Thread 17793245 - /his/ [Archived: 786 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:55:57 PM No.17793245
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>Yes, our country started by declaring independence from the British Empire
>But nooooooooo you can't declare independence from us now!!!!!!
How did the North respond to this? Legally speaking, weren't the southern states within their rights to secede?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:58:42 PM No.17793250
>>17793245 (OP)
>weren't the southern states within their rights to secede?
No
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:02:29 PM No.17793260
>>17793245 (OP)
No
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:03:36 PM No.17793261
The confederates should have just bugged out to South Africa to form the Draka state and wait for a century before taking over America.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:06:40 PM No.17793265
>>17793245 (OP)
The British fought us over it and we had to beat them to gain our indepence. That's almost always how secession works. No government wants to lose a chunk of population and territory if they can help it. The law doesn't factor in to it.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:11:23 PM No.17793281
>>17793250
>>17793260
>No
Why not?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:59:51 PM No.17793532
>>17793265
this is the answer
no state ever has the "right" to secede. you either fight for independence and win and declare it legal after the fact, or you fight and lose and then get branded traitors
the british colonists won so it was legal, the confederates lost so it was illegal
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:02:06 PM No.17793537
>>17793281
Because goyim are cattle in the eyes of jews. You're a slave to your jewish overlords. The United States was founded on jewish and freemasonic principles, of course you can't just get independence from the federation. The federal government is your master and you're his slave. Shalom.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:22:48 PM No.17793603
>>17793245 (OP)
>HWite labor?!?! Instead of negro labor?!?!
>RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Why did Southoids hate seeing white men being able to provide for their white families?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:23:16 PM No.17793605
>>17793537
why not stay on /pol/
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:24:13 PM No.17793607
>>17793261
Or at least to some South American shithole, but instead they took the most retarded option possible and took on their industrialized neighbors
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:24:21 PM No.17793609
>muh laws
>muh constitution
might makes right.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:41:43 PM No.17793658
>>17793245 (OP)
I guess my question has always been, what exactly did the North do? The Declaration of Independence outlines like 50+ crimes the King of England did. The Founding Fathers went through several resolutions and compromises like the Olive Branch Petition. The colonies had no representation in Parliament due to the asinine idea of virtual representation. So there was an unsolved issue of taxation without representation, along with actual dictator shit like quartering of troops and shutting down harbors.

As far as I understand it, South Caroline seceded because... Lincoln won the election? They left before he was even inaugurated. The mere idea of losing their slaves, the only right the South found worth seceding over, was enough to make them chimp out. No compromises. No petitions. Just full on chimp out and RHEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

I found the Declaration of Independence to be a work of last resort by the Founders. These were men who cared deeply about how they would be viewed by history and ensuring their arguments stood the test of time. Reading the secession documents, it's mostly autistic screeching about slavery with nonexistent specifics to back it out.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:43:49 PM No.17793661
>>17793245 (OP)
Maryland didn't secede.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:47:02 PM No.17793671
>>17793245 (OP)
There is no rational argument. They were just imposing their will, and fuck you if you don't like it. Might makes right
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:59:50 PM No.17794013
>>17793532
>>17793609
Jewish faux-morality.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:02:36 PM No.17794018
>>17793281
They didn't follow the proper channels and lodged no formal complaints before they started shooting. No, bitching about "Northern tyranny" doesn't count as a formal complaint. It's feminine warbling.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:03:22 PM No.17794022
>>17793603
Note how these Mexicans always go straight to the planters, as if they were the only Southerners who existed. Most Southerners were just white men managing their own property, and in the upland South they often viewed planter paternalism with the same disgust as in the north. But unfortunately they had to secede and fight for their existence anyway when they realized they were being made targets as well. If you own niggers, Lincoln wanted you dead. If you didn't, he wanted you dead as well. The real crime was being an independent white man.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:04:14 PM No.17794025
>>17794022
>Most Southerners were just white men managing their own property
Nope. The South was dominated by an underclass of poor whites who didn't own shit but a shack and worked land that wasn't their own. Serfdom in all but name.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:09:25 PM No.17794035
>>17794018
The North had been looting the South with tariffs for decades and launched a war to keep the plunder rolling so it wouldn't run out of corporate welfare subsidies, though eventually the war also became a war of negro liberation. Quit deflecting and defend the invasion for what it was actually about: ushering in gilded age corruption and negro civil rights.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:10:27 PM No.17794038
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>>17793245 (OP)
The South never formally declared independence from the North though you retards. There was never a Southern Declaration of Independence. The CSA never gained legitimacy with any European Great Power because nobody wanted to support one of the last holdouts of an archaic system of economics and labor, not even Britain, who sympathized with the South over Cottin tarrifs

