Reminder that Catholics are not Christian and never will be. They are pagans who worship false idols and teach false doctrines mentioned nowhere in the Bible

>>17779204 (OP)

>>17779204 (OP)
The reformers would spit on you, anon. None of your beliefs could even exist in the context prior to the American Revivals. They are just as much human inventions divorced from Scripture and church history as the made up version of Rome you have in your head.

>>17779207
Hey buddy, you ever hear that brevity is the soil of wit?

Why focus on Catholics? They at least affirm the Nicene Creed and others unlike Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

Sure, they place too much emphasis on human tradition over the Bible, but they're still Christian.

>>17779204 (OP)
This is protestant nonsense, and Catholicism is one of the direct lines of preservation of the Roman empire in modern society. Jewish moral teachings (by way of people like Hillel) are also Hellenic as well.

>>17779364
>and Catholicism is one of the direct lines of preservation of the Roman empire in modern society
Wouldn't really call raping young boys a Roman imperial tradition per se

>>17779370

>>17779370
It was, Marcus Aurelius calls it out in his meditations.

>>17779204 (OP)
Protestants have female pastors, pastors who marry and they worship gay sex and the mutilation of children lol

>>17779204 (OP)
The narrow path of rectitude

Peter "give me all your money or you'll mysteriously die in my cult compound" Cephas

>>17779435
Uhhh Papist? The German bishops??

Comical idiocy. Catholicism IS Christianity. It's the protestants who aren't, they're splitters who trust in their own inventions over hundreds of years of tradition handed down by the apostles themselves.

>>17779370
Don't you watch the news? That's a Baptist tradition.

>>17779204 (OP)
45k versions of Christianity

>>17779303
They have to constantly define themselves against the one true church, otherwise they are nothing.

>>17779237
I don't think he's trying to express wit, and sometimes things need to have details to be meaningful

>>17779769
There's nothing meaningful in a Jack Chick tract. Ultimate midwittery.

>>17779768
Just one denomination among many.

>>17779303
They have a false gospel. They divert souls away from the Lord and into their works righteousness system which will damn every soul which relies on it. This is is the most contemptible aspect of Romanism, but it is just one of many which make the religion intolerable and the church false in which salvation could not be obtained.

>>17779786
Argumentum ad hominem

>>17780482
In what way is it the false gospel?
There's a direct link from the Apostles to the church fathers through Polycarp. There's apostolic succession behind their teachers

>teach false doctrines mentioned nowhere in the Bible
Which bible? Who decided on what books go in the Bible? Was it Luther, in the 1500s?

>>17780516
>In what way is it the false gospel?
Because it is a different gospel from that the apostles preached, which is not another.
>There's a direct link from the Apostles to the church fathers through Polycarp. There's apostolic succession behind their teachers
Rome has apostolic succession in name only, for she cannot connect her many heresy to the first centuries of the Church let alone to the apostles. Nor can she even connect her institution, she is an ecclesiastical ship of Theseus, occupying the same location as the ancient churches but in a different form. But even if she had a historical leg to stand on it would be a moot point since at the insistence of the Lord the sole basis of theology is the word of God in scripture.
>>17781183
>Which bible?
The one inspired by God.
>Who decided on what books go in the Bible?
God, by inspiring them.

>>17781203
>God, by inspiring them.
and how do you know which ones he inspired?

>>17781250
Through the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit.

>>17781250
See the following:

"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
- John 8:47

Do you people never get tired of creating random argument-starter threads that go nowhere? This board is a lunatic asylum.

I was thinking about how Catholics venerate and think the Virgin Mary is blessed earlier and then I remembered two verses:
Luke 1:41-42
>And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
And I was like "Okay, so she was filled with the HS and you really can't go saying that it was bullshit". Then...
Luke 11:27-28
>As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
>But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
And then it became clear: God himself is setting up Jesus's moment of rebuke, because both women are saying the same thing with "blessing of the womb". It's basically saying that initial perceptions of "the womb being blessed" is just a superficial way to look at it and rather than exalting Mary as someone truly special, it was saying that all who hold the word of God are just as important as Mary. So, it's nipping Catholic bullshit in the bud by saying "You're all blessed in keeping the word" and you don't pray to your Grandmother in heaven to be an intercessor. See, this is how based God is that he sees what they'll use to twist things and still blows them out with his infinite IQ chess moves.

