>American cities were literally designed around cars, not mass transit

Yes. And that's a good thing. Cars represent individual liberty, mass transit represents insectoid collectivism.

>>17779702 (OP)
Why are Amerifats scared of trains and buses

>>17779703
slow and inefficient method of travel

>>17779707
Not in cities.
I understand maybe wanting a car if you lived out in nowhere

>>17779710
Most Americans don’t live in cities though and prefer the countryside

>>17779712
Oh, you're a fucking idiot. Righto

>>17779702 (OP)
based
>>17779703
>>17779710
trains are slow and gay. I shit you not it's like 5 times slower to take the train or a bus than just drive. That's in cities too. I live in NJ and I was looking to go to something in nyc and it was 40 mins by car and like 3 hours via mass transit and most of that was in nyc

>>17779712
this
>>17779715
nah, you are just a homosexual

>>17779702 (OP)
>Cars represent individual liberty
Your car only takes you where the government has allowed you to go by building a paved road to it.

>>17779720
>brings up homosexuals for no reason
uh oh someone's had some fantasies

>>17779703
The US has a long history of corruption with rail companies and passenger rail isn't profitable. So you have the people that don't trust the rail companies, and the rail companies that don't want to waste money on it. The funny part is some rail companies did want to invest in public transport but they were bankrupted by jewish politicians who sold they out to the press for bribing them after demanding to be bribed to do business in their cities

The funniest thing about muh bullet trains is that not even deep-blue one-party California could build it lmao

America is too diverse and corrupt for mass transit to ever work here

>>17779721
the bus and the train only go where the government wants you to go
>>17779722
everyone who lives in the city is a homosexual

>>17779710
I used to live in NYC. It’d take 45 min+ to take the subway from midtown manhattan to three miles away in Brooklyn.

If public transport is so great, how come countries that embrace public transport tend to have longer commute times than countries that are more car-centric?

>>17779721

And trains are even more limited. How do you think this is a good argument?

>>17779725
Florida literally built multiple new train lines that are fast and generate profit and are currently building another to go from the airport to disney
guess republics are just better at everything

>>17779730
How long would it take you to drive there at rush hour?

>>17779731
>"selected metropolitan areas"
>no source listed so i cant actually look up how absurdly cherry picked this study no doubt was

>>17779715

Only 31% of Americans live in cities

>>17779725
>>17779734
California has plenty of public rail lines like the MetroLink. The reason America doesn't have bullet trains is because it doesn't make logistical sense for America to have bullet trains. I think people often forget that transportation is a market that needs demand to drive, and there is not enough demand for bullet trains over standard 100mph commuter trains for intermediate distances and domestic flights for slightly longer distances. The United States has the largest rail network on Earth, but it's all freight, because there is simply more of a market for freight trains than passenger trains in the United States, and it turns out the retards crying "muh public transport" are actually a loud minority

>>17779739
Darn Italians cherrypicking their data!

>>17779735
like less than a third of the time
>>17779751
it's legitimately fucking retarded there is no train between the airport in orlando and the theme parks in orlando. Florida is like one of the only areas that actually needs trains.
otherwise, yeah trains are big gay

>>17779735
NYC subways are famously empty during rush hour.

>Yes. And that's a good thing. Cars represent individual liberty, mass transit represents insectoid collectivism.

>>17779703

Public transportation is only viable in a homogeneous White society.

>>17779741
Nope

>>17779803

Suburbs are not “cities”.

>>17779806
So you live in the burbs and pretend you're "rural". Got it

>>17779703
those are filled with niggers and depressing little spic goblins.

The humble bicycle is the superior form of intercity travel
>approximately 3-4 times faster than walking for the same energy input
>can weave through traffic
>Doesn't use gasoline

>>17779843
>I'm scared of browns
No wonder Amerifats have been conquered

>>17779702 (OP)
American cities and pre WWII suburbs were built by rail transit.

>>17779992
Kind of. Suburbs actually started appearing as a result of mass adoption of the Safety Bicycle. People really underestimate just how important bicycles were to early 20th century infrastructure, they didn't require as much effort or effort to maintain as a horse and easily trippled your practical commuting distance, which lead to more and more sprawl beyond city centers.

>>17780009
Bicycles and electric powered transit evolved at roughly the same time and meshed well together

>>17779707
But Japan is literally more efficient than the US??

