Thread 17792078 - /his/ [Archived: 948 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:11:28 AM No.17792078
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>New York City's homicides/100k were in the 30's by 1990
Is this proof that crime rates don't really matter as long as they're confined to one specific area? NYC was still the commercial capital of the world in that period.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:17:44 AM No.17792086
>>17792078 (OP)
So we straight up denying 9/11 happened or something?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:21:43 AM No.17792091
>>17792086
>For the most part, the data associated with the events
of September 11, 2001, are not included in the standard tables found in Crime in the United States.
The number of deaths is so great that combining it with the traditional crime statistics will have an
outlier effect that falsely skews all types of measurements in the Programโ€™s analyses.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/toc01.pdf
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:23:50 AM No.17792097
>>17792086
>>17792091
Never forget the 20 000 murders that occurred that day
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:25:00 AM No.17792320
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>>17792078 (OP)

Gun laws are irrelevant, as they only affect the already law abiding.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:26:35 AM No.17792324
>>17792078 (OP)
>NYC was still the commercial capital of the world in that period.
Because it's relative
The worst day in NYC is not even close to your average day in some Favela in Brazil
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:28:09 AM No.17792328
>>17792324
Pretty sure European capitals were not as bad as either favelas or NYC
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:29:34 AM No.17792332
>>17792320
>crime was already rising before prohibition
We should have never appeased these wops
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:30:14 AM No.17792335
>>17792320
safe act has like a sub 20% compliance rate.
your post is correct, I just wanted to point out that the safe act is generally ignored state wide
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:32:08 AM No.17792339
>>17792078 (OP)
>Is this proof that crime rates don't really matter
Crime rates never really fucking mattered. A graph is not always a reflection of the real world and the media has been busy making everyone into a paranoid, scelerophobic retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_world_syndrome
Crime rate is also relative, the worst day in NYC would be considered a peaceful day in your average Brazillian Favela. Hell, the Western Frontier of the United States in the 19th century bordered on being a war zone because that's also often the era that tradlarps think we should RETVRN to. They wouldn't last a day in your average western border town. It doesn't matter, it never mattered.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:34:05 AM No.17792343
>>17792078 (OP)
no one gives a shit about black on black crime. Like to the point they rebranded gang related shootings as "mass shootings" because even gun grabbers don't give a shit about black on black crime
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:36:08 AM No.17792349
>>17792328
>Pretty sure European capitals
Funny you mention this because while European countries and cities often do have a reputation for being relatively free of crime, in some cities or countries with small populations, just a single murder is usually enough to raise said country to the top of the crime rate list, which is another reason it shouldn't be taken as gospel

