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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:42:29 AM No.17782104
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Reading about it the US and CIA really had nothing to do with Pinochetโ€™s coup to overthrow Allende. Nixon and Kissinger were huge cheerleaders for him but the initiative, planning, and execution was entirely the Chilean military.

Why have leftists and Latin American leftists historically overemphasized US role in Latin American pushback towards communism?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:44:25 AM No.17782109
>>17782104 (OP)
Are you not aware of the concept of color revolutions?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:55:44 AM No.17782136
>>17782109
Yes, itโ€™s a term western leftists use to dismiss the agency of any non-NATO nationโ€™s military/people/institutions to genuinely reject their ideal path
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:36:59 AM No.17782213
>expecting sense out of leftists
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:45:59 AM No.17782231
>>17782213
Imagine being the leftist and hearing nothing from the army but a lot from the cia daily

Also op you won't find much on the official channels if you wish I can dust off the books
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:07:02 AM No.17782257
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Dunno how good your spanish or your translator is but I'll mention the juicy details

The new york times, march 7 1973, manifested clearly, that the interest of the north amerinacan monopolies and big multinational corporations, was a coup by armed way of the chilean government

Like this I have dozens if not hundred, newspaper articles official cia declarations you name it

Some days some comrade just stated like a prophet

This smell like cia coup
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:10:24 AM No.17782262
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Thank for your attention have a rare Fidel
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:30:07 AM No.17782301
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If no one mind me dumping I haven't seen this in a while this is the salvador allende archive some mexican edition I believe
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:31:55 AM No.17782304
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Allende and his famous drinking habit
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:33:51 AM No.17782308
>>17782104 (OP)
Leftists have been mindbroken by the fact their worldview requires the working class agree with them and side with them, but they just donโ€™t. So they have been forced to come up with a series of increasingly complex copes to explain this. The CIA is functionally a hyper competent Illuminati is a pretty big one
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:34:27 AM No.17782310
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Always building houses
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:39:53 AM No.17782318
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I will advance towars socialism in italy

Our peace and our democracy

The unity of the force operator and popular
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:43:33 AM No.17782322
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The old mantras
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:49:33 AM No.17782329
>>17782310
that's not a proper carpenter's hammer, what a fraud
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:50:10 AM No.17782331
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Typical poncho fidel
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:53:43 AM No.17782334
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>>17782329
He was a doctor not a carpenter by trade, but due to most of the fight back then was about housing solutions he spent a lot of time building houses for the lower class before being president
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:57:36 AM No.17782337
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Shoveling with a long coat...
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:03:42 AM No.17782345
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Here is the meat operation unitas

What the cia did who they talked and general william westmoreland
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:09:05 AM No.17782356
>>17782334
So his unskilled labor added how many homes. 0.02? Time he could have spent studying economics so he could be a more efficient administrator later, avoiding errors, troubleshooting problems, implementing new innovations, which would be far more effective. If he improved the efficiency of home building by even 1% it would be the equivalent of building 300 homes.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:09:48 AM No.17782360
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:10:52 AM No.17782363
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>>17782356
Built mine, you'll be surprised how good it is
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 3:50:57 AM No.17782417
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Here I was dealing with the cia everyday and their bomb Iran bullshit

And people claim they dindu nuffin
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:17:22 AM No.17782440
>>17782104 (OP)
>Why have leftists and Latin American leftists historically overemphasized US role in Latin American pushback towards communism?
Cause it's a convenient boogeyman. They don't have to admit their ideas and leaders were deeply unpopular if they can blame everything on CIA spooks.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:18:00 AM No.17782442
>>17782257
>>17782262
>>17782301
>>17782304
Thanks king. If you could go on about the details of the capital strike and economic terrorism directed towards Chile before the coup I'd be very happy. Also I've been long wondering how much did the post Pinochet socdems change policies.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:26:10 AM No.17782449
>>17782442
Ok the key factors are the press and what was called the edwards group, who got paid directly after a meeting with nixon officials, and the banks and retail is trickier, banks withold loans and money while devaluating the coin, the dictatorship in brazil made possible a strong redirection of products and resources to brazil so imports and exports moved foreign markets