>>17780134
anon...
>>17779731

>>17780139
It's really funny seeing that graph because if you're a conductor and you're late you basically get fired in japan. It's so bad that some conductors have derailed their trains killing themselves and the people on board rather than face the consequences of being late

>>17779703
>Don't own car
>Government tells rail workers to not go to work
>Can't leave city
It's a lot harder to just ban people from driving trains than it is to blockade every single road into and out of an area. Also and more reasonably cars allow for flexibility, a train won't regularly service traffic between a town of 500 and a larger town of 5000, even if a train line exists between them (which is a big if) that train line might run a couple trains a day, meanwhile with a car you could drive to work in the next towm over whenever your schedule allows, not have to wait for a train or bus to head home, and decide to stop for groceries on the way home without needing to meaningfully modify your schedule.

If I drive and it takes exactly 24 minutes to get from my front door to my job than I can say "I'll leave at 5:34 and have two minutes to spare getting to work" meanwhile if I rely on mass transit I have to say "oh jeeze well the bus only stops there at 5:20 so I have to leave my house at 5:18 to get to the bus stop on time and then I'm stuck waiting at the office for 16 minutes before work starts, and the nearest bus from work to my home doesn't leave until 4:45 so I have to wait at the bus stop for 15 minutes after work."

>>17779813
Or he lives in the suburbs and realizes that calling Normal Illinois a city is stupid by every metric. If the suburb I lived in had a significantly developed subway system and it was free to use and had no crime and its stations were clean I'd still have no reason not to drive.

>>17779702 (OP)
What if you live in America and can't multitask to save your life?

>>17779703
I'm sure you have bigger fish to fry over there, Hans, than worrying about Americans and trains.

>>17779728
Pol Pot would agree

>>17779770
>"y-you're f-fat!"
I accept your concession

>>17779770
why do you want to force everyone onto the slow as shit crime filled train, faggot?
>>17779803
that's counting suburbs

>>17779813
the suburb I grew up in would be counted as a metro area but there were farms the next town over and it was 45 mins to the city
>>17779849
I fucking hate bikists, they slow down traffic

>>17779992
and then we got rid of it because cars proved to be superior tech
>>17780134
fuck no. nips just work retarded hours. go to /vt/. the japanese are the most inefficient workers ever
also the tokyo subway would violate US disability laws

>>17780256
pol pot sounds based

>>17779702 (OP)
>mode of transport 1
:)
>mode of transport 2
}:(

ITT: Ozempic

>>17780543
trains and buses are so slow and unpleasant they have to try to tax people to stop them from driving

>>17779730
Sounds like a shit public transit system. It takes me 35 minutes to go to work 6 miles away using public transit in London. That same journey would take me at least an hour by car.

>>17780892
how does it take you an hour to drive 6 miles?

>>17780892
how do you avoid getting stabbed on london's public transport

>>17780878
Making up things in your head isn't an arument.

>>17780963
paris, london and nyc all had to pass taxes against driving because driving was so much faster and more pleasant no one wanted to take the trains and buses

>>17780966
>sources cited:

>>17780973
google it. we both know if I post a modern link you will report it for politics. it was well reported in every one of those cities
driving is just the better form of travel

>>17779703
There is nothing americans despise more than helping their fellow man. "Fuck you, got mine" is their national ethos.

>>17780982
why would I want to help gun control advocates?

>>17780982
>Fellow man
>Niggers brought here to hoe tobacco fields
>Fellow man
>Mexicans illegally hopping the border for welfare
>Fellow man
>Opium addicted chinks dumped in the desert
>Fellow man
>Pajeets and mudslides
>Fellow man
>Germans and northern Europeans that fought a civil war against us
>Fellow man
>Irish that do nothing but try and turn the public pocket book into a paycheck that were brought here as slave labor
>Fellow man
>Italians that were brought here as slave labor that live in rat shit encrusted cardboard boxes
>All of these groups are more leftist that conservatives
>None of them have any racial identity or understand history
>Just a bunch of retarded bots waving in the next group of retarded slaves like them
Yeah it's a wonder why actual white people locked the war chest and kicked it off the boat

>>17780978
>google it
not an argument

>>17781080
not my job to educate you

It's funny how you fags idolize the past like the wild west because muh freedom but cars weren't even a thing, then defend cars with the same excuse.

>>17781101
It's because the other political side is, in general, pro trains and mass transport options so they need to be reflexively 100% against it first and them rationalize a why
this is just a sneak /pol/ thread

>>17781101
it's funny how leftists did nothing but complain about "robber baron" rail companies and try to destroy them and now complain about not having any leftist public transportation

>>17781106
trains fucking suck
>>17781101
with a car you can go anywhere you want

>>17781112
and having trains as an option doesn't prevent you from getting a car
in fact it would helps to reduce traffic and make driving a better experience

>>17781117
city planners specifically don't alleviate traffic because doing that means building more car infrastructure

>>17781117
trains cost me money in taxes for a slow shitty mode of transit. a mode so slow and shitty cities put taxes on driving because driving is better. also buses slow traffic

>>17780899
>your drive is more like 9 miles because you end up having to loop round in places to avoid the heaviest traffic areas
>even outside those areas traffic moves very slowly
>you're often driving on a one or two-lane road because most of the city was built before cars were a thing
>there are loads of lights and pedestrian crossings that slow things down
>pic related isn't even in the context of rush hour
>>17780955
Because I'm not a black teenage gang member

>>17781195
isn't english rail extremely expensive? like 50 bucks to get anywhere decent?

