Were they telling people to "trust the science" back then?

>>17783777 (OP)
Yes and they were right because retards like you would actually benefit from a lobotomy and thus improve the board.

the guy who invented the lobotomy even won a nobel prize for it

Lobotomies were a fad treatment, not a common treatment. And they were only a fad between the late 40s and the early 50s.

>>17783777 (OP)
>bitch is annoying
>put an ice pick in her brain
>she is now less annoying
it worked

>>17783777 (OP)
Lobotomies actually work.
>>17783789
Good.

>>17783777 (OP)
Lobotomies were a miracle cure for severely mentally ill patients before the invention of anti-psychotics.

Lobotomies actually had an extremely high success rate

>>17783777 (OP)
So that they had a bad treatment decades to a century ago, that medical science eventually recognized wasn't very good, and stopped doing, is proof that we should not trust science? I don't think anyone claim scientists cant make mistakes or that our understanding of science doesn't improve over time. You have shone is that science is self correcting, which seems like a pretty good reason to put trust in it generally.

>>17783800
thanks for the advice.

>>17783777 (OP)
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_kM2MCOBM

>>17783792
Tell that to the people who had an ice pick stabbed into their heads, or the children who had their genitals removed from the "fad procedures" of the 2020s.

>>17783792
>trannies only make up 1% of the population, stop thinking about them so much. So what if we castrated some sixteen year old boys, how does this effect YOU PERSONALLY??

>>17784282
Lobotomies helped mentally ill people live a normal life, it's nothing like genital mutilation.

>>17784245
is that why its transphobia and bigotry to publish a study about "gender affirming" treatments that says anything other than uncritical fawning praise? is it anti science to simply publish an honest study that goes against the luxury belief du jour? trannoids had a nuclear meltdown over the cass report, which amounted to "stop chemically castrating children, it has irreversible life long effects"
I fully expect in 50 years people will look at tranny medicine the exact same way we look at lobotomies today except we'll have full receipts of retards screeching TRUST THE BASEDENCE about obviously harmful practices

>>17784245
>I don't think anyone claim scientists cant make mistakes
That's exactly what people are saying when they characterize all criticism as being anti-science and deplatform and censor research that contradicts the prevailing dogma.

>>17784340
>>17784338
Educated experts doing studies that over a period of time cast doubt on a prevailing position is a far cry from randos raising a stink because something goes against their intuition. Maybe you're right, and someday large parts of gender affirming care will be discontinued or more likely replaced with something better, but that is a question for experts working over years and decades. More than likely the quesiton hardly even effects you.

>>17784406
>More than likely the quesiton hardly even effects you.
>how does castrating children effect you PERSONALLY?
and the professional reconsideration has already happened in most of the world. only the US, with a medical establishment utterly controlled by for profit pharma corporations, is still pushing "gender affirming" treatments for minors

>>17783789
ill never take this retarded award seriously ever again, as if obama didnt already make it a laughing stock. might as well be a participation trophy

it produced immediate results to a population that was barely considered "human" to begin with.

>>17784410
>bombed mudslimes on autopilot and deported illegal spics
Obama was based as fuck. You're just seething because a nigger did more for his country than you, Cletus. Shouldn't you be in Iran right now clutching your bloody leg stumps?

>>17784408
That's cool and all anon but ultimately it's a question of time and judgement and your screeching isn't an argument

>>17784338
You're the one who sounds like they're having a meltdown m8.

>>17784332
Bullshit. There is very little evidence that any of them ended up positive. Most victims suffered severe and debilitating side effects. It was all based on unproven bullshit science that has since been rejected as a flawed experiment.

>>17784282
lobotomies worked

>>17784406
>>17784496
>>17784338
If it makes you faggots feel better, in a recent nyt poll like 76% of Americans asked said they don't want any tranny shit done to kids and of the remaining 24% more than half said no tranny shit for under 15. it's only like 10% who think we should troon out kids

>>17784453
obongo didn't deport anyone. he let in a ton of illegals, intentionally fucked the economy, sent money to the banks and jacked up the price of healthcare and tried to send more jobs to india and china

>>17784510
They still preform lobotomies today stupid nigger

>>17784524
So true, Ivan.