The North operated under the idea that the South never even seceded in the first place, and that Southern States were still part of the greater USA and were temporarily occupied by violent retards
This means the CSA was NEVER a legitimate state at any point in its short history. The Colonies drafted a list of grievances against the British Crown, they drafted a Declaration of Independence, and they finally gained legitimacy through the Treaty of Paris. Stop making this comparison for fucks sake
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:15:42 PM No.17794053
>>17794035
>North had been looting the South with tariffs for decades
Considering how the South dominated the house and Senate they could have stopped it at any time if they weren't retarded
>and launched a war to keep the plunder rolling
After the South shot first and violated the NAP, meaning we had every right to do whatever the fuck we wanted to them
>so it wouldn't run out of corporate welfare subsidies
Citation needed
>though eventually the war also became a war of negro liberation.
Yeah. Sherman noted in his diaries that any soldiers who doubted the cause of abolition pretty much instantly changed their tunes when they saw what slavery entailed.
>Quit deflecting
I know you are but what am I?
>defend the invasion for what it was actually about: ushering in gilded age corruption and negro civil rights
I can't defend a position that's based entirely on your geopolitical cuckold fantasy
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:19:26 PM No.17794067
>>17794013
>t. Judah P Benjamin simp
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:33:29 PM No.17794100
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>>17794035
The whole tariff shit is retarded from the Southerners POV.
>Tariff of Abominations
>John C Calhoun and Martin Van Buren with other Southerners thought they crafted a tariff bill so awful it'd never past the New England.
>Tariff the shit out of everything
>The goal was to write a bill so badโ€”so "abominable"โ€”that it would never pass but would help Van Buren and the Southerners while hurting the Adams-Clay coalition.
>New Englanders actually thought it was a good idea
>Bill passes.
>picrel
The South had a pretty good minority in both houses of congress to oppose tariffs. The worst one literally only passed because they wanted to FAFO and play political games instead of actually governing. D*xoids have no one to blame but themselves.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:37:28 PM No.17794117
>>17794025
>If I lie on the internet, I win.
This is definitely more true after the war though. When the South was conquered, carpetbaggers allied with negroes to set up puppet states that heavily increased taxes which often went directly into their pockets. Many Southerners had to switch over from subsistence farming for themselves to cash crops to pay for the extortion.
>>17794053
>Yeah. Sherman noted in his diaries that any soldiers who doubted the cause of abolition pretty much instantly changed their tunes when they saw what slavery entailed.
By "noted" you mean changed his tune for self-serving reasons. His only real concern was punishing the South for the crime of choosing to live under a different government. But given that you don't believe in his moral code that the South was "common property" and the federal government was sovereign, it's hard to see what we have to debate here.
>After the South shot first and violated the NAP
But robbery isn't violating the NAP? Quit joking around and make a point already. You've put yourself in a position where you've admitted the war was entirely about looting, so just defend it now.
>Citation needed
If you don't know about Lincoln's fanatical adherence to the American system then you know nothing about the man and aren't qualified to talk with me.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:39:10 PM No.17794121
>>17793245 (OP)
i wish sherman killed more people and that the north governemnt actually went thru with what lincoln had planned. i also wish that the republicans were as based as back then
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:44:02 PM No.17794136
>>17794053
>the south dominated the senate
northern democrats were only aligned with southern democrats on westward expansion. most of the people to the west of the east coast are descended from southerners.

