When did you grow out of the anti-Hitler and anti-NSDAP propaganda phase and realize that they were the good guys? For me it was around 2014.

>>17789630 (OP)
wow. so edgy.

>>17789630 (OP)
>le entry level contrarianism
German Empire > Nazi Germany and also you're trans

>>17789630 (OP)
What's funny is I did go through a brief /pol/tard phase for a couple of years thinking Hitler and the Nazis were just mischaracterized vanguards of their people and all that, but then I grew out of it when I realized that it was also entirely possible and more likely that Hitler was not mischaracterized and was in fact a massive retard that lead his country into the ground over some dubious notion of ethnonationalism that they themselves could not even properly define and that the Holocaust was indeed a series of crimes against humanity that gradually came to fruition and worsened as extremist attitudes became more normalized under a fascist regime and there was never any possible way to justify them, and every single time /pol/ "noticed" something involving Jews it was just a case of apophenia as Jews simply existing is not a conspiracy, then I started noticing that half of all /pol/ schizographs contained either dubious claims or in some cases outright lies and I slowly became deprogrammed from their cult

>>17789630 (OP)
>When did you grow out of the anti-Hitler and anti-NSDAP propaganda phase
When I realized that the Allies were even more racist, which is a good thing.
>and realize that they were the good guys?
They were socialist trannies. Socialists are never the good guys.

>>17789630 (OP)
>Lets the Rothschilds go when he captured one
Yeah no, Hitler was a fraud like almost every 20th century “revolutionary”.

>>17789684
>Gasses 6 million jews
>YOU LET ONE GO!!!!
You people are impossible to satisfy

>>17789630 (OP)
>When did you grow out of the anti-Hitler and anti-NSDAP propaganda phase
Never had one.

>>17789630 (OP)
You are at your baby-first step of just noticing that the mainstream opinion is an oversimplification.
Hopefully you have enough living brain cells left to soon also notice that oversimplification doesn't have to mean falsification; which is exactly what happens in case of these psychos.

>>17789918
cont. On the other hand - since you are a cultist for ten years already then you are probably a lost cause kek.

>>17789662
Jews are just unfairly scapegoated due to them being more successful than goyim cattle

>>17789630 (OP)
Every pro-Hitler argument that you fags make relies on the assumption that the person you're speaking to has some emotional investment in the holocaust. Without invoking the lolocaust, all your pro-Hitler arguments basically just boil down to
>Germany should've won because..I just personally like Germany

>>17789630 (OP)
You are not even as edgy as you think you are. Le good Germans who dindu nuffin and were just caught by the circumstances is a part of public discourse since 1948 "The Young Lions" kek

>>17789630 (OP)
2006, when I had a shitty Jewish 9th grade English teacher.

>>17789662
>Jews simply existing is not a conspiracy
But they are still jews, so they still act like jews, and thus /pol/ survives, because the jews can't stop their filthy behavior

>>17789684
>>17789716
The Rothschilds are the jewest of the jews, they are turbo-jews. If you let one of those fuckers go, then you're probably working for the jews. Look up the word "holocaust". The 6 million jews who died in the holocaust were a ritual sacrifice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)

The far right are buffoons who dont realize that fascism is not traditionalist, it is futurist. Hitler didnt want to go back to the past, he wanted to burn everything to the ground and build a new order. the far right are too concerned with culture war and only single out Jews for the moral crimes of capital. fascism died after 1945, anything after that is just performative larping or art. the elite are not fascists, they are capitalist swine. some guy marching and cosplaying a soldier from the 1930s is meaningless. the elite do not fear these organized larpers, they fear the lone wolf, the assassin. besides, most organized politics of the extreme are crawling with feds.

>>17789662
Kinda how I see it as well.
Jews are no different from most minorities/marginalized groups in the west, be it immigrants, homosexuals, women etc. All of these categories are disporportionately left leaning in their political views and jews are no different. The reason we 'notice' jews more is becaue they are more influential because they are simply more successful. It's more likely that Spielmann owns the business than Mohammed or Karen or mr.Queer, but nevertheless, they are all more likely to be socialists than conservatives in their respective society.

While I hate LBGT and mass immigration etc, I find it reasonable to accept the fact that it's the result of governmnet trying to avoid a catastrophic budget deficit from the low birthrates that always follows whenever quality of life reaches a certain point. Even hardline nationalist and racial aware states like Japan, Korea and China are forced to accept a demographic change by importing SEA immigrants because all other efforts to raise birthrates has failed, and the government are more concerned with making the numbers match than accepting social and economic chaos for the sake of ideology.

The average /pol/ Hitler fanboy I believe are deep down aware that the arguments to redeem Hitler doesnt make sense when tested in a debate (because it's made from a false premise), but they exepect me to roll with it anyway because of the hatred for the modern society. While I do resent modern society, I am not going to abandon reason and logic in my love for history, and subscribe to flawed arguments simply to give Hitler 'the win'.

>>17789918
Most Hitler fanboys became that because they noticed that the narrative on ww2 is heavily distorted by post-war propaganda which often oversimplify the conflict and the perception of allies and Germany. Their videos like Greatest Story Never Told and Europa: Last Battle, and now Zoomer Historian etc, all rely on telling less-known facts that has been swept under the rug for the sake of convience to the narrative that Germany was evil and allies were good.
The viewer now sees this, and because one lie is revealed, they begin to wonder whether everything was a lie, and so they begin to unconditionally accept everything they're told by these 'documentaries'. Indeed, every single video from Zoomer Historian opens up by telling their viewer "not to overthink it", i.e abandon your critical thinking and let me tell you tell you what is and what isnt.
That is by definition propaganda.

So while it's true that allies invaded neutral Iran and Iceland for the same reason Germany invaded the Caucasus and Denmark respectively, and it's true that the Hunger Plan in the east mirrors the British Bengal famine (local population starve to feed the motherland in wartime), that Poland took Zolzie during the Sudeten crisis etc. It still does not redeem the ideological crimes of the nazi-regime of both starting the war and the mass-killing of minorities.
Just because they (the documentaries) threw you off with these 'less-known facts' about the allies, doesnt suddenly mean that everything they are going to tell you will be true: That Churchill had dictatorial power to simply force Britain to wage war, that Czechia asked Hitler to take them, that Germany was baited into attacking Poland, and finally, that the holocaust didnt happen.

>>17790174
Its not reasonable at all, governments are elected to take care of the population, not replace them when they have few kids, as if they rule just an economic zone and numbers. Its also antidemocratic since no one ever voted for replacement migration. And even when people vote against it, it keeps on going.
Naziism isnt the solution, morality and common sense is(Christianity).

>>17790226
>governments are elected to take care of the population
Avoiding social and economic collapse is the pragmatic position of taking care of the state and the people.

>not replace them when they have few kids
The people replace themselves by not having children. The government actually spends quite a lot of effort to educate the people that they need to have more children.

>Its also antidemocratic since no one ever voted for replacement migration
Except we have elections all the time and voters are perfectly aware which parties are for and against.
It is often white voters and white politicians who are the most vehement spokesmen for these policies.

>And even when people vote against it, it keeps on going.
Because it's the only solution. Like I said, even states like Japan who tried everything, did not manage to reverse it.
90% of the anons here will never father children, and if you dont, then you are part of the problem.

>>17790249
>The government actually spends quite a lot of effort to educate the people that they need to have more children
This does NOT happen. Throughout my entire education there was not a single instance of this happening. You must take your meds. They don't even educate you on the social benefits of having children. Europe and East Asia are both run by incompetent swine

>>17789630 (OP)
If you're American then calling yourself a Nazi or a commie is just cringe. It's a safe edgy position that means nothing to people who were never invaded by either.

>>17790226
>Its also antidemocratic since no one ever voted for replacement migration. And even when people vote against it
If any nation had to do national voting on single issues 99% of every legislation would be rejected because the voter can't disseminate enough to know cause and effect from any political change, just admit you're racist don't try to play moral by using "muh democratic principles"

>>17790344
>anon is shilling for suicidal mass immigration and admitting that the Western empire is not a democracy in the same post
lol
>If any nation had to do national voting on single issues 99% of every legislation would be rejected because the voter can't disseminate enough to know cause and effect from any political change
The "people" who push destructive legislation are corrupt and retarded cogs in a machine who fundamentally don't understand human nature.

>>17789633
>>17789660
>>17789662
and what is your ethnic background?

>>17789946
how about Germany should have won because they have less AIDs than Eastern Europe?

>>17790414
/his/ is definitely Whiter than /pol/ is
The resident communist and POC posters of /his/ are exceptions

>>17789662
is it schizophrenia to point out jews are determining American foreign policy against the wishes of the democratically elected sitting president of the United States of America?
>>17789665
>Hitler wasnt racist enough
explain
>socialism bad
oh its a boomer.
>>17789684
>>17790115
it wasnt even a real Rothschild it was an Austrian clerk with the same last name who was ransomed.
>NOOO THEY DIDNT MURDER AN INNOCENT MAN
why is this bad?
Its not in the Aryan character to murder innocents.
>>17789918
its not really a babystep, there isnt necessarily some kind of opinion tree people need to go down.
Its just objectively true, the Central European autocrats were not the bad guys of WWII.