The Vatican was briefly the most violent country in the world over a single murder in the 1980s because of its small size and population for example
The United States isn't even in the top 50 most violent countries despite having to deal with Southern shitholes
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:39:15 AM No.17792354
Scelerophobia is more common in women than in men. Scelerophobes are all pathetic, feminine retards. If you want to live somewhere that's crime free then move to some backwater with a population of 40 like Tuvalu because that's the only way you're actually going to get this
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:39:43 AM No.17792355
>>17792349
Why do you frame it as "Southern" shitholes when everyone knows what drives violent crime? NYC since Giuliani has been an anomaly at relatively containing crime, but Chicago and Philadelphia still exist.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:40:54 AM No.17792361
>>17792355
Because the South has always been the most violent region in the US statistically speaking
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:41:22 AM No.17792362
>>17792361
And everyone knows why.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:43:28 AM No.17792366
>>17792349
>southern shitholes
Like detroit, philly and chicago?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:44:00 AM No.17792368
>>17792349
>in some cities or countries with small populations, just a single murder is usually enough to raise said country to the top of the crime rate list, which is another reason it shouldn't be taken as gospel
If they consistently stay at the top of the list year-in year-out then yeah a single annual murder would be enough to consider them dangerous.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:44:28 AM No.17792370
>>17792362
No I don't actually. I'm sure you're here to make some racial statement but it's not going to actually make sense because while violent crime peaked between the 70s and 90s in America, the black population has either remained stagnant or has risen slightly since then, meaning there is no actual correlation between blacks and crime rate overall
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:47:33 AM No.17792376
>>17792370
Because you don't understand how the world works outside of laboratory experiments apparently. The crime spike and decline was uniform across demographics, and even existed in Europe, but the racial patterns were steady.
If the US was 0% black, the spike would have been way less severe, and would have declined further to an even lower crime rate.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:47:34 AM No.17792377
>>17792366
No, I mean like New Mexico (1st place) Alaska (2nd place) Arkansas (3rd place) Louisiana (4th place) and Tennessee (5th place)
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:49:29 AM No.17792381
>>17792377
>alaska
>south
also I wonder what group lives in new orleans, a group george bush doesn't care about surely
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:49:42 AM No.17792382
>>17792377
Yes sadly there other violent demographics in the US, like hispanics and amerindians, but black presence has the strongest correlation with violent crime.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:50:59 AM No.17792384
>>17792376
>If the US was 0% black, the spike would have been way less severe, and would have declined further to an even lower crime rate.
I don't think so, because the reason blacks are more violent on average is because this is typical of poorer populations, and there are many systemic reasons why blacks are poor but you're going to just dismiss that anyways
Statistically speaking, blacks aren't even the most violent racial group in America anyways, Pacific Islanders are
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:52:05 AM No.17792389
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>>17792384
Poor whites are less violent than rich blacks.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:52:25 AM No.17792390
>>17792384
there are no systemic reasons for blacks being poorer. The civil rights movement was 60 years ago
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:53:31 AM No.17792391
>>17792389
Well there is a degree of cultural intertia that is carried, rich blacks were extremely rare even as late as the 90s
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:54:21 AM No.17792393
>>17792324
>>17792328
Seems south american metropolitan shitholes are more than twice as bad as American cities but American cities are still the second worst in the world.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:55:10 AM No.17792395
>>17792390
>The civil rights movement was 60 years ago
That's not a long time anon, that's 2 generations at most, and families rarely change their social status in as little as 2 generations
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:56:23 AM No.17792396
>>17792393
>but American cities are still the second worst in the world.
Not even close, Russian cities are statistically more violent than American cities.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:57:31 AM No.17792397
>>17792393
The US isn't even in the top 60
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:57:34 AM No.17792398
>>17792391
Yes we should kick the can down the road, then you'll find another excuse anyway. That's the thing about "disparate outcomes", they must always be the result of oppression in your eyes, because you find the alternative unthinkable
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:59:34 AM No.17792401
>>17792395
>hat's 2 generations at most,
that's like 5 black generations
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:59:39 AM No.17792402
>>17792398
>because you find the alternative unthinkable
Yes, because intelligent blacks exist and black oppression was a very real thing. DEI is shit, Jim Crow laws were to blacks as DEI is to whites.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:00:28 AM No.17792403
>>17792396
>>17792397
Talking about the 90s, New York and such in 2010s is not even a city but a themepark for hipsters.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:00:34 AM No.17792404
>>17792402
DEI is real, jim crow was fictional
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:02:00 AM No.17792407
>>17792404
They are both real and both describe a series of dehumanizing policy and laws that strip people of opportunity
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:04:51 AM No.17792409
>>17792407
yes, but jim crow is fictional
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:05:27 AM No.17792411
>>17792402
>intelligent blacks exist
I don't see how that's relevant. The last time the US took care to weed out the intelligent blacks it was because the institution of slavery enabled it.
>black oppression was a very real thing
And the disparities remain, and will remain, long after its gone.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:13:12 AM No.17792418
>>17792409
Jim Crow is fictional but Jim Crow laws weren't
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:18:03 AM No.17792426
>>17792418
name a jim crow law
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:23:45 AM No.17792435
>>17792426
https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/links/misclink/examples.htm
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:33:13 AM No.17792447
>>17792435
those are all fake news
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:53:09 AM No.17792531
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>>17792390
If it was purely racial then it wouldn't explain why there are African countries with relatively low homicide rates. Ghana's homicide rate is lower than Canada. Rwanda is not too bad, lower than Russia and the United States.