>>17784496
>why do you care so much? just let us mutilate children for profit chuddie

>>17784519
10% of Americans are borderline retarded with IQs at or below 70.

>>17784282
trans medicine is for teenagers, not children, and no one had their genitals removed without their consent

>>17784528
Where? North Korea?

>>17784524
>obongo didn't deport anyone
Is this what beaner Democrat voters tell themselves at night?

>>17784540
>trans medicine is for teenagers, not children
then why do trannoids screech about laws banning children from receiving "gender affirming" care? if its not happening, it shouldn't matter whether its illegal or not
> no one had their genitals removed without their consent
most american minors cannot consent to getting a fucking tattoo, how can they consent to getting castrated?

>>17784540
Its not medicine. It's poison that damages the human body.

>>17784547
Obama was the deporter in chief, then Trump stepped it up, then Biden stepped it up, now Trump is stepping it up even more
despite partisan sniping, the US government just gets more in more interested in regulating who can be in the country, in line with the general growth of the surveillance state

>>17784531
nah, I'm white and American, unlike you and obongo
>>17784540
we shouldn't be castrating minors

>>17784554
>t. John Hamburger from Colorado Oblast

>>17784553
>>17784547
brandon and obongo didn't deport any illegals. people read apprehensions at the boarder and pretend they are deportations when under dems they just let the illegals enter the country and stay in the country under catch and release

>>17784555
you bongs are so fucking annoying. most Americans hate obongo and most Americans hate troons

>>17784548
the laws ban teenagers too, no? I'm not aware of any US laws that set the age for gender affirming care (a term which applies to a variety of procedures, not just castration) below 18
>>17784554
if you're old enough to use it you're old enough to decide you don't want one

>>17784556
>>17784560
holy spic cope

>>17784544
America. It’s a last ditch thing if medications fail.

>>17784524
>obongo didn't deport anyone.
Are you retarded? He deported more than Trump. Do you ever look into anything on your own, or do you really believe the propaganda? Th media is absolutely full of shit. Stop listening to them. You are in a cult.

Obama (2009–2016): Total ~3.1 million ICE deportations (8 years)
2009: ~389,000

2010: ~392,000

2011: ~396,000

2012: ~409,000

2013: ~438,000

2014: ~414,000

2015: ~333,000

2016: ~344,000

Average per year: ~388,000

Trump (2017–2020): Total ~932,000 ICE deportations (4 years)
2017: ~226,000

2018: ~256,000

2019: ~269,000

2020: ~181,000

Average per year: ~233,000

>>17784562
>if you're old enough to use it you're old enough to decide you don't want one
so true
and if you're old enough to ask about sex you're old enough to have it

>>17784548
Because no laws are passed specifically targeting children and only children. The legal "controversy" is about adolescents.

>>17783777 (OP)
because lobotomy patience would show signs of improvement before flat out dying

>>17784568
You're an idiot.

The last recorded lobotomy in the U.S. was in 1967, performed by Walter Freeman, who was banned from operating after a patient died

>>17784578
and back then most people would have been "oh wow at least they improved that means we're moving in the right direction"

>>17784568
>i saw it in total recall therefore they still do it

>>17784562
we shouldn't be castrating minors, troon
>>17784567
I'm white as snow, fagito

>>17784571
those are border apprehensions, not deportations you gay, lying retard

>>17784574
>controversy
There is no controversy. Minors can't consent. There are just sadistic predators who want to mutilate and molest innocent children, and then there are upstanding citizens who are trying to stop the child predators.

>>17784589
still legal in my country, burger, and I see zero reason to think US policy is worth emulating
teenagers can get pregnant (and even need parental consent for abortions!) but we're supposed to be outraged if one wants to become sterile?

>>17784592
Below are the interior only statistics you absolute drooling idiot. Trump is full of shit, and obongo deported more, and the media is lying to you. You are in a cult. Trump is deporting less. Its all fake propaganda. Look at the actual data.