>>17790422
That meetup was in 2017, mind you (2017 was 8 years ago)

>>17789630 (OP)
What makes them the good guys?

>>17789630 (OP)
the day I failed my exams

>>17790443
Thou shalt not bear false witness, Jew.

>>17789630 (OP)
Hitler believed that the German people deserved to lose and be destroyed for losing WW2
So to be pro Hitler is to endorse everything that happened to Germans during and after WW2

>>17790197
It ultimately comes down to the failing of the education system being taken advantage of by shameless grifters pawning off lesser known history as "secret truths".

>>17790430
>What makes them the good guys?
Basically, there are a bunch of young guys in Europe and North America at the moment who want their own Nation states, love the appearance of blonde people, and have had bad experiences with black people before (or they might have just looked at average IQ/SAT scores or violent crime rates by race), so then they become Nazis because they're not politically creative enough. They always try to "rehabilitate" Hitler and the Nazis, so then they swallow revisionist propaganda, and regurgitate this revisionist 'history' wherever they can.
>Hitler was a good guy who dindu nuffin wrong
>Watch Europa the last battle
>6 million? More like 271k
And they genuinely believe this, as well.
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#auschwitzplaque

>>17790444
I am a pure Aryan man (Iranian)

>>17790450
You do realise that public education cannot pander to your obsession on ww2 just because you've overstudied it out of personal interests.

The media is the main culprit in the distortion of ww2 to normies. An over-focus on America in media is what leads most normies to believe that Germany was winning until D-day.
Normies are starting to get a more nuanced picture now because social media and Youtubers offering more than Hollywood and EA Games previously did.

While not technically wrong they're definitely not the good guys. Nobody were the good guys. It was all a game

The media and schools give a cartoon version of hitler and that cartoon version of hitler is attractive to some people
Also they will say
white/european nationalism equals nazism
and so some people (often burgers) will then think if they support white/european nationalism then they should support hitler
Their support for hitler comes from the anti hitler propaganda and not anything hitler himself said or represented
and the nazis had cool uniforms

>>17790485
*technically wrong conceptually not wrong

>>17789630 (OP)
On this topic I will say this, I am researching National Socialism with all the time I'm not working right now and I do know a little of the subject now.
I don't really agree with what the nazis did in terms of invading/annexation independent nations, committing genocide, waging a war of extermination, etc, etc. Everyone already knows that's the case almost all would consider it wrong.

However, I believe that Hitler's belief that struggle is the meaning of life, you don't have to do much digging to find this. The fact that "My Struggle" is the name of his memior and the number of times the word is mentioned is evidence enough. It's sort of the belief of Darwinism that nature is in a constant battle with itself. Why do these terms like "Natural Selection" and "Survival of the Fittest" exist? And would terms like "Sexual Conquest" exist. It is clear to me the battle of nature isn't over until your genes survive.

And by survive, I mean develop into adulthood and pass on yours and their genes again. If you are a terrible parent, your genes won't survive, I have witnessed this first hand. While I was waiting by a stop light I saw a mother and her son approaching the opposite side of the crossing. The son went out onto the road alone as a car was approaching and almost got hit but the car stopped fast enough. If you have zero control of your child, you are an awful parent and your children may not survive, nature won't care.

Also, I sort of think it was inevitable that a man like Hitler would rise to power in Germany, Europe or even the US. all people are products of their time and Hitler was no different. In the decades prior to the rise of National Socialism, there were all these ideas that mainly all manifested in National Socialism that worked to organise these ideas within it. Ideas like, Nordicism, German Occultism, Mysticism, Antisemitism, Aryanism, the Volkisch movement, Eugenics etc etc.

>>17790479
>You do realise that public education cannot pander to your obsession on ww2 just because you've overstudied it out of personal interests.
Obviously. A school curriculum needs to cover a breadth of subjects and it's not as if surface level covering of WW2 is the issue, it's that schools aren't teaching students well enough give them a healthy amount of skepticism to not fall prey to these grifters.

>>17790414
White American. You are almost certainly a spic or pajeet.

>>17790444
I don't like jews or nazis. The 14 year old /pol/beaner mind cannot comprehend this.

>>17790506
>White American
>dislikes Hitler
>immediately goes to spic or pajeet
hmmm, this could be a leftist but I think its a BAPtard, so jewish?
Are you jewish?
Its kind of ironic considering EVERY israeli spy captured in Iran was a jeet.

>>17790511
if you dislike jews then there is zero reason to dislike the Nazis, they didnt actually do anything wrong, they were run of the mill European autocrats.
Its just very weird that you have a hyper-fixation in Hitler over say Napoleon or Caesar or Charlemagne.
If you need to tell people you dislike Hitler while ignoring these others who did the same things you criticize Hitler for, well, you come across as biased which means you are likely jewish.

>>17790513
>y-you're a leftist!
>n-no you're a jew
>O-or maybe you're a...
Nazism isn't right wing.

>>17790513
You haven't talked to many actual white people have you? nobody likes spics, nobody likes italians, nobody likes any sort of ethnic unless they're the most straight edge no bullshit people you've ever met.

>>17790517
>they didnt actually do anything wrong
They killed millions of their own people because they couldn't own up to the fact that they inherent ideology was bogus. Also Nazis killed plenty of non jew dissidents, just because the yellow star is the primary talking point doesn't mean there aren't other victims.

>if you dislike jews then there is zero reason to dislike the Nazis
Retarded /pol/tranny

>>17790424
>socialism bad
>oh its a boomer.
Not an argument. Nazism isnt right wing. Socialism isn't right wing. Collectivism isn't right wing. Seizing private assets and nationalizing them isn't right wing.

(You) are the only leftist kike faggot here.

>>17790513
>>17790517
>there are two types of people in the world
>people who suck Hitler's dick
>black jewish leftist homosexuals

>>17790143
>the far right are buffoons
off to a great start
>fascism is not traditionalist
no one ever said or thought it was on the right, the only people who think this are shitlibs and conservatives (conservatives arent far right despite what slopmedia tells you).
>burn everything to the ground
Except he had a deep reverence for Germanic culture and Germanic history extending even beyond Germany, as well as a reverence for the classical world, an entirely civilization to that which Germany belonged.
>culture war
The culture war is a very low level form of engagement and the masses are generally low level people so obviously culture war will be the largest portion of the 'right'.
>moral crimes of capital
its not capital that rescinded morality laws, it was capital that produced morality laws like the Hays code and the Comstock laws.
These provisions reinforced and strengthened the social fabric while jewish moral decay had a corrosive effect on the social fabric.

how did you not know this? This is a level 1 redpill that everyone took in 2012?

>anything after is performative
Fascist regimes that existed prior to 1945 continued to exist after 1945, specifically those of Greece, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey.
>the elite are not fascists
obviously
>they are capitalist
sort of but not really, they are jewish. Capitalism itself isnt le bad, White people made capitalism work for centuries, only when jews took power from Whites did we see Marx's predictions come true, it is almost as if the jewish lens recognized the jewish flaws in jewish capitalism.
That is what we would expect to see.
The Far Right has predictive power in a way the left does not regarding what we would expect to see about jews.
Marx and "the Far Right" have this unique overlap which is totally lost on other 'factions'.
>the elite fears the lone wolf but not the marchers
uh no, we know what they are afraid of, they are afraid of military coups with popular support, lone wolves never accomplish anything.

>>17790174
>redeem Hitler
what is this fixation on "redeeming" Hitler? aside from the anti-Hitler gang being pajeets or poles (both R1a but lets not go there).

No one is trying to redeem Hitler, you only see it this way because Hitler has been unfairly and unjustly slandered, this is not only an affront to Hitler but importantly these are just lies, we should not have our historical framework which explains our current situation in politics, ethics, and legislation as a lie.
We should not seek to build a future on a foundation of lies.
If Hitler is the central figure of the 1900s and this era is defining at least in part the 2000s, we should at the very least get the facts right.
>expect me to roll with it
who? No one cares about you, you seem like a fucking retard.
>abandon reason and logic in my love for history
Then why do you believe a false history which is easily disproven?

What Hitler said about the jews was correct.
Hitler was right about the jews.
Hitler was right about England.
Hitler was right about the USSR.
Hitler was right about America.
You do not need to be a national socialist to admit Hitler was objectively speaking correct in his assessment of his time and place and future predictions.

