let's discuss

>>17794799 (OP)
The Romans we're all Chinese. All of the statues and arts are fabrications to perpetuate the criminal lie that they were of European descent.

>>17794799 (OP)
>Tarquinia
>Romans
Nordick education

>>17794799 (OP)
>This single source represents the millions of people who lived in Central Italy
I can just pick up a Bantu African living in Italy and do the same thing. Come back when you have at least 1000 samples.

>>17794799 (OP)
>tarquina
Check-out the avarages, you punk ass fool

>>17794799 (OP)
Troyans and so phoenixians

>>17794799 (OP)
The original Romans and their lineage are gone forever, two thousand years interracial breeding has erased any remnant of them, same with ancient Hebrews that once populated Palestine they were conquered and eventually smitten and skattered by the Romans and after two thousand years of breeding with the indigenous locals of the various places they went erased their bloodline

>>17794961
So u sayin dat de ancient Romanz wuz Canaanites n shieeet nyugguh?

>>17794799 (OP)

>>17795352
Nord bros?? Our answer???

>>17794799 (OP)
Modern genetic studies prove that the Romans were Whiter than modern day Italians before being swarmed with immigrants from the Near East:
>Italian genetic history was profoundly shaped by Romans. While the Iron Age was comparable to contemporary European regions, the gene pool of Central Italy underwent significant influence from Near Eastern ancestry during the Imperial age. To explain this shift, it has been proposed that during this period people from Eastern Mediterranean regions of the Empire migrated towards its political center. In this study, by analyzing a new individual (1.25x) and published Republican samples, we propose a novel perspective for the presence of Near Eastern ancestry in the Imperial gene pool. In our scenario, the spread of this genetic ancestry took place during the late Republican period, predating the onset of the Empire by ∼200 years. The diffusion of this ancestry may have occurred due to early East-to-West movements, since Eastern Mediterranean regions were already under Roman political influence during the Republic, or even as a result of migration from Southern Italy where Greeks and Phoenicians settled.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.10.07.617003v1

>>17794799 (OP)
slave found in a ditch
>>17795357
Greentext doesn't say that, modern italians are lighter than repubblican romans

>>17795357
Cope harder. North Italians have less Germanic DNA than what Southern Germans have Italic one.
You kept saying the opposite because your Germanic ancestry makes you by default a subversive liar and a wewuzzer

Remember
cuxkarg is confirmed again being the only honest Germanic nationalist because unlike you all he is open about what he thinks about us.
You guys can worship le wootan or being anti-Christianity as much as your pathetic sphere allows you. But STOP THE LARP
you guys aren't meds. Seeth and cope, barbarians

guys, I'm having really terrible loose shits since I've started taking magnesium glycinate. I thought this form didn't give GI tract issues. What do? It makes me sleep crazy good, I don't want to stop taking it

>>17795368
>Greentext doesn't say that
Yes it does.

>modern italians are lighter than repubblican romans
Modern Italians are less related to modern European populations than Romans during the Kingdom/Repubic.

>>17795357
>immigrants from the Near East
According to?....

>>17795357
medieval Germanics had a lower IQ than Imperial Romans
The "muh great Levantine migration" it literally never happened, its just your excuse to wewuzz as Romans and to cope that your ancestors were low IQ migrants

>>17795381
Repubblican Romans were low steppe swarthoids with 10% light hair/eyes, Italians are much higher

>>17795395
In the end Nordicists are spiritually Ind1ans.

Their top fantasies always involves countries with a small "Aryan" élite ruling over low IQ browns. That country already exists, its called India, all Nordicists should move there unironically.

