Why did former Soviet-sphere countries after 1991 become so based and trad compared to the degenerate soulless West?

>>17793463 (OP)
Westoids always lose to Eastchads

>>17793463 (OP)
Communism was such a devastating experience that it shell-shocked these countries into reverting towards their historical means afterwards, with the exception of NK which remains a full-on Stalinist regime.

>>17793463 (OP)
Belarus is importing 300 k jeetistanis, so not all are that trad...

>>17793463 (OP)

Stalin ethnically cleansed Central and Eastern Europe of the plague of Germans who had been shitting it up for hundreds of years, resulting in homogenous, high-trust populations.

>>17795182
>homogenous, high-trust
>Russia and Ukraine

>>17793463 (OP)
Communism encouraged the traditional nuclear family in the post-NEP era with socialist characteristics (allowing women to participate in public life and the workplace), and these conservative values were the norm up until perestroika. The west on the other hand began degenerating culturally since the 1960s with the sexual revolution. The Iron Curtain effectively shielded eastern Europe from what was happening to western europe and the entire western world. However, as it turns out, people really dont give a shit about muh traditional values when there’s limited supply of consumer goods in your country and your rival country has a fuck ton of them. So the USSR was dissolved and with an increase in consumer goods (10+ years after dissolution) came western degeneracy which has guided the lives of the youth of post-soviet russia.

Perhaps one of the hardest historical redpills to swallow is that the Soviet Union was Europe’s last chance for survival and relevance in the modern world. It was a European multinational superpower that could compete with the US and China, which are the leaders of today. The British and French empires no longer exist, Germany is a regional power. People will spit on the grave of the USSR, but the reality is that it was Europe’s last chance for historical relevance, and it was a bastion of conservative values.

>>17794011
NK is the closest to its historical mean actually, it always was an extremely authoritarian monarchy and society

>>17795230
Fair, but you could make the same argument for Stalinism in general which I think is a little disingenuous.

>>17793463 (OP)
They're poor, have no welfare state so nobody wants to move there.

>>17795224
>The USSR was the last hope for Europe and a bastion of conservative values
Do Ziggers really

>>17793463 (OP)
>based and trad
literally none of them are this, only hungary, russia, and maybe belarus come close to that.
>>17795290
he is actually correct. the internationalist ideology was repulsive, but it was basically an artificial graft onto a very grounded, soil and industry based economy. the limited immigration that existed was mostly intended to train third worlders into political and technical competence, and persuade them ideologically, so that they would go back home and make their countries self-sufficient anti-american communist bases too. very different logic compared to modern capitalist "workforce" and consumer importation.

>>17795405
>hungary
>russia
lol
lmao even

All dumb answers in this thread. They are "based" because they are poor and their lives suck. Same reason African nations are based and want to kill gays.

>>17795455
Which white people can achieve this level of basedness? Can any?

>>17793463 (OP)
lol, you've never been to any of those countries

>>17795224
>People will spit on the grave of the USSR, but the reality is that it was Europe’s last chance for historical relevance, and it was a bastion of conservative values.
Abortions, alcoholism, snitching on neighbours, atheism, low trust society. Peak conservative values.

>>17795182
>Slavic countries
>High trust

>>17795688
>>17795551
>>17795422
I'm 100% baffled by the fact that Ziggers are in such deep denial about the fact that the USSR is half-responsible for the world being the way it is today and that literal Yockey-tier meme arguments are still finding traction among younger generations.

>>17794011
I love amerimutts who know still this day know absolutely nothing about the eastern bloc society nor the purpose of various organisations and outlets.
there wuz pravda and uhhhh politburo, fucking idiotic niggers.
https://youtu.be/NX5t6VassRc?si=8Z2J_11Z9co3fzBG

>>17797803
>muh bazed natsional gommunism
Please tell me how glorious NatCom regimes like East Germany, Albania, and Romania totally didn't destroy all pre-existing social orders, introduce feminism by force, broke their national economies with their industrial autism and destroyed the environment, and militantly atheized their societies even more so than "revisionist" regimes did.

>>17793463 (OP)
>based and trad
They're all miserable third world shitholes, except for the ones which joined the EU. Really make you think.

>>17798706
>except for the ones which joined the EU
Give it a decade and they'll be no different than Germany or Britain.

>>17799389
>they'll be no different than Germany or Britain
Wealthy first world countries?

