Thread 17778857 - /his/ [Archived: 924 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:56:42 PM No.17778857
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Given how small the berber/arab army that conquered iberia was (20k maximum) and that Al Andalus was in majority iberian converts
The genetic replacement they did is still impressive if you take the fact that they were a very small population
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:19:05 PM No.17778935
There was no genetic replacement, most of the north african dna in Spain is pre islamic and mostly maternally conveyed
have a good day
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:23:35 PM No.17778949
>>17778935
>15 % haplogroup E
>20 % haplogroup J
Stop coping retarded faggot
Thats like a 35 % genetic replacement
All of this from an army of 10k-20k and not all of them even mixed too
Thats the worse
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:25:22 PM No.17778954
>>17778949
Wouldn't you happen to be limite?
Haplogroup J in Spain comes from the Greeks and Romans
Most of E (E-V13) as well
E-M81 amount to a mere 4-5%
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:29:17 PM No.17778964
typical andalusians
typical andalusians
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>>17778949
what do you think is more likely, the E and J comes from centuries of Carthaginian colonization and classical era trade with north Africa, or the Umayyad expedition to oust a Visigothic King where many Visigoths converted to Islam and served their new rulers
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:00:33 PM No.17779184
its germanics, they were J and some were even E and some were even W haplogroup
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:51:10 PM No.17779409
>>17778857 (OP)
Kinda surprised at how similar the soldier looks to a Late Roman legionary.
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Anonymous
6/20/2025, 10:16:35 PM No.17779448
>>17779409
The berebers that arrived in Iberia in 711 spoke latin. They were romanized mutts. That is why the Count Julian of Ceuta (visigoth) could hire them as mercenaries for the visigothic civil war. This is something most people donยดt know.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 4:56:34 AM No.17780196
>>17778857 (OP)
Always hilarious when hispaniacs claim superiority over the REconquista, ignoring how they were only forced in said position by an army of 10k barbers who thrashed the Gothic army in one battle and the whole peninsula fell afterward.

If only Andalusia had survived....
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:09:03 AM No.17780224
>>17778857 (OP)
Andalus was only 15% Iberian, and these few Iberians living there were a slave race.
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Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:10:04 AM No.17780231
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>>17778857 (OP)
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:15:09 AM No.17780240
>>17778857 (OP)
>>17778949
>>17780196
>>17780224
We need flags badly. Seething goblinos abound.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 12:00:14 PM No.17780757
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>>17780196
THose 10.000 berebers were HIRED by the Count of Ceuta Julian to fight alongside one of the sides of the Civil War of 710. But as proto-nafris they were they betrayed Julian and backstabbed them during the battle.

The whole peninsula did not fail. There was no army at those times and 95% of people lived in rural areas and no one noticed an invasion except in some big cities (where the jews opened the gates to the invaders).

This is the vandal and suebi map of Iberia. Vandal and Suebi were like 0.5% of the total 'population but with this map it looks like they surrender and dominated the whole Peninsula. Now you understand that the AlAndalus map is also FAKE. Most people did not realize that there was a muslim invasion. It is just a way for Historians to represent a time.