I happen to have talked to Ozren Agnic who nationalized the bank of concepcion, he explained to me how easy it was for a bank with nothing but locals money to resupply an entire city
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:47:56 AM No.17782598
>>17782104 (OP)
This always bothered me too.
Of all revolutions military coups are the least likely to be supported from the outside. The military doesn't need help with setting up operational structure and logistics of a coup/revolution because they have both of these to do it themselves. They even operate with some degree of secrecy for national security reasons so if they want to conspire to overthrow any government there's very little to stop them.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:15:36 AM No.17782623
>>17782104 (OP)
>Why have leftists and Latin American leftists historically overemphasized US role in Latin American pushback towards communism?
It's true to large extent, they also mistook big corpos meddling with CIA actions which is understandable as they are often interwined
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:19:58 AM No.17782627
>>17782442
>capital strike and economic terrorism
This is a big factor normies overlook. The one time it actually happened to us (oil crisis) it threw our economy for a loop and basically killed the Keynesian economic order
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:28:58 AM No.17782636
>>17782104 (OP)
Allende was destroying Chile Venezuela style. The difference is that Venezuela got COLOMBIANED and the white population became a minority while Chile back then was a white/castizo country
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:34:59 AM No.17782645
>>17782136
western rightists love their color revolutions too.
These people share the same conspiritorial worldview, except it's the jews behind everything, not just the cia.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:38:52 AM No.17782648
What was Pinochet's ideology?
Did he even have any?
Was he really a fascist?
Did he belive in the doctrine and philosophy of fascism or did he only look to it's methods?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:49:21 AM No.17782657
>>17782648
Pinochet was just your typical Latin American Caudillo, no different from the others at the time like Banzer, Stroessner, Trujillo, Somoza and Torrijos. He had no real ideology other than keeping himself in power, the only difference is that he invited some Chicago economists to help fix the economy, rather than rely on the old developmentalist model.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:50:26 AM No.17782658
>>17782104 (OP)
Yeah, you got it right. I would also point to the fact that the US and CIA were cheerleaders for another coup like 2 or 3 months earlier that failed. The difference is a swing against Allende in the Chilean army as public order degraded (businesses used lockouts, some workers armed themselves, citizens set up neighborhood militias to patrol, etc.)
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:18:46 AM No.17782748
>>17782308
They are able to make entire diseases appear and target whomever they wish. At least, this is the explanation given by operation INFEKTION in the 1980s of HIV/AIDS for example. Roughly half to a third of black people in America still believe it today (not to mention other countries like in Africa) despite the active measure campaign being debunked by the opening of Soviet archives decades ago.

The other side of the coin is that promoting all of this makes the Americans appear to be an omnipotent and ever-present superpower.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 10:15:42 AM No.17782775
>>17782104 (OP)
>why have leftists and Latin American leftists historically overemphasized the US role in Latin American pushback towards communism.
We should clear out a few things. First we should break Latin America in two parts: South America and Central America. The CIA was a distant observer in the former, but very much an active agent in the latter. I'll stick to discussing South America as it is the case where the CIA is indeed not to blame for the coups.
Then we have to separate anti-American sentiments from accusations of CIA interference. Anti-American sentiment among South American leftists is a bit more complex than it might seem, and a bit hard to understand or explain. Largely because it's often expressed in choir by groups of people that might have different reasons to dislike America. Some of them see the US as the symbol of the capitalist system they want to destroy, others see the US as threatening big guy next door that Latin Americans should unite to beat, others dislike the American cultural empire. There are infinite reasons why different people become anti-American, and I can't summarise it eloquently. But it's about many people coming together against a common foe (or boogeyman) for particular reasons and writing a catch-all narrative around it.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 10:16:44 AM No.17782776
>>17782775
That being said, what I personally see is that South American leftists aren't really that interested in the CIA hypothesis, maybe with the exception of the country you mentioned. But even there, like everywhere else, the typical South American left-wing revisionist narrative is about a reactionary, landed, commodity exporting oligarchy that undermined democracy and paved the way for a military coup to sabotage social reforms and overall political turns to the left. They don't claim that the CIA destroyed their democracies, but rather that they economic elites did. While this explanation fails to acknowledge or give the due importance to the severe institutional deterioration all of these countries went through before the coups, it's saner and closer to reality than the CIA orchestrating everything to own the commies. The CIA hypothesis is preferred not by leftists in South America, but leftists in Europe and above all in North America. That, too, is the result of a combination of things.