>>17781195
meanwhile in a first world country

>>17781201
>new jersey, a liverspot on the ass of the US is more affordable and faster than london
yikes

>>17780134
I hate Japan simping by people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
I've lived in Tokyo for 6 years. I rode the train and buses for everything for the first two and thank fuck I have a car now. Trains are slow as fuck, my commute is 1hr20min by train, 35 min by car.

In my car I have AC. I can actually sit down, I can put my bags and things down. I can take phone calls. I can stop anywhere I want for a water or s coffee, I can drive directly from my home, to my destination.

Trains are overcrowded and miserable. The AC barley works and you're in about 35°c of body heat alone in a car, ass to dick to 35 people every day. You don't get to sit down, there's 40+ high school kids taking all the seats and hand rails at any given time. It's 1hr20 minutes of standing. Can't really use your phone, no room, can't read a book, no room. Have to shuffle and get jostled around by a heaving mass every 5 minutes at each stop and if you're lucky scramble for a seat (good luck).
And that's on a train going OUT of the city at 7am. Any train in town, any time if the day? Absolute dogshit. Also have fun getting to your train stop and the 15-30 minute walk in the 98% humidity 40° weather half of the year, or in the rain when it comes down just about every other day, only to then walk another 15-30 minutes to your destination.

And that whole experience is easily 800-1200¥ ($6-$10) ONE WAY if you're lucky

Fuck that. Publicly transportation is nice as an option when you have time, are willing to spend, don't mind discomfort or just have a short trip to make. Any form of meaningful transportation is infinitely better by car, and btw every japanese has the same opinion and buy cars as soon as they possibly can, most are just too poor for it because the government here goes out of their way to make car ownership and expensive pain in the ass to FORCE public transpo income.

Same story as always: Public transportation is just cope for poorfags. Always has been

>>17781257
And that's Japan btw. Any other country you're now also adding all that to
>Public defecation
>Constant exposure to filth
>Constant crime, assault, theft
>Aggressive people in general
>Late trains, mechanical issues, coked out bus driver's
>Drunks, drugs, exposure to general bullshit especially TikTok retardation

I would never ride a bus in the US for as long as I live. I have unfortunately ridden trains regularly in DC, LA, and London. No thanks, give me my car keys.

>>17781257
>>17781267
None of that in Poland except for
>Late trains

>>17781206
London is the most expensive and congested part of the UK, why would New Jersey not be faster and more affordable? It's got 11 million people and is one of, if not the most visited cities in the world.

>>17781277
It doesnt get better leaving London. A ticket to NYC costs the same as a ticket to some run down 0 jobs northern city

>>17781206
>>17781277
nassau coliseum is on long island, about 31 of those 41 mins or 2 of those 2.35 hours are in nyc

>>17781109
>it's funny how leftists did nothing but complain about "robber baron" rail companies and try to destroy them and now complain about not having any leftist public transportation
I’m a train autiste and find this amusing. Much of the Populist and Progressive movement was built on fighting the rail barons and their economic and political power, but now for both libs and cons, trains are socialism on rails.
Trains don't have ideology. The fascists made them run on time, Communist China and capitalist Japan and Europe embrace high speed passenger rail, and the U.S. has a handfull of monopoly freight systems with halfass public passenger rail.
Lefty traintards are annoying but so are muh freedumb cartards who think driving 20 miles to Walmart for some frozen tendies makes them Jack Kerouac.

>>17781566
trains are shit and cities are gay

>>17781078
>>Germans and northern Europeans that fought a civil war against us

>>17781566
the entire point of vehicles is it destroyed the left's plan in the US to do what it did in europe and turn all the cities into a prison to extract revenue. Instead everybody took their tax revenue to the burbs. NYC in the 70's is a perfect example of this where they started going socialist and sunk the city to the point that landlords were burning their buildings and moving to florida. The US "dream" is a lie and our cities are occupied, but they can't go completely insane because they are beholden to the burbs which are the only people that keep the country moving. Cities in the US are where the slaves live

>>17779702 (OP)
I FUCKING hate parking.

