London used to be a high trust community with low crime, however by the early 00s it was no longer and crime had skyrocketed.

What brought about this change?

There was real fear in London about youth crime since the 60s. It got so bad in the 70s that it inspired Anthony Burgess to write A Clockwork Orange.
You are seeing that era through rose-tinted glasses.

>>17793032
The 40s are a different era to the 60s, things changed very quickly.

One book is not evidence, statistics like pic related are, but even if we look at the background of your book we see it substantiates what I am saying. Anthony Burgess's inspiration was his wife being beaten into miscarriage by American servicemen and later youth culture in the late 1950s. Clearly neither were common elements of English society in the 1940s, in the case of the Americans they were introduced from the outside, in the case of the youth it was a recent trend.

>>17793166
>>17793032 is deflecting, he knows very well americanization and "diversity" is the reason London went from a society where news stands didn't even need attendants to one where there are daily stabbings and the mayor dismisses as "part and parcel of living in a big diverse city", similar to many other western cities that were once beautiful and virtually crime free

the conclusion is horrifying to many since it proves objectively that there are differences in behavior between the races, they fear the consequences if white people get together and say "we've had enough", were all immigrants like east asians I might be tempted to believe in "equality", but it is simply not true

based lee kuan yew

>>17793524
No major cities were crime free AFAIK. Even in Singapore today crime is low but people don't leave their houses and shops unlocked like rumors say.

>>17793017 (OP)
Is LKY just Jesus for thirdies and fascists? You people parrot his every word like he isn't a cold-blooded backstabber who tried to undermine Malaysia from its independence then threw a hissy fit once he got kicked out. He tried doing eugenics until it was found out, then backed off to save face. What a sniveling ass

>>17793166
What categories does this cover? A city with lots of pickpockets and other petty crimes feels different from one with a lot of murders and rapes.

>>17793907
Westerners in love with autocracy adore him and his example, though they don't bother to do research on Singapore. They'd be horrified to hear about Singaporean anti-racism, neighborhood planning, and numerous petty ordinances.

>>17793166
The problem is that the violent hicks of the 70s, 80s, and 90s were molded in the horrific corporal punishment education "systems" of the 50s and 60s. Just listen to The Wall (not the nostalgia critic version) and you'll see exactly what I mean. The "perfect" system LKY idolizes in your quote was upheld by a very real system of coercion and state-sanctioned violence. Maybe that's okay in his open-air mall bugman paradise, but that's no way to run a civilized country

>>17793918
>but that's no way to run a civilized country
Yeah fentanyl zombies OD'ing in the streets is much, much better than Singapore

>>17793914
It is very funny, yes. They cherry pick quotes that make him appear racist even though his authoritarianism was actually based around forced integration of previously sectarian communities (good) and vicious punishment of the slightest deviation from societal norms (bad).
>>17793926
You can move to his bugman wonderland anon, nobody is stopping you. Singapore is very open to migrants. Just don't push your ridiculous autocratic bullshit on me, I would rather have fent addicts OD daily in front of my face than have my freedoms or their freedoms stripped away in the name of some nebulous "greater good"

>>17793926
NTA. I've been to several developed countries and about half the US states, including other ones with drug issues, but most of them don't have unsheltered drug users ODing in the numbers you see in Seattle for example.

>>17793907
>>17793914
>>17793931
The Wired article "Disneyland with the Death Penalty", it's mandatory reading on Singapore

>>17793931
>I would rather have fent addicts OD daily in front of my face than have my freedoms or their freedoms stripped away in the name of some nebulous "greater good"
What an excellent statement to truly summarize what it means to live in a Western country these days. "Human suffering is totally acceptable as long as it doesn't impact my freedom."

>>17794134
I heard in Munich there's a drug problem but they just use harm reduction strategies and have public healthcare.

>>17793017 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RgrfpLGmnI

>>17794145
Wish I lived in Munich. Here in America we think it's fascism to infringe on a methhead's right to sleep on the street and slowly kill themselves. And that it's too expensive to build rehab centers.

>>17794134
>>17794155
I'm not against cooperative and caring systems to help people with serious drug addiction get back on their feet. Singapore doesn't do that, the consequence for even smoking a joint or possession of small amounts of marijuana isn't a caring outreach to local drug education programs and addiction rehabilitation systems. It's a $20k fine, 10 years in prison, and a caning. And that's what separates it from being an actual civilized country. It doesn't even TRY to recognize the humanity in all - if you do something that the government deems "antisocial" then you will be severely punished for daring to have an independent thought as the jackboot slowly presses down on your neck. For fuck's sake, they even fine people for not having enough gas when leaving the city to Malaysia because they purposefully tax gas to sky-high levels while Malaysia doesn't.

>>17794170
I've heard that Singaporeans joke about it being a "fine city" lol

>>17794182
I think the fine regime enacted through the legal system is what makes Singapore's one-party state the most insidious. It maintains a thin veneer of "democratic" and "meritocratic" legitimacy when in fact the police, judge, and prisons are all arms of the all-seeing PAP. Just look at how JB Jeyaratnam has been hounded during his career for daring to criticize the regime and daring to run against a PAP man and win.

>>17794170
>even smoking a joint or possession of small amounts of marijuana isn't a caring outreach to local drug education programs and addiction rehabilitation systems. It's a $20k fine, 10 years in prison, and a caning.
Christ what a shithole, meanwhile I can have the strongest edibles delivered to my house without consequence. The war on drugs is a meme

>>17793017 (OP)
>What brought about this change?
It was more than 99% white, but now that it isnt... well, you know.

>>17794198
What happened to him?

>>17793017 (OP)
when was London "high trust low crime"? My grandfather died when he was stabbed outside a pub and two of my uncles got seriously fucked up in a football riot. This was 60s and 70s. And a century ago my great great grand aunt was raped, dismembered and eaten by some freak who was sent to australia.

>>17794170
>actual civilized country
Imagine believing there is any.

>>17794376
There are countries that are more and less civilized. Crime rate rankings, human rights reports, rule of law index, HDI, infrastructure quality, etc

>>17794382
You're mostly right but comparing crime rates between countries is retarded because different countries have different legal standards.