It's normal for an American to see history from an American perspective and, in situations like this, overemphasize the negative role his nation might've played in the world. An American can be less interested in how South American dictatorships came to be and more in how his government supported dictatorships. That's fine. But I cannot help but feel like much of this comes from people being very opinionated over countries they have absolutely no knowledge about, and the Western vice of ignoring the agency and autonomy of other nations around the world. Even for progressive, left-leaning people, the idea that South Americans dug graves for themselves independently of the rest of the world sounds radical compared to the idea that they were victims, tools used by the great powers of the world in their grand strategy.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 11:03:10 AM No.17782805
>>17782104 (OP)
Because the "global south" as they call it have an internalized racial envy towards the north. A reactionary right reading of Franz Fanon will bring this aspect forward. Like the whole thing regarding Indian caste systems and whatnot as well.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:39:56 PM No.17783356
>>17782805
>why comes they be mad at us just cuz we be fucking with they economy and forcing foreign privatization on they industry?
>Shiiiyet, they must be hatin us cuz they jealous we white
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:54:43 PM No.17783454
>>17782805
This is the crucial factor as I see it. Other stuff is just incidental. The reason why stuff like Communism takes hold and spreads is in reaction to seeing the success of the United States.

Normal people hate the irrational feeling that they are somehow inferior, so many people retreat from reality to build a mental shell of propaganda to protect their inferiority complex. The truthful option is more painful. That's why these regimes gets support: there needs to be a propaganda arm. An official, state-funded narrative, inscribed on plaques and in museums that explains why things are a certain way. This whole phenomenon doesn't have much to do with the economy, that's just a pretext.

The sad thing is that most of us, those of us living in the light of truth here in the free world, want to help.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:09:52 PM No.17783474
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>>17782104 (OP)
>Why have leftists and Latin American leftists historically overemphasized US role in Latin American pushback towards communism?

Anon do you know who you're talking about?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:14:33 PM No.17783486
>>17783356
>why comes they be mad at us just cuz we be fucking with they economy and forcing foreign privatization on they industry?
Bullshit thirdie cope
>Shiiiyet, they must be hatin us cuz they jealous we white
True
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:23:53 PM No.17783497
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>>17783474
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:07:44 PM No.17783667
>>17782598
Check this>>17782360

It explains how not all of the armed forces were in favor of the coup, chilean democratic tradition wasn't so shallow, the coup required a hefty sum of dollars and foreign military intervention

>>17782657
He lasted more than most, long enough for those economists to stop using diapers and graduate from the prestigious Chicago bussiness school, who made Chicago the US most booming economy

>>17782805
This, is all about hating on whitey the CIA were the good guys I swear
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:24:31 PM No.17783683
>>17783474
Your pic reminds me of why HR companies all need to be liquidated
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:34:57 PM No.17783700
>>17783486
How to racially expose the CIA 101

Always remember kids they have no diversity
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 12:15:40 AM No.17783992
>>17782308
>Leftists have been mindbroken by the fact their worldview requires the working class agree with them and side with them, but they just donโ€™t.
This but unironically. Lefties are right about the common working class man despising out of touch elites and exploitative business practices but then become baffled when they find out that said working class man also hates rigid ideological theories, extreme social progressivism, and party doctrines.
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 12:22:36 AM No.17784004
>>17783992
And here I was thinking that what they really hate is how violent the state gets against social change