>>17782687
He also predicted that they would force men to fast and prohibit some men from marrying in 1 Timothy 4:1-4. And they still did it anyway. He also seems to have predicted that they would take the title "Father" for themselves in Matthew 23:9.

Paul also predicted their activities quite well in Acts 20:28-32, even warning us about them and commending us specifically to God's word rather than to false teachers that would soon arise once Paul was gone.

>>17779204 (OP)
Former orthodox here. Your little cult is explicitly not Christian, but it's semantic to argue this stuff because Christianity is dead.
Islam gets monotheism right. You're all polytheists.

>>17782692
>Christianity is dead, but let me give a little nod of the head to le Islam
Lol you're a joke

>>17782702
This thread is proof that Christianity is a dead joke for the mentally ill. None of the sects have a universal language or interpretation of their own scripture. Even modern Judaism reverted back to polytheism. I don't know how you don't see it.
I consider myself a diest. I can't be a Muslim because I cannot follow their way of life. But it's really obvious that Islam is the only religion that takes monotheism seriously.
You lost, man. The Church of Nativity's gotta go.

>>17779207
>the bible says
But I don't believe in the bible?

>>17782713
Christianity is monotheism, are you retarded?

>>17782725
> Father
Supposedly isn't
> Jesus
Which supposedly isn't
> Holy Spirit
But.. they all are God
Three doesn't equal One, last I checked.

>>17782727
>I don't understand the Trintiy, so checkmate
Enjoy your feel good "There is a God, but I don't know who he is, but my headcanon says he's good :)" fee fee bullshit. Come back when you get your head out of your ass and realize Christ is King.

>>17782731
> you don't get it man. it's implying that there are 3 separate natures of this supposedly one whole divine being that each have unique characteristics and personas, but it's still monotheism because .. uhh.. i don't know man you hurt my feelings man goodbye
I never believed that God is good or just or whatever. I am not in a place to presume it's morals and I can't apply human character to it.
I accept your concession. I do believe in a God, but I can't say it's your understanding of it.
But I personally need to see you all disappear. The wrong crowd among you became influential, and I am not interested in the message you have to offer to my former church or otherwise. Better to see it all burn.

>>17782740
No, you understand literally nothing and your self-gaslight of based boy rationalism who ebbs and flows in a pool of tepid "fee fees" and "I don't understand and that is truly understanding" is weak and pathetic. The Bible doesn't butter anything up, showing slaughter of whole peoples in a time of savagery and showing the light through the bloodshed all the while. It's masculine truth punching you in the face and going "Alright, let's grab a beer, this one's on me". Nobody cares for your New Age Woody Allen shoulder shrugging while you have a sheepish look on your face bullshit outlook.

>>17782747
The Chalcedonian Council debacle should tell you that it doesn't "punch you in the face" with anything. It can't even explain itself to it's reader.
Muslims taking over Damascus, Cordoba, and Istanbul while Austrians partied should tell you that Christianity indeed does "shrugs while you have a sheepish look on your face". They did it with shoddy weapons, low numbers, and miserable horses. Anglicans abandoned Boers to Zulu soldiers, Byzantines left Maronites to the Rashidun. Too many examples. Christians pussies, and I can't respect pussies, no matter how big their Abrahamic inspired superhero comicbook is.
> Nobody cares for your New Age Woody Allen shoulder shrugging while you have a sheepish look on your face bullshit outlook.
I don't get what you're even saying with the "feefees" talk. I think your brain is short circuiting and registering me as some neoliberal American voter? Move on past 2016 buddy.

>>17782754
Oh, you mean the same council under the Catholic umbrella that's basically warped God's original teachings? The very same that this thread is about? You want to bring up the Crusades too? Gee, why didn't God help out the very same subverted Church body that maliciously shits all over him?