>>17779702 (OP)
ogay bud I lige drains :DDDD

>>17781602
Grant wanted to kick the Jews out that lincoln had sent in his wake to steal all the crops and valuables from raided plantations. Grant was just a yes-man and died a peasants' death
>Rothschilds funded the south
Rothschilds supported the union and loaned them billions
>There was a Jew in the south
And there are a bunch of non Americans in the north

>>17779849
>can weave through traffic
Truly cyclists are the niggers of transportation.

>>17779702 (OP)
Why not have both? Instead of arguing over like we need ONE. You can have both

>>17781939
Cities aren't actually industrious anymore and most of the rail in cities are carrying low profit amazon and walmart deliveries

>>17781939
because I don't want to have to pay for trains with my tax money and because if you don't ban cars everyone will just drive because cars are so much better than trains and buses it's unreal

>>17781257
Shut the fuck up, you retarded mutt, your methods of transportation are inefficient compared to Japan

>>17781949
you sure are mad, third worlder. is it because you are too poor to afford a car?

>>17781948
Idk dude, a high speed train sounds like a good idea ontop of a car. As a texan i hate commuting in the texas triangle. If a 2 hour drive can turn into a 45 minute train ride thats nice IMO.

>>17781997
a 2 hour drive would be a 10 hour train ride
trains are slow as fuck

>>17782006
There are places in the UK that are hours apart by car and a half hour by train

>>17782016
fake news

>>17779702 (OP)
Yeah dude it's so liberating being stuck in traffic instead of getting where you want to go.

>>17779702 (OP)
no wonder why amerimutts have high obesity

meanwhile in japan and netherlands, it is safe and walkable enough for children to wander out on their own
hence pokemon

>>17779702 (OP)
we need to bring indian rickshaws to america

>>17782041
it's safe for kids to wander around in the suburbs and rural areas. the guys who made pokemon grew up in the boonies
>>17782032
driving is like 4 times faster than the train

>>17779702 (OP)
individual liberty, unless if you're a poorfag or disabled, then you have to either
>rely on some bus that comes every 90 minutes
>biking and either risk your bike stolen by a certain demographic or get hit by a car because no bike routes
>a $30 Uber ride or
>having to ask someone to drive you, which they can use the favor against you to their advantage

>>17782056
or under 16, whereas 6-year-old from dangerous third-world countries are allowed to wander out on their own

>>17781994
at least we can afford healthcare

>>17782060
why should we give healthcare to the poors?
>>17782056
bikes should be banned

>>17781994
Retard

>>17782080
you are too retarded to afford a car?

>>17782066
>bikes should be banned
lol fat

>>17782120
nah, bikists just slow down traffic and they are homosexuals, illegals and or alcoholics

>>17782124
Projection

>>17782134
meant for >>17782120

>>17782142
Fit people bike, unfit people don't. You are fat.

>>17779702 (OP)
public transit worked just fine until that bitch rosa parks got all uppity

>want to go somewhere in europe
Start walking
>want to go somewhere in america
Need to get a license, buy a car, keep it fueled, can only drive on roads

Which of these is truly free OP?

>>17779703
Look, I'd dearly love to be able to bike to work. My state swings between the low teens during the winter to the upper 90s during the summer but I'd still bike the ~10 miles to work year round if I could.

But Americans are insane genetic waste. If you try to bike on a public road, you WILL die, probably sooner than later. If you try to ride public transportation, you WILL be stabbed to death by some crackhead. I hate the stress and cost of upkeep having a car but there is really no alternative that doesn't involve an extreme sacrifice in personal safety.

Relying on a car sucks, I hate it, but it is literally a life or death choice. That might sound like hyperbole but that really is how things are here. A local professional cyclist was doing his training along the road I would have to take on my way to work, was hit by a car and killed. That's the kind of shit that keeps me in my car.

Cars are a form of corporate welfare that represents slavery. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they were nice when only a fifth of the population owned them, but not everyone. It's just another burden now.

>>17781871
Cope

>>17779712
>>17779806
>>17780524
>>17780253
>>17780528
if you don't have a private well and a septic tank, you live in a city. you can't self-ID as rural

>>17781112
>with a car you can go anywhere
*the government has built a road to
enjoy your government mandated travel options cucks. if you can't drive straight through a school playground you might as well be living in a communist dictatorship sharing toothbrushes with the whole commieblock

>>17782242
>But Americans are insane genetic waste. If you try to bike on a public road, you WILL die
Christ, I can already picture your pale skinny physique and tenor homosexual lisp behind the screen. How the fuck do you even manage to get out of bed in the morning without having a full blown panic attack just from existing? I'm shocked you lived long enough to be able to use this website without having committed suicide yet. I'm surprised you don't bleed monthly from your mangina.