I think in some societies, blacks filled in a sort of underworld criminal niche in the economy, but not like the mafia, more like the point of distribution for retail-level drug sales. I do think there's a strong argument that this is the result of the black people having been slaves and then excluded from the formal economy in various ways. It seems like ethnic groups can sort of find these various "niches" in various industries in a given economy and society.

People make choices but those are also constrained in various ways, and people are funneled into certain choices to such an extent that it's almost not a choice.

There's a ton of black American culture that celebrates being an outlaw. This was formed among people engaged in a great deal of criminal activity over a long period of time, helping the activity reproduce and maintain itself over generations. One thing that is very important is that you can't go to the police or courts to resolve disputes, which leads to a very strong "face" culture and value system that encourages violence at any sign of disrespect, because to do otherwise is a sign of weakness that others can maneuver to exploit.

It's also easy for conservative whites to say "fix your culture." They're not really "wrong" about this but it's also more complicated. The Italian mafia was really undercut by corporations which took over everything. It's hard to run a protection racket on a Starbucks. That hasn't really happened with the illicit drug trade. But the legalization of marijuana in the U.S. will probably have a positive effect.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:08:07 AM No.17792547
>>17792320
>>17792335
safe act was just cuomo seeing Connecticut passed the "toughest gun laws in the country" after the mass shooting, and he was desperate to see the headline "NY Governor Cuomo passes toughest gun laws in the country" so something arbitrarily more restrictive was passed that had absolutely nothing to do with safety. It was all about vanity. Glad to see that asshole eating crow in the NYC primary this week.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:09:56 AM No.17792549
>>17792389
unsourced charts are not to be believed
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:26:43 AM No.17792614
>>17792320
That's why they're enforced on those who don't obey.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:29:35 AM No.17792618
>>17792376
>If the US was 0% black
Ethnic cleansing and apartheid are crimes themselves. Apartheid ZA had some of the highest murder rates in the world btw
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:30:49 AM No.17792623
>>17792389
How many poor whites live in very populated areas along drug trafficking routes?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:32:54 AM No.17792626
>>17792426
There's a whole book of them actually. Pauli Murray was the writer iirc
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:55:36 AM No.17792660
>>17792531
Some of this is the case with Southern whites too. Honor culture, blood feuds, and all that. Not to say that any one group is irredeemably violent (I hear this implied a lot) but in certain circumstances there's a cultural aspect to it.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:39:12 PM No.17792982
>>17792531
>Rwanda is not too bad,
Rwanada literally had a genocide in your lifetime. idk how the fuck that is your shining example of black excellence.
btw, obongo let in one of the main war criminals/perpetrators of the genocide and he was living on long island and tried to apply for citizenship and trump just deported him
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:43:16 PM No.17792991
>>17792982
I think he means for murder rates. It has the reputation of being more orderly than its neighbors.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:46:17 PM No.17792997
>>17792991
it literally had a genocide in your lifetime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:48:57 PM No.17793001
>>17792997
I'm not that old.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:50:36 PM No.17793004
>>17792982
>>17792997
I was born in '98, four years after that happpened
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:22:12 PM No.17793177
>>17793001
>>17793004
zoom zoom zoom
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:31:17 PM No.17793197
>>17793177
Okay boomer
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:43:49 PM No.17793223
>>17792078 (OP)
Generally speaking the people who did the commercial stuff lived away from the crimes.
Sure Bushwick and the South Bronx at that moment were full of crack, guns and kids raised on gasoline fumes and gangster aspirations, but that's not what the people living in Riverdale or Brooklyn Heights experienced.
Sure huge parts of the East Village were scary for cops, but if you were in Stuytown or the West Village the biggest drug was weed and the cocaine was all in powder form.
Today many of those heavy crime spots have become wealthy neighborhoods or at least functionally mixed income middle class neighborhoods at least.
There's also simply what were people being killed over, which was territory and drug turf. With the leashing of Organized Crime that came in the 90s especially drug trafficking in general became more consolidated.
Also the Mexicans do all their killing in Mexico generally, a bit of it ends up in America but it's mostly in the Southwest where there are already engrained Mexican and Chicano gangs with connections to various Mexican Crime Organizations.
By the time the supply gets up here they're done killing people over it