I've long held the belief that steppe tribes were not really anything special, and "Semitic" languages are part of the same language tree in some way.

>>17778736 (OP)
>Akkadian
>Agglutinative
Who the fuck told you that?
>I've long held the belief that steppe tribes were not really anything special, and "Semitic" languages are part of the same language tree in some way.
Probably because you've never even attempted to learn a Semitic language.

>>17778757
>Probably because you've never even attempted to learn a Semitic language.
Oh, have you attempted to learn ancient Hittite?

>>17778774
Fii shghlaat mushtaraka bayn lughaatna, w binlaahezha 3al-sarii3, w laazem tkoun waade7a la ay 7ada 3ando shwayyet fahm bi asasiyyet mizaayyat 3ayltna l-lughawiyye

>>17778736 (OP)
They weren't IE
They were IA

>>17778993
Is this settled? 1) is IA a valid linguistic term, 2) can we say for sure Anatolian languages didn't enter with Balkan groups like Cernavoda (limited steppe into a crowded region)

>>17778995
Yes
>We use here a newer terminology that denotes the entire group “Indo-Anatolian” (IA) and restricts IE to the related non-Anatolian language families including Tocharian, Greek, and Sanskrit.4,10 The split of IA is linguistically dated to 4300–3500 BCE 4,39,49,50 predating both the attestation of the Hittite language in Central Anatolia (post-2000 BCE4) and the Yamnaya expansion. We identify the Yamnaya as Proto-IE for several reasons. Their ~4000BCE formation and mid-4th millennium BCE expansion correspond to the IE-Anatolian split; they drove the Afanasievo migration12, plausibly carrying languages ancestral to Tocharian, widely recognized as the second, post-Anatolian, split;51 they are linked post-2500 BCE to Armenians and to the Balkans3 where, Greek, and lesser known IE languages such as Illyrian and Thracian were spoken;10,36 they are linked indirectly to IE speakers of central-northern Europe via the transformative Corded Ware2,12 and Beaker7 derivative cultures of the 3rd millennium BCE; finally, via Fatyanovo52 and Sintashta8,34 Corded Ware descendants, also to Indo-Iranians.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11922553/#R43
It doesn't fit archaeologically, genetically and chronologically

>>17778736 (OP)
>All of those languages are agglutinative
They spoke Turkish. This is why.

>Hattic is Attic

Yes, Turks founded Greece.

>there is very little steppe DNA in Anatolia despite there being Indo-European languages

As expected. Turkey is J2 and has always been J2 and J2 is the race that created all cultures everywhere. IE is Turkish J2. Babylonian is Turkish originally.

>I've been looking for dots to connect between Atlantis and Aryans, and this seems like a big one.

Yes, all of the oldest archaeological finds are in Turkey such as Gobekli Tepe and Lake Van finds.

>>17778995
>>17779012
Its not "PIE", but derived from the same source i.e. CLV cline
CLV>PIA>PIE

>>17779017
Atlanteans have Haplogroup X, but your statement is true for that too. I don't think J2 is the chief lineage if we're talking global cultural transmission.

>>17779021
Yes? That's my point

>>17779024
You're fucking insane. That post was a schizo blast that was completely wrong, but it does show everyone your motivations. J2 only expanded after the Arabs migrated to the area btw.Samples before that are tiny.

>>17779024
Woah this is interesting.

>The Nancy Hanks Lincoln mtDNA Study traced back the mitochondrial DNA lineage of Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865). The testing of matrilineal relatives of Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks, provided evidence that the the 16th president of the United States belonged to the very rare haplogroup X1c.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_X_mtDNA.shtml#famous_people

There was a rumor that Lincoln was a bastard child of the Payseur family, which is also rumored to be French nobility in disguise.

>>17779032
My motivations are to understand history before the official narrative that says civilization spontaneously emerged for the first time ever in 4000 BC.

You're fucking insane for looking creating a whole narrative in your head about me.