Stephen Douglas, the northern democrat candidate, was a Jacksonian in Illinois,l liek most midwestern settlers and politicians in the 30's and 40's. He used his influence to gain power with Van Buren, who was a stereotypical rich guy who only cared about the north since he was born in manhattan and was a full blooded dutchman. So you see, there's great nuance even within parties. Van buren was by all respects a whig but called himself a democrat because that's what his father did and because of this he was handed political control.

Douglas was a demagogue who championed low tariffs in order to get votes, and actively campaigned for all the great leaders of the time, but he did nothing to actually resolve that issue because he could not politically afford to go against the massive businesses building up in the midwest.

Nobody in the US resolved the issue of tariffs until the 1910's when the mustache twirling republicans forced us to pay income taxes in exchange for 10 years of lower tariffs. So no, the northern democrats did not team up with actual democrats to lower tariffs.

Northern democrats were more "hands off" "whatever" about issues and weren't direct allies of the south.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:45:32 PM No.17794141
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>>17794117
>Many Southerners had to switch over from subsistence farming for themselves to cash crops to pay for the extortion.
Lazy faggots finally started having a surplus and you frame it as a complaint?
>Tacitly admits I'm right despite calling me a liar
I accept your concession, faggot.

>By "noted" you mean changed his tune for self-serving reasons.
Wrong.
>His only real concern was punishing the South for the crime of choosing to live under a different government.
No, it was destroying the capacity of the South to continue to engage in a pointless waste of human life when they were already beaten.
>But given that you don't believe in his moral code that the South was "common property" and the federal government was sovereign, it's hard to see what we have to debate here.
There's nothing to say because you're an emotional weakling with the heart of a woman who doesn't acknowledge the truth when he's staring at it, lest his carefully constructed fantasy reality come crashing down.
>robbery isn't violating the NAP?
Tariffs and taxes aren't theft. The South agreed to them and paid them. They had the power to change them. They chose not to.
>Quit joking around and make a point already.
I already did and you're too fucking stupid to understand it.
>You've put yourself in a position where you've admitted the war was entirely about looting
Incorrect
>so just defend it now.
I don't take orders from maggots and losers, especially regarding shit I didn't say
>If you don't know about Lincoln's fanatical adherence to the American system then you know nothing about the man and aren't qualified to talk with me.
Boo hoo hoo bitchtits. I've heard your bullshit line of rhetoric before. Yours contains inherent contradictions. Mine doesn't.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:49:35 PM No.17794151
>>17794136
>So no, the northern democrats did not team up with actual democrats to lower tariffs.
>Northern democrats were more "hands off" "whatever" about issues and weren't direct allies of the south
The failure of the Democrats to form a coalition to stop tariffs doesn't reflect poorly on anyone but them. Weaklings.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:49:51 PM No.17794152
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>>17794100
I'm not interested in your negrolike "It's your fault I stole your stuff, whitey" comment. Either start justifying Northern policy or admit you have nothing to say here.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:51:45 PM No.17794158
>>17794151
people to this day don't know how tariffs work so it's not their fault
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:52:25 PM No.17794159
>>17794152
>Newspapers and op eds are government policy/justification
Lmao snowflake
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:53:26 PM No.17794162
>>17794158
>It's not the politicians fault for the policies they tacitly permitted
Cope
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:59:15 PM No.17794176
>>17794162
You see the same thing today, congress writes legislation to weaken itself so they don't have to make any decisions and keep their jobs. The civil war was largely caused by ineffective politicians I agree, but more on the industrial side.

The US from its founding to 1890 was nothing but an industrially and financially min maxed machine which is why they (((they))) pushed for tariffs, the people actually in charge. It was pretty common in the republican party to support tariffs because they were told that it helped business, which helps everybody.

They didn't see the bird's eye view of (((them))) importing millions of losers from God knows where to fill out their shitty factories pushing natives west, literally ethnically replacing the northeast in order to develop it as fast as possible.