>>17795414
The only AR1anjeets in Europe are Eastern European Slavjeets and literal Roma people. Real Nordics are I1, which is pre-Indo-European. Fuck you Asiatic R1(a/b) invaders and go the fuck back to your homeland in Central Asia.

is it time to admit that the romans were nordic

>>17795369
>less Germanic DNA than what Southern Germans have Italic one
I dislike nordicist bs but that's such a cope lmao. "Italic" dna in Germany is actually celtic admixture which was similar to italic. There's no significant Italic admixture in Germany but some part of north Italy display significant Germanic admixture.

how the fuck is "Afrikaner" listed there when that race didnt even start till 1600s when dutch invaded South Africa

>>17794857
>50% whg
>30% near east
>20% steppe
wait these guys were white AF

>>17795357
Lucius Verus was the most Italian looking emperor ever, cope. You nordoid snow apes have straight thin hair and short piggish noses with high foreheads, not curly hair and aquiline noses. I know it must be hard to look at what you are in the mirror but you will never be Roman/Greek/Med

>>17794799 (OP)
unbelievable how nordic the roman were, easily more nordic than anyone alive today, probably surpassing even the scandis

>>17795771
>not curly hair and aquiline noses
I know a guy who is 100% German, looks like that, and has blonde curly hair.

>>17794799 (OP)
Tarquinia clusters with the Romans. Only 2 individual samples are big outliers, which push the average sample north.

An exercise: find purple dots around northern Europe in the related PCA:

>>17795805
Sure you do. The predominant phenotype in Germany is straight hair, short noses, high foreheads, most roman emperors display features that are the complete opposite to that phenotype (curly hair and aquiline noses, exceedingly common features in Italy). They look absolutely nothing like northern euros and you are just delusionally coping

Stay safe Paki bros...

>No they were Mesopo-ACK!

>>17794799 (OP)
Here's the genetic admixture based on the Davidski coords:

It shows that the Italians just received more Yamnaya admixture, and also more Near Eastern admixture.

Which obviously makes sense - the first were the WHGs, then the Farmers, and finally came the Yamnayas.

The real question is - where did the Yamnayas come from? It's common knowledge that the Farmers came from Anatolia, but if the Yamnayas came from the Steppe, why did they go straight to Italy, without establishing any cities or bigger settlements along the way?

The first somewhat accepted date for Rome's dating is 753 BC, and the first northern European countries were being formed, how much later? A 100 years, with the Frankish Empire?

Given that the exact same problem concerns Greece (to an even bigger extent), I think it's not preposterous that those Yamnaya people came from the south, most probably eastern Mediterranean.

I wonder if anyone here has any logical answers to this question.

>>17795836
>admixture

Oh no...

>>17795836
>the first northern European countries were being formed, how much later

Six hundred years earlier actually.

>>17794799 (OP)
Here's the genetic admixture based on the Davidski coords:

It shows that the Italians just received more Yamnaya admixture, and also more Near Eastern admixture.
Which obviously makes sense - the first were the WHGs, then the Farmers, and finally came the Yamnayas.

The real question is - where did the Yamnayas come from? It's common knowledge that the Farmers came from Anatolia, but if the Yamnayas came from the Steppe, why did they go straight to Italy, without establishing any cities or bigger settlements along the way?
The first somewhat accepted date for Rome's dating is 753 BC, and the first northern European countries were being formed, how much later? A 1000 years, with the Frankish Empire?
Given that the exact same problem concerns Greece (to an even bigger extent), I think it's not preposterous that those Yamnaya people came from the south, most probably eastern Mediterranean.

I wonder if anyone here has any logical answers to this question.

>>17795836
>I think it's not preposterous that those Yamnaya people came from the south, most probably eastern Mediterranean

Other way around.

>>17795841
>A bunch of savages swinging their bronze axes at each other

Very funny anon. It's a very accurate comparison to the sophistication level of the Roman Kingdom.

>>17795842
>admixture

Oh no...

>>17794849
>no
lmao what? the romans were perfectly happy to assimilate germs who were themselves willing to be assimilated

>>17795846
>A bunch of savages swinging their bronze axes at each other

Kino and based. By the way, this is the earliest large scale battle we have evidence for. We don't even have evidence for the Battle of Qadesh.