>>17790197
>unconditionally accept
They never actually do this save for in the case of primary education.
>ie critical thinking
He is saying do not read too much into these baseline facts so you do not go off the deep end into thinking the holocaust never happened and jews didnt exist in Europe.
You would know this if you werent a shitlib, instead you have this feminine maiden's tale type fear of le nazi telling you not to think.
>The Caucasus
this wasnt a country.
>Denmark
This was strategically necessary in a way that Iceland was not.
Its also not an argument anyone is making, no one is saying Germany was perfectly moral and made zero hard decisions they did what liberals would have done.
No one is saying that.
What is being said is the calculations of the Germans were more moral than those of the British and certainly more than those of the USSR and United States. While none of these countries were perfect, Germany was the least aggressive and least evil of all of them, we can especially see this in how these countries turned out.
>ideological crimes
there it is, you still believe the hoax, the myths, the post war slanders.
>starting the war
They didnt, they mobilized after Poland and only invaded Poland after Poland invaded Danzig, furthermore the Nazis seem to be the only ones who actually wanted to end the war going as far as rolling back every victory they had taken solely in the name of peace.
>mass killing of minorities
The Red Army is not a minority
The Armija Krajowa is not a minority

ALL RELIABLE accounts we have of German conduct demonstrate a moral superiority over every major power at the time.
>Churchill
he destroyed the peace movement and would not even make his demands for peace known.
>Czechia
yes they DID ask Hitler to join the Reich.
>Poland
Poland DID violate the sovereignty of Danzig, a country Germany guaranteed.
>holocaust
There is zero evidence gas chambers were used as a form of mass execution - this is holocaust denial.

>>17790249
>Because it's the only solution. Like I said, even states like Japan who tried everything, did not manage to reverse it.
>90% of the anons here will never father children, and if you dont, then you are part of the problem.
half the people already have kids.
>NOOOOO HECKIN GREEN LINE
Let it go down.
Society survived The Black Death, The Mongol Horde, Both World Wars.

Society CAN NOT SURVIVE AND NEVER HAS SURVIVED ETHNIC REPLACEMENT

>>17790297
Then why do you care so much?
>>17790344
>just admit youre racist
why? So you can say "you deserve to go extinct"

Either everyone gets to be racist or no one gets to be racist.
Just admit you're anti White.

If you are fine with browns colonizing Whites today, like Whites did to browns yesteryear, then you are must admit you are fine with both, including you are fine with Whites colonizing browns in the future should the tables ever turn (which they will).

>>17790581
>no one gets to be racist
Correct. But you'll still argue against this because you don't actually care about White people. You just hate browns.

>>17790458
The largest "Nazi" movement is America First which isnt National Socialist.
>want their own nations
like everyone except for shitlibs who prefer space rocks over their own family (you know the study im talking about)
>love blonde people
I think they just love and appreciate themselves, White excellence is a statement of fact, what is wrong with a people loving who they are?
Nothing.
Youre just anti White.
>bad experiences with black people
generally no, which is why its so easy to pick out shitlibs, because (You) genuinely would hate someone or some group you had a bad experience with (e.g. all the reddit stories about hating minorities for voting for Zognald, hating blacks for being anti-trans, hating hispanics for being socially conservative).
(You) actually are driven by hatred and you project this onto others.

We dont want blacks in our country because blacks are underperformers, they dont want to be in our country, they dont want to be around us, they are here because the stuff is free.
We dont hate them, we want them somewhere else.
I dont hate my dog but I dont let her in bed with me.
>rehabilitate
Rehabilitate?
Why do you think getting the facts correct is a rehabilitation of Hitler?
It is important to get the facts correct about Hitler especially because Hitler has been the vector of attack against White people and White folkways for decades.
>this is like Hitler
>youre a nazi
>literally Hitler
how many times have we heard this?
Too many.
>Hitler dindu nuffin
no one says this
>Europa the last battle
Nick Fuentes himself said this a shitty documentary filled with inaccuracies and not worth watching.
I agree.
>271k
Why does this matter to (You)? it is because if we go by reliable data on the holocaust it removes the moral currency organized jewry has.
If there was no great and terrible moral crime against world jewry, we do not need to grit our teeth and tolerate organized jewry raping our country to death, we do a little holocausting of our own.

>>17790479
>>17790503
If Hitler is the foundational Axis of Western morality then yes schools need to cover WWII meticulously and in extreme detail, perhaps an entire 8 months dedicated to the subject in 10th or 11th grade history or civics.

>17790593
Why do leftists type up these walls of seethe like anyone is going to read them?

>>17790499
>nazis did in terms of invading/annexation independent nations, committing genocide, waging a war of extermination,
they never did these though.
Poles waged the largest illegal war in human history then called every uninformed soldier shot, caught, or killed as a civilian.

Poland literally had a war crimes trial for the Germans who destroyed the Polish tank division which was operating during the Warsaw uprising.
A fucking tank division was considered a civilian element and was therefore a warcrime for the Germans to destroy those tanks.

You do not hate Slavs enough.
Poles cluster right on top of Russians, Poles are close to Russians than Ukrainians are.
These are not Europeans, we need to be okay with how many of them died.
They had no problem with exterminating the Vlachs, Magyars, Sarmatians, Goths, Scythians, Eastern Balts, Finns, and Ugrics in their lands, they only cry foul when someone hits back.

>>17790519
We dont care about labels.
(You) do because lefties these days almost exclusively wage language war.
Its why you guys always lose.
>>17790522
I am White, 90% of my friends are White. my closest friends are 100% White.
>nobody likes spics
some do
>italians
most if not all do, I have only seen banter against Italians never genuine hatred, except for leftists who hate Italians for being White.
>nobody likes ethnics
half the Whites in America like ethnics too much.
>>17790523
>killed millions of their own people
Except they didnt. Germany wasnt the one flying those bombers or oppressing Germans.
>ideology
what ideology? Whats the national socialist kanon? Where are their policies laid out? What meeting recorded all national socialist policies and then implemented them and stuck to them with rigid discipline????
None, there are none, it never happened.

There is no national socialist ideology you fucking retard. They were doing what they thought best at the time and continually adapting.
Its like calling Monarchism an ideology. There's no ideology to monarchism, the king can steer the country in any direction based on anything, thats not ideology.
We see the same thing in National Socialist Germany.
Not at all similar to the USSR which had very strict ideological rails.
>nazis killed plenty of non-jew dissidents
how many? a million? by hand?
Give us a number and means.
>other victims
Every regime has victims.
it is baked in, a major power does something, anything, people will die, that is just a fact.
However Germany aligned themselves with what is good and just and overtly tried to avoid unnecessary deaths or excessive deaths despite the extraordinary pressure they were under.

>>17789660
This. Hitler hated Christ

>>17790526
>I bombed Germany now Germany is bombing me how could this be happening
Why are they like this?
>ohhh uhhhh Germany bombed Dutch troops in Rotterdam and 1 (one) Polish journalist claimed they killed 100 people in Wielun that means we need to escalate to hitting German cities with our heavy bombers on behalf of these people who are unrelated to our broader war effort
riveting.

Just admit it, England was in the wrong. If they didnt want to be bombed they shouldnt have escalated.
If they wanted mere retaliation (which is silly to retaliate on behalf of Poland) then they should have used light aircraft like the Germans did, not mass carpet bombing campaigns from heavy bombers with napalm munitions.

>>17790584
Except, Whites gave up their racial politics for decades, Whites still dont practice racial politics for the most part, yet non-Whites are so racially oriented they will justify the murder of children solely because it was done to a race they didnt like by a race they did like.

Theres a lot of non-Whites you need to have anti-racist marches against.
There are a lot of black people you need to cancel.
There are a lot of La Raza demonstrations you need to counter protest.

You dont, because you dont care about anti-Racism, you care about being anti-White.

>>17790600
I know you read them.

>>17790631
>yet non-Whites are so racially oriented they will justify the murder of children solely because it was done to a race they didnt like by a race they did like.
What

>>17790640
Someone didn't hear of Austin Metcalf

>>17790424
>is it schizophrenia to point out jews are determining American foreign policy against the wishes of the democratically elected sitting president of the United States of America?
Equating Judaism with Israel is something only Zionists (philo or anti-Semitic) sought to do.

>>17789630 (OP)
As soon as I was born.

>>17790619
>everybody likes spics
>everybody likes italians
wake the fuck up loser lol, you can't be a nazi and like sicilian garbage, you can't be a nazi and like 75% indio subhumans

>>17789630 (OP)
>When did you grow out of the anti-Hitler and anti-NSDAP propaganda phase and realize that they were the good guys
I will always not be an edgy self-loathing chud because I grew up in a stable family with both my parents who love me, and received a great education with STEM as well as arts and humanities.

>>17790422
>all those browns LARPing as white supremacists who would get themselves gassed first if they ever got their way (they won't but it's still amazing how far cognitive dissonance + attention seeking can go)
At least one or two feminazis in the Huff Post room may not suffer from mental illness lol

>>17789630 (OP)
Working for a major bank and realizing that modern neoliberal central banker economics is just fiscal equivalent of flat earth theory.

>>17789946
Nothing to do with that. Its just that as soon as Germans ditched the retarded central banking, they almost instantly generated an economic miracle that rivals that of post-war Japan.