And they were also game with westward expansion, which was the demo trying to get out of the box that the south wash trying to prevent, the military imperial complex of the north augmented with southern expansionism. Well the end result is the dysfunctional US empire which imports third world shitskins for labor for no reason
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:02:29 AM No.17794185
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>>17794159
Take it up with Lincoln, not me. The only thing he cared about was rapid growth to make the federal government and a few business magnates more powerful, even if it impoverished regular Americans to do so.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:03:48 AM No.17794189
>>17794185
>Ignores the last line
Dixiecuck can't read. Imagine my surprise
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:04:25 AM No.17794192
>>17794189
>there will be no invasion
>invades
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:10:40 AM No.17794206
>>17794018
>They didn't follow the proper channels
What would those be?
>and lodged no formal complaints before they started shooting
Even if they didn't, what law says you have to formally give complaints before you can secede? Do the complaints have to be accepted by the federal government?

>>17794038
>The South never formally declared independence from the North though you retards. There was never a Southern Declaration of Independence.
The individual states did, so the point remains.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:11:29 AM No.17794208
The south is why we have niggers and for that they get my endless hatred
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:12:57 AM No.17794212
>>17794206
>The individual states did, so the point remains.
States like Kentucky had no choice, they were pressured into joining the South despite wanting to remain neutral
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:13:34 AM No.17794213
>>17794208
Actually that's the north which believes that importing dysgenic slaves is fine because they will never have to live with them.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:13:45 AM No.17794214
>>17794192
Maybe they shouldn't have shot first lol
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:14:44 AM No.17794217
>>17794214
Didn't happen, lincoln was caught trying to sneak soldiers in to a fort he explicitly said he wouldn't. The entire civil war was caused by some hick from kentucky doing the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:16:56 AM No.17794223
>>17794189
I didn't ignore the last line, he's still promising an invasion if his will isn't obeyed there, but softening the blow by pointing out he will only invade for the sake of collecting tariffs. Are you retarded?
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:17:54 AM No.17794225
>>17794206
>What would those be?
Look them up, retard.
>Even if they didn't, what law says you have to formally give complaints before you can secede?
The law of the United States of America
>Do the complaints have to be accepted by the federal government?
They have to be heard. Whether or not the feds accept them is beyond the point because it starts the formal process of secession and allows the states to vote for it. Problem is, they didn't. They started shooting and declared secession without asking the government or population. They fucked up, took a gamble on nothing but spec, and lost. Game over. Thanks for playing.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:18:45 AM No.17794227
>>17793245 (OP)
>>Yes, our country started by declaring independence from the British Empire
I mean there was a whole war over that, buddy.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:19:17 AM No.17794229
>>17794225
>Look them up, retard.
They don't exist, retard.
>The law of the United States of America
That's not a law
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:19:20 AM No.17794230
>>17794208
By this logic you would only hate the planters of the Deep South, but we know you hate the hilly Upper South as well because you just love white genocide. Not to mention how you support a war to free blacks and unleash them from their containment zone. Why all the lies? Nobody is falling for this show you're putting on.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:20:38 AM No.17794234
>>17794217
Lincoln was under no obligation to surrender federal property. Nor was the flight of the Union troops to fort Sumter after being chased from a land fort by rebels unjustified. The South fired the first shots. It's not a question. It's a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings. All I'm hearing is "muh feels muh feels muh feels" and that simply doesn't convince me.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:22:27 AM No.17794237
>>17794229
>They don't exist, retard.
Yeah they did.
>The United States doesn't exist
Lmao the fuckin delusion on display. The CONFEDERACY doesn't exist, dipshit. It lasted less time than most people's emo phase. I went to college for longer than the Confederacy existed.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:22:28 AM No.17794238
>>17794234
Lincoln was under every obligation, all other southern forts had yielded without issue, lincoln said he wasn't going to put his men in south carolina, he lied and got caught, he's the one that caused the civil war
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:23:19 AM No.17794240
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I will once again remind the retards on this board that the south was ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ITS SECESSION
You cannot argue against the south seceding yet support the founding fathers. It's one or the other.
> in 1776 slave owning, traitorous aristocrats secede from their home nation and decide to create their own nation
>this is seen as good, is celebrated, and is seen as a truimph for freedom and democracy
>in 1861 slave owning, traitorous aristocrats secede from their home nation and decide to create their own nation
>this is seen as the worst thing ever
Why is it like this? I still haven't received a coherent explanation as to why slave owning aristocrats fighting against their mother country is good in one scenario but bad in another
>inb4 the american revolutionaries fought for freedom
the american whigs fought against their government because they weren't allowed to genocide red indians and because catholics in quebec were given equal rights. They were whigs of the 18th century not the hippy dippy liberals that post 1960 america has tried to portray them as. the confederates were just continuing on with that radical whig tradition of self governance
>y-you're a southerner
i'm british
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:24:23 AM No.17794244
>>17794238
>Lincoln was under every obligation