>>17794399
I can understand how the definition of things like rape vary WIDELY worldwide, but how much does the definition of homicide vary?

>>17794382
>Crime rate rankings, human rights reports, rule of law index, HDI, infrastructure quality, etc
Each of those comes with major caveats. there's also the fucked shit they do outside of their borders directly or through intermediaries.

>>17794440
It's not just the definition of a charge but also the conditions under which that charge is brought to court or the bias of the legal system for or against a defendant. Good example is Japan, where murderers won't even be trialed if a strong case can't be brought against them while if an innocent person is convicted and later evidence exonerates them (e.g. DNA evidence) then it is incredibly difficult for judges to overturn prior convictions - it's considered an explicit critique of society and the competence of the judicial system. So you get 99% conviction rates, but a very faulty prosecutorial system.

>>17794492
Interesting, I've heard of that before. Would that result in undercounting, overcounting, or both?

>>17793017 (OP)
I'm always nervous about getting smited by the mods, on this board, when someone asks a question where the answer is clearly racial.

The answer is too many blacks. Also the rise of Islam in Britain is problematic as it tends to make minorities militant.

BUT the primary guilty party in this situation is the owners of big business and/or politicians, that both fund and enact a push towards open borders.

They look to import cheap labor for the biggest bottom line with zero regard for the long-term damage that it does to the nation.

>>17794538
>The answer is too many blacks.
Drowned out in numbers and many have been Anglofied.

>Also the rise of Islam in Britain is problematic as it tends to make minorities militant.
And leaving out the many Euro and Indian immigrants as well as the local element in places like Glasgow? Suspicious.

>>17794538
Your answer is blatantly wrong though. Some of the boorish, most violent apes on that island are pale Morlock looking creatures from Birmingham. The black and brown immigrants who engage in roadman culture are offshoots and ethnic reinterpretations of white British hooliganism. The real culprit is neoliberal shipping of well-paid union jobs overseas, which results in parents having less time to provide a nurturing home environment and kids basically being left to their own devices amidst an increasingly defunded public school system and social services - which leads them to engage in fucking around (as all kids do) and without controls on their behavior, to crime.
Blaming this on brown and black people makes no sense when some of the hard-line Tories and Reform members themselves are nonwhite, it's just blind racism.

>>17794556
Racists aren't known for their knowledge of human nature.

>London used to be a high trust community with low crime
read primary sources sometimes

>but LKY
LKY visited the most elite parts of England as a highly impressible youth, from fucking Malaysia

>>17794170
honestly should be the death penalty
kill all druggies (alcohol and smoking included)

>>17794567
I took a train from Edinburgh to Oxford when I was on vacation there, with a transit through Birmingham. Terrible, horrible mistake. I was sitting in the quiet car and it was bliss until we got within 30 miles of Birmingham when this guy with a mohawk turned on his speaker (in the quiet car) and started blasting Central Cee and other grime garbage. The car from Birmingham to Oxford was also grating and loud because these Brummies were shouting about Cadbury fucking eggs and singing happy birthday.

What a shithole, the name Birmingham is cursed on both sides of the pond

>>17794626
A little alcohol isn't a problem but as someone who is (for now) sober after a DWI charge I can say that DWI/DUI cases aren't taken seriously enough in much of the US. It's not even a criminal case on the first offense in some states, a first timer even with a high BAC usually gets probation or deferred judgement, and we don't have random checkpoints like in the UK and Australia.

>>17794631
LMAO
Certain white subcultures are a nuisance.

>>17794631
Obligatory
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS94-_zy3Dg

>>17793907
Why do leftists cry so hard about based leaders that want high trust societies? Dont you have fentanyl addicts to worship?

>>17793931
>I would rather have fent addicts OD daily in front of my face than have my freedoms or their freedoms stripped away
So you would rather risk getting shot by gang members or stabbed than fent-addicts than allow cops to just get rid of them like they were allowed to do up until the last decade when screeching purple haired annoying white women would pull out iphones and record anytime the police (sanitation workers) are doing their job (cleaning up)

>>17794145
>>17794155
My issue is that the crackheads are allowed to go up in the face of normal productive people like me, touch me, and if I were to shove them out of my way I'd get arrested, but the crackheads can do whatever they want and not give a shit since they have nothing to lose. Bring back actually locking crackheads up

>>17794170
It's cheaper to beat them with a cane, so we should beat them with a cane. If you want to pay for their rehab you can do so with your own money. I only want to spend as much money as it costs to ensure they dont have the gall to think they are allowed to touch normal people like me. I wish we lived in the world that exists in pearl-clutching leftists' minds where cops actually beat up drugzombies
>>17794224
>leftypol druggies are the ones are the ones crying about

>>17793166
>"offences recorded"
>cases where the police even give the criminal a slap on the wrist don't rise much
>total numbers, not per capita
This graph is worthless

>>17794556
> Some of the boorish, most violent apes on that island are pale Morlock looking creatures from Birmingham

The pale Morlock looking creature in question.
Poor POC’s… the grooming gangs and mass murder of white children was taught to them by the heckin white chavs

>>17795137
What world do you live in? County jails are usually full of people going through detox cold turkey.

>>17795139
Singapore doesn't kill or beat all drug users. A lot of them get compulsory rehab if they're not dealing.

>>17795135
Die, commie

>>17794337
Wee woo wee woo retard alert

>>17795137
>>17795139
Nobody wants to touch you

Imagine being so dismissive of your common humanity that you would deny a touch starved person even the right to a hug

>>17795444
Seek help

>>17795137
>My issue is that the crackheads are allowed to go up in the face slavish, servile conformist cattle like me
They are allowed to because your kind is natural slaves.

>>17795139
>It's cheaper
Jew
>to beat them with a cane
Violent nigger.
>so we
Asiatic, collectivistic insect

>>17795456
Eat shit, slice your wrists and neck yourself, faggot.

>>17795139
>conformist cattle surpised that cattle don’t have rights

>>17795139
>>leftypol druggies are the ones are the ones crying about
Your faggy collectivistic cult of normality and conformity is leftist in nature.

