Do Eastern Catholics use books non-canonical to Catholics but canonical to Eastern and/ or Oriental Orthodox in their worship such as liturgies and Daily Office? These books and ‘books’ would be 1 and 2 Esdras, 3 and 4 Maccabees, Psalm 151, and The Prayer of Mannaseh (added somewhere to 2 Chronicles AKA Paralipomenon, I think).
I know that 2 Esdras (AKA 4 Esrdas, AKA 3 Esdras) is used in the Traditional Latin Mass for the introits of a a Requiem Mass and Pentecost Tuesday (as per Wikipedia).

The Book of Mormon is from Ethiopia

>>17794763
Source?

>>17795388
Ge'ez is reformed egyptian

>>17794717 (OP)
Could be talking out of my ass but no, given that all Eastern Catholic churches subscribe to the Canons of Florence which defined the canon as not including these.
As far as I'm aware one of the Syrian Catholic churches doesn't use the disputed NT letters in liturgy while still recognising it officially as scripture, but I'm not sure which.
The Prayer of Manasseh is also used for some random midweek liturgy in the Latin rite idk, don't quote me on that but I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere

>>17795388
It's a Mormon bot that spams here every once in a while, it's best to just ignore him. They rely on in-person affability to get their message across for a reason, their doctrine is pretty out there.

>>17797047
>their doctrine is pretty out there
You sound like a heretic

>>17797047
>bot
If I were a bot you would be able to confound me in an argument—You are unable to and are a loser

>>17794717 (OP)
There is probably a gradation
2 Esdras is way more out there than 3 Maccabees

>>17796400
>>17795388
1 Enoch in its most complete form is from that same region.

>>17797047
>their doctrine
Do you have a source this time, anywhere in the triple canon (Ethiopian Book of Mormon + D&C + PGP)?

>>17797047
Actually we're called Latter-Day Saints.

>>17794717 (OP)
Don't forget Jubilees

>>17797392
Greek "2" Maccabees is most interesting because it has a reference to writing on plates, and also refers to the abridgment process in writing scripture [compare Ethiopian BoM], also it has a reference to a tradition of the Ark being sealed; Ethiopia is the main claim to where it is located today.

>>17794717 (OP)
I do believe some of these books are read by Eastern Catholics, but they're basically treated as apocrypha in the same way Anglicans treat the regular deuterocanon. Useful for reading, but not scripture.

>>17797402
If people could just take that view for Joseph Smith's material they would be able to get a lot out of it and maybe gain a testimony to its fruitfulness.

>>17797447
Joseph's Smith works are qualitatively and historically different from any of these other books in significant ways and nobody but Mormons will ever value them. All other Christians recognize them for what they are, frauds.

>>17797449
You have no gift of the Holy Ghost

>>17797449
Any time you put into the BoM you will get back in spades with a better understanding of even the King James bible.
Any time you put into reading the D&C will surely pay off in the long run as well as they only increase your knowledge of the truth.

>qualitatively and historically different
Book of Mormon is unique for sure but you can tell it isn't false if you'd just read the Gospel in [3] Nephi.
His own revelations are comparable to the Koran and together they never contradict the Nicene creed or Bible.
His Inspired Version of the Bible is icing on the cake of the highest grade and presents the most readable and understandable version in English even with its increases.

Joseph Smith stands between the two confounding columns of the long translation of the Book of Mormon and the short translation of the Book of Abraham
Jesus Christ stands between the two stumbling blocks of his precursor the Bible and his last testament the Book of Mormon

>>17797476
>last testament
Not to constrict there being more, I mean last of the prior ministry.

>>17797365
Do you mean “out there” meaning widespread or “out there” meaning wacky?
>>17797392
>>17797365
That’s another part of my question in the OP: do the Ethiopian and Eritrean Catholic Churches use books from the Ethiopic Tewahedo canon of 81 (or was it 88?) books in their liturgy? This would be remarkably difficult to find out unless someone ITT is from that region and would be willing to investigate Church documents probably (but not certainly) not published online.
>>17797402
Very insightful post.

>>17797706
Forgot pic.

>>17797706
"wacky" is not quite it, more uncommon, as even the Roman Catholic set has interesting features
If it's not in the most basic OT canon it much more stands on its own in its own camp

>>17797047
>bot
You are the one who yields his will to Satan–I merely exercise my own agency

>>17794717 (OP)
Eastern Catholics are in full communion with Rome, so their liturgical books and practices must align with Catholic doctrine, including the canon of Scripture defined at Trent (1546). The Catholic canon, per the Council of Trent, includes the deuterocanonical books (Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, etc.) but explicitly excludes 1/2 Esdras, 3/4 Maccabees, Psalm 151, and the Prayer of Manasseh as non-inspired, though they can be used for edification.

From what I’ve seen, the Byzantine Rite Catholics (like Melkites) stick closely to the Septuagint-based lectionaries of their Orthodox cousins, but they don’t treat these extra books as canonical. Psalm 151, for example, might appear in some Slavic or Greek Psalters, but it’s not in the official liturgical Psalter for Catholic use. 3/4 Maccabees and Prayer of Manasseh? I’ve never seen them in any Eastern Catholic liturgy or breviary (Orthodox or not). They’re apocryphal, and Rome’s clear on that.

>2 Esdras in the TLM introits
Correct, but it’s a limited use. The Vulgate’s 2 Esdras (aka 4 Ezra in some traditions) gets quoted in the TLM for specific introits, like Requiem Mass (2 Esdras 2:34-35). This is more about historical liturgical tradition than endorsing canonicity. The Church has always cherry-picked edifying texts without canonizing them.

>>17799122
Don’t the Maronites use The Prayer of Manasseh?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_of_Manasseh

>>17799552
The Prayer of Manasseh is used in some Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic liturgies, notably in Great Compline. However, Maronite liturgical texts, like the 1992 Missal revised under Patriarch Sfeir to reduce Latinizations, focus on canonical Scriptures and traditional Syriac hymns from figures like St. Ephrem. I’ve scoured Maronite liturgical sources, and the Prayer of Manasseh doesn’t appear in their standard Qurbono or Divine Office. Their anaphoras (e.g., Twelve Apostles, Third Peter) and lectionaries stick to the Catholic canon.

>implying Maronites might use it because of Orthodox parallels
Fair question, since Maronites share Syriac roots with some Orthodox churches. The Prayer of Manasseh does show up in ancient Syriac texts and the Septuagint, which Maronites historically used. But their fidelity to Rome means they don’t treat it as canonical or integrate it into worship like the Orthodox might. If you’ve got a specific Maronite source claiming otherwise, drop it, because my books don’t show it.

Don't get me wrong. It’s a solid catch to probe the Maronite angle, but their liturgical practice aligns with Catholic norms, not Orthodox fluidity on apocrypha. Anyone with a Maronite missal or breviary who can confirm?

>>17800452
I just read it here somewhere or maybe on /lit/.

>>17797479
So Mormons think there might be new prophets as influential as Joseph Smith?

>>17802020
William Miller predicted from Daniel that something of eschatological significance would happen in 1844, the year of Joseph Smith's martyrdom - Ellen G. White claimed an independent vision confirming the story and presented her own claim as prophetess from it.

>>17797047
>bot
Lol

>>17802065
Isn’t the definition of martyrdom that the martyr doesn’t resist his murderers? Didn’t Joseph Smith fight back with a pistol?

>>17803017
Fuck you

>>17803076
Why?

>>17803017
>Isn’t the definition of martyrdom that the martyr doesn’t resist his murderers?
Nta I don't think so.