Wrong. No president is under the obligation to bow to threats of force from rebels
>all other southern forts had yielded without issue
Bad move on his part.
>Lincoln said he wasn't going to put his men in south carolina
He changed his mind after the South besieged a federal fort. As is his right
>he lied and got caught, he's the one that caused the civil war
Incorrect.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:25:24 AM No.17794248
>>17794240
Ok Rajesh
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:25:49 AM No.17794253
The South would've collapsed one way or another even if they did win the war. As other anons pointed out, the South never signed a Declaration of Independence, since that was the job of individual states to de-facto declare independence through secession because the South was anti-federalist. But this also means the only thing uniting Southern States was contrarianism against the North and a network of wealthy landowners hellbent on keeping their wealth through slavery. The problem with this is slavery is not a sustainable economic system, the slaves that contribute to the economy are unable to participate in it, which limits economic growth. This is something the North and every other European Great power learned way before the Civil War started, but the South held onto slavery because Plantation Owners had too much skin in the game and were too integrated into Southern governments at that point. Eventually slavery would have to end, and at that point there would be nothing keeping the South together. As Abraham Lincoln pointed out, if states could unilaterally secede then there would be no point in having a union of states to begin with.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:26:01 AM No.17794254
>>17794244
>making up fanfiction
every day you disprove pro union sentiment on /his/ with your retardation
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:27:03 AM No.17794257
>>17794237
>Yeah they did.
How is that possible if it doesn't exist?
>The United States is a law
I doubt you were ever accepted into a college
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:27:11 AM No.17794258
>>17794253
The south was actually rapidly industrializing thanks to the crippling tariffs, an untold side effect
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:28:48 AM No.17794263
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>>17794244
>Wrong. No president is under the obligation to bow to threats of force from rebels
So you agree that lincoln was a tyrant
>>17794253
>SOUTHERN PLANTATION OWNERS ARE GOOD IN 1776 BUT IN 1861 THEYRE THE BAD GUYS
You yankee simps are so fucking retarded it's hilarious
>slavery isn't sustainable
which is why america lasted over 200 years with slavery being legal? If slavery wasn't sustainable then why didn't virginia collapse in the 1670s after having slavery for 60 years? why didn't north carolina collapse in the 1760s after having slavery for 100 years?
>>17794248
I cluster and collate with my southern brethren across the pond
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:31:07 AM No.17794270
>>17794263
>which is why america lasted over 200 years with slavery being legal?
Slavery is the reason the South was a poor shithole and is probably the reason its still a poor shithole to this day. Abolishionism is why the North ended up more industrialized than the South, slavery was not universally legal in the United States for 200 years, you're being very reductionist. Slavery is why some states ended up stunted economically over others.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:31:23 AM No.17794272
I'd like to remind this board that far from the stratified society it's often portrayed as, the south was remarkably free and socially mobile for whites
Most of the "southern slaveowner gentry" actually descended from poor and yeoman whites. Andrew Jackson was born in a log cabin yet because one of the richest men in the south. Same with Bedford Forrest.
The south resembled medieval and early modern england-aristocratic, paternalistic yet socially mobile and free, compared to the robber baron industrialist uled northern states.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:32:22 AM No.17794279
>>17794213
>>17794230
The south cursed us with them. It's your fault. Only one Sherman's march wasnt enough.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:33:14 AM No.17794282
>>17794253
My question is on the legality of it. Where in the declaration of independence or constitution does it say that states can never leave the union?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:33:36 AM No.17794284
>>17794270
>Slavery is the reason the South was a poor shithole and is probably the reason its still a poor shithole to this day
The south was wealthy
Charleston was america's wealthiest city before the age of industrilisation, which the north only acheived faster because it was closer to europe, cooler in temperature and had better trade routes and a better landscape
>slavery was not universally legal in the United States for 200 years
Slavery in a state like Virginia lasted from 1619 until 1865. If slavery was unsustainable then why didn't virginia collapse in that time period you lying yankee defending rat?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:34:23 AM No.17794287
>>17794284
>The south was wealthy
No, slave owners were wealthy, the average person was a peasant
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:35:12 AM No.17794292
>>17794287
The average person in the north was a poor factory worker no different to a poor farmer in the south, retard.
Replies: >>17794295 >>17794968
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:35:26 AM No.17794294
>>17794282
It wasn't legal or illegal, the Civil War was the deciding factor that answered this question once and for all.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:36:44 AM No.17794295
>>17794292
>The average person in the north was a poor factory worker no different to a poor farmer in the south
No, because factory workers could earn wages, slaves cannot. I understand you're from the south so a huge section of your brain case is likely empty so I understand why you think this difference might be trivial but it isn't
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:38:04 AM No.17794299
>>17794279
Niggers were shipped into the US under crown authority
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:39:26 AM No.17794304
>>17794299
Which were bought by the barrel load by southerners without a care in the world what it would do to the future.
Replies: >>17794346
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:47:21 AM No.17794327
>>17794295
Slaves were treated better than factory workers
Slave owners cared for their slaves like fathers do sons
>you're from the south
I'm from britain
Replies: >>17794365