>>17794170
You have to go out of your way to get drugs in Singapore, so the drug addicts tend to be different, not some white girl whose weed gets laced with fent at a party and lets herself get raped repeatedly by BIPOCs to fund her addiction, as is often the case in "socially progressive" western countries.

>>17795535
Seething commie

>>17795753
>and lets herself get raped repeatedly by BIPOCs to fund her addiction, as is often the case
Usually it's less dramatic. People just borrow money from friends or loved ones, sell their belongings, or get into debt. Sometimes they steal things like scrap metal to sell.

>>17793931
>>17795787
What freedom is there in being a fent addict?

Singapore made the call, they said they were going to reduce the "freedom" of a tiny proportion of the population, with massive oversight from the police and courts, to arrest and execute drug dealers, thereby preventing countless potential addicts from losing their entire lives to these drugs and spending years as a street zombie before dying early.

I can't find what proportion of drug addicts are prostitutes, but I found this

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7305278/

>Overall, 73% of women entered the sex trade to get drugs

In general it is pretty high. I don't understand why there aren't more vigilantes and death squads, n*rmies are not like us I guess.

>>17793897
>No major cities were crime free
Do you not understand "per capita" like the meme?

>>17796164
Do you? I can name plenty of places that have crime at very low or tolerable levels. I can't name anywhere with none.

>>17796149
And the rest of the developed world made their call. None of them are as harsh as Singapore (even Sweden with its zero tolerance policy) yet they're not overrun with zombies. That's an issue in the US, which still has strict drug laws in many areas and whose police and penal system are in some ways more brutal than those in Singapore.

>>17796192
So London wasn't 100% perfectly crime free, ok, but it was virtually crime free and this ended with the immigration of around 10000 Jamaicans a year during the 1950s and crime continued to increase thereafter. A similar story to Paris and other major cities.

Despite poverty decreasing, crime increased.

>>17793017 (OP)
Importing the Irish.

>>17796272
I don't think Paris was ever virtually crime free. It's always been a huge city with significant problems

>>17795424
Retard these weren't outliers. Paris, London, Moscow etc have always been big cities with low trust/high crime environment. It's a natural part of any city that necessarily attracts a diverse group of people (newsflash : people move into cities because of economic opportunities).
If you went today to any dormant village in the countryside of probably any western country, you would still find that high trust/low crime scheme by mere virtue of being a small town.

>>17795784
If you had any self awareness you would realize that your views are leftist but like proper leftist you don’t have it.

>>17796149
>bootlicking this hard
Typical muh lawn n odor golem

>>17796639
Ok commie

>>17796149
>of a tiny proportion of the population
This is precisely why collectivistic majority doesn’t deserve their freedoms and rights respected

>>17793017 (OP)
Deport the Irish and the country is saved this works not only for Britain but every country in the Anglosphere, but also Chile, Argentina, Mexico. Every nation on every continent should 1 drop rule for irish and deport their Irish.

vgh.. london would still be comfy if it weren't for atheists, socialist retards and minorities, fuck this gay earth

>>17796861
before irish bomb and cannibalize and kills peoples

>>17796861
Honestly I'd say keep the minorities and just get rid of the atheists and socialists. That alone solves 99% of the problem

>>17796357
It's also worth noting that small towns aren't immune to social issues either. I live in a relatively conservative minded town of 1.3k people. Today violent crime is very low but old timers say that it used to be rougher, with drunk watermen getting into fistfights and gunfights. Today despite the very low violent crime there's a lot of drug/alcohol related problems.

>>17796861
What year was this?

we will now watch the same happen to tokyo, everyone is having to get bike locks now, wave goodbye to the old japan

>1980
in 24 years moot would make 4chan and it has now been 21 years

in addition to white and east asian birthrates plummeting and minorities flooding once great western nations, we now have artificial intelligence which will spur on technological progress and undoubtedly an arms race and instability, the next 50 years of our lives is going to be wild bros, it will be completely unrecognizable from our youth, and not in the sense that things are better

and to think, this was a completely ordinary moment in their lives, this middle aged woman in her kimono, it was not something unusual for her

>>17796944
Japan already has theft. Your purse on your arm is probably fine but no umbrella is safe.

>>17796861
>that coach full of dudes in top hats
holy fuck I was born in the wrong time

>>17796952
they barely cost anything yet BIPOCs still feel the need to fuck it up, it is not because they are poor they just have some kind natural maliciousness

>>17796990
It's human nature.

>>17793017 (OP)
London in the 1950s was a smoggy shit hole where babies and elderly people literally dropped dead from the pollution lmao. There's a reason why Britons were leaving en masse to Australia, Canada, etc. back then.
>t. Dad was born in Bromley, 1953

>>17793926
The fentanyl stuff isn't a problem in Europe lol, that's just America being America as usual

>>17794376
Switzerland, Denmark, etc

>>17795134
>Leftists
Every single American right winger would screech that LKY is a communist if they heard about his affinity for central planning, heavy handed state regulations, Singapore's affordable housing system, Singapore's crushing taxes on car ownership, etc

>>17796281
Nah man, Victor Hugo wrote Les Miserable to celebrate the fact that Paris was clean and wonderful

>>17796877
Here in Australia, small towns are often the shit holes more than anything.

>>17797138
Hmmm...
https://www.euda.europa.eu/topics/pods/preventing-overdose-deaths_en
>1.3 million high-risk opioid users in Europe, including Norway
>9,138 overdose deaths in 2016 (EU28 plus Turkey and Norway)
>636,000 clients in opioid substitution treatment in the EU and Norway
>8 countries, including Switzerland, with drug consumption rooms

>>17797158
still substantially lower rates than in the US + drug consumption rooms shows an actual societal effort to fix the problem and treat them, as opposed to the anarchy that is in the US with no safety net to speak of

>>17794155
>rehab centers

Hard drug addicts should simply be given _free drugs_ as it's FAR cheeper then trying to clean them up and the sooner they die from their addictions, the better off society is.

>>17797067
>It's human nature.