>>17782242
I ride my bike in the road all the time, most drivers have eyes and can see you and give you ample distance and can move around you and it's not an issue at all.
>you WILL be stabbed to death by some crackhead.
Okay so a lot of things wrong with this sentence, pretty sure you're not going to get stabbed by some imaginary crackheads, pretty sure most crackheads on the street aren't even out to stab you anyways.
> I hate the stress and cost of upkeep having a car but there is really no alternative that doesn't involve an extreme sacrifice in personal safety.
This post has a lot of red flags. I think you might be suffering from some kind of mental disorder, maybe some kinda Schizotypal triggers or some stress disorder, you're not normal bro, please seek mental health of some kind. Actually, maybe try riding your bike more often, it's good for your mental health

>>17779702 (OP)
>>17779703

Americans love cars, love highways, in a very "nigger rich" capacity, it is easily their worst quality.
American (and to some extent Canadians) car owners worship the illusion of rugged individualism represented by vehicle ownership and the inherit display of wealth present in owning a vehicle, both at the expense of the community and as an attempt to materially separate themselves from the common man.

Car drivers go where the roads take them, but they don't decide where the roads are built or where they go, that's a decision made for them. Simple as.

>>17779731
>>17779739
>>17780139

The missing context is population density; the more people use public transit the longer commutes take.
In 2020 Japan's public transit system transported 21 billion passengers. In the same year Italy moved 1.8 billion passengers. More people create delays, and there isn't actually a way to circumvent this flaw unless you're willing to make public transit a deeply "anti-human" experience in favor of efficiency.
With that said: good public transit systems decrease car commutes by removing congestion and bad drivers.

>>17782641
>The missing context is population density; the more people use public transit the longer commutes take.
>In 2020 Japan's public transit system transported 21 billion passengers. In the same year Italy moved 1.8 billion passengers. More people create delays, and there isn't actually a way to circumvent this flaw unless you're willing to make public transit a deeply "anti-human" experience in favor of efficiency.
Just build more roads lmao
Seriously though, even in Japan people own cars, there is not a single metropolis on planet Earth where everyone just exclusively uses rail to get around, every single country on Earth has a car culture, because for all the faults and shortcomings of car-based infrastructure, personal vehicles remain the most robust form of transportation because they don't rely on a fixed schedule. It's really that simple

>>17782641
>Car drivers go where the roads take them, but they don't decide where the roads are built or where they go, that's a decision made for them. Simple as.
It's way easier and cheaper to build roads than rail lines, hence why there are always going to be more roads than rail lines, and roads give you quite a bit more flexibility as far as where you want to go since you can choose what intersection to turn at and what direction you want to turn, and this goes right up to the parking space of your destination. You're being very reductionist by saying this anon.

>>17779702 (OP)
How about... motorcycles?
>Don't get stuck in traffic
>Police can't catch your turbobusa because they're too slow
>Get supercar performance under 25 grand
>Can do wheelies

>>17779703
N

>Amerifats go to Japan
>start 'jakkin about how le heckin good Tokyo's mass transport system is good and how its le cleaner than the US

I propose coralling all Amerimutt posters on the net and placing them behind an internet firewall; a great wall if you will.

>>17782709
>die

>>17782152
lol no, fatty illegals and fatty drunks bike
>>17782226
you aren't allowed to leave your city

>>17782242
you aren't American, yuro cuck. keep your bike off the road, you are slowing traffic

>>17782611
my car can go off road
>>17782641
bikists and train riders only go where the government lets them and they live inna pod

>>17782641
>good public transit systems decrease car commutes by removing congestion and bad drivers.
there is no such thing as good public transit. it's why cities have to ban or tax cars, because driving is always better
>>17782709
any time I see someone on a motor cycle I hope they crash and die

>>17782777
banning all yuros and leafs from our internet seems based as fuck

If public transport is so bad, why don't you have a private jet?

>>17782852
cause I've only been on a plane like 8 times in my whole life and that includes going there and going back

>>17782098
You are too retarded to live.

>>17782832
Shut the fuck up

>>17781257
Yeah. Sure. Now imagine everyone that commute by train gets a car.

>>17779712
Cities can have trains and roads you know. the existence of trains in cities wouldnt negate the ability for cars to exist in rural places

>>17782622
it's literally automobile industry marketing
Or at least originally it is, plenty of Americans fall for it to the point where they plow money they don't have into cars they can't afford instead of just taking the fucking bus/train

>>17781096
do you know what the burden of proof is?

