Why do atheists despise traditional family values so much? Is it because they fear what they don't have?

>>17786030 (OP)
Traditional families existed in pagan Europe before christfags invaded

The traditional family isn’t some apolitical ideal—it’s the primary mechanism by which the state reproduces itself, both biologically and ideologically. From a systems perspective, the nuclear family conditions individuals to accept hierarchy (parent over child, husband over wife), duty over desire, and loyalty to inherited norms—all traits mirrored in obedience to the state. “Family values” are not neutral; they’re state values in miniature, training people to internalize authority and reproduce it without question. So when atheists or critics challenge the sanctity of the traditional family, it’s not because they "fear what they don’t have,” but because they see how it functions as a soft indoctrination pipeline that manufactures compliant citizens under the guise of moral order.

>>17786039
then "christfags" upheld and improved family values until the 1960s when atheists took over, now atheists and "pagans", a millennia disconnected from the last European pagans, stand side by side against christ, what a well substantiated theorem you have, m'gentlesir

>>17786039
Exactly. Traditional families weren’t invented by Christianity—they were co-opted. Pre-Christian Europe had strong kin-based structures, but they were embedded in organic tribal customs, not imposed theological hierarchies. Christianity didn’t create the family; it centralized and moralized it, turning it into a vehicle for obedience and state-aligned conformity. So when people defend “traditional family values” as if they’re Christian, they’re just repeating the Romanized version designed to serve empire, not the older, rooted systems that actually sustained communities.

>>17786044
That’s a cute rewrite of history, but it doesn’t hold up. Christianity didn’t “improve” family values—it absorbed older traditions and rebranded them under church authority, turning family into a tool of control rather than a bond of kin and tribe. The order it enforced was obedience to Rome and later the crown—not some moral gold standard. What you call decline after the 1960s was just the collapse of that imposed system once people had the freedom to question it. And the irony? It’s not atheists and “pagans” teaming up out of confusion—it’s people waking up to the fact that your Christ was welded to empire from the start.

>>17786044
His point is so shit you laughably failed to refute it.

>>17786030 (OP)
We don't despise family values, dumbass. I'm more for "traditional family values" than anyone I know and I'm hardcore atheist.

That's just what fox news tells you.

We just don't hate homosexuals, nor is it every other thought on our minds (really OP, just suck that cock and stop worrying about it).

Nor do we feel gays/trans/whatever should be excluded from everyday life because they don't wanna suck the zombie carpenter's dick.

When you Christ cattle are trying to subjugate and ostracize everything "different", than we feel obliged to troll you primitives and shove it in your face.

Hence all the rainbow flags and pro-LGBT trolling. Sure, I believe strongly in family rights, but I also believe gays should have rights too. I know that's hard thing to comprehend for shitwit primitives too hung up on bronze age superstition to understand modern reality.

>>17786042
ah, so instead of having wholesome trad families we should have single mothers, deadbeat fathers, trannies and below replacement birth rates until latinos, muslims and other low IQ yet fecund groups take over, to stick it to the "state", brilliant idea, and when daddy is long dead and you are in a nursing home, senile and getting beaten every day by your jamaican caretaker I'm sure you will look back at your pictures of your furbabies and think "this was a life well lived"

>>17786044
You LITERALLY believe that all humans came from Adam and Eve’s children and grandchildren having incestious sex with each other. How’s that family values? Why did Yahweh create a world where human survival depended on incest?

>>17786053
You're not defending tradition—you’re fantasizing about collapse to scare people back into obedience. The irony is that the very system you think you're upholding has already failed: it outsourced its values to the market, gutted communities, and now props itself up with demographic panic and cartoonish doomer threats. You act like “wholesome trad families” were some sacred constant, but most of them were held together by economic necessity, religious fear, and social shame—not virtue.

What you’re really mourning is the loss of control. You don’t care about family—you care about hierarchy. You invoke "Latinos" and "Muslims" not out of concern, but because you need an enemy to blame for a civilization that rotted from the inside out. You don’t want strong families, you want obedient ones. And when the empire finally dies, it won’t be because people loved their pets or doubted old dogmas—it’ll be because it ran out of truth and could only rule by fear.

>>17786053
>until latinos, other low IQ yet fecund groups

Guess who the majority of your fellow Christians are. You’re in for a rude awakening when you get to heaven and it’s 95% African/Latino.

>>17786052
>I am for traditional family values AND for the spread of intestinal parasites, chud!

>>17786067
I'm sure this makes a lot of sense when you're high on Jesus, but what the fuck are you on about?

>>17786071
>but what the fuck are you on about?
That you're a retarded cuck modernist who supports the flag cult.

>>17786076
Christians throughout history literally cut off their own dicks and sliced off their breasts in the name of God. This wasn't some rare occurrence - medieval monks, priests, and religious nuts regularly mutilated their genitals as acts of devotion. Even famous church figures like Origen castrated himself. Entire religious sects like the Skoptsy made cutting off sexual organs a central practice. Church leaders usually condemned it when they found out, but it kept happening anyway across different time periods and regions.