>>17782756
The Episcopalian-Mormon-Protestant alternative is no better. Your thread is proof of that. Each churches operates like it's own sect. I visited a few and never have I seen so many vulnerable yet mentally ill people in one place. Pastors call other pastors, papists, anyone else heretics. Strange people.
They financed private military companies to commit horrible crimes in Christian cities around Iraq. Mercenaries robbed monasteries of gold valuables and sold them back home for pennies. Some slaughtered Christians there. Nothing was done to save the "holy land" or whatever it is you hold dear.
While you seethe about papists, whatever is left of Christianity will be gone, whether it's due to secular Israel or Muslims destroying it. Mark my words
And that's good. This LARP's gotta stop. Time to move on.

>>17782764
Sorry, but there'll be absolutely zero triumph for you, because it's not going anywhere. And while you keep screeching about mental illness, just look at the good works wrought forth from Atheism, where it's okay to prescribe children puberty blockers that damage their IQ and have their genitals cut off. Christians hold to a moral core in their souls that brings light and joy, and I don't care about whatever other bullshit denominations like "Episcopalian-Mormon-Protestant" delude themselves with. Everything Christianity preaches is for a stronger, better loving unity for mankind. Your anti-Christ rhetoric is going the way of the dodo bird as more people start to wake up and return to the good truth against all the trash Satan and his minions shove down everybody's throats.

>>17779207
>don't put your trust in the words of men, men will lie to you
>put your trust in this book that was written by men instead :)

>>17782779
Divinely inspired men, there's a difference

>>17782780
Did men tell you that?

>>17782774
Christianity's downfall isn't a triumph for me. It's a reality that's happening because Muslims are stronger believers.
>And while you keep screeching about mental illness, just look at the good works wrought forth from Atheism, where it's okay to prescribe ...
You are the reason why atheism has such a following. There's a push and pull dynamic with counter culture. The more you villify something the more people give it attention. My old church ignored deviants and didn't give them the time of day. The Quran similarly acknowledges that some people are beyond help and turns them away. That was too much for the Episcopalian-Mormon-Protestant that run the US. And here we are years after their reactionary policies.
> Everything Christianity preaches is for a stronger, better loving unity for mankind
Christianity doesn't preach anything. It doesn't even set rules about what is permissible and what isn't. Baptists are currently solemnizing homosexual marriages despite it being against scripture. No one says anything because there is no way to stop it. In Islam, if a mufti were to go rogue like that, it would end the way you assume it would end.
>Your anti-Christ rhetoric is going the way of the dodo bird as more people start to wake up and return to the good truth against all the trash Satan and his minions shove down everybody's throats.
No one new is "waking up". The Episcopalian-Mormon-Protestant league are bringing their children into their spirituality, but it's not effective. These people live spoiled lives off of their parents, but they secretly abandon their beliefs once they move out. I really don't think it will survive in the next few generations but even if it does, ME and Africa is already controlled by Sunni Islam.

>>17782764
>whatever is left of Christianity will be gone, whether it's due to secular Israel or Muslims destroying it.
No, anon.

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
- Matthew 16:18

>>17782794
>You are the reason why atheism has such a following. There's a push and pull dynamic with counter culture.
There is a spiritual battle going on. There always has been.

>The more you villify something the more people give it attention.
The truth value of something is not relative to how much attention it gets. Truth is not a democracy.
>It's a reality that's happening because Muslims are stronger believers.
No it's not, they are primitive tribal head-choppers who follow jihad. They only know violence. Mohammad was a false prophet. Except they repent, they will keep committing bestiality and incest until they go straight to hell, just like the 9/11 hijackers did. Then they will burn in the lake of fire with the false prophets like Joseph Smith, Mohammad and the other subhumans.
>That was too much for the Episcopalian-Mormon-Protestant that run the US.
Whoever rejects God and the Gospel will burn. They too will be burning with the rest. As it says, "broad is the way that leadeth unto destruction."

>Baptists are currently solemnizing homosexual marriages
There is no such thing as a homosexual marriage. That's sodomy, anon. The Bible explicitly says that is an abomination. Whoever is celebrating it is lost and will die and go to hell, and that judgement will be just. Such people are not Christian at all. They will burn in unimaginable agony and torment. As will you except you turn away from this wickedness.
>No one says anything because there is no way to stop it.
It doesn't exist though. Two sodomites cannot be married. See 2 Peter 2:6. You seem to be in their camp as well, based on what I am hearing here.