>>17799485
>Wealthy first world countries?
Low effort bait

>>17799568
Northwest Europe is still the best part of the world despite the migrant problem.
The nationalist sphere is too infected with demoralization propaganda, and many supposedly Western nationalists seem to be working on behalf of the Poles

>>17794011
>>17793463 (OP)

Communism simply inoculated these countries against liberal BS whereas capitalism slowly leads to degenerate cultural values.

>>17797703
Hard to be seen as the bastion of christian "traditionalism" when you're paying off Muslim chechens to not chimp out and a percentage of your population has HIV

>>17795688
All of those things are normal for Slavs

>i-is that a homosexual and a black man I see?! Walking down the street of the capital city of my country?!
>The crime rate went up 3%?!?!?!
>AHHHHHHHHH WE NEED TO BECOME AN REGRESSIVE AUTHORITARIAN BACKWARDS SHITHOLE RIGHT WITH HORRIFIC CORRUPTION RIGHT NOW IM GOING INSANE SAVE ME STALIN/HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>17799609
>Northwest Europe is still the best part of the world
Pretty much the only reason I haven't become a full-on self-hating American is due to the fact that I'll forever know no matter how bad it gets here, the U.S will always be in a better place than whatever the fuck has happened to the British, Dutch, or French. I'd much rather live in rural/small town America or if I HAD to move head move to Singapore so I can experience a trve liberal society without any of the lame or gay shit I'm stuck with in a Western liberal country.
>many supposedly Western nationalists seem to be working on behalf of the Poles
Most "nationalists" these days are busy torn between shilling for Israel or shilling for Russia and unintentionally or intentionally work for both; all while desperartely trying to keep Groypers, Nazis, and other nutjobs at bay (it won't work long-term because they don't actually offer or know how to do anything other than sloganeering giben they're retards at best and controlled opposition at worst).
>The nationalist sphere is too infected with demoralization propaganda
That's because "nationalism" doesn't work anymore and is no longer relevant.
>>17799611
>communism is gayer!
>no capitalism is!
The real redpill is that birth control was the spark that led to the inferno of LGBTQIA2S+, given the fact that sex became completely detatched from all traditional cultural and biological paradigms surrounding reproduction. Therefore, there became no serious moral standing on which you could oppose homosexuality, since our understanding and concept of sex was reduced to simple pleasure rather than a biological and culturally ordained ritual that continued your bloodline.

>>17799625
Singapore is literally a utopia compared to any Western country.

>>17799609
>Northwest Europe is still the best part of the world
Pretty much the only reason I haven't become a full-on self-hating American is due to the fact that I'll forever know no matter how bad it gets here, the U.S will always be in a better place than whatever the fuck has happened to the British, Dutch, or French. I'd much rather live in rural/small town America or if I HAD to move head to Singapore so I can experience a trve liberal society without any of the lame or gay shit I'm stuck with in a Western liberal country.
>many supposedly Western nationalists seem to be working on behalf of the Poles
Most "nationalists" these days are busy torn between shilling for Israel or shilling for Russia and unintentionally or intentionally working for both; all while desperartely trying to keep Groypers, Nazis, and other nutjobs at bay (it won't work long-term because they don't actually offer or know how to do anything other than sloganeering given they're actual retards at best and controlled opposition at worst).
>The nationalist sphere is too infected with demoralization propaganda
That's because "nationalism" doesn't work anymore and is no longer relevant.
>>17799611
>communism is gayer!
>no capitalism is!
The real redpill is that birth control was the spark that led to the inferno of LGBTQIA2S+ burning down any liberal society, given the fact that sex has become completely detatched from all traditional cultural and biological paradigms surrounding reproduction. Therefore, there became no serious moral standing on which you could oppose homosexuality, since our understanding and concept of sex was reduced to simple pleasure rather than a biological and culturally ordained ritual that continued your bloodline.

>>17800025
Germany is 80% white German and UK is 75% white British
What percent of America is still of German, Irish, or British stock? Maybe 45%?