They'll scream that God made you perfect and you shouldn't change your body, conveniently forgetting that their own religious ancestors were hacking off body parts left and right for Jesus. When you bring up this history, they'll flat-out deny it ever happened or claim it was super rare, even though it's well-documented.

>>17786076
>flag cult.

Dude, this may come as a shock to you, being fag-obsessed, but I literally never think about gay people, nor do I go out of my way to "support" them.

I just feel like they should have the same rights as everyone else.

I'm pretty sure anyone who thinks about the "flag cult" as much as you fantasizes about gay shit nonstop. You hate externally what you hate about yourself.

Like I said earlier, just suck that cock and get over it. It actually would be far more healthy.

>>17786045
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>>17786050
Actual pagans 1000+ years ago were pretty trad and wholesome, but marriages were still ad-hoc affairs. For example cuckoldry was common among the pagans and Christians put an end to that. Also you are not actual pagans.

>jealousy was unknown in that country, and that women stayed with men of their own free will, and left them whenever they wanted to
>t. al-Gazal

These are the 2 main points of my post, but I guess I have to spell it out for you rather than put them in humorous jest format.

>>17786114
No one is pretending to be an exact replica of a 9th-century pagan. That’s not the point. The point is that pagan traditions had a connection to nature, tribe, and organic life—something Christianity crushed and replaced with foreign metaphysics and guilt-based social engineering. People reaching back to those roots aren’t roleplaying—they're rejecting a system that demanded obedience over vitality.

You talk like Christianity elevated Europe, but all it did was flatten it—turning tribes into subjects, lore into heresy, and lived meaning into doctrine. You say pagans were “lost,” but they had stories, gods, cycles, and strength. You had submission and shame. What you’re defending isn’t some moral high ground—it’s a collapsed system still pretending to be holy while serving the same power structures it always has. You’re not keeping the faith—you’re guarding its grave.

>>17786114
Without the bloodshed, the Norse religion makes no sense.

While, I'm sure there's nowhere on earth that would tolerate the New Asatru sacrificing humans, I think, if they wish to do things properly, they could still do animals.

But it would have to be done similar to how voodoo practitioners do. In which the animal is actually slaughtered for food, but still done in the ways intended for animal sacrifice to the gods.

Field dress animal.
Hang from oak tree near Norse ritual hall.
Take down, cook, and eat.
???
Profit!

They do some shit like that, then I could consider it a bit authentic (or as authentic as you're gonna get in modern society).

But all it is right now, is just a LARP.

If they're too cowardly to shed blood, even it's just slaughtering animals for food in reality; they're no true offspring of the Nordic faith.

>>17786030 (OP)
Most people who are dedicated atheists are so because either they had a terrible experience with organized religion or the religious in the past, or they live such immoral lives that the only way they can feel safe and/or justified is if they assert there is no spiritual aspect of life.
Otherwise there'd be no good reason to be an atheist instead of agnostic, or spiritual but not religious.

In both cases, this causes atheists to hate family values and traditional morality. Either out of a hatred of religion, or because they need to convince themselves it isn't a good thing they'd want.

>>17786136
>You’re not keeping the faith—you’re guarding its grave.

Dude, that was an actual slam dunk of eloquence. If you came up with that, you should feel proud...

.... but the long hyphens indicate to me that may have been AI.

Your post was a rapid barrage of extremely eloquent truth bombs and I envy your oratory.

>>17786159
The irony is that this post accidentally exposes exactly what’s wrong with religion: it frames dissent as brokenness, trauma, or immorality. That’s classic psychological abuse—anyone who walks away is labeled wounded, sinful, or bitter, instead of someone who simply saw through the manipulation. Religion doesn’t offer people meaning—it demands submission, then blames you if you flinch. This isn’t morality; it’s gaslighting in holy robes.

And notice how "traditional morality" is never described—just assumed. Why? Because it’s less about values and more about control. You’re not supposed to ask questions; you're supposed to obey and pass that obedience down as "family values." If people walk away from that, maybe it’s not because they’re broken or evil—maybe they’re finally healthy enough to stop justifying systems that hurt them. What OP calls rebellion is often just recovery.

>>17786167
Appreciate it. Sometimes you just gotta say it how it is, no fluff. Whether it sounds slick or not, facts don’t need extra polish.

>>17786044
Jesus says to put him and his dad before your family

>>17786179
Jesus telling you to put him and his dad before your family wasn’t some warm fuzzy message—it was a challenge to existing power structures. But modern Christians? They’ve flipped the script completely. Instead of being rebels against empire like Jesus was, they’ve become cheerleaders for the very state that crucified him. They bow to governments, swear allegiance to flags, and defend the system that silenced the man who called out corruption and oppression. They don’t follow Jesus—they follow the leash the empire hands them. The ultimate irony: worshipping a rebel while serving the rulers who killed him.

>>17786167
Whoever this is, is fucking cooking the religionfags ITT

>>17786192
Glad someone sees it. They built their whole worldview on not being questioned.”

>>17786030 (OP)
They're gay

>>17786039
It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that period the ancient world was divided between the systems of philosophy and the worship of idols.

>>17787159
ugly building, mid babe