>>17789662
>and that the Holocaust was indeed a series of crimes against humanity that gradually came to fruition and worsened as extremist attitudes became more normalized under a fascist regime
Except that there is unironically no evidence of this.

>>17790865
>In 1942, Nazi Germany forced the Greek national bank to provide an interest-free loan of 476 million Reichsmarks to finance the occupation and military operations in Greece. This loan was never repaid, and Greece continues to pursue claims for its restitution.
>The Nazis utilized Mefo bills, a form of government-backed promissory notes, to finance rearmament while concealing the true scale of their spending from the public and potential lenders.
>Most industrialists who backed Hitler and funded the NSDAP had their assets seized or outright stolen from them and nationalized
The German economic miracle was basically just maxing out credit card and then shooting the debt collector. Nazism is for niggers. You are a nigger.

>>17790865
The Nazi economic miracle is a complete myth, the economy was already recovering under the Weimar Republic and the Nazis pursued completely unsustainable military spending, an economy that would have imploded if they didn't loot the areas the conquered.

>>17789630 (OP)
you've been an edgy retard for 10 years?
most of us outgrew that after like 2 or 3

>>17790865
> Ripping off international finance that's responsible for spreading wars and poverty is morally baaaaad
Haha, no its not.
Empathizing with faceless financial institutions is peak slave mentality.
> This loan was never repaid, and Greece continues to pursue claims for its restitution.
Germany spent more money on Greece in tourist beers alone.

>>17790902
Was replying to >>17790874 muh bad:

>>17790888
>completely unsustainable military spending
Myth, they spent less then UK or USA.
>an economy that would have imploded if they didn't loot the areas the conquered.
Also myth, they had civilian economy until 1942.

>>17789633
>>17790042
>>17790297
>>17790740
>>17790890
>edgy
Why do you neo-morality types of people say this? Where do you think you are?

>>17790625
This. WW2 was started by degenerate fat retard Churchill and President Hotwheels.

At first I loved how based my country was for siding with Hitler in the Crusade against Judeo-Bolshevism.
Then I learned a bit more about how the Nazis burned half of my country when she decided to pull out of the suicide pact and actually try to save herself.
I also contemplated more about how my country was the Soviet Union's bitch for over 50 years and how undesirable that was.
And I asked myself why the fuck would I want it to have been Germany's bitch instead?
This was around 2022.

>>17790914
>neo-morality
nigger its you who are literally falling for 80 year old extremist propaganda

>>17790625
Germany were the first to target civilians.
Name a single British raid on Germany that resulted in more than 200 dead, before (or during) the Blitz.

The Blitz resulted in 20-30.000 deaths, overwhelming majority were civilians. No raid Britain did before that even remotely comes close to that number.
Ergo, Germany removed the bar for dropping bombs on civilians.

Show me a single bombing done by Britain before or during the Blitz, and I might consider changing my mind on this one, but you've never managed to do this.

>>17790933
It only happened because Germany signed off Finland to the Soviets by the stroke of a pen in 1939.

Ask the spamming amerimutt nazifag by what right did Germany have to control Finland

>>17790914
Your entire schtick is being a moralfag over what you arbitrarily label, "degeneracy". Let me guess, you're a retarded American who thinks Nationalism Socialist ideology is:
>LOLNIGGERS TONGUE MY ANUS HEIL SATAN

>>17790952
He is American.

>>17790948
Makes you wonder why the fuck would any non-German want to associate with German ultranationalists.

>>17790943
ya where does that come from?
germany was winning the war early and openly bragging about their plans to force britain to her knees by blockading and bombing civilians

>>17789662
>I did go through a brief /pol/tard phase for a couple of years thinking Hitler and the Nazis were just mischaracterized vanguards of their people and all that, but then I grew out of it when I realized that it was also entirely possible and more likely that Hitler was not mischaracterized and was in fact a massive retard
I think one thing which can lead to this is trying to resolve a contradiction between Hitler's evil, villainous popular image with the fact that he had a lot of support in Germany from ordinary people who felt a sense of pride in Hitler. Well, obviously there were reasons why Hitler was an attractive figure, and actually a romantic one in a country with a strong tradition of romanticism. And then another aspect is the idea of Hitler fighting powerful enemies and nearly coming out on top. You'll see them say "but he fought the ~whole world~." Woah man. This is attractive to young men. It's like fighting a dragon. It's romantic.

>the Holocaust was indeed a series of crimes against humanity that gradually came to fruition and worsened as extremist attitudes became more normalized under a fascist regime
People don't burn hot all the time. It's not psychologically sustainable to be a fanatical hater 24/7. But what happens is those attitudes get drummed into people over and over again until it becomes normalized.

>I started noticing that half of all /pol/ schizographs contained either dubious claims or in some cases outright lies and I slowly became deprogrammed from their cult
Antisemitism isn't really about the "Jews" but about the antisemite and what the Jew represents, and there's a lot of psychological projection involved. Ask an antisemite to define the Jew. What they are doing is describing themselves.

>>17790948
Finland was Britain's ally in the runup to the war so it was England's responsibility to protect her from the Russians. But British love Slavic rapists so they weren't much help.
Finland was free to ally with Germany at any point, and they chose to do so in 1941. If Germany won the war, Finland would have gained back all the land stolen by Slavs and more

does anyone have that meme of the /pol/tard getting books thrown at him and kicked out of /his/ calling everyone a tranny?

>>17790934
> extremist
That word again.
There is no such thing as "extremism". Nor was NSDAP actually extreme. Anti-semitism was as popular in Poland and France as it was in 30s German Reich, while most of Hitler's policies were mostly centrist.

>>17790943
German Blitz was response to British air raids.

>>17790980
/pol/ just represents what majority of zoomers and millennials think, anon.

>>17791011
Grim.

>>17790865
>ditched the retarded central banking
But they didn't. The Third Reich had a Central Bank.

>>17790143
>The far right are buffoons who dont realize that fascism is not traditionalist, it is futurist. Hitler didnt want to go back to the past, he wanted to burn everything to the ground and build a new order.
I think it was contradictory because you're right, but it was also about restoring something that had been lost as well. I see it as a radical reaction to the onrush of modernity, democracy, and secularism (like how one can now freely choose what to believe). The Nazis seemed to believe this was causing civilization to collapse, but out of that collapse would come a revival of the German spirit like a phoenix reborn from the fire. Nazism was a purification movement (purification of the race) and also an ersatz religion. You see something that echoes this in radical Islamic ideologies an attempt to purify the religion in reaction to traditional Islam struggling to adapt to the modern world. But in fact, even Islamic societies are not as Islamic as they used to be.

It's like a reaction to the "death of God." People lost a certain metaphysical canopy that ordered their lives and societies and which provided meaning to them. The rapid change occurring in Europe at that time along with the shattering experience of World War I tore that canopy open, which was frightening, and they fled from the responsibilites the new modern world was demanding of them into the arms of Hitler, who promised to build a new canopy in the place of the old one and give them a sense of meaning and purpose back. But there is no canopy and ultimately it's up to us to define our own values. The modern credo is like "think for yourself." But that's hard and it hurts and it's painful. It'd be much nicer if we could just empty our minds and worship something:
https://youtu.be/oYZjNdKH6s8

>>17790993
>German Blitz was response to British air raids.
Air raids that strictly only targeted German industry and resulted in near-zero civilian casualties.

Germans respons was to bomb English civilians.

Again, give me a single raid pre-blitz or during the blitz that resulted in even 1000 deaths at the lowest. There are none. The Germans sowed the wind with the Blitz and then reaped the wirldwind.
But the bombing of civilians had already happened in Poland and Netherlands, but we're supposed to exclude that.

>>17790993
And it was completely out of proportion to British military raids.
Though to be fair. Germany had already opened Pandora's box by razing Wielun and Warsaw and Rotterdam.

>>17790625
>not mass carpet bombing campaigns from heavy bombers with napalm munitions
Name a single instance of this happening before the Blitz

>>17791019
Hitler thought the British would agree to a peace settlement after the fall of France which is why he was outraged they kept bombing German cities. He told them he would firebomb London if they continued and gave them a couple weeks to reconsider their choice of actions. Altogether fairly generous I'd say

>>17790979
It's funny how you nazifags completely deny that Barbarossa was pre-planned in other discussions when we debate if Barbarossa was a pre-emptive strike or not, or if Germany would still have lost the war for invading the USSR (funded by USA) even if UK lets Germany take Poland.

Now you're arguing that Barbarossa was pre-planned as the Ribbentrop pact was signed.

Nazifags actually dont have any real position, their arguments are always reactionary to nay-say any evidence that puts Hitler in a bad light. Thus your position is never coherent.
It's pathetic honestly.

So again, you always complain that Britain had no right to come between Germany and Poland/Czechia, but what right did Germany have to just sign away Finland to the communists in 1939?