I wouldn't call it "human".

>>17797411
Are you disagreeing with biology?

>>17797294
Burgermericans think that trying to help people is "rewarding" or "enabling" them somehow and the desired solution to all social problems is spending half the city budget on infinite cops to assault anyone who's off script

>>17796861
Das Kapital was written in London, Atheism as we know it grew out of the Royal Society's scientific discoveries, and minorities move to the capital of every empire, it's how empires differ from nation-states

>>17796861
>heres a nice looking photo
>ignore all the slums, raw sewage, crime and pollution that was happening at the same time
Why do chuddies always do this

>>17797738
Honestly if you saw and smelled that photo irl, it would probably resemble some shithole in Dhaka more than London today.
>horse shit and trash on the streets
>smog in the air
>building exteriors with pollution stains on the concrete, barely hidden by facades
>constant shouting by street salesmen

>>17797563
These are people who seem to worship the idea of general deterrence, often as a euphemism for negligence or torture. They subscribe to the very dangerous idea that you have to let people hit rock bottom for them to recover. There is a point where it's possible to enable someone's habit but that's buying them drugs or not trying to get them into treatment.

>>17798114
When people hit rock bottom they just want to abuse them harder
Existing as a homeless person is effectively illegal in a lot of US with cops arresting you for sleeping or even walking around
If you camp somewhere you will be brutally attacked, any money you have stolen and your possessions burned
The idea seems to be to push people down and then kill them, not anything about recovery.

>>17798123
Yeah then they straight-up lie about the prognosis for drug abuse and mental illness as if they're terminal or untreatable when really they just don't think that mental health and substance use are ***deserving*** of public funds in the therapeutic sense. They also lie about the relationship between mental illness and homelessness, as if people always become homeless because of drug use and untreatable mental illness. A lot of homeless people with substance use start using after losing their house, and their situation predictably aggravates their mental illness.

>>17793017 (OP)
>Perhaps the most impressive sight I came across was when I emerged from the tube station at Piccadilly Circus, I found a little table with a pile of newspapers and a box of coins
This sort of thing still happens all over London though, shops leaving stock outside is pretty common and the majority of train stations have little libraries that you can exchange books at. I've been to a few little secondhand bookshops in the city that are entirely unattended and trust people.
Well over 90% of crimes that occurs in central London are pickpocketing of some kind, which is nothing new.. London today has a lower level of violent crime than Vermont. The increase in crime is mostly down to more people reporting petty crime and the increased number of petty crimes on the list (parking offences and whatnot)

>>17798156
>pickpocketing of some kind
I think it's kinda funny how they latch onto this specific LKY quote about how civilized West End Londoners were once upon a time before the brown people - and ignore that 100 years before WW2, when London was 99.999999% white, people were writing entire books about mass gangs of thieves and street urchins in Central London and the East End (e.g. Oliver Twist)

>>17798169
>crime was present in the 19th century
>crime was present in the 20th century
>crime was present in the 21st century
>therefore crime levels are exactly the same as they have always been

>>17798228
It's up and down but the point is anyone yearning for a nearly crime free past is likely looking through rose colored glasses

>>17798228
Actually crime was probably worse in the 19th century. The reason they used to have such crazy extreme punishments for petty crimes is because the chance of actually catching a criminal were slim to none. The goal was to make them into an example (didn't really work then, doesn't work now)

>>17793524
>similar to many other western cities that were once beautiful and virtually crime free
you are either 14, delusional or a liar

>>17798289
Yeah a large part of criminal deterrence is having professional law enforcement that can predictably solve cases and gather reliable evidence, not extravagant or sadistic punishments

>>17798688
More important than deterrence is primary prevention of those kids turning into criminals in the first place, i.e. by helping their social and material environment to be more nurturing and providing for their needs

The sad thing is we are forgetting what it is like to live in such a community and most have never lived in one. State funded propaganda agencies and mass media are trying to convince you it is "purse clutching" and "fragility" to defend yourself against low IQ high crime demographics hurting you and enduring shit living the rest of your life, that terrorism and stabbings are "part and parcel" of the hustle and bustle of the big city. They also encourage these groups to hurt white people and minimize crimes like the rape gangs. It is all planned and organized and has been for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2VyKtfByXk&t=234

Here they took a west indian bomber pilot explaining that his fellows just want to live and work as equals and don't want any special privileges, now of course minorities readily push for special privileges and form Tammany Hall style voting blocs to promote DEI and racial discrimination against white people and reduce policing so their gangs can operate with impunity. And it was all planned. The Windrush set sail before laws had even been passed allowing them to come to Britain and when they arrived there were no jobs for them, the vacancies having been already filled by immigrants from Europe, yet they kept on coming at the behest of the Labour socialist government and shadow groups funding the migration. These unemployed men then set about causing skyrocketing crime This also shows how even the few intelligent among them pretend to be good people yet will still lowkey shill for their tribe knowing full well it harms white British people. Blood is thicker than water I guess.

So when are west indians going to be IQ 100 and low crime like white people? It has been 77 years.

>>17799140
You're suffering from Golden Age Fallacy. Crime rates are substantially lower now than they were back then
>The sad thing is we are forgetting what it is like to live in such a community and most have never lived in one. State funded propaganda agencies and mass media are trying to convince you it is "purse clutching" and "fragility" to defend yourself against low IQ high crime demographics hurting you and enduring shit living the rest of your life, that terrorism and stabbings are "part and parcel" of the hustle and bustle of the big city. They also encourage these groups to hurt white people and minimize crimes like the rape gangs. It is all planned and organized and has been for a long time.
No, what the media wants is for you to think the world is more dangerous than it actually is (Mean World Syndrome). The media wants you to be a Scelerophobic retard that never goes outside, because that's how both Mainstream Media and Social Media maximize their own bottom line. They have no interest in making you feel safe because then you'd be less inclined to watch them or participate in giving them ad revenue.