>>17783152
yes, its a piece of rhetoric used to justify existing power structures.

>>17782883
>>17782885
you are one angry, poor fat alcoholic who rides a bike because your drinking problem prevents you from driving
>>17782948
muh taxes
plus cities are trying to ban cars and city cucks are trying to ban suburbs

>>17783152
it's well reported and takes 2 seconds to google
>>17783069
buses and trains are so slow and generally unpleasant nyc and london had to tax cars because people still preferred to drive and paris banned cars for the nonrich because people preferred to drive
public transit is fucking ass

>>17783294
riding the train is over 3 times slower than just driving. plus in my car I have ac and my own music or lack of music and I'm not packed dick to ass with violent retards playing loud shitty music while its 200 degrees

>>17783297
I'm sure there are pros and cons
and I'm also sure there would be more pros and fewer cons to public transportation if we had designed our cities around them instead of cars

>>17783303
london and paris both needed anti car laws because people still preferred to drive. trains are slow and train riders are cocksuckers. there legit is no way to make intercity public transport not ass in the US due to disability laws. they need to stop every x number of blocks by law for the the olds and the cripples. like whenever someone talks about the tokyo subway system, it would be illegal in the US to have stations that far apart

>>17782006
that just mean amerifat trains are trash
look at jap trains; they are super fast and punctual

>>17783626
see>>17783328
>we can fix American transit by killing all the cripples and olds

>>17783646
the same cripples and olds can't drive a car because of you carfag shillers

>>17784623
cripples get their own parking spaces, retardo

>>17784631
In theory. In practice many places have crippled parking but shitty to no easy way to actually enter a place. And if all the handicapped parking is occupied in a busy location then you're fucked.

>>17783328
>they need to stop every x number of blocks by law for the the olds and the cripples
Not really an issue unless your streets are horribly designed.

>>17783193
>had to tax cars
are roads free? You've gotta control traffic somehow, and cars are for richfags so it makes sense to tax them
Trains have fares too

>>17784643
then ask the ada lawmakers to require more parking
>>17784646
nip stations are like 3 times as far apart as American ones due to the disability laws

>>17784648
they already have a gas tax. they added a sin tax explicitly to try to prevent people from driving because trains are just a terrible experience

>>17784653
>they added a sin tax explicitly to try to prevent people from driving because trains are just a terrible experience
You do know cars also got propped up way harder by the state ? That small incentive to use transit is TINY versus the amount of under the table hand jobs the automotive industry has gotten over the decades globally.

>>17784653
No it's because driving in cities is a terrible experience
I get that you're a ruralfag, but have you ever heard of "traffic"? You've gotta keep the number of cars down to keep it viable as a mode of transportation, they even called it a "congestion tax"

>>17784656
congestion taxes are explicitly sin taxes that are explicitly designed to price people out of driving.
trains are incredibly slow and are an incredibly bad rider experience.
you don't put a sin tax on driving if trains are remotely good
>>17784660
if driving was a terrible experience, people would take the train and they wouldn't need a sin tax on driving

>>17784662
people do take the train anon
growing up, my family owned a car for getting around the suburbs but rarely drove into Boston because it was such a pain in the ass between finding parking and traffic and one-way streets, was way better to take the T

>>17784670
people do not take the train, city cucks do. again, if trains were fast and enjoyable, they wouldn't need to put sin taxes on driving. trains are fucking terrible and the only benefit of mass transit is that you can ride it drunk

>>17784688
>he doesn't realize that you can drive drunk as well
post your jawline

>>17784688
If driving was enjoyable they wouldn't make you pay to ride the train

>>17784662
>trains are a bad rider experience

>>17784711
you clearly have a DUI
>>17784717
trains are massively subsidized and people still don't like riding them

>>17784725
cars are even more subsidized

>>17784719
>no, I love being stacked dick to ass with 100 other starangers in a metal tube with no climate control while some homeless man annoys everyone and some faggot plays terrible music and someone's smoking weed and there is an active assault going on
>>17784727
lol nope

>>17784728
>with no climate control while some homeless man annoys everyone and some faggot plays terrible music and someone's smoking weed and there is an active assault going on
This seems more like a problem with your particular city than with trains in general. Japanese trains are air conditioned and have none of these.
Even living in Boston, I've never smelled weed or witnessed an assault on a train, and while I've seen annoying people or bad music these were rare occurrences not an every trip thing (and cars have their problems too, such as traffic jams)

>>17784728
I guess we don't live in the same city.

>>17784740
>>17784748
that's nyc and cars are way faster than trains

>>17784750
Again, we don't live in the same city.
>faster
Yeah. But you can also relax while you get there.