>>17791035
>Hitler said this
>Hitler said that

The world doesnt circle around Hitler. Thats the main flaw of your argument. That everyone is just supposed to correct themselves to what Hitler says and what is most convenient for Hitler.


Seems like you dont actually have any real argument in this debate so I'm fairly confident that the consensus remains that the Germans targeted civilians first. Maybe you should re-watch your Bitchute Zoomer propaganda videos again.

>>17791044
Hitler knew there would eventually be war with Russia, in fact he knew that as early as writing Mein Kampf.
He gave the Finns the opportunity to be his ally in the 1930s, they spurned him and allied with the British. Why should Germans have died to protect a British ally? Why can't Britain defend its own allies from the Slavs?
Once Finland became a German ally, they were aided in the war effort against Russia. But Germany is only going to aid those who are German allies

>>17791056
>allied with the British
Which alliance treaty between Finland and Britain are you refering to?

And why must everyone do what Hitler says and wants or face being thrown to the communits?

>>17791056
>Hitler knew there would eventually be war with Russia, in fact he knew that as early as writing Mein Kampf.

Ok so you admit that Barbarossa was essentially pre-planned during (and even before) the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Can we keep this in mind the next time you stormfaggots starts to argue that Barbarossa was purely reactionary as a pre-emptive strike, or that Hitler would still fuck up the continent even if Britain lets him take Poland, cause Hitler will still attack the USSR and the USSR will still likely be funded by the allies (even if neutral because why would they passively let Germany grow in 500x times size), ergo you still end up with half of Europe taken by the USSR.

Good, im glad we cleared this up then.

>>17791064
The Finns were diplomatically friendly to Britain and hostile to Germany. Therefore, it's Britain's duty to protect them in the case of a Russian invasion. Hitler wasn't going to declare war on Russia in 1939 for Finland's sake. Why should he?
Also if he actually did so, Germany would have been decimated in a two-front war against both Russia and France. The war would have been over by 1940 with Russia in control of most of Europe, probably even worse than our timeline

>>17791071
Yes, I admit it
Molotov-Ribbentrop was a temporary non-aggression pact signed in bad faith by both sides. Hitler always intended to break it, and so did the Kremlin

>>17790990
>no such thing as "extremism". Nor was NSDAP actually extreme
where talking about the people who spent a decade building up a cult of a "new world order" before invading their neighbors on a medieval style crusade and systemically slaughtering millions of people?
then a whole international coalition of people who didn't even really like eachother had to stop them
even the remaining, truly intelligent and brave germans, jumped ship at the end
and yes i know the commies did the same thing
and you can be antisemitic without jumping to "ya just kill em all"
your black and white, all-or-nothing attidute and worldview is the literal definition of extremism
fags like you would get the shit kicked out of them if we had to have these kind of conversations in real life

>>17790979
>Finland was Britain's ally in the runup to the war
What?
>>17791056
>they spurned him and allied with the British
Huh?

>>17791077
It's worth noting the Japanese had a non-aggression pact with the Russians too, and in that case it was the Russians who broke the pact

>>17791072
>The Finns were diplomatically friendly to Britain
>Therefore, it's Britain's duty to protect them
Who actually thinks like that.

>>17791080
Finland as well as Scandinavia were very close to Britain diplomatically and hostile to Germany. They switched sides later on

>>17791077
>temporary non-aggression pact
Don't forget their economic and military aid to each other.

>>17791090
Romania was Germany's main supplier of oil. There was trade between Russia and Germany but it was relatively minimal. Also in the long term Russia wanted to annex Romania and Bulgaria which would have destroyed the German economy

>>17789630 (OP)
More and more people are seeing through (((their))) lies, its only a matter of time before Hitler is rehabilitated and even seen as a freedom fighter

>>17791096
>Also in the long term Russia wanted to annex Romania and Bulgaria
I'd like a source for that statement.

>>17791072
>The Finns were diplomatically friendly to Britain and hostile to Germany.
You just spent 3 posts arguing that they were allied.
Now they are "friendly".
How was Finland more friendly than any other state that warranted being signed off to the communists?

>Therefore, it's Britain's duty to protect them in the case of a Russian invasion.
So in general, if you are friendly towards a state, you have a duty to protect them? When was this rule created? When has it ever been used a casus belli?

>Hitler wasn't going to declare war on Russia in 1939 for Finland's sake. Why should he?
That's not even what I am arguing you moron.. I am asking by what right did Hitler have to just sign them off by the stroke of a pen when Finland was essentially just minding its own business, neither friend or foe with anyone.

>The war would have been over by 1940 with Russia in control of most of Europe, probably even worse than our timeline
How is the war ending in 1940 worse? You've just avoided +40 million deaths.
Not that I argue that Germany should have attacked Russia in 1939, you're just creating a strawman argument.
My sole argument was by what right did Hitler have to sign off Finland to the communists in 1939.
For some reason you've sidetracked into this make-believe scenario from that very simple question.
It's another problem with stormfags that they can never stay coherent in a debate, and then they wonder why no one agrees with them. Hmm

>>17791086
>>17791105
Why should Germans die to defend Britain's friends? Why can't Britain defend its own friends from the Russians?

>>17791101
Forged documents like Generalplan Ost.
The reality is that nobody during WWII had any clue what the fuck was going o and they all just acted in the spur of the moment woth no plans.

>>17791077
>Yes, I admit it
Unfortunately most of your stormfag brothers refuse to admit this, and keep that in mind the next time you enter a discussion when it is argued that Barbarossa was never a long-term plan.

Hopefully you will be a reasonable and logical individual to come to the conclusion that many pro-Hitler positions are fundementally flawed.

>>17791088
You're literally making shit up.

>>17791108
You keep saying the Nordic countries were "Britain's friends" when in reality they were all neutral.
Also you fucks always go on about how much Hitler wanted to ally with Britain and protect her empire.

>>17791096
>There was trade between Russia and Germany but it was relatively minimal.

"minimal".

2 million tons of food and half a million ton of oil and rubber isnt minimal.

>>17791117
Well of course the ideal situation would be a German-British alliance but that's not what happened

>>17791119
It's relatively minimal compared to the oil from Romania

>>17791121
Do you ever question why people dont subscribe to your arguments? Like does it fundementally puzzle you?

Or do you in the back of your mind understand that there is reason to logically reject your narrative?

Im just curious.

>>17791079
"Extremism" implies something radical, while German policies in 1930s were centrist and not extreme at all.
Germany wasn't really as aggressive or militant as France or UK was at the time, while antisemitism was mainstream everywhere too.
Hitler was mostly centrist too and was often accused of being too soft and not radical enough lol.

>>17791123
Romania produced roughly 3 million tons of oil for Germany.
USSR produced roughly 1 million tons of oil for Germany,

How do you define "minimal"?
The word minimal refers to an amount that is negligible, scant, slight, very small.

Is the number 1/3 fitting to that definition in good faith?

>>17791112
What positions are you talking about? When we look at that time period objectively, most of Hitler's policies were centrist and mainstream.
Even antisemitism in Germany at the time wasn't different from general attitude towards Jews in France and Poland.

>>17791132
i don't even know what to say, its like we're from different realities
good luck anon

>>17791141
Why are you moving away from the argument by the way?

By what right did Hitler have to just sign them off by the stroke of a pen when Finland was essentially just minding its own business, neither any more friend or foe with anyone in particular.

Also what is this rule you're describing where a state who has friendly relations has a duty to go to war for that state?

Also how much friendly was Finland to Britain that warranted being signed off to the communists? I just want to grasp the level on the bar that has been created by Hitler-apologists.

>>17789630 (OP)
>oooooo look at me i use 4 chan and love Hitler! im so cool and edgy

>>17791141
i don't recall france or poland ever building concentration camps or instituting the nuremberg laws

>>17791090
>Don't forget their economic and military aid to each other.
It was actually based.
Germany and USSR teaming up to kick the shit out of the "liberal democracies" and liberating Western Europe and England from central banking would be a better outcome, since at least we'd get cooler technological shit.

>>17791157
Poland continued pogroming Jews even after WW2 to the point where war-weary Soviets were too scared to stop them.

i never did
because im not a retard

>>17791141
>Even antisemitism in Germany at the time wasn't different from general attitude towards Jews in France
Yes it was and shit like the the Kristallnacht sparked outrage in Germany's neighbours.
They really went from the tastefull antisemitism enjoyed by all of Europe to full blow jewhating.

>>17791148
You could start by making an argument that isn't gainsaying.
Name one policy that was "extreme" and DIFFERENT from what "democracies" did.

>>17791151
You're talking to someone else that's not me
Finland was a parliamentary democracy in the 1930s that was naturally much closer aligned to other maritime parliamentary democracies like Britain than to the fascist bloc in Central and Southern Europe. When Britain declared war on Germany, Finland and the Nordic countries were de facto part of Britain's alliance, just as countries such as Italy or Hungary were de facto German allies.
When people think of Finland as a fascist or German ally it's because Mannerheim accumulated more power as the war progressed. But initially this was not the case
>>17791159
>Germany and USSR teaming up to kick the shit out of the "liberal democracies"
Siding with Russia is unforgivable anon.