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:54:22 AM No.17794346
>>17794304
>be crown
>import niggers
>planters sell you tobacco
>show back up with your ships loaded with niggers
>planters don't have any money
>oh we'll accept tobacco
>unloads more niggers
>show back up with your ships loaded with niggers
>planters don't have any money
>start giving people land if they buy niggers
>this was before the 1700's
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:05:34 AM No.17794365
>>17794327
>Slave owners cared for their slaves like fathers do sons
Whipping them and breaking their legs if they run away? No wonder youre so fucked up, your dad did a real number on you
Replies: >>17794379
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:06:34 AM No.17794374
>>17794263
>lincoln was a tyrant
Slaughtering rebels isn't tyranny. It's pest control.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:07:52 AM No.17794379
>>17794365
Never happened, chattel slaves in the US lived parallel lives to colonists and had their own homes and chickens and gardens which they tended. They were more or less on site employees
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:09:08 AM No.17794381
>>17794022
>notice how these Mexicans
Unhinged schizotard alert
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:11:20 AM No.17794390
>>17794379
Here's a black woman living in ~80 year old slave quarters in 1940
Replies: >>17794393
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:12:23 AM No.17794393
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>>17794390
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:18:38 AM No.17794407
>>17794379
>All this cope
I accept your unconditional surrender
Replies: >>17794418
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:24:18 AM No.17794418
>>17794407
Chattel slavery being evil was demagogueraic cult created by disgruntled northern peasants during the napoleonic wars because they were adversely affected by it and blamed the south for starting the war. So of course you don't actually have an argument
Replies: >>17794422
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:25:21 AM No.17794422
>>17794418
I already accepted your surrender anon, no need to continue to embarrass yourself unless you're getting some kind of sexual thrill from it
Replies: >>17794424
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:25:51 AM No.17794424
>>17794422
Yes it would be wise of you to shut down when you actually aren't informed on anything
Replies: >>17794443
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:27:53 AM No.17794428
>>17794299
Slave trading and breeding continued even after the US banned importation of slaves. Mainly in the south and behind tedious legal battles to preserve it in many new territories opening up.
Replies: >>17794438
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:31:06 AM No.17794438
>>17794428
nobody cares, were they supposed to castrate them like the arabs?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:32:45 AM No.17794443
>>17794424
Ah, so it is a humiliation fetish for you. I won't yuck your yum, but I won't be part of your freaky sex stuff. I'm gonna go get some more beer.
Replies: >>17794447
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:33:46 AM No.17794445
>>17794438
>Nobody cares
You clearly do since it destroys your argument.
Replies: >>17794452
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:34:18 AM No.17794447
>>17794443
>suddenly gay out of nowhere
don't you have another forum where you can be gay
Replies: >>17794460
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:35:27 AM No.17794452
>>17794445
>they should have castrated the niggers like the arabs and killed half their slaves
>signed, unapologetic union supporter which validated its war by emancipating blacks
Replies: >>17794463
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:35:49 AM No.17794454
>>17794299
There was no US. What would become the US was split between Britain, Spain, and France.
Replies: >>17794457
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:36:36 AM No.17794456
>>17794438
Or just not breed them, retard. What's the point of castrating slaves? They are entirely dependent on their masters already.
Replies: >>17794459
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:36:43 AM No.17794457
>>17794454
spain and france didn't do shit. France had new orleans, st louis and some nameless forgotten cities in canada
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:37:44 AM No.17794459
>>17794456
>don't let the niggers start families!
why? it seems to make humans happy
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:38:12 AM No.17794460
>>17794447
Hey man don't get mad that I discovered your fetish and won't participate in it. If anything your need for other men to mock you for being stupid is pretty gay, but you already know that.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:38:42 AM No.17794461
>>17794299
Dishonest faggot. It was southern descendants of cavaliers who imported the most niggers because all of their indentured servants either died or finished their work contracts. It's a defining aspect of demographic and cultural split between North and south when the country was founded.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:39:14 AM No.17794463
>>17794452
Didn't say anything of the sort. They just kept importing them. Maybe they shouldn't have done that. Maybe they shouldn't have shot first. Maybe they shouldn't have lost lol
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:40:03 AM No.17794465
>>17794463
So did they import all the niggers or did they breed them? your discord of retarded mexicans need to get their narrative together
Replies: >>17794475
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:45:00 AM No.17794475
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>>17794465
The enslaved population grew because of policy. The one drop rule served to increase the categorically enslaved population.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:45:40 AM No.17794477
>>17793245 (OP)
If the states were within their right to secede, then it was within the North's right to conquer them and bring them back into the fold like they had done to the natives americans.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:46:16 AM No.17794478
>>17794475
surely a child born of a slave was not free? you can't be that retarded
Replies: >>17794491
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:50:34 AM No.17794486
>>17793250
fpbp
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:51:37 AM No.17794490
>>17793537
Don't look up who owned most of the slaves in the South or who their secretary of State was lmao
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:53:10 AM No.17794491
>>17794478
The policy was that if the mother was free, the child was free.