That image is 100 percent correct by the way, the artist, Trevor Mitchell, began his career as an art director at a London advertising agency in the early 1980s. He has no real connection to the settings he depicts in what is literally advertisement art being sold at pharmacies for boomers to engage in faux nostalgia over

>>17799140
Is that a bicycle in MY America?
Filthy commie, breaks my nostalgia totally

>>17799136
Yeah that's the bit people forget about. Neglected/unwanted kids who grow up in adversity and become idle, troubled adolescents tend to get into trouble

>>17793907
>who tried to undermine Malaysia from its independence then threw a hissy fit once he got kicked out
It's the other way around, niggerfaggot.

>>17793017 (OP)
Bukele should follow his example.

>>17799656
He'd need to crack down on corruption and install competent professional civilians rather than relying on militarized forces.

>>17799659
>competent professional civilians
Does El Salvador have any?

>>17793017 (OP)
>London used to be a high trust community with low crime
when it was a celtic village with 82 inhabitants, sure. but never since then.

>>17793871
He was faced and he would have defended Donald Trump if he was still alive. Since Donald Trump is trying to make America like Singapore, which is a good thing. A meritocracy based on government efficiency and getting results done.

>>17794170
>they even fine people for not having enough gas when leaving the city to Malaysia because they purposefully tax gas to sky-high levels while Malaysia doesn't.
very jewish behavior

>>17799610
I think that's psychologising people too much - it's a simple cost-benefit analysis for most people; is it better for me to get a job or do crime? If jobs are shitty, low paying or straight up non-existent, then gambling on just stealing bikes for a living or whatever is going to attract much more people. Also if you basically make just barely enough to survive (as inflation and landlords constantly raise cost of living and wages barely keep up at best) then to afford anything extra you can do crime for a quick burst of cash.

>>17799140
>a woman on a bike and a man delivering groceries whilst a pair of toffs ride their horses between stately homes
the modern north riding is the same
maybe morgan davies should stick to cardiff

>>17798150
The alternative to claiming every homeless person is an insane drug addict islamic terrorist satanist etc. would be to actually admit that high housing prices and rents are bad
But most top 50% americans have their entire "wealth" in the house their own so they want housing prices to rise infinitely and as fast as possible
And they aspire to become landlords themselves and have "passive income"
And building social housing for people to live in cheaply lowers the hecking property values and is evil satanic communism wokeism

>>17799902
Good luck with that. Singapore is a unitary city-state that's de facto a one party state like some other Asian countries. The US is massive, decentralized, and a bit more ideological.

>>17800340
But anon, if they were WORTH it, they'd DEFINITELY be able to find the right niche in the training and job market with the available resources, and their inability to is proof of their innate inferiority, right?

Market fundamentalism is a disease. Basically just world syndrome but in economics. Oh yeah then there's the fearmongering about public housing and acting as if letting the poor have affordable housing will create ghettos. Like Vienna and Hong Kong lol

>>17793017 (OP)
>London
>Low crime
Since fucking when?

>>17800397
up to the early 1950s it was high trust and low crime like tokyo

>>17799610
poverty was far higher in the 1940s yet urban youths didn't become roadmen and stab everyone

>>17793017 (OP)
>London used to be a high trust community with low crime,

Lol no it wasn't.

>>17799901
>>17800397
you are exactly like the soiboi in the image here >>17799140 , you actually believe acid attacks and grooming gangs were always a thing

The irony is BIPOCs know very well they destroy communities, they even don't try to hide it, they brag about it.

>Heard you want your country back! Hah, shut the fuck up!
>Heard you want your country back! Haha, you can't have that!
>Heard you want your country back! Shit, me too!
>Heard you want your country back! Boo hoo, shut the fuck up!
>Heard you want your country back! Nuh uh, you can't have that!

>The only place I know, stolen right under my nose, by ignorant scum, tryna lay claim to a land that ain't theirs anyway. Wait what did you say?

>Heard you want your country back! Hah, shut the fuck up!
>Heard you want your country back! Nuh uh, you can't have that!
>Heard you want your country back! Well shit, me too!
>Fuck. You. Can. Not. Have. That!

Apparently we must endure the stabbings, acid attacks, grooming gangs et cetera as punishment because wypipo did a colonialism decades before anyone was born.

>>17800523
>reported
So meaningless
Bring robbed was literally so unremarkable that most people never even bothered reporting those cases. Also this isn't adjusted for population, which makes it extra useless

>>17800532
Tell that to Glasgow
>>17800592
Do you really think that acid attacks and group CSA are a new phenomenon?

>>17800592
Child grooming and noncing were openly known problems in the UK. No one is in denial of that

>>17800647
Those "BIPOC" are British citizens. You can't strip that or the fact that they descended from British subjects who worked and fought for the empire. You can never erase that.

>>17800397
op is trying to bait a pol thread, he is not here to listen to logic

>>17800647
ah so you're seething about Glastonbury

why are the right so obsessed with trying to cancel everyone who doesn't match their politics?

>>17793032
Clockwork Orange is not documentary journalism about 1970s London. It’s dystopian futuristic fiction. The fact that the sheer saturation of this fictional parody society in violence, drugs and lawlessness seems totally plausible and realistic by modern standards indicates the opposite of what you think it does.

>>17798114
Addicts do not need or want treatment, it’s not going to help them, the absolute root of their problem is that they want to do drugs. Realistically they’re probably never going to get better because that’s just never going to change, they’ll want drugs in the best of times and they’ll want drugs in the worst of times. The one and only thing that might actually help them is regarding them as the incurably insane specimens that they are and locking them up for their own protection, they can even have a controlled diet of prescription drugs there to calm whatever chemical deficit is going on in their half rotten brains. I’d be happy to pay Euro tier income taxes if it meant locking up the crackheads instead of giving them free hypodermic needles and a biweekly allowance.

Case in point, the reason cities in the PNW have such out of control crackhead problems is because they adopt this exact mentality. They’re nationwide crackhead magnets that not only do nothing to solve their own local-grown problems with their lenient, rehabilitationist policies - they hoover up crackheads from all 50 states like Jews making Aliyah. Seattle is literally crackhead Israel.