>>17791164
Yep even Göbbels expressed anger and anxiety over Kristallnacht because he knew it was extremely bad PR for the government to violently attack jews.

>>17791166
>>17791162
anon you lack basic logic and comprehension skills

>>17791171
thats why he's sitting at home being a neo nazi on the internet instead of empolyed

>>17791168
It's actually horseshit. Finland wasnt any more aligned with Britain and they were with Germany.
You're just scraping the barrel for an argument and no one is going to buy that shit. You really think this is going to change peoples mind? Ho fucking detached are you from normal people exactly?

And again, how does this justify Hitler signing Finland off to communism? How is that even a porportionate response to Finland merely existing as a democracy?
And these plans were signed before Germany and Britain even became enemies. Hitler still believed Britain would stand back.

>>17791175
Why aren't the Russians responsible for their own acts of aggression? Hitler wasn't going to send Germans to die against Russia to protect Finland. The war wasn't his business. If anything the British should have stepped in to defend their fellow democratic state.

>>17791168
>You're talking to someone else that's not me
Ok so one less stormfag fucked off because he realised that he needs to watch Europa:Last Battle or Zoomer Historian one last time because the logic didnt add up when tested in a debate.

>>17791177
>Why aren't the Russians responsible for their own acts of aggression?
Do you even understand what Hitler/Ribbentrop was signing?
They DIVIDED states between them.

>Hitler wasn't going to send Germans to die against Russia to protect Finland.
Not even my argument. Do you have reading disability? Or cant you comprehend the argument I am making? I dont know if I can make it any more clear.

>If anything the British should have stepped in to defend their fellow democratic state.
Ok so Britain has to correct every fuckery Hitler does because Hitler has no responsibility or agency himself. Every cause and consequence of Hitlers actions will be Britains fault.


LITERALLY not even the argument I am making.
I will repeat:
By what right did Hitler have to just sign away Frinland to the USSR? To communism.
Finland was not any more friend or foe to Germany or Britain, and even if they were, no amount of 'friendly' warrants that kind of action.

>>17791164
>Yes it was and shit like the the Kristallnacht sparked outrage in Germany's neighbours.
There were lynching's in USA, Belgians kept some of the black people from their colonies in literal zoos while England was low-key creating artificial famines to keep population in their colonies down to prevent them from revolting. Let's be honest, ethnic violence was commonplace and trivial back then.

>>17791196
The USSR demanded Germany stay out of its ambitions in Finland and the Baltics, and Germany agreed because they didn't have the motivation or the capabilities to fight for these countries in 1939.
It's worth noting they originally claimed Lithuania would be in Germany's sphere of influence but then decided to take that anyway. Hitler didn't care because he was already planning on breaking the pact regardless

>>17791206
It was Germany that came to the Soviets to sign that pact.

>>17791209
And these were demands the Russians made in exchange for them not declaring war on Germany in 1939

>>17791168
> Siding with Russia is unforgivable anon.
If Russia and Germany teamed up in WW2 and won, we'd have bases on every planet and real sci-fi shit like flying cars by now.
Democracy ruined everything.

>>17791206
>The USSR demanded Germany stay out of its ambitions in Finland and the Baltics, and Germany agreed because they didn't have the motivation or the capabilities to fight for these countries in 1939.

None of this actually answers the question: By what right did Hitler have to sign off Finland to the USSR. To communism.

You seem to have a hard time understanding the question and giving an actual answer.
You keep talking about what Hitler wants and what's convenient for Hitler. Literally not what I am asking.

>>17791223
Russia is a backward dystopia. You can be against capitalism and democracy and also be against Russian bolshevism

>>17791171
>>17791174
> more gainsaying
You are unironically contributing to establishment of 4th Reich by arguing so poorly.

>>17791215
Not at all. There weren't any plans to start a war against Germany in 1939.

>>17791215
>in exchange for them not declaring war on Germany in 1939

Where the fuck did this news flash come from?

Is this your next "oil from USSR was minimal"?
or "Finland and Britain had an alliance"?

>>17791224
Hitler agreed to stay out of Russia's ambitions in Finland because Finland wasn't Germany's ally, and Germany couldn't afford a war with Russia regardless.

>>17791239
It was Hitler who approached the Soviets with this pact, not Stalin.

The pact wouldnt even have existed if the Germans did not initiate it.

>>17791206
>It's worth noting they originally claimed Lithuania would be in Germany's sphere of influence but then decided to take that anyway.
Lol, except this is not what happened at all. Germany took more Polish lands that they supposed to and instead of giving them back to the Soviets they decided to give them Lithuania.
They signed a treaty on 28 September 1939. Soviets annexed Baltic states in 1940.

>>17791235
Germany was already preparing for a two-front war against France and Britain. Add in Russia and they lose instantly. Russia had every incentive to join the coalition against Germany but didn't because Hitler agreed to stay out of their ambitions in Finland.
The Russians were actually quite stupid. If they had sided against Hitler they probably would have got Finland regardless

>>17791246
These were demands made by Molotov in exchange for guaranteeing 'non-aggression' with Germany. Germany probably would have agreed to any demands made because they had no way to fight a war against Russia as well as France and Britain

>>17791231
Any communist country is a dystopia, doesn't mean Germans couldn't influence Russia to diminish communist influence.

>>17791251
>Russia had every incentive to join the coalition against Germany but didn't because Hitler agreed to stay out of their ambitions in Finland.

You literally just made this up.
You have no idea about ww2 and your entire understanding is based on assumptions.

>As late as July 1939, the Western negotiators discounted the chance of USSR reaching an understanding with Hitler, Britain considered reports of Soviets exploring this option as a negotiation ploy.[11] Only on 29 July, Molotov had authorized the Soviet ambassador in Berlin, Astakhov [ru], to signal that his country was ready for improved relations with Germany.[12]
>The commitment of USSR to reaching the agreement was limited by the deep distrust of the West dating back to the generally adversarial state of relations after the Russian Revolution of 1917. Contributing to this lack of trust were the West's policies of appeasement of Hitler and rejection of Soviet proposals for collective security throughout the 1930s, as well as the slow and obstructionist approach of the West to the Moscow negotiations themselves.[29]
>From Moscow's point of view, the behavior of Anglo-French diplomacy could only be explained by the desire to use the negotiations as a tool to drag USSR into a war with Germany with Britain and France benefitting from standing on the sidelines.[29]

>>17791277
Russia today is no longer 'communist,' but is it much better?
Russia is the sworn enemy of Europe and that will not change regardless of what economic ideology they follow

>>17791254
Why was Germany signing the pact at all under these conditions?
You really dont see where I am getting at with this, do you?
His ambitions had already been compromised by signing such a pact just to get his war.

>>17791292
I agree a pact with Russia is a pact with the Devil, but sometimes such a pact is necessary.
Of course you should break the pact at the first opportunity before the Devil breaks it first, as what happened in the case of Japan

OP do you need to be run down the list of stuff Nazis did in my occupied country?

>>17790197
>>17790458
>>17790576
>>17790871
So why did they fake the Holocaust? And who is they? If you believe the Holocaust was fake, do you not have to believe it was done for the jews and then in turned planned by the jews?

The way /pol/s line of thinking, from what I can gather, Russian jews took Russia, implanted Hitler in Germany, ww2 happens, fake Holocaust for sympathy and to gain the state of Israel. That seems so improbable to me, far too much planning.

>>17791314
Russian propagandists generally claim Hitler was a British agent because schizo reasons

>>17791284
Look at what happened to Germany, Britain and France after WW2. These nations are unrecognizable dystopias.
Balts, Poles and Czechs, on the other hand, had less GDP, but remained homogenous. I mean there is a reason why East Germans are having buyers remorse now. Russian occupation was better for Europe then NATO and its a fact.

>>17791349
Most of Eastern Germany was genocided by the Russians. The little that remained was very poor and only developed after the Cold War ended.
Plus you have no way of knowing that the Russians wouldn't have invited in migrants had they won the Cold War. Loving the third world was basically their whole thing

Why is western morality so hyper focused on him personally and the reich more in general. Like even with 50 years of Cold War in between and the war on terror and all. As a bystander it’s puzzling but probably goes to show how much influence “they” still have on much of society and its moral compass.

>>17791349
What huge difference it would have made! Instead of being replaced by Turks and Africans. The Germans and Eastern Europeans would have been replaced by Central Asians and mountain Muslims.

>>17791232
its you who can't argue
you're gonna have to start saying this stuff in public to even start your 4th Reich
holy autism i can't believe you typed that
but you won't because your a loser whos never done anything and will get your teeth kicked in

>>17789630 (OP)
>Hitler was morally wrong
Cringe

>Hitler was massively retarded and self-sabotaging
Correct

>>17791366
They didn't bring them to Eastern Europe, hell they were barely allowed into European Russia until1990.