Enslaved women tended to have alot of children from both white and black men. It didn't matter who the father was the child would inherit the "slave" status of the mother. That's what caused the enslaved population to explode.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:56:12 AM No.17794497
>>17793603
The southern climate, especially the deep south was not a suitable envelope for white people to work in.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:07:21 AM No.17794519
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>>17794497
The southern climate, especially the deep south, is not a suitable enviornment for anyone to live in, black or white
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:44:01 AM No.17794593
>>17794491
You need to drink some water because you're not making sense. None of what you say has to do with what we were talking about. I don't care that you think black women were fucked by white men in some weird cuck fetish you have
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:50:11 AM No.17794960
>>17794185
>>17794192
lincoln said he would use any forced needed to maintain control of federal property and collect taxes owed to the federal government
slaveowners chimped out and seized a federal fort
lincoln does exactly what he said he would do, and uses force to regain control of said federal property
slaveowners: REEEEEEE TYRANT HOW DARE YOU DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO TYRANT REEEEEEEEEE
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:54:09 AM No.17794966
>>17794022
>dem plantas were gud bois sar they dindu nuffin

Shut the fuck up nigger
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:54:40 AM No.17794967
>>17794960
The very argument the south was using was that the north no longer collected taxes on the south legally, and the only way to stop it was to separate. The north didn't care about resolving the slavery issue with the south, it needed the large slave driven agricultural powerhouse of the south to feed its infernal fires to create an empire. Pretty metal in a fucked up psychopathic way
Replies: >>17794981
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:54:56 AM No.17794968
>>17794292
you're comparing the bottom 25% of the northern population to the top 25% of the southern population and making the argument that these 2 demographics were equal and somehow this is a glowing recommendation of the southern system?
the poorest people living in the north were equal to the upper end of the overall southern population. the poorest southerners, the slaves, were so unbelievably poor there is no northern population you can even compare them to
but of course you don't think the slaves were people so that doesn't matter to you
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:56:36 AM No.17794973
>>17794968
Southerners had far more wealth in real tangible assets like livestock and arable land while the gutter rats in the north lived in basements that filled with sewage when it rained
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:58:06 AM No.17794979
>>17794973
Slaves were fleeing the South and escaping to the North, it even became a major political issue
Northerners were NOT fleeing to the South though
Curious...
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:58:46 AM No.17794981
>>17794967
>it needed the large slave driven agricultural powerhouse
considering the north had no access to this supposed "agricultural powerhouse" for the 4 years of war and still had a rapidly growing economy, I don't think they actually needed the slaveowners for anything
midwestern farms and imported goods could more than make up for anything the slaveowners could produce because plantations staffed by chattel slaves were beyond inefficient