>>17784754
>just relax
>ignore the fact it's 200 degrees
>one fag is smoking weed
>some guy is raping a dead body
>the smell
>that annoying homeless guy
>the loud music
>the dancers
>that faggot talking on the phone
>that homo with TB

>>17784750
the only times I've driven through NYC it was nightmare traffic, like "add an hour to your trip to Baltimore dealing with it" level traffic
is it really that much easier for locals or have things improved in the past few years? (though if they're adding a congestion tax that part sounds doubtful)

>>17784768
literally every time I've driven in nyc it was faster and more enjoyable than taking mass transit. the only issue is retards on the long island highway do like 10 under the speed limit

>>17779702 (OP)
Cities shouldn't be designed around cars. It's why americans are so fat, especially in the country - they refuse to walk more than 100ft.

People who bike to work are much happier with their commute than drivers, anyway, which I can speak to with experience. Driving made me want to kill myself, and retarded drivers would almost kill me regularly.

>>17781257
You can read, sleep, write, work, generally do productive things in a train. In a car you sit and stare forward and waste time, as well as risk death from all the retards around you, even if you drive perfectly

>>17784774
bikes should be banned for anyone over 18. bikists are scum who slow traffic
>>17784777
>ou can read, sleep, write, work, generally do productive things in a train.
lmao

>>17784780
>bikists are scum who slow traffic

that's an infrastructure problem from cities being designed for cars only, retard

>lmao

Those are all things I did when I used to ride the train to work. It was really nice, much better than driving

>>17784780
>lmao
nice argument mate

>>17784765
only in amerimutt

>>17779702 (OP)
>>17779703
Meh, we have at least 4 regions of this country -NYC Metro area, Boston Metro area, Chicago Metro area, LA Metro area -that are just as train filled as any country in Europe or Asia and just as large as let’s say Germany or the UK. We have passenger commuter trains if you go to the right spots.

>>17785330
>taking the LIRR
I'd rather take myself for a prostate exam.

>>17785336
>The public transport is Amerkka is so dangerous and crazy, you will be killed and raped just stepping foot on it! AHH IM GOING INSANE, SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
Meanwhile the commuter rails in America...

>>17785343
>they're stilling using the red and orange trains from the '70s
Jesus christ.
Last time I was on one, I found graffiti from the 1986.
I don't know who JR + ES are, but I hope they had a happy life.

>>17784623
>>17784754
>>17785325
Drive a hydrogen car, pussy

>>17783294
>pay and force sit with nigger

>>17784851
>that's an infrastructure problem
adding bike lanes slows traffic even more faggot. it takes lanes away from cars.
>It was really nice, much better than driving
fucking lmao
again, trains are such a shitty riding experience unless they are like commuter trains/buses from the suburbs that go directly from a park and ride to a city that people would rather drive than ride with train riders since they are so fucking annoying

>>17785323
because trains are loud, packed and full of anti social faggots who play loud shitty music or talk on the phone
>>17785325
America is the only first world country, troon

>>17785343
if nyc trains weren't shit, nyc wouldn't need a congestion tax
>>17785358
the bankers banned those because they couldn't control where people go like the electric cars

>>17785452
>adding bike lanes slows traffic even more faggot
Not really.
>it takes lanes away from cars.
Having more lanes has been shown to not increase traffic flow or lower commute times anon.

>again, trains are such a shitty riding experience
What shitty and purely planned out trains have you been riding. If a train has to be planned around shktty road infrastructure then of course its gon a be bad because the base road infrastructure is dogshit.

>>17785460
>if nyc trains weren't shit, nyc wouldn't need a congestion tax
There's nothing wrong with the trains.
The problem is the people who ride them.

>>17785455
Most arent unless your frame of reference is TikTok slop

>>17785461
>Not really.
yes really. canada did a study and it showed bike lanes slow traffic and now they are tearing them out and banning them
>Having more lanes has been shown to not increase traffic flow or lower commute times anon.
bullshit, source?
>What shitty and purely planned out trains have you been riding. If a train has to be planned around shktty road infrastructure then of course its gon a be bad because the base road infrastructure is dogshit.
no, trains are ass because they are slow and train riders are faggots

>>17785460
>if nyc trains weren't shit
They've been choked out of funding and were frequently prone to corruption scandals. Now the maintenence is being better funded but they have to go through the entire backlog of repairs and upkeep before they can fully focus on new constructions or lines

I just want to chime in here and say the only time I've ever ridden a train it broke down and I was stranded for like 11 hours

>>17785479
most are. go ride an nyc subway
>>17785468
>you can fix trains by banning train riders

>>17785484
nyc subways are way over funded and they are still ass and will always be as because they are slow and filled with nyc faggots

>>17785487
>>you can fix trains by banning train riders
You can fix trains by getting rid of the five boroughs.
...get rid of new jersey, too, for good measure.