>>17779037
You're lying out your ass and it's insanely obvious. No, Turks didn't invent Babylonian. Turks weren't even in the area. The agglutinative Turkish language is from fucking Mongolia. No, Turks didn't invent Greece. Their architecture comes FROM Greece. Their religion comes from J2 semites. Their food comes from all of their neighbors since they don't have a native cuisine.

>>17779055
What? I am not talking about Turks. I am not that person.

This is super interesting. "Yakwe" is the Tocharian word for "horse". I've also seen it said many times that Yahweh derives from a horse god.

>>17779057
You assented to all of those points in your response. That was an agreement. You're only addendum was to claim that Haplogroup X was Atlanto-Turkish. The reason you don't see Haplo-X in the middle strand of Europe is because of glaciation wiping out human remains from the interrum period.

>>17779063
Bro, I'm not going to take a schizo on head on. Go pick your fight with someone else.

>>17779067

>>17779060
>I've also seen it said many times that Yahweh derives from a horse god.
Too unrelated etymologically words, fucking lunatic

>>17779074
You're just a gatekeeping faggot.

>>17779074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw1FNAXi0qQ

>>17779055
>J2
>Semites
What? Semites were E1b and J1.
J2 is caucaso-anatolian.

>>17779091
>Semites
Kek. This word alone refers to "Shem", the supposed son of Noah. I usually ignore people who talk about Semites because it's not a real distinction, and something is being hidden by using it.

>>17779081
Wft?
>>17779087
Your """"source"""
>gnostic informat TV
>highly sensationalist videos with forced connections
Try again. Show to me any lexicon article who argues that, otherwise, you're just schizophrenic. Show to us
And your channel also
such a low intellectual level, that he even makes a correction with Lucy's bones with the religion of Ethiopia, which the same author even argues is one of the oldest religions in the world, which is clearly false. In fact, he claims that the first god is a woman haha otherwise, it's just a pathetic low-level channel that makes fake esoteric compilations and tries to maintain an air of "mystery".

>>17779060
No. These words do not have any Derivative, what are you talking about? I am curious to see the verses in the Christian Bible where the Christian god reveals himself as being a horse.

>>17779138
Kek larpagan sources be like
This channel resemble the his's crypagans, maybe the place where they read their sources? This guy created a channel to talk about christianity cringe

>>17779116
>I usually ignore people who talk about Semites because it's not a real distinction

It refers to Semitic language groups, starting with the Akkadians. It's a language family.

>>17779157
The Afro-Asiatic language family makes no sense. I don't believe that west Africans merely went east or Middle Easterners went west. Of course, genetics also say this. So, something is missing in the storyline.

>>17779272
Easterners did go west. It's why R1b is in western Africa and why the Mandara people were clearly named after the Sanskrit word for temple.

>>17779276
Easterners are not the exploring type. Atlantis came from the West.

>>17779282
Maybe, but nobody think Abo-dravidians today were the Indians of old.

>>17779284
My point is, people just fucking invent the Semite phenotype to fill gaps in history that they can't explain and are predisposed to judge a certain way. People are convinced the Phoenicians are Semite too, despite the fact that they were known to have red hair and pale skin. You know, traits you'd associate with Gaul, with Britons, with Irish (hey, wait a sec —Eiranne... Aryan?? no, couldn't be).

I want to dig more into that gap. Phoenicia is one angle. I think the Indo-Hittite language tree is another one.

At some point, people who are serious about understanding history have to get over the fact that people all over the world are capable of being evil, and this means some people in your very own genetic line or family committed some evil in the past, and this might even include betraying others or even ruling horribly! I know I know, it's easy to put this off on an "other", and I think the current elites want us very much to do so, because it isolates our hatred on a largely inbred and superstitious people who are too limp wristed to touch a girl before they are 30.

I think the "other" is within us, anon. I've already chosen to own that. There are good and bad parts of us, some of whom may have isolated themselves over time, but I'm not inclined to think prehistory starts with the "story of two peoples, one good and one bad".

>>17779308
You're right. I see what you're saying now. It's funny you mention that because just recently I was reading Ovid's Metamorphoses and he says that Cadmus, always called a Phoenician, is actually from Anatolia, which ironically fits the thread theme.