>>17794973
so now you're comparing the top 1% of the south to the bottom 25% of the north to argue it was better
should we compare the top 1% of the north to the top 1% of the south? I have a feeling ol massa won't look so good compared to the steel and rail barons up north
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:00:07 AM No.17794982
>>17794981
>the north had no access to this supposed "agricultural powerhouse" for the 4 years of war and still had a rapidly growing economy
Lincoln was raping the south for all it was worth, one of the first things they took was new orleans and told the slaves to keep working

emancipation proclamation was because the south wasn't giving up
Replies: >>17794985
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:01:41 AM No.17794985
>>17794982
what agricultural goods did the city of new orleans produce?
Replies: >>17794999
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:08:33 AM No.17794999
>>17794985
And the surrounding slave plantations? cotton, sugar, rice, grain, dairy, meat. The parishes in lousiana operated the same as they did before the war, including the slave owners. This is where the KKK killed all those black militiamen and pissed off the republicans enough to try and ban guns. Despite being one of the main flagpoles of the north in the south the slaves were never emancipated in lousiana until long after the war.

The emancipation specifically stopped the freeing of slaves in the slave producing parishes in lousiana
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:17:28 AM No.17795021
>17794999
so a handful of farms in one tiny part of a single state constitutes an "agricultural powerhouse" that fuelled an economy literal an order of magnitude larger than the entire south?
again, is this supposed to make the south look good or are you proud of the south being a worthless shithole where 90% of its value came from a single city
unless of course you're lying and new orleans produced next to nothing but that means the north was totally independent of the south, while the south was totally reliant on the north as evidenced by the south producing effectively no weapons for the duration of the war and relying on weapons plundered from northern arsenals prewar
whoops!
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:18:41 AM No.17795024
>>17795021
That's a lot of assumptions from somebody that had no idea what I said existed until he just read it
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:54:49 AM No.17795365
>>17794497
Ok Yancey
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:14:57 PM No.17795652
>>17793537
/pol/tranny meltdown
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:35:37 PM No.17795693
>>17793245 (OP)
>Legally speaking, weren't the sou-
shouldn't sell human beings sorry chuddy