>>17800071
>Germany is 80% white German and UK is 75% white British
Both of these countries were 95%+ not even 30 years ago.
>Maybe 45%?
This has been the case pretty much since the late 1960s. The old America died a long, long time ago to where it's nothing but a setting in film and literature to everyone other than the Boomers while the death of Europe happened within the lifetime of everyone.
>t. old stock Deep South Scots-Irish mutted with Ellis Island Irish

>>17800098
>This has been the case pretty much since the late 1960s.
No, it hasn't. America was virtually all European in the 60s, and mostly from Germanic backgrounds (South Italians being the exception).
America today is a motley mix from every corner of the world. It's nothing like it was in the 60s or even the 80s

>>17800098
Also even if I accept the premise that America died a long time ago, why would that be a point in favor of your argument? Weren't you arguing before that America is in a BETTER condition than Germany or England?

>>17800129
>America was virtually all European in the 60s
You were explicitly talking about old-stock Whites, who were made a minority by the time the Ellis Island crowd finally settled down as these groups made up 70% of the White population by the middle of the century.
WASP boomers in the Northeast completely disintegrated their identity by mutting with these groups first and abandoning their religious/ethnic ties, while more recently the two other remaining big old-stock groups; Southerners and Mormons, are now mutting en masse with Hispanics.
>South Italians being the exception
The U.S got tons of Arabs, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs as well during this time period.
>America today is a motley mix
It was then too, only that the WASPs didn't mutt en masse and destroy themselves and their culture until the 60s and the mass waves of Hispanic and Asian immigration hadn't happened yet.
>>17800137
>Weren't you arguing before that America is in a BETTER condition than Germany or England?
America's in a far worse (and more terminal) demographic situation but a much better political situation (largely due to the U.S consitution and broken political system making social engineering impossible the way it is in Europe, along with American geography being the best).
Both are shit in terms of culture, and really virtually everywhere on earth is shit in terms of culture and politics right now due to the toxic influence of postwar America and the disastrous legacy of the USSR.

>>17800158
Germans and Irish aren't old stock whites. I was counting Ellis Islanders in my original post, you changed the subject to be about WASPs only.
America was clearly defined by its Germanic racial character until quite recently. It was not a Slavic country, or a Hindu country, or a Chinese country. It was a Germanic country.
Americans don't understand race, so they don't even know how to describe themselves. They use words like WASP, which is fundamentally a distraction, or focus just on religion and ignore race. America is a doomed country because it was never able to adequately describe its own racial character.

>>17800195
>Americans don't understand race, so they don't even know how to describe themselves.
Yes, because "White" Americans have all been so mutted to hell they have no sense of identity beyond their literal skin color and ambiguously "European" culture.
>focus just on religion and ignore race
Quite the opposite imo, Americans became focused so heavily on their skin color that they grew to ignore literally everything else that actually defined them, such as ethnicity, religion, and culture.
This is why Jews have done so well here btw, they're the only major group who haven't abandoned their ethnic and cultural identity (though this is changing very fast too).

I always wondered why fascists hate Muslims, Indians, Latinos, and Africans

Y’all agree on literally everything

>Loudmouth corrupt strongman leaders
>Hatred of women
>Hatred of gays
>Hatred of other races
>Anti urbanism
>Anti free trade
>Anti democracy
>Anti liberalism
>Hyper collectivist
>Anti rule of law
>Anti fiat currency
>Fixation with extractive rent seeking industries
>Theocratic

>>17793463 (OP)
western academia was poisoned with 'progressive values' by jewish emigrants from soviet union. everyone on the wrong side of the berlin wall has known for ages to disregard anything jews and other soviet races say because they only live to spread their misery.
>>17796791
russia isn't a slavic country, russians aren't a slavic people.

>>17800025
>The real redpill is that birth control was the spark that led to the inferno of LGBTQIA2S+ burning down any liberal society,
I agree that birth control did have an overall negative effect on all societies, but it isn't what caused the pure degeneracy you are referring to. The degeneracy of trying to normalize sodomy specifically, was due to a cult called Judaism existing in some societies, which is why you only find that particular phenomenon in some countries. They (and those subverted by them) are the only ones who actually try to promote this highly destructive behavior. Same thing with the concept of mutilating children by "trans"ing them. It's the same ideological source there: Judaism.

>>17800922
>Judaism
Abrahamic faiths have always been the ones most vehemently anti-Sodomy, especially when compared to Buddhism/Hinduism or the various Pagan faiths that were all over the place.
It wasn't until the rise of Reform Judaism that Judaism started to be open to queer stuff, and that was thousands of years and in a completely different place than where Judaism started.

>>17801133
>It wasn't until the rise of Reform Judaism that Judaism started to be open to queer stuff, and that was thousands of years and in a completely different place than where Judaism started.
Historically, Judaism is a spinoff of early medieval gnostic beliefs and has nothing to do with the Biblical Jews.