Obama (2009–2016): Total interior deportations ~1.3 million (8 years)
2009: ~237,941

2010: ~150,000

2011: ~224,000

2012: ~150,000

2013: ~133,551

2014: ~100,000

2015: ~70,000

2016: ~65,332

Average per year: ~162,500

Trump (2017–2020): Total interior deportations ~340,000 (4 years)
2017: ~105,000

2018: ~95,000

2019: ~85,000

2020: ~55,000

Average per year: ~85,000

>>17784607
haha great job outing yourself as a third worlder
I guess they love castrating children in your third world country

>>17784613
>no source
fake news. the kenyan didn't deport a single illegal, homo

>>17784615
>if you're not America or Russia, you're third world!
these bans are not commonplace internationally

>>17784617
Yeah exactly. Fake news. The news is lying and pretending like Trump is some big deporter. He likes the fake news, because that was his campaign message . He is embracing the lie. But that's all it is. A lie. He isn't even on par with obongo. Obongo has him beat.

>>17784618
if you aren't America, you are third world. America is the only first world country, russia is third world
>these bans are not commonplace internationally
why would I give a shit about what third world homosexual governments do?
>>17784622
then kenyan didn't deport a single illegal, post source

>>17784607
>>17784618
considering most of europe either already has is or is in the process of phasing out "gender affirming" treatments for minors, yeah you're a turdie
the actual science is shockingly in favor of not castrating children. if they want to do that to themselves after 18, that's a different conversation but for minors its pretty clearly not something that can be supported unless you're part of the cult

>>17784626
>source
Are you retarded? These are the official ICE and DHS numbers. Your massively coping. This is just sad. You're in a cult.

>>17784627
within some, not all, of EU countries it's public health agencies saying certain treatments (mostly puberty blockers) are a bad idea, not outright bans on all trans health care
and there's still Canada (you should know about this place, America borders it) and East Asia in the first world

>>17784632
>no link
cool, you made it up, you homosexual

>>17784644
Canada isn't first world. source on japan and south korea castrating kids?

>>17784647
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Japan#Healthcare (yeah wiki I know, but it links back to the Japanese government sources)
Japan is hormone therapy at 15 and sterilization at 18, which seems more reasonable than the US policy

>>17784645
Go look it up yourself you lazy baboon. I don't work for you, I'm just letting you know how stupid you are.

Lobotomies work. Since they stopped them, you have insane people everywhere, living on the streets, useless eaters, and they harass people and attack them for no reason. And we're supposed to feel fucking sorry for them? We had the cure to their illnesses and everything and now we let them run rampant. Bring back the lobotomy, and our streets will be CLEAN again, like after a spring rain. One day a rain will come and WASH AWAY THE SCUM!

>>17784654
hormone therapy should be banned for minors. honestly tranny shit should be banned for adults too
>>17784659
so no source? I knew you were a lying homosexual. you aren't American

>>17784661
yeah, honestly the eugenics fags in the early to mid 1900s were right

>>17784661
You should be lobotomized. Hating other people this much is a mental illness.
>but I'm not mentally ill! I'm sane!
this doctor says otherwise

>>17784690
So you like homeless insane people attacking you in the street? Kamala lost, by the way.

>>17784825
I've seen the mental health system from the inside.
It's just an alternative prison system that doesn't require trials or give the defendants any safeguards, and your "crime" can be as minor as making a normie uncomfortable.
Didn't vote for kopmala btw.

>>17783789
>a doctor with shitty glasses checks you out and says if you want to live he needs to cut off part of your brain
>you spent shitton of money on expensive treatment, rehabilitation, etc etc but at least you're alive you're happy
>15 years later someone checks the guy who diagnosed you and turns out he's blind and you weren't sick in the first place

That actually happened https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Jackson_Freeman_II
>Known for
>Popularizing the lobotomy
>Invention of the "ice pick" lobotomy
>Freeman was also known for being a bit of an oddball and he complemented his theatrical approach to demonstrating surgery by sporting a cane, goatee, and a wide-brimmed hat.
Following his development of the icepick lobotomy, Freeman began traveling across the country visiting mental institutions in his personal van, which he called the "lobotomobile."