The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.

>>17779204 (OP)
Why would God allow His church and His followers to practice a false religion that damned them to hell for 1500 years? Why would He wait so long before finally sending Martin Luther to institute Real Christianity (TM)?

>>17779204 (OP)
All Christians will be gone by the end of the decade

>>17783444
How so?

>>17783443
I'm not the person who posted the OP but the answer to your questions seem obvious.

>Why would God allow His church and His followers to practice a false religion that damned them to hell for 1500 years?
There were Bible believers during those 1500 years, they just weren't part of Catholicism. They were not papists such as you see today. The physical proof that the church has always existed is that we have the Bible from the received text that was handed down from them.

>>17783462
That doesn't answer my question at all. Why would an all-loving God who promised His followers that the gates of hell would never prevail over them, allow countless amounts of Christians who thought they were following His will to be damned for eternity? Why would he allow this false church to take over all of Europe, compile scriptures with false verses and false books which needed to be removed after the 1500s, and perform false miracles with false apparitions and false intercessions, all to deceive His faithful? As one giant test?

Why would God damn a medieval peasant girl who loved Him and worshiped Him to eternal hellfire for simply praying the Rosary?

>>17783492
Who says he's damning anyone who wanted to place faith in him? God isn't a petty asshole, he realizes how easy it is to fall for a trap that disguises itself as his own will. Your question is pretty much asking "Why did he allow Satan to exist at all?". Because ultimately that's the whole point. We can only understand his love and good in totality by seeing through evil. Satan and the other fallen idiots got everything handed on a platter to them and still spurned all that grace and paradise. What was once Satan's is now ours to come to, because we know evil and will come to embrace that grace and wisdom more than he ever did.

The fact that you have people right now in this very thread call out Catholicism means that the great lie of it's teaching hasn't gone unnoticed and that God still intends to tear it down.

>>17783492
>Why would he allow this false church to take over all of Europe, compile scriptures with false verses and false books which needed to be removed after the 1500s, and perform false miracles with false apparitions and false intercessions, all to deceive His faithful?
His faithful were not deceived, and are not deceived. You may as well ask why He allowed Hinduism to take over India.
>Why would God damn a medieval peasant girl who loved Him and worshiped Him to eternal hellfire for simply praying the Rosary?
Why would God damn poor little eskimo children to eternal hellfire simply because they never heard the gospel? Neither of these appeals to emotion are compelling and neither represents reality. The answer is that she did not love Him or worship Him, just as they were not damned simply because they didn't hear the gospel. A human being is by nature a child of wrath, and without the intervention of God they are filled with enmity for Him, for which reason they worship idols rather than acknowledge Him. And nothing will remove the stain of sin save only the blood of Jesus Christ, which is why apart from saving faith in Him everyone without exception will find God only to be a just and angry judge.

>>17779364
What if I *don't* want to LARP as a swarthy Italian homosexual from 2,000 years ago?

>>17783492
>allow countless amounts of Christians who thought they were following His will to be damned for eternity?
It depends on each individual. If they were believing in something other than God's word, then yes they went to hell. The important thing is that God has reserved seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal. Those were the people and churches who successfully safeguarded the Scripture that we now use today.

>Why would he allow this false church to take over all of Europe, compile scriptures with false verses and false books which needed to be removed after the 1500s,
There have always been and continue to be corruptions being made to the Bible. That doesn't prevent the accurate and preserved Scripture from being preserved and available.

>and perform false miracles with false apparitions and false intercessions, all to deceive His faithful? As one giant test?
Christ warned us to believe in His word, commanding us to search the Scriptures. He said there would arise many false christs and that we should not go after them.

"And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them."
- Mark 13:5-9

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
- John 5:39

>That doesn't answer my question at all.
To my understanding, what has been said perfectly answers your questions.

>>17783525
>Why would God damn a medieval peasant girl who loved Him and worshiped Him to eternal hellfire for simply praying the Rosary?
God is going to judge everybody individually according to their deeds.