>>17800766
Nobody is born with an inbuilt desire to do drugs. Some people have brains more susceptible to addiction, but I see no difference between choosing drugs vs alcohol or tobacco or food. Yet we declare some addictions as irredeemable and others as legal.

>>17800682
I'm not trying to cancel him, what he is saying is utterly deranged and I want him to continue so everyone knows it, never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake

>>17800393
Nigga, the job market is teeming with illegal immigrants with zero credentials, zero references, and who can’t even fucking speak English.
>uh-uh-uh I’m homeless and smoke crack cuz they ain’t no jobs… just need some mo money fo dem programs
Shut fuck the up. If Pablo can get a job and hold down an apartment then no one has any excuse. They don’t smoke crack because they can’t get jobs, they can’t get jobs because they smoke crack - that’s the real common denominator.

>>17800779
Only in some areas. And because they live 3 people to a bedroom in a dilapidated house, doing the riskiest, poorly paid work

>>17800772
All addictions point to the same underlying pattern. Doesn’t matter if it’s food, cigarettes, alcohol or crack. And there is one thing and only one thing that can get the addict off any of this, their own choice to change their life no matter the cost. For most addicts it’s simply never going to happen, they’re probably going to die by their vice. You cannot engineer a perfect time, you cannot provide optimal conditions. There is one way and only one way for an addict to get clean, and only they alone can take responsibility for that.
Anyone with any serious experience with addiction or with addicts will tell you the same thing. The people that deny responsibility and view them as purely helpless victims are just trickling ignorant sentimental ideas downwards from their bubble, and the consequences of these bad ideas are actively making society worse

>>17800766
Most of them realize they have a problem actually. Especially with things like heroin though the force of dependance is strong and withdrawals are a nightmare

>>17800397
>>17800681
>stating facts is /pol/
OP just posted an interesting quote by Lee Kuan Yew and asked a rather obvious question.

Why doesn't London have unattended new stands anymore? Why does it no longer have such a high trust society that the vast majority of people willingly took 1 newspaper and put their money in the pot despite there being zero consequences to theft? It can't possibly be due to poverty, people were still on ration books back then. Why can't we have that today?

A society without high levels of stabbings, acid throwing, constant muggings, violence, periodic looting and arson under the guise of "protests" and pakistani grooming gangs raping white kids and getting away with it?
>Fuck. You. Can. Not. Have. That.

>>17800795
Living 3 people to a bedroom is better than being homeless. And the reason the illegals do it is because they know it’s just temporary until they can get a more solid foothold in terms of finances and network. You’ve literally got illegals running their own business all across America.
>doing the riskiest, poorly paid work
Also better than being homeless. Unless you are a lazy bum that would rather live in the most humiliating squalor possible than work hard.
Also this isn’t even entirely true. Illegals can be found in every random unskilled job, and especially anything that pays in cash. From cleaning ladies, to fruit pickers, to Uber drivers, to gardeners. Even some skilled manual occupations will often have illegals if they have the ways and means to keep them off the books, again, usually ones that deal mainly in cash.

>>17800797
Anti-scientific puritan babble. Personal initiative plays a part in substance issues but it's still a medical phenomenon. You can foster conditions conducive to recovery or you can aggravate it, and you can definitely provide access to resources for treatment.

>>17800797
>just... choose to be better
>no we aren't going to stop trying to kill you regardless if you do or don't, that would make society worse

>>17800810
>Why doesn't London have unattended new stands anymore?
>Why does it no longer have such a high trust society that the vast majority of people willingly took 1 newspaper and put their money in the pot despite there being zero consequences to theft?
Not many people use them? Paper media is dead. Kinda retarded to use that as meteicnkf trust when you had government cover up scandals, actively stripping services and infrastructure, sex abuse scandal cover ups, tax evasion, and the state burning through all the North Sea oil with a lot of the profits stashed away in tax havens

>>17800811
A lot of work will require the stability afforded by a place to stay in the first place. If you have a place to sleep without worrying about being harassed by police or killed by a serial killer, it's a lot easier.

>>17800799
Of course they do, it’s obvious it’s a problem. They’re still going to keep coming back because whatever problem it is that they have is bigger than the actual chemical dependence. You see the same patterns in cigarette smokers where the dependence is actually very weak and the withdrawals are almost imperceptible, it just happens to be much more functional and sustainable as an addiction.
But at the end of the day the only way to stop doing heroin, is to decide to stop doing heroin. Making a heroin addiction as sustainable and safe as possible isn’t going to make that happen, making a heroin addiction as punishing and degrading as possible isn’t going to make that happen, only the addict can make that happen because it’s primarily a matter of moral responsibility.

>>17800778
>I want him to continue
What exactly?

>>17800824
The issue is that with heroin in particular you can't expect most people to simply quit cold turkey even if they're determined to. Heroin withdrawal is a nightmare and probably unsafe unless you're medically supervised

>>17800810
i live in london and i noticed a similar thing while in copenhagen. there's no barriers for the metro and i haven't encountered a single fare inspector. yet everyone pays. here people often just jump over barriers, walk through behind someone else, or kiss teeth at bossman until he lets them through. it's definitely some kind of mix of poverty and cultural shamelessness.

>>17800812
Okay, explain then what exactly conditions conducive to recovery even are? Because you have millionaire heroin addicts with wide networks of support that can afford heroin for life just as much as you have junkies with AIDS shooting up under the bridge. Both of them have the same dilemma, choosing to stop taking heroin.
The first and most major condition to enabling recovery is recognising the addict alone has the power to make their own life better. Anyone with any practical idea what they’re on about on this particular subject will tell you the same thing, from AA to Allen Carr to actual recovered addicts.
>Anti-scientific puritan babble
Have you ever seen any actual proof or evidence for your model of addiction or do you just presume it’s scientific because it aligns with western liberal ideological orthodoxy? Because, fact is, since adopting this kind of thinking en masse addiction epidemics have only gotten worse with no end in sight. This sentimental nonsense is about as scientific as homeopathy. And what will you notice in countries that have avoided this epidemic? They don’t drink this unsubstantiated kool aid.