>>17795848
Germania comes from the word germanus which means sibling. Caesar uses it in his book.

>>17795847
Don't spam it like a sperg.

>>17795827
Uhm yeah you gave roman emperors platinum blonde hair in photoshop, that means they were blonde, even though their hair and facial features are med and they look completely retarded and uncanny with the blonde hair, like a bunch of drag queens, well done Cletus. You are an ancient Roman now!

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>>17794799 (OP)
>>17795842
Making the point clearer, the real question that should be asked is where did the Yamnaya-heavy people come from to infuse the local Farmer population with their genetics.

The Aeneas story comes to mind, and if Troy was actually found, maybe this story is also not without merit?

>>17795867
Farmer and Yamnaya aren't ethnic nor racial groups. Troy isn't in Turkey and that theory was debunked two millennia ago.

>>17795854
You’ve been spamming this board with your same theories and images for years, you dump your nordicist image folder and call everyone who disagrees with you europhobes

>>17795869
It’s just some artist interpretation they didn’t even know her skin and hair color

>>17795866
Augustus had brown hair and East Med ancestry from Calabria. He was absolutely like a modern Italian.

>>17795866
Bad reconstruction since he wasn't even blonde. Subflavium was used for people who had light brown hair as his statue of Porta Nuova shows, the statue was built while he was still alive and has still traces of colors left, and it was color reconstructed on the basis of the color pigments left: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-34fb64c7b4ab1981e7f69a4dc65fd5b6-lq

Moreover he had curly hair, his nose wasn't short like in nordoids, he had way more med features than ''nordic'' features, you are still coping and it's also a completely futile exercise because northern europeans were illiterate mudhut shitters when Romans had an advanced civilization for more than a millennia already, your theory is retarded and nonsensical in its own first basic premise, Shitlerite

>>17795879
You're literally a semitist. You think Romans and Greeks, despite speaking IE languages, were secretly Mesopotamian. You've been attempting to stab and steal and European history for just as long and it's disgusting. Yes, that's Europhobic. You won't accept any eye or hair color other than black/black because you *need* every important person and civilization in history to look rather unfortunately like yourself. You have no sense of shame and the audacity of your remarks is only equaled by your hatred for Europeans.

>>17795883
>East Med ancestry from Calabria
...That's central Mediterranean. Brown hair isn't even common in that region after the eastern migrations following the surge of Islamic induced immigration.

>>17795887
That is subflavium. We've been through all of the definitions before. You're just playing with the ranges trying to shift the sliders slightly darker at every turn. No, nobody thinks ancient Mesopotamians were somehow related to brown, blonde, and honey haired Romans. There's no consensus on that, which is what you say you're always looking for, and there's certainly no truth behind that. Curly isn't unique to any group either. Only Asians and pre-colonization Americans don't have curly hair. Afro-Eurasians from the west all do.

>>17795889
Pathetic psychoanalysis. I have blond hair and green eyes and am Southern European but I support the replacement of Northern Europeans because of this kind of behavior of your people. Back to white nationalist telegram channels instead of spamming your trash here daily.

>someone doesn't believe Romans were IE speaking Europeans
>they have to be from Mesopotamia, brothers with modern Arabs
>if you don't believe this you're a shitlerite

Unhinged XD

>>17795889
Yeah a minority of romans and greeks had blonde hair, that means nothing, they were still romans and greeks, not germoids/nordic/hypergonad/whatever other bs you shitlerites come up with; same as a minority of germoids had darker hair, they were still germoids, if the romans/greeks and the germoids/nordics were the same people they too would have been illiterate shitting in mudhuts just like the germoids/nordics were

Seriously how fucking delusional do you have to be to believe the Romans/Greeks were nordic when we have so much art depicting them as clearly med people with dark curly hair? Like this is not even delusional, it's full blown psychotic mental illness

>>17795896
You are 100% a nordicist white nationalist who hates Southern Europeans which is why you spam this complete garbage day in day out for years. And that’s why it makes me happy the USA Britain and Germany are being replaced. Your people deserve that for your nordicism. Or don’t. I noticed many more of us are learning to hate your Germanic race as time goes on or at least lose all sympathy for your replacement by because of your insistence on doing this.