The fact that the Bible is very openly against sodomy seems to be completely ignored by all levels of Judaism. This is because Judaism is based entirely on the Babylonian Talmud, a document that was codified around the end of the 5th century AD. Many of its converts came directly from pagan European tribes in Eastern Europe, such as in Lithuania and Poland. They have nothing to do with the Biblical Jews.

Historically, gnostic belief systems have often been associated with sexual deviancy, and the phenomenon of Judaism is really no exception to this. You can find it condoned in their earliest document, which is the Talmud.

>>17800868
>I always wondered why fascists hate Muslims
Muslim migration to Europe is the crux of it, other than that they love Muslims due to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and mostly agree with them on social matters (with a major exception being that Muslims are anti-nationalist)
>Indians
Mass migration to the Anglosphere, their Judeophilia, their employment by literally every government and institution in the world to function as obnoxious shills online, and their general culture being so bizarre and revolting to anyone outside of India that it makes them impossible to like
>Latinos
They're increasingly seen as allies by these types and funny enough are disproportionately far right themselves
>Africans
Similar to Muslims

>>17801136
>Judaism is a spinoff of early medieval gnostic beliefs and has nothing to do with the Biblical Jews
Yes modern rabbinical Judaism and medieval mystic/esoteric Jews are/were fruity, but you were saying that Judaism itself is the root of Sodomy, which is ridiculous given the term "Sodomy" was invented by the Hebrews describing something they found repulsive and mortally sinful and coined it after a place known for this sin, which then was taken as gospel by Christians, Muslims, Druze, and Karaites.
>gnostic belief systems have often been associated with sexual deviancy
Agreed, the LGBT movement itself is basically a gnostic cult.

>>17800025
>The real redpill is that birth control was the spark that led to the inferno of LGBTQIA2S+ burning down any liberal society, given the fact that sex has become completely detatched from all traditional cultural and biological paradigms surrounding reproduction.
Birth control is part of it, but that's also just one aspect of a larger transition from agricultural to industrial civilizations that's urbanized and globalized. That means greater purchasing power (on a long-term timeline, like compared to people 100-200 years ago) and more individual differentation in choices, and also the very concept that one can make their own choices.

A lot of what people find based and trad about Russia is a symptom of poverty more than anything. The Soviet Union was basically a World War I-style war economy in which the military took priority over everything. Basically I think we're heading at full-speed into the cyberpunk future and getting mad about people with blue hair is missing the forest for trees. The gay lifestyle now is a global entertainment business:
https://youtu.be/CMAgIbw2_PM

>>17801173
>the term "Sodomy" was invented by the Hebrews
>but you were saying that Judaism itself is the root of Sodomy,
Referring to the modern group, they are the ones that actually try to present it as a good thing. In countries or languages where this ideology is not present, one does not find this occurring naturally.

Another thing they also promote is abortion. You will find that activist organizations like ACLU, SPLC, ADL and so forth are always historically in favor of these kind of things. Another concept they try to promote and normalize is euthanasia (which you can see in Canada and Europe now), since that again reflects their values: they think they are gods and wish to give themselves the right to decide who is worthy to let live. Normalizing these ideas are one step toward that. According to legal documents like United States Public Law 102-14 and the 2013 UN Declaration, they want to impose a talmudic court system on the world. Such an international court system, if it is ever imposed, will place more value on their own cultists' lives and basically treat everyone else as an animal, since that is exactly what it says in the Talmud.

>>17795405
>>17795422
Orban won't survive the next election either. He really messed up that whole Pride parade situation.

>>17801212
>In countries or languages where this ideology is not present, one does not find this occurring naturally.
The center of the world economy is shifting to Asia and the influence of Abrahamism is less strong there than anywhere else and there are plenty of gays there. Like a said, cyberpunk future. You're stuck in your narrow American Christian fundie ghetto.
https://youtu.be/c86t8hoVw8E

>>17801219
>The center of the world economy is shifting to Asia
Assuming this is true, Marxism plays a central role in the Communist Party of China. (Guess where Marxism originates from?) In case you are right, it will be even more dystopian times to follow.

>Abrahamism
You know that word is meaningless, right?