>>17800816
Who’s trying to kill addicts?
All I’m saying is that the only person that can actually make them stop doing drugs is themselves, because they are the ones putting them in. It’s not society’s fault, it’s not anyone else’s responsibility to magically cure them, only they can do that - and the only way is to decide to stop doing drugs.

>>17800834
Right, which is why the law should not hesitate to incarcerate addicts for their own protection. More heroin addicts get clean in prison than anywhere else purely because it eliminates any hope of relapse. Sadly permissive justice is allowing drugs to creep into prison now too.

>>17800647
>stabbings
pass common sense knife control
>acid attacks
isn't that usually done to BIPOC women?
>grooming gangs
your elites do it too, look at Prince Andrew or Jimmy Savile. It's awful and you should overthrow your ruling class over it

>>17800857
Correct.
NazBol revolution is the only solution. Until we follow the glorious shining path laid out before us by the People’s Republic of China and march the decadent western elite and their niggerbeast pets into a gas-gulag there will be no salvation for EVROPA

>>17800860
>PRC
Shithole that's poorer than Mexico (a literal failed state). Or did you actually get cowed by their cheap LED displays and heckin architecture like the caveman that you are?

>>17800865
Individual wealth does not matter, civilisational wealth matters. And the fact is China represents a civilisation with a future while the west represents a civilisation that is near death. Thus why the Jewnited States of Weimerica fears the Middle Kingdom so much, it is utterly reliant on it, and it is being surpassed by it in every meaningful metric.
We can either embrace Xi Jinping thought, and save the west. Or cling to the ignorant delusions of 20th century liberalism and be entombed with them under an avalanche of gay niggers.

>>17800821
>Crackheads
>Harassed by police
The police will not bat an eye at a crackhead unless they’re literally seconds away from brutally murdering someone or obstructing high-traffic commercial business operations. In broad daylight in full public view I’ve seen crackheads smoking up, buying, selling, fighting, fucking, committing random petty vandalism, stealing, breaking into private apartment complexes - the cops never give a fuck, yet on a daily basis there’s always something.
I have however seen them rush IGA in a team of six to grab a shoplifter.

>>17800873
>le civilizational future
It's such a dead civilization that people don't even want to have kids there anymore to save them from the hell of living in China

>>17800924
Ah yes, the west, well known for its thriving fertility.
Lmao. At least China actually acknowledges it as a problem that needs a solution rather than just choosing to ethnically replace itself with the third world so the usury pyramid doesn’t collapse.

>>17800934
>um ackshually it doesn't count if they're brown o algo
Mutt and proud

>>17800969
Africanised IQ post

>>17800977

>>17800854
Source?
Detoxing from heroin without medical supervision is basically a form of torture, just like a lot of what passes for health services in US jails and prisons.
FYI, it's not permissiveness that lets drugs into prisons, unless you mean lax discipline of guards, which is an issue. Most contraband that gets into facilities in the US comes through staff.

>>17797738
they're convinced they'd be the tophat wearing aristocrats, not part of the 99% living in squalor
same energy as asking why they shouldn't be allowed to hire people for $1/day to pick fruit but never asking why they shouldn't be allowed to hire themselves out for $1/day to pick fruit

>>17800650
no you don't understand per capita data is a jewish trick to make you accept your own genocide

>>17800865
>Shithole that's poorer than Mexico (a literal failed state).
Wrong on both fronts.

>>17801230
Let me guess. Mexishartican?

>>17801114
>Source that location of involuntary confinement with zero heroin in it that also serves as the eventual residence of many heroin addicts causes them to detox from heroin.
15% of the entire incarcerated population of the United States enters the system as heroin addicts. Rikers Island alone witnesses about 18,000 detoxes a year, granted that particular prison does offer prisoners methadone based withdrawal programs.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2838492/
>Most contraband that gets into facilities in the US comes through staff.
Which is itself another manifestation of permissive justice, very literally. Corruption is just another form of criminality. Not to mention the drug trade in prison stands on a vast network of people within and without, not least of all gangs. Even drugs smuggled in by COs are sourced from somewhere and ultimately sold by someone.

>>17800650
>Bring robbed was literally so unremarkable that most people never even bothered reporting those cases
This is circular logic.
Crime was common, and if statistics show otherwise it’s because crime was so common that no one reported it. At no point do you actually prove your initial premise that crime was more common than it is now.

>>17801569
Looks like methadone treatment is the best option rather than cold turkey then. No disagreement on smuggling being an extension of organized crime, but there's no avoiding that the tough on crime approach can foster that if it means expanding prison facilities drastically and worsening conditions of confinement while not disciplining guards and staff

>>17801658
That’s actually hotly debated and many addicts fear methadone far more than they do cold turkey withdrawal because they see what it does to their peers. Methadone is in many ways even more dangerous than heroin is, it’s also extremely addictive and unlike heroin the withdrawal can actually kill you. Methadone in a tightly controlled program like in a prison can be very effective. But it’s not a panacea to heroin addiction, there’s many that wind up just getting hardcore addicted to methadone and dying to that instead.
>worsening conditions of confinement while not disciplining guards and staff
I’m not talking about worsening the conditions of confinement. I’m saying that addiction is primarily a personal, moral problem. Better conditions or worse conditions don’t change the equation. The and only thing that can actually change the equation is the addict taking responsibility for their own recovery, this isn’t about punishing criminals or making an example of them, it’s just literally the same thing AA, NA, or any other rehab support group will tell you. Psychologically speaking that’s the only way to permanently break the pattern of addiction. Even if you take every heroin addict and put them in Guantamo Bay with zero heroin and daily water boarding for even thinking about heroin, they’ll still probably immediately relapse the second they’re out unless they actually internalised a sincere moral transformation. My point about rehabilitationist justice isn’t that the justice system should be draconian just for the sake of cruelty, it’s that it displaces responsibility from the actual individual onto external forces. Which is antithetical to the mentality an addict actually needs to have to recover.
But yes corruption among COs and the police should be taken extremely seriously.

>>17793017 (OP)
They lost WWII in a roundabout way and never could quite recover. Pair that with a political class that actively sabotaged the Empire and the home islands and you get the UK of today. They've had periods of recession and decline, but I think this one is final, barring a significant revolution they will never become the globe spanning empire they once were again.