>>17785482
>canada did a study and it showed bike lanes slow traffic
Which ones? Canada is a fuckign country of 34 million you legit retard.

>now they are tearing them out and banning them
You mean the ones Toronto that were intentionally badly made and designed that the mayor at the time intentionally pushed to do. All to pull off that classic "fuck shit up intentionally so you can use that as an excuse to not do your job" routine?

>bullshit, source?
Pretty much anytime major cities add another highway lane.

>trains are ass because they are slow and train riders are faggots
So you are this asshurt about it? Having better public transport means less people on the road which means better commute for those who actually do need to use key road lanes and infrastructure.

>>17785489
>nyc subways are way over funded
You mean actually getting proper budgets and maintenence financing? Turns out if you delay that sbit ling enough it all piles up down the line.

>trains are ass because they are slow and train riders are faggots
How is NYC triggering you this badly?

>>17785495
>You mean actually getting proper budgets and maintenence financing?
Public funding in NYC is through the roof, why the fuck do you think everything is so expensive in that city?

I swear I'm going to ride the Yamanote line tomorrow if this thread is still up and take a pic inside and you'll all see what the "amazing japanese transpo" system is like. I hope you enjoy being so jam packed into a hot, ac faltering, smelly, uncomfortable meatbox that you can't breathe or even get off at your stop sometimes

Pathetic . This website’s traffic has been declining for years and mods solution is to continue to harass IPs of legacy users . All for saying “niggerman” in reference a well-known 4chan copypasta meme, meanwhile ctrl “nigger” there is 6 other results itt and no bans. Or what is it?
Posting a webm of a train on a thread about trains is a troll post? Can you enlighten everyone how? Where is the trolling? Honestly that was an entirely serious response framed sarcastically. Glad every mod got hacked and leaked and was outed as the freaks, degenerates, glowies, and minorities of minorities everyone all ready knew they were.

>>17785493
>Which ones?
the doug ford one, you aids infected tranny retard
>You mean the ones Toronto that were intentionally badly made
100% of bike lanes are badly made, retardo
>Pretty much anytime major cities add another highway lane.
source?
>So you are this asshurt about it? Having better public transport means less people on the road which means better commute for those who actually do need to use key road lanes and infrastructure.
I shouldn't have to pay to subsidize public transit I don't use and you city cucks are trying to ban cars and guns

>>17785495
>You mean actually getting proper budgets
they've been over funded their entire existence and they've been shit for decades
>How is NYC triggering you this badly?
cities are ass
>>17785501
amazing japanese transport that literally doesn't even comply with US laws lol

>>17779702 (OP)
>Cars represent individual liberty, mass transit represents insectoid collectivism.
Then why do car-centric cities require socialistic big government subsidy to exist? Deregulating zoning and letting the free market sort itself out nets you Japan. High density, mixed use, private rail. In the US there are literal soviet councils in the form of HOAs violating private property rights.

>>17785555
cities like paris, nyc and london literally have to create laws to ban the nonrich from driving because driving is just that much better than taking public transit

>>17785553
I'm on your side dude public transpo is a meme and the country that is arguably the best at it, Japan, still fucking sucks ass compared to a car

>>17785558
Using a Pigouvian tax to deal with the physical constraint of congestion is several orders of magnitude more aligned with free market principles than zoning 85% of a city for SFH, using eminent domain to do Hugo Chavez tier nationalization of private homes and bulldozing them to rebuild cities for cars and massive spending of public revenue to subsidize it.

>>17785565
oh I know. I was saying you were pointing out how japan's trains are bad and not only are they bad, but they would still be illegal in the US
>>17785570
sin taxing cars is communist and evil and cities are shit and for homosexuals

>>17785581
>sin taxing cars is communist
It's a nanocommunism compared to the multiple teracommunisms you need to commit to create car-centric cities.

>>17785583
don't care. cities are ass. I am ideologically opposed to cities and living in the pod

>>17785330
Doesn't Los Angeles have a notorious lack of public transit?

>>17785591
Cool, can we privatize USPS and go full Roger Douglas on r*raloids to strip them of gibs?

>>17785599
idk who that is or what you are talking about

>>17785605
I'm talking about no more communist state-operated mail for rurals and ending agricultural subsidies. Stop being niggers living on the dole.

>>17785608
city cucks should be taxes into poverty and enslaved for suburb and rural chads

>>17782607
>Someone says they're suburban
>Hurr durr you might as well live in Brooklyn