A random potential connection:

David:
>David (Hebrew: דָּוִד, Modern: David, Tiberian: Dāwîḏ) means 'beloved', derived from the root dôwd (דּוֹד), which originally meant 'to boil', but survives in Biblical Hebrew only in the figurative usage 'to love'; specifically, it is a term for an uncle or figuratively, a lover/beloved (it is used in this way in the Song of Songs: אני לדודי ודודי לי, 'I am for my beloved and my beloved is for me'). In Christian tradition, the name was adopted as Syriac: ܕܘܝܕ Dawid, Greek Δαυίδ, Latin Davidus or David. The Quranic spelling is دَاوُۥد Dāwūd or Dā'ūd.

Druid:
>Based on all available forms, the hypothetical proto-Celtic word may be reconstructed as *dru-wid-s (pl. *druwides), whose original meaning is traditionally taken to be "oak-knower", based upon the association of druids' beliefs with oak trees, which was made by Pliny the Elder, who also suggested that the word is borrowed from the Greek word δρῦς (drỹs) 'oak tree' but nowadays it is more often understood as originally meaning 'one with firm knowledge' (i.e. 'a great sage'), as Pliny is the only ancient author drawing the association between oaks and druids and the intensifying modifier sense of the first element fits better with other similar compounds attested in Old Irish (suí 'sage, wise man' < *su-wid-s 'good knower', duí 'idiot, fool' < *du-wid-s 'bad knower', ainb 'ignorant' < *an-wid-s 'not-knower'). The two elements go back to the Proto-Indo-European roots *deru- and *weid- "to see". Both Old Irish druí and Middle Welsh dryw could refer to the wren, possibly connected with an association of that bird with augury in Irish and Welsh tradition (see also Wren Day).

>>17779320
Random research group I found: https://groups.io/g/AncientBibleHistory/topic/the_name_dwd_david_in/75714603

>Line 5 reads DWD - hw or David in English followed by the beginning of the word hwdqw meaning 'offered'. So, the sons of the Priest (afkl) AbdWadd (slave of the god Wadd) are Shlm or Shalim (god of the Dusk/Evening Star or Venus) and Dh(w)Dwd or 'devoted to the god Dwd'. The word ذو dhu is a preposition in Arabic and means, in this case, belonging to Dwd or devoted to Dwd. It appears that the name Dwd (David) is a Minaean or Shasu name and is another name for the god Wadd. Wadd means 'love' and Dwd means 'loved' or 'beloved' in Hebrew.

I've heard people say Jesus was a Druid, and of course the Christians say he was of the line of David. What if these are saying the same thing?

>>17779318
I think we have to separate the cities and empires by eras. Tyre of 3500 BC is not the same as Tyre of 1500 BC is not the same as Tyre of 330 BC (the one Alexander conquered). I think this is one of the roots of this fallacy, because people take an essentialist approach that these people are the same and the rulers are the same. Once we adopt this idea, it's impossible for us to sort through history. It just becomes a clusterfuck of cultural archetypes that create so many contradictions it just becomes impossible to think about. In order to untangle that mess, we have to accept that many things are possible, including many unknown events and movements in between eras.

Just found this: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/498100825/#498102086

>Also, judaism is a bastardization of Turkish Druidism.
>Ab Ram, or ‘Born of Ram’, i.e 'Ram the Druid' (Ramas in the Vedas).
>King David (DWD) = King Druid.
>The name Israel itself is named after Osiris (Aesir), the southeasternmost grand Druid (in Phoenician, the name “Osiris” is written as “Usr” or “Ysr,” which becomes the Hebrew “Yisrael. Osiris is depicted as having green skin, ie. he is the ‘Druid green man’).
>Even the name”Jew” comes from Yahud or Auda which comes from Iodh or Ioux. Iodh and Ioux are associated with the yew tree in Druidism and is sometimes linked to the concept of rebirth and regeneration. There was also an ancient Celtic tribe known as the Iudii or Iudaei, who inhabited the region of Gaul (modern-day France) and Britain.
>The ancient Celtic prefixes ‘Rab’ or ‘Rhab’ mean ‘wise one’ or ‘seer’, and a Druid equates to a Rabbi.