>>17802634
How does that translated into crime rates despite the economy recovering and people certainly being more prosperous by the 60s?

>>17799902
>lee kuan yew
>Donald Trump
Donald Trump is a retard and doesn't deserve to be equated to great statesmen like Lee.

>>17802702
Because of who they lost WWII to. They didn't lose to Germany, they lost to America and the Soviet Union.

>>17802702
Nigga I have air conditioning unlike 99% of human history but that doesn’t mean society as a whole is not declining

>>17802799
>but that doesn’t mean society as a whole is not declining
Untrue by any meaningful standard

>>17802706
Trump may be retarded but he is a great statesmen nonetheless, faggot

>>17802803
You’re right, Trump is making America great again

>>17802846
>>17802841
>>>/pol/

>>17802803
>we've never had better trans rights!
>finally society accepts pregnant men!
and what do you think will happen when all the white leftists are minority and the country looks like islamabad, do you think because the prophet muhammad rapes kids and pakistanis form rape gangs to rape white kids in the UK that they are sexual degenerates like you deep down?

incidentally the rape gang thing began in the 1990s so we can talk about it

>>17801742
This actually sounds reasonable - I was under the impression this was just another hard-ass authoritarian take until I read closely lol. Reminds me of a parallel phenomenon in mental health care. Mental illness is manageable and a support network (friends and family) and non aggravating environment can help a lot, but the prognosis is poorer if the patient can't or won't comply with treatment and/or there's nobody to ensure and follow up with them if they're dependent on a caregiver.

how did we go from the moon landings to the forced worship of george floyd and transfolx of color, it's insane when you think about it

it would be like rome opening its doors to barbarians, not in the 4th century but the 1st

>>17804733
NASA was stripped of funding by multiple presidents. Imagine being stuck 5 years in the past.

>>17803947
>incidentally the rape gang thing began in the 1990s so we can talk about it
Criminals were already picking out kids in organized groups prior to that. not to mention government and government owned companies enabling it through covering it up or having their own public figures noncing about

>>17804733
Because we sent people to the lunar surface 6 times already by 1972 and Congress didn't see a point in going a 7th time so taxpayers encouraged NASA to focus on other projects, leading to the Apollo Applications Program, Skylab, and the Space Shuttle instead

>>17800647
That sheboon doing the ape face in the middle.

>>17793017 (OP)
Delusional

>>17804850
>opening her mouth.
>lol sheboon
Why are chuds like this?

>>17798156
>>17798169
>>17799901
>>17800533
>>17806085
>muh shop at a train station with armed guards and security cameras with a bargain bin
>I don't understand per capita *chirp*
Why are you people utterly convinced London was a crime ridden ghetto with daily stabbings in the 1940s despite all the evidence posted in this thread? Do you watch peaky blinders with heroic gangs of gypsies and jews fighting against evil wypipo and think it is reality or something? I am always astounded how the most low tier state funded propaganda actually works on people.

>>17806293
If you want to be taken seriously dont immediately reveal your hand by posting a pic with a label whining that britain didn't surrender to shitler

>>17800592

>>17806293
>that caption
Literally "if you beat your enemies, they win" kek

>>17806293
>Why are you people utterly convinced London was a crime ridden ghetto with daily stabbings in the 1940s despite all the evidence posted in this thread?
because we have the memoirs of those who lived through those centuries, and we know the usual precautions they took for granted which we'd think would be more fit for a failed state. and because this thread is shit until we have not dicussed the Sweaters, the Mohocks and all the other London gangs. this "London was paradise before niggers/atheists/jews/whoever" schtick is a total fabrication in the class of "medieval peasants barely worked" and other bullshit /pol/ so proudly pretends to believe.

>>17806293
You do realize that the Peaky Blinders were a real gang and they were basically all white right? They fought other gangs and so on
Hell in America, we had the Mafia - but also the Irish and Jewish mobs, with plenty of white and black gangs in the mix

>>17806301
better a german danzig corridor than pakistani rape gangs

>>17793017 (OP)
Shitskinning.

>>17794170
Singapore is basically China but smaller, pretend to be democratic instead of socialist to appease westerners

>>17807547
Deng essentially modeled his economic reforms to copy Singapore. The island is essentially a police state masquerading as an open-air mall

>>17807099
in real life, in the tv show they had to make cillian murphy half gypsy and generally fill the show with social statements or it wouldn't receive funding from studios, advertising and get aired

>>17808086
Why would it be so weird for an Irish traveller and Roma to mix, the entire plot is obviously fictional so why is this the thing that bugs you
Also that makes it even worse for your argument that Britain was safe before le coloreds

>>17808113
they very obviously did that for "diversity", they don't even try to hide it

low IQ people move to high IQ countries and shit up their high trust low crime communities, that is exactly what happened and the evidence is overwhelming

>>17809210
Ok. If anything that's anti-woke, Cilian Murphy is a white guy playing a half-Roma person you mong. Again, the reality of the Peaky Blinders being all white disproves any concept that England was safe before the brown people showed up. It's way way safer now than it used to be back then in the cities.

>>17809214
The US, UK, etc had trouble even before mass immigration (though here in the US most of us come from immigrants lol)

>>17809303
London has higher crime rates now than it has for the past 300 years

they're unironically in the middle of an apocalypse level event

>>17809351
London had literal slums well into the last century and law enforcement was much less professional and organized until the Victorian era. I highly doubt London in 1750 for example was that safe.

>>17806293
I don't know that it was a total dump, I just am doubtful that it was some nearly crime free utopia.

>>17809364
London was basically los angeles in the mid 17th century, with economic turmoil until the 18th century, but by then it had really calmed down to virtually no crime, especially in the countryside. There was a slight bump in the 1930's but it was negligible compared to places like the US. They've basically gone from being a utopia to the average midwestern american city getting seeded with "new jersey men" which are just cartel members and assorted global illegals, like chinese growing weed illegally in the US and selling it at dispensaries and it being laced with heavy metals.