>>17795896
Let's ignore 99% of roman frescoes depicting them as clearly a med people and spam the one where they still look like med just with orange hair, you have severe mental illness

>Yeah a minority of romans and greeks had blonde hair
By the 3rd century the name Flavius is among the most common. As we have previously agreed, it literally means blonde. So yes, the entire aristocratic class is or related to someone or at least knows someone who is blonde- it was extremely common. At some point we have to admit that northern Europe was a nexus of culture, and that it spreads south. IE did not come from the Levant or Turkey or Mesopotamia.

Yes, there was also art of slaves in Rome, and they're not wearing shackles because the Romans don't dress their slaves up in loin clothes like it's the American south. Again, all linguistic and direct evidence suggests that Romans came out of the Celtic super-culture. Latin itself is a Celtic language.

Etruscans too.

>>17795911
Those people are explicitly white. That's basically a slight tan on one of the figures and you can clearly see the woman is just blatantly European. Med =| mud

>>17795889
you are racially unrelated to these people, it's time to let go

For that matter, ancient Turkey was European as well.

>>17795929
You still haven't answered:>>17795847

You know how this goes: if you want to converse on those matters you need to discuss them. You still have not explained why you think admixtures should be used in lieu of mixtures or abmixtures when it directly conflates data.

>>17795913
That's a fresco of the god Mercury retard, not slaves. At this point it's clear you are trolling, nobody is this fucking delusional

And should we be surprised when even Syrians said they were "white"? Probably not.

>>17795932
That's literally a white woman. It just now hit me, but have you been checked for color blindness?

>>17795913
It's fascinating how those retards ''think'', like do you think anyone who has blonde hair is ''literally you'' and you can claim the accomplishment of a whole other civilization just because a minority had blonde hair? even though their language, traditions, culture was completely different.
Can meds go around claiming the accomplishments of other people/countries based on 1/2 superficial physical features taken in isolation? Like Tesla and Einstein had dark hair, I guess meds can claim their accomplishments? Maybe they can claim the accomplishments of the whole of China since they also have dark hair? Your entire ''ideology'' is complete retardation, I dunno how people even fucking think like this lol

Ethnogenesis is not based around superficial aesthetic traits, but around language, culture and traditions. People don't think in terms of ''race'' like you shitlerites do, because it makes 0 fucking sense

>>17795942
You've done nothing but post evidence supporting my case and crashing out. No, there is no such thing as "Med". What you're noticing is that Arabs moved into the Balkans, southern Spain, and southern Italy after Islamic expansions. They don't have brown hair or brown eyes. No, Turkey is not ancient. It's also medieval in origins, technically late medieval.

As for ethnogenesis, we've already established that Romans and Greeks are IE. They are culturally European. Latin comes directly out of Celtic. It's funny that when you came into this thread about race, it's all about how Romans and Greeks are another race than Europeans, but now that you don't have a leg to stand on suddenly it's not about race anymore. Amazing how that works. Almost like you're starting to approach a truth you cannot admit to yourself.

>>17795946
>muh islam
You're an idiot. Imperial romans are older than christianity. The pompeian sample we have is more southern shifted than any greek/italian living today

>>17795937
Color blind schizo

>>17795946
It's clear Romans and Greeks were a different people from the northern barbarians yes, that's a self-evident truth for anyone who isn't a coping nordicist retard, both the genetics and the phenotype difference attest to this, and of course the fact they had advanced complex civilizations while northern europeans were illiterate