His father-in-law and wife were both Epicureans and Caesar himself was famously accused publicly by Cicero of being one after supposedly professing his belief that no afterlife existed.

If you don't know what the Epicureans are they are essentially ancient atheists, or at least as close as you can get to it.

This certainly explains his tendency towards committing sacrilege whenever it was politically convenient.

>>17785470 (OP)
Caesar was accused of all kind of things. Who knows what's true or not.

>>17785470 (OP)
Epicureans swept Greece and Rome because his arguments were so solid that it was impossible to refute him. The very same thing has happened in the modern world with modern atheism. The reality is that atheism is objectively true and any honest discourse will always lead to the fact that atheism is true. This is why atheism ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS win in any open society or debate. There is no such thing as an intelligent or intellectually honest non-atheist.

From one of Caesar's speeches in the Senate:
> “Beyond that, there is neither pain nor pleasure in death. Once life has departed, all else is only the stuff of myth.”

>>17785475
This. Niggas were hurling baseless accusations in the Roman senate all the fucking time.

Damn, I was looking into how Christian historians would look back upon pre-Jesus atheists and apparently they are viewed with more hostility than fucking polytheists
>Atheism has often been seen in Christian tradition as a rebellion against natural law and reason—the denial of what is obvious in creation (cf. Romans 1:18–20).
>Lacking even the misdirected piety of the pagans, atheists were considered farther from the truth.
That's crazy bro. It's like you think the people before Jesus were worshipping demons but then you find someone who was not worshipping them and apparently it's still bad somehow.

>>17785480
lol. enjoy your societies being replaced by islam over the next 100 years.

>but atheists are winning, you can't behead me for apostasy!! ECK.

>>17785470 (OP)
This makes his role as Pontefix Maximus all the more funny

>>17785709
Modernity is going to destroy Islam too, Cletus

>>17785480
I wouldn't say its strictly atheism, but I think your right that all intelligent and powerful people in an open society eventually come too see the gods and religion as something of secondary importance.

>>17785480
They loved him because he told the truth

Religion is for the poorly educated and terminally online weirdos who want to feel as if they’re a part of something.

>>17785983
>terminally online weirdos
I see you in every thread

>>17785986
Yeah, but I’m le based(tm)

>>17785957
He did abuse the shit out of that office, which makes more sense from someone who wasn't pious.

The Epicureans were not atheist, atheism was developed during the Enlightenment and is unique to modernity.

However, views on death varied! The modern association with existentialist confrontation of death and atheism is actually just modern.

The typical materialism and scientism of atheism is retarded, and for those who have fell prey to our postmodern condition.

>>17786016
>The Epicureans were not atheist
They functionally were.
>atheism is unique to modernity
Multiple ancient Greek writers including Epicurus + the fucking Bible talk about atheists during their time what the fuck are you talking about lmao

>>17786016
>unique to modernity
I don't think it's correct to say that atheism of even the strongest sort is entirely unique to modernity. There are some purported clear examples from ancient history, with Diagoras of Melos being perhaps one of the earliest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagoras_of_Melos
>It was about that time [415 BC] that the poet Diagoras of Melos was proscribed for atheism, he having declared that the non-punishment of a certain act of iniquity proved that there were no gods.
>The poet Diagoras of Melos was perhaps the most famous atheist of the fifth century. Although he did not write about atheism, anecdotes about his unbelief suggest he was self-confident, almost teasing, and very public.
>a friend pointed out an expensive display of votive gifts and said, "You think the gods have no care for man? Why, you can see from all these votive pictures here how many people have escaped the fury of storms at sea by praying to the gods who have brought them safe to harbor." To which Diagoras replied, "Yes, indeed, but where are the pictures of all those who suffered shipwreck and perished in the waves?"

>>17785470 (OP)
>Be Caecar
> be an Epicurean
> not believe in any of that superstitious nonsense.
> Stupid Seer tells me to "beware the Ides of March"
> stupid seer, is no match for my enlightened atheism
> Ides of March come and I'm feeling extra smug
> go and boast about how the prophesy was false to that old hags face
> MFW I get stabbed to death moments later.

maybe he should and heeded the warning of the gods.

>>17786285
lel

>>17786285
But to be fair the Romans played the "OMENS TRIED TO WARN YOU ABOUT X THING" card like a million times,they absolutely loved this motif, and most occurrences of this are just made up after the fact.