>>17791378
I literally pointed out how Germany's policies were mainstream at the time.
I asked you to name one policy that was different from how French of English did things and you failed to do even that.
Again, you arguments just low-key advertise National-Socialism.

>>17790517
Nazism was just German take on Zionism

>>17791077
>and so did the Kremlin
We don't actually known that. Sure Stalin was a thug but very careful one.

>>17791454
>Germany's policies were mainstream at the time.
>I asked you to name one policy that was different from how French of English did things
Nuremberg Laws and outlawing all other political parties would be a start
>>17791157
I don't even why I'm talking to you, you're so fucking dense.

>>17791072
So bongs being allied to poles mean that it was their duty to help them?
Gotcha

>>17791502
France was Poland's ally

>>17791206
>Hitler didn't care because he was already planning on breaking the pact regardless
So trustworthy, dunno why bongs didn't believe him that he wanted peace

>>17791511
When dealing with Russia, politics is purely Machiavellian. If you rely on principles you get betrayed like the Japanese did

>>17791251
Both countries didn't even border each other. The only war between two was only possible if Poland -the perfect buffer state- suddenly stopped existing...
Wait a moment....

>>17791522
Poles are Russian so it's not a very useful buffer state

>>17791366
That didn't happen under USSR. It happened after capitalist won.

>>17791528
Poles actually won war against ussr tho.

>>17791528
>Poles are Russian
some of you are so fucking stupid its unreal

>>17791522
A buffer state is only valuable if it's different from the people being buffered against. If anything Germany is actually the buffer state between the Western colonial powers and the Slavs

>>17791365
>Why is western morality
You don't know what "western morality" is you retarded jeet. You literally worship cow shit.

>>17789630 (OP)
>>17789630 (OP)
Going to high school with a bunch of ghetto ass niggers, proved to me irrefutably that the races are not the same.

Then as an adult I quickly realized that the people in control of finance, politics, and the media; tend to overwhelmingly be Jews.

I became white supremacist-leaning, not quite one of those white pride types, but maybe a bit of a nazi sympathizer.

Then as I grew older, I learned tyranny is not the way and even though it's important not to let lesser humans devour our culture, tyranny has to be kept in check also.

So it's a balancing act. Hitler made sense for his time and place, but living under that type of oppressive tyranny wouldn't be great either.

Really, literally ALL OF US here on 4chan would be classified as untermenschen in some way or another and many of us would wind up in fucking political prisons, concentration camps, or "re-education centers".

>>17789660
The final redpill is realizing that the House of Staufer did literally nothing wrong

>>17789660
Holy Roman Empire>German Empire>Nazi Empire

>>17790424
Are you implying the decision to strike Iran was not Trump's alone to make? If so then that is schizophrenia.

>>17791499
>Nuremberg Laws
Almost carbon copy of US laws on race relations that were in place for 2 decades after the war.
> outlawing all other political parties
Are you saying US, England and France didn't ban political parties?
Also first use of concentration camps was done by the English in Boer war.

>>17791314
Jews aren't smart enough to "plan" the holohoax in advance, other than having their own schizo prophesies of 6 million jews being immolated. What happened was Germany was deporting the jews out of the country and putting them in work camps, just the same as Britain for example treated the Boers in the Boer War. This is indisputable and nobody serious is contradicting this. What is being contradicted is the claim that millions of jews died on the order of the Germans and Hitler in particular. There is simply put no evidence for this, not even an order from Hitler to kill jews has ever been produced, only quotes from Mein Kampf out of context somehow "proving" he must have ordered it. Instead the situation was much more realistic: lots of jews (hundreds of thousands, not millions) died from disease and starvation in the aftermath of the war just like everyone else. However this created bad optics which the US and Soviets exploited: they claimed without evidence that these people in the camps were mass murdered instead of incidentally by disease, and pushed this propaganda to justify the destruction and occupation of Germany after the war. This sort of atrocity propaganda is honestly par for the course in war, everyone does it for obvious reasons, and it usually doesn’t persist. The Americans and British themselves a decade later basically didn't care anymore because the war was long over and in the case of the US, many top nazi scientists were now at NASA and part of the war effort against the USSR. But what did happen was jewish groups resurrected this atrocity propaganda and spun it into the Holohoax narrative and used their influence in the media and education to push it on everyone. Fastforward to current year and it's not just Germans guilty of murdering jews, but all white people. Your socalled /pol/ narrative is a complete strawman btw, unironically touch grass.

>>17791607
Germany imprisoned fewer people than the US today. If you arent in a US prison you definitely wouldnt be in a German prison unless youre like a black who walked because the judge and jury was also black.

Germany would have had more freedoms under the NSDAP as they continually relaxed much of their racial and economic policies as time went on.
it was only when the war was coming down to the wire that they had the shooting of deserters and imprisoning people for wrongthink.

America would do that in a heartbeat if China dropped 250 divisions on the Western Seaboard.

>>17790424
>is it schizophrenia to point out jews are determining American foreign policy against the wishes of the democratically elected sitting president of the United States of America?
AIPAC is not even the largest PAC in the United States, the largest PAC is the National Association of Realtors, and that's only if you don't include Super PACs that just exist to support a single politician or political party since those are always larger. It's not schizophrenic to point out that Israeli lobbyists exist, it is schizophrenic to think they're some shadowy organization that has a secret iron grip on American politics

>>17791531
Then we must assume they wanted to be under Russian rule because they could have thrown them off but chose not to :)
we should do the Poles a favor and bring more Russians into Poland.

>>17791780
99% of incarcerated inmates are niggers. I don't care about the government doing their job.

>>17789660
t.

>>17790943
>Germany did something wrong that means we get to do something wrong
does it?
Also Germany was not the first to bomb civilians.
They hit military targets and we dont have reliable data on civilian casualties in Poland.
We do know that Poles in the early days of the war began murdering German civilians in Bromberg.
Also, why cant Britain just hold themselves to a higher standard? Why not just hold themselves to a European standard of war?
>a single British raid
The one on Berlin.
>the Blitz
actual deaths were fewer and a large portion of casualties were the result of Churchill ordering old naval shells to used because retarded Briton ogres fucked up their procurement and ran out of modern shells, the old navy shells had bad fuses and so never detonated at the intended height instead falling to detonate on impact.
>https://www.historytools.org/stories/the-tragic-toll-how-british-artillery-shells-killed-thousands-of-civilians-during-the-london-blitz

Britain escalated.
Germany also only bombed Frontline cities or military garrisons, the few times they didnt they had tried to call off the attacks (e.g. Rotterdam).

Britain was in the wrong.
>NOOOOO MUH HECKIN UPPER LIPS

You need a license to open your window, shut the fuck up.

>>17790874
Germany's debts were lower and production GDP was higher than France and the UK by 1937, were they also nigger countries?

>>17791803
>The one on Berlin.
Which raid on Berlin, and how many German civilians died in that raid?

>>17789660
>German Empire > Nazi Germany
Entry level safe contrarianism.
Yeah, I really don't have anything else to add to the discussion.

>>17791838
The real hierarchy is HRE > Third Reich > Second Reich but we aren't ready for that discussion

>>17789660
The German Empire and Nazi Germany were both mistakes
West and East Germany were mistakes
Modern Germany is also a mistake but somewhat less so
The idea of a German Nation itself is a mistake. Germans are not a real ethnicity. The name for Germany (diutisc) comes from a generic tribal word for "people". Every single tribal horde in central Europe that didn't speak a Romance Language were just genericized as Germans, and the Holy Roman Empire attempted to contain these tribal hordes but Napoleon opened the floodgates for these retards to attempt to form a nation-state and they have consistently tripped over themselves since the early 1800s becuase there is no such thing as a German Nation, its an invention by Prussian Imperialists and Nietzschean Nordicist autism

>>17790414
Australian Huguenot.

>>17791857
When is Pooland going to pay the EU back for the funds they take out?

>>17791857
>The idea of a German Nation itself is a mistake. Germans are not a real ethnicity. The name for Germany (diutisc) comes from a generic tribal word for "people". Every single tribal horde in central Europe that didn't speak a Romance Language were just genericized as Germans
You're retarded. "Diutsc" [sic] was a common signifier across all Germanic tribes because they shared a common language and ethnic origin. Bigots against Germans, like antiwhites in general, should be shot unironically in Minecraft.

>>17789660
spbp

>>17791887
>"Diutsc" [sic] was a common signifier across all Germanic tribes
Wrong. Old Norse was also Germanic but it was not always mutually intelligible with Old German for example, this means there were Germanics who could not understand eachother but were nevertheless called German because diutisc was just a generic term for tribals who didn't speak Romance languages

>>17789662
>muh crime of humanity
You were a libtard then and you are a libtard now, as many on /pol/ are, maybe if you were more /lit/ you would have the intelligence to recognize Hitler as the avatar of Wotan instead of arguing about some factoids like a nerd.