>>17801197
>larger transition from agricultural to industrial civilizations that's urbanized and globalized
The problem is that we've had several periods where this happens historically, and these "urban, globalized civlizations" be they the Phoenicians, Carthage, late-stage Rome, Venice/Genoa, the Hanseatic league, China's Han-based dynasties, the Chola/Tamil dynasties of Southern India, or European colonial powers like France and Britain have always been unceremoniously swallowed up by more rural and less advanced civilizations that have higher birthrates and more culturally/politically unified bases of power and social cohesion. Urban societies always get too socially atomized, decadent, and concentrated to effectively resist barbarians long-term.
>greater purchasing power (on a long-term timeline, like compared to people 100-200 years ago) and more individual differentation in choices
The problem is we've already peaked here and peaked a long time ago (most estimates say around the late 50s/early 60s). Now purchasing power in Western countries is receding rapidly on every front while wages haven't kept up with skyrocketing prices in decades to the point of crisis.
>the very concept that one can make their own choices
Yeah those other states/polities I mentioned had more liberty than any other that came before them in their region too and look where that got them long-term.
>we're heading at full-speed into the cyberpunk future
This made sense as a POV in the 80s or 90s when it seemed like the "End of History" really seemed upon us, we "solved" everything existential, and birthrates were stable; but now everything is in slow-motion collapse due to the fact that the postwar American order was based on infinite demographic and therefore economic growth. Now that birthrates are spiralling into the toilet, the welfare state system is collapsing in on itself and flying into default. All while technological advancement has slowed to a crawl outside of communications.

>>17801219
Look, if you want to move to Chongqing, fuck Chinese femboys, smoke meth, read Nick Land, and experiment with transhumanism in more ways than one be my guess. But I'm telling you very bluntly: our future is not going to be Blade Runner, it's going to be some variant of Mouse Utopia.

>>17801219
Look, if you want to move to Chongqing, fuck Chinese femboys, smoke meth, read Nick Land, and experiment with transhumanism in more ways than one be my guest.
But I'm telling you very bluntly: our future is not going to be a variant of Blade Runner, it's going to be some variant of Mouse Utopia.

>>17801133
>Abrahamic faiths have always been the ones most vehemently anti-Sodomy, especially when compared to Buddhism/Hinduism or the various Pagan faiths that were all over the place.
Norse pagans drowned sodomites in bogs. Not really a very pro-Sodomy policy. But many other non-Abrahamic religions were not like that, true.

>>17801469
Many cultures realized the obvious fact that it is evil. However, the Bible went beyond that in its explicit condemnation as something that deserves eternal fire, as you can see just by reading it.

The only really "pro-sodomite" groups you find today, which is where the whole modern LGBTBBQ movement came from, are related to Judaism in some way or another. And as mentioned before, this is really a gnostic group from the middle ages and consists of the pagans who converted to it, who grotesquely LARP as Biblical Jews. These are the people ultimately connected to and responsible for the phenomenon of globohomo soullessness you see today.

If you reject them and their ideology, and realize they have nothing to do with the Bible or Jews in the Bible but that this claim is also false, it becomes possible to move past that. Healing becomes possible.

>>17798528
they destroyed the ones with wealth, nothing wrong with that
they made women work because work was needed, women also kept working at home and they also became mothers, no you dont get special privileges because you have a vagina brandon
their economies were fine, not any worse than before
the enviroment was already destroyed, but they definitely didnt put shit into drinking water like you did, american clapistani fuckhead
they separated religion from state, completely, most people could and would still practice their religion, as a completely private activity

in all of the countries, children were also educated in a proud patriotic fashion

what destroyed them is switching over to crapitalism, and made them completely and utterly vulnerable from crapitalist vultures, like you,

>>17801630
>most people could and would still practice their religion, as a completely private activity
If you don't see how this is degenerate I don't know what to tell you. Telling someone to hide their true beliefs and instead pretend to believe something else is truly grotesque and monstrous.

Communist ideology itself was a false religion of sorts. Nobody was ever justified to force that belief system on others, and the particular belief system being militantly atheist (and thus not a "religion" according to some people) doesn't give it a pass.

>>17793463 (OP)
They were already based and trad in the 80s.
Ever since the 1960s the west collectively decided to just speed run being as degenerate and socially corrosive as possible. By the 1980s what was completely revolutionary and scandalous in the 1920s was really very trad and quaint, the eastern bloc just never moved very far beyond that level, and in many ways actually walked back some of the early social excesses of the Bolshevik revolution.