>>17785470 (OP)
Religious skepticism was fairly normal in the Late Roman Republic. Caesar was not an atheist, that’s a crime punishable by death in the Roman world, he certainly wasn’t very religious though

>>17785470 (OP)
>First believe that God is a living being immortal and happy, according to the notion of a god indicated by the common sense of humankind; and so of him anything that is at agrees not with about him whatever may uphold both his happyness and his immortality. For truly there are gods, and knowledge of them is evident...
Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus

>>17786285
Christcucks...

>>17785470 (OP)
It also explains his predilection for sodomy

>>17786285
Reddit post.

>>17786556
>MFW I'm in 6% because homos are icky

>>17786632
Greentext is now reddit?

FFS. We need to get these children off this website. go play in the mud, kiddo.

>>17786657
>Greentext is now reddit?
Yes, NOW it's reddit.
And woahjaks are also reddit now.

>>17786556
Christianity is a homosexual religion.

>>17786497
???

>>17785480
>>17785974
Religion is a form of language.
>The biggest problem of civilization after gaining knowledge is implementing knowledge.

A problem is something actively worked on (not the meaning of life or mortality) and civilization is this technological society we live in. The biggest active problem of technological civilization, is implementing knowledge. That's because the past isn't ash, It's the source of all creation and all potential. It's the motive for every action. To change the world, you have to work within the past and the more alien your ideas are, the more violence (destruction and new creation) it will take to impose them.

Enter language, the ultimate in creation and destruction. Language is how we connect advanced sectors of culture with less advanced, trading and adapting thought patterns, refining minds to communicate at a higher level. It starts over every generation, but language and meaning are still our best tools for understanding (and surpassing) the past . . . WITHOUT direct tyranny, which is so much deadlier in a world of billions.

Most people think language is just phonics and alphabet and grammar, but that's not true. Just as words communicate literal concepts, the lexicon of ideas grows bigger and deeper over time. Interaction of minds using better and better words creates a more sophisticated concept. Things like consciousness, intelligence, and God emerge from this process, ideas about ideas. That brings us to religion, a form of communication that calls your current degenerated existence back to something pure and true within the world. The truth is key -- all of these words and ideas exist for a reason. Many, many, many people are overwhelmed by meaning, consciousness, intelligence, or the real demands of a technological world. Those people all really need Jesus, for real.

When Mark Antony tried to place a diadem on his head in front of a crowd, Caesar responded:
>Jupiter alone of the Romans is king
Who knows if he really meant this.

>>17786882
Marcus Antonius was also completely naked when he did that because he was partaking in the Lupercalia rites. Not an important detail but I think its funny.

>>17786991
no wonder kaiser got the ick

>>17785969
Majority atheist countries will stop accepting refugees and immigrants from majority Muslim nations?

>>17787177
There is an undercurrent of sentiment in the ex-Muslim community that
>hey dude I became an atheist due to the internet
therefore all Islam is doomed.

Personally I think it will be more resilient, sure people will leave religions, but others will join. The online atheist brand is so toxic that even real honest to God atheists who think they KNOW there ain't no heckin' God will subterfuge and claim to be merely agnostic.

Funny how an atheist influencer putting a fruit in his butt, Sam Harris being insanely anti-Trump, Christopher Hitchens being a neocon warmonger, Dawkins capitulating on biology to trans activists, all of this has damaged the brand quite badly to those in the know.

>>17785470 (OP)
Epicureans weren't really atheists, in fact a lot of the philosophy is based off the uncaring nature of metaphysical entities and is more concerned with virtue than it is with what may or may not have governed the world. The Romans and people of the Mediterranean were genuinely highly superstitious people, they also lacked a clear pantheon, and they also had regular Atheists. Epicurean thought, much like Stoicism, has little to do with religion and more to do with how to act at any given station in society. People make this same mistake with Nietzsche, essentially assuming that his work is an ultimate refutation of religion when in fact that is a soundbite to his much larger discussion.

>>17786497
There's also a passage where he says the gods are numerical and mental projections so idk about that

>>17786882
And all the Romans the crowd went
>WOOOOWWWW CAESAR IS SO HUMBLE AND PIOUS WOOOOWWWWW
and Caesar went
>Retards ate it right up.

>>17785470 (OP)
Here's an interesting little paper.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/28D1D903EBF977C9641B84338DD18570/9781009281393c5_72-86.pdf/caesar_the_epicurean_a_matter_of_life_and_death.pdf

he can't be an atheist, since Divus Iulius was himself a god.