>>17790647
I was talking in a thread a few weeks back on /co/ with a bunch of black Marxists who were saying metcalf was guilty and it was a shame black people were backing him. The blacks who did that are uneducated and ignorant and go figure people from shit communities with shit education turn out that way.

People aren’t born intelligent they learn it from their environment and those around them. Even by race realist’s own admission our education system teaches white people to be less racist.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

>>17791922
Odin is no God of mine

>>17790933
You are the US’s bitch now so it’s irrelevant.

>>17791607
>I was bullied in school by black kids so their entire race is inferior

If I wanted to murder subtext harder I would have to dig up Ayn Rand and pit a pen in her hand.

>>17791854
I think I know a place that is
https://www.reddit.com/r/history/

>>17791936
Reddit likes National Socialism now? Anything to boycott Israel I guess

>>17791948
Israel is a modern White Nationalist ethnostate

>>17791954
True. Putin and Netanyahu are the saviors of the White race

>>17791728
>What is being contradicted is the claim that millions of jews died on the order of the Germans and Hitler in particular.
Nah, the Holocaust deniers just have a vulgar idea of how genocides actually happen. It wasn't that Hitler just gave an order or that Germans shoved Jews into ovens while cackling devilishly because they loved being evil. That's not how people are. (Or most people.) Most Germans did not even personally or passionately *hate* the Jews. What happened is that, for the most part, they had an ideology methodologically drilled into them -- through tantra-like repetition -- that the Jews were a criminal cancer and agents of a powerful international cabal which needed to be excised from the German body.

It became routine, man, people didn't think but they accepted this through the work of painstaking indoctrination that went on for years. The antisemitism buried itself deep in people's minds such that they didn't even consciously think about it much, and they followed orders when it came time to liquidate ghettos or carry out cold-blooding shooting operations on the front:
https://youtu.be/IeMvUlxXyz8

>>17791909
>Old Norse and Old German were not mutually intelligible therefore their ancestors who spoke Common Germanic in the Nordic Bronze Age were not ethnically related.
Brainlet.

>>17791794
Yes. Problem?

>>17791975
>an ideology
Like what? What are its tenants? Where is the canon written? What are its absolute parameters?
>jews were organized and operated like an international mafia using their connections as jews to facilitate criminal behavior
Yes, this is true, they still do this today. We are watching it now.
>truth is anti-Semitic
You know I think you’re right.
>followed orders
What order?
>liquidated ghettos
And the evidence for this is what? We are lied to ALL THE TIME by jews demanding we just take everything at face value if a jew claims it.
Reminder we still have ZERO evidence of 40 beheaded babies which jews swore by during 10/6.
>cold blooded shooting
Did these shootings happen to occur while the Germans were being attacked by partisan raiders or when they discovered bombs planted at civilian factories and train stations?

>>17791838
There is nothing more safe edgy than communism and Nazism if you're American. They are Mickey mouse ideologies that mean nothing to people who have never been invaded by the Germans or Russians.

>>17791975
Cope post considering the official claim is that Hitler ordered the Holocaust, so you're just shifting the goal posts. Instead you claim that the jews were killed because of bad vibes or something. Indeed there were jews killed in various places at various times, just like slavs, just like french, just like germans by their enemies. What you're describing is a state of war and that's it. It's not what "holocaust deniers" or "revisionists" are concerned with because it's not controversial.

>>17792009
>What you're describing is a state of war and that's it.
NTA but the intentional and systemic killing of noncombatants and those hors de combat during wartime is a war crime. And yes, war crimes have been carried out by various people towards various groups before and after the holocaust, but this doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out or handwaved away as triviality over warfare

>>17792016
You're missing the point. It's not the holocaust. The reality does not match up with the narrative put forward. No "holocaust denier" denies no jews were killed or isolated incidents (war crimes) occurred. The point, once again, was that there was no concerted directive on the part of the German state to murder the jews en masse. Your moral posturing is very cringe.

>>17792026
>No "holocaust denier" denies jews were killed
Yeah I'm a phonefag

>>17792009
>What you're describing is a state of war and that's it.
I don't see that as existing in some ontologically seperate dimension from genocide which are, by the ways, acts of violence and terror inflicted on civilian populations and people targeted because of who they are. Holocaust deniers all operate in bad faith anyways since they ultimately want to wipe out the Jews like what the Nazis attempted to do. They accuse the Jews of lying all the time but Holocaust deniers don't actually care about telling the truth as long as they believe their words will help them advance their goals. Whatever they say about the Jews is just a confession about themselves.

>>17792026
>The point, once again, was that there was no concerted directive on the part of the German state to murder the jews en masse.
Okay but the German state actually did murder Jews en masse. The Germans also owned up to it and took responsibility for it.

>>17792056
>I don't see that as existing in some ontologically seperate dimension from genocide which are, by the ways, acts of violence and terror inflicted on civilian populations and people targeted because of who they are.
Then essentially you're calling every sort of "violence and terror inflicted on a civilian population" genocide. This is semantics and not interesting.
>Holocaust deniers all operate in bad faith anyways since they ultimately want to wipe out the Jews like what the Nazis attempted to do. They accuse the Jews of lying all the time but Holocaust deniers don't actually care about telling the truth as long as they believe their words will help them advance their goals. Whatever they say about the Jews is just a confession about themselves.
Projection. Not an argument.
>Okay but the German state actually did murder Jews en masse.
Prove it then.
>The Germans also owned up to it and took responsibility for it.
"The Germans" = the successor states BDR and DDR which were/are vassals to the US and USSR respectively. In no way would a vassal state set up by the progenitor of the atrocity propaganda narrative that would become the Holohoax be the in the position to contradict its master. This has no bearing on the truth of the matter however, which is that no evidence of systematic murder of the jews by the Germans exists.

>>17791574
I hit a nerve, Schlomo?

>>17790414
Nordic as fuck. 100% Prussian Germanic ancestry

>>17789684
It's really weird. It makes zero sense that they murder millions of poor Romanian old Jewish women and actually get their hands on a Rothschild and let him go

>>17791931
Infinitely better than being one for the Soviets or Nazis.

>>17792069
>"The Germans"
Yeah, the Germans. The Germans are among the least likeliest people in the world now to adopt a Nazi-like ideology and the vast majority of them agree with me that they carried out a genocide of the Jews! Nobody is forcing them to think this!

>>17792174
you actually believe the average normie in the west today cares about jews. you're retarded and self absorbed. In fact they've been pretty much vilified in the past week alone with their actions during peace talks with Iran and America.

>>17789684
That was just because they were pragmatists, not because they harbored some love for Jews. They ransomed him because he was wealthy.

>>17790865
>economic recovery
Weimar
>re-arrament
Weimar
>Autobahn
Weimar
>NSDAP
Literally funded by the Weimar secret service and the army

>>17791992
Racial nationalism is the final realism
Idealist nationalisms are just safe edgy egalitarianist and universalist ideologies.

>>17791930
The issue is clear now, you are just a cocksucking spiritual jew.

Hitler-worship is midwittery, push a little further.

>>17789630 (OP)
I don't even know man, I recently had to quote Mein Kampf for somebody who argued that Hitler didn't actually write that he wanted the Slavs exterminated.

Also here's the reason why Hitler kill six gorillions.

>>17792682
What's farther?

>>17792718
Seeing that much of it was spoon fed on the internet.

>>17789630 (OP)
>When did you stop being a person
Never. Hitler supporters should be mass executed like the animals they are. They belong in mass graves.

>>17790865
>Take massive amounts of loans that you only intend to pay off by looting Europe.
Wow! They combined the worst aspects of Central banking with an economic system on par with Attila the Hun. Such a miracle!

>>17792820
>Wow! They combined the worst aspects of Central banking with an economic system on par with Attila the Hun. Such a miracle!
Again, looting central banks is based.
Ripping off international finance, which is responsible for starting wars and famines is also based.

>>17789660
>Germany
I cannot imagine being this gay

>>17791930
Odin is a god of war, magic and poetry, while Yahweh is just god of being a street-shitter lol.

>>17792740
Okay, but who is your favourite ideologue?

>>17792740
Germany didn't lose because of its ideology or leadership but because UK and USA really wanted to start a war. If German government was liberal or communistic, US and UK would still start WW2 with them anyways, or with someone else. If that failed, they'd probably end up going for each other.
If we judge NSDAP by "results" then we can look at how Germany was doing in first 6 years of NSDAP rule, which was nothing short of bona fide economic miracle.

>>17792431
You're a buffoon. Barely anyone alive today was around back then let alone in a position to harm jews personally. Germans have been brainwashed by denazification propaganda for 80 years now, of course they have been forced to think that way, you consensus fetishizing cuck. No more (You)'s for you.

>>17792740
Yeah Napoleon was shit. And we know this because the results of his tactics were a big fat loss.