If I own a machine (a mean,if you will) of production, either by having built ot myself or bought it, why *shouldn't* I be allowed to hire someone else to operate it at an agreed upon price?
What's so bad about that?

>>17792689 (OP)
tl;dr: Consequences are bad

>>17792689 (OP)
Because the government stole my raps, video game website, and gangstalks me and abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens etc me for literally anything I think or do.

It's not in my "rational self-interest" to believe that other people should be allowed to own things if I'm not also allowed to own things.

>>17792689 (OP)
it leads to a society dominated by a small class of machine owners at the expense of the people with no choice but to get hired as machine operators
so the majority are better off if we ban such contracts and have all machines belong to the public

>>17792689 (OP)
You are exploiting them
>n-no im not
Where does profit come from?

Also >>17792724
Is an understatement: it leads to a society where most of the entire productive output is handed over to random retards who have a paper saying they own 100000 10% shares of ownership of machines they have never even seen while the machine operators struggle to not become homeless

>>17792761
>>You are exploiting them
They don't have to work for me.
>>Where does profit come from?
Form the items they agree to produce for me.

>>17792724
>it leads to a society dominated by a small class of machine owners
Does it thought?
The people don't have to buy things form them.

>>17792772
>The people don't have to buy things form them.
Yes, they do. That's what share holder capitalism is for.

>>17792772
People are too stupid for their own good and will buy cheap products even of the actual cost is far greater.

>>17792780
People weren't being held at gunpoint to buy from capitalists. They did so willingly because >>17792785

It gets bad when a small, international, sick clique of a few hundred giant capitalists own all the shares and factories. The system must be built with sense in it, what you posted has nothing bad in it.

>>17792689 (OP)
The agreed upon price

Do the workers have any say on the price or you hired them say work a month without payment and the end of the mobth you handled them a non previously discussed amount or zero

If it is zero you still have the machine the product, and the worker has minus a month of transport food and time

>>17792689 (OP)
Lenin himself agreed considering NEP was a thing for a while

>>17792761
Exploitation does not exist in the modern day, you are schizo

>>17792689 (OP)
communists like to argue that people aren't rational agent ITT
honestly, the amount of people saying "theft" above my post to an agreed upon usage of both manual labor and mechanical production is fucking insane. Class consciousness is a myth, it's just another tribal identity, the lieks of which are created by a mixture of self-interest and shared interests by rational agents - at the same level as a machine owner and a worker agreeing to work together for varying levels of shared but different profit margins.

>>17793106
>Class consciousness is a myth
Tell us about the greek theme parks in Italy.

>>17792689 (OP)
If you are not going to use it, why not just sell it? Why are you assuming that the worker you want to hire cannot afford the full price of the machine? Why would they agree to this deal unless they were already impoverished?

>>17793142
Is this a bread and circuses thing?

>>17793080
Yes it does retard. The economy is just a bit odder now. The base principles still exist.