>>17779348
Do you have more intel on this?

>>17779386
No, not really. You can search the archives for references. Another angle might be what the Essenes really were. Was that a Druid school? Was there a Druid school in Egypt?

Either way, it raises a question of the root word and meaning. You can find supposed meanings for David in Hebrew and supposed meanings for Druid in Celtic, but these are usually derived meanings. Etymology is different, and _context_ would be interesting.

>>17779017
This post is certainly written by a turk

>>17779386
Hey, I made a new post that is more specific to this here: >>17781126

Maybe this was a strategic mistake to have two threads, but it makes it a little easier to find.

>>17779386
More

Tammuz = Dumuzid = David = Druid

https://thebiblenet.blogspot.com/2016/10/tammuz.html
>תמוז

>Amongst the early gods of Yeru-Shala'im was Tammuz the harvest-god, for whom first-fruits were brought from Beit Lechem (Bethlehem, "the house of bread" in its simplest translation, but the full name was Beit Lechem Ephratah, "the house [temple] of the corn god of the Euphrates", which is to say Tammuz)

>Jerome says he had a sacred grove at Beit Lechem; probably this was the threshing-floor that came to be known as "the manger" in the Christian Nativity story

>The Temple was built on the threshing floor of Arnan or Araunah or Arvanah or Ornah, all of which sound remarkably similar to the Celtic Arawn, all of which are probably connected to the Azaz-El, the scapegoat who was driven over the hill at Yeru-Shala'im to carry away the sins of the people on his back - Oren is the Yehudit name for the wild goat, though strangely it is also the Yehudit word for the pine tree, the most popular of all the trees for carving wooden images. One of the seven villages from which Yeru-Shala'im was conurbated was named Yevus, which is usually rendered as Jebus in English; it too means "a threshing-floor"

>The earliest known manifestation of the eternally dying eternally reborn fertility god, who would later be anointed king as David, and then resurrected a second time as Jesus, was the Sumerian Damu-zid, who evolved in later Sumerian into Dumu-zid, or Dumuzi, and then became Tammuzi in Akkadian, Tammuz in Babylonian, whence it entered Yehudit, though it had already migrated into other Phoenician languages as Shemesh ("the sun" in Yehudit), whence it became Shimshon (שִׁמְשׁוֹן - Samson) in the legends of the Pelishtim (Philistines) and the tribe of Dan. Damu-Zid probably meant "The Flawless Young"

>>17779060
The horse word is unrelated. Much more interesting is the comparison between Yahweh and PIE *h2weh1- "to blow" since Yahweh is sometimes associated with wind, blowing, or even storms.

The specifics on the best description of the necessary sound changes are a bit unclear because we need systematic comparisons between Indo-European and Semitic to choose the most likely scenario. The oldest possible attestation of Yahweh is from 1390–1352 BC, so I guess technically Yahweh could be a borrowing from IE, but it could also go back to an older shared linguistic layer.

Segment YHWH into Y-HWH. Y- is a Semitic verb conjugation marker. If the root HWH means "to blow", Y-HWH means "he blows" or rather "he [who] blows".
Armenian shows a sporadic sound change word initial h2 > h which could help explain *h2weh1- > HWH.

All right, but who was wandering up and down the Levant all the way to Egypt with an IE loanword? I don't know! The similarity between the PIE root *h2weh1- and the Semitic root HWH does not necessitate direct contact between Semites and IEs. It doesn't even necessitate PIEs had anything to do with this root entering the Semitic vocabulary. It could also be part of an ancient Eurasiatic substrate that predates PIEs.

>>17781361
>The horse word is unrelated. Much more interesting is the comparison between Yahweh and PIE *h2weh1- "to blow" since Yahweh is sometimes associated with wind, blowing, or even storms.
And breath. The I AM mantra.
I accept it could be coincidence.

>>17781361
greeks/philistines or armenians? IDK

>>17781361
FYI - the horse god is the sky god though. Or rather, one of the symbols of the sky god is the horse god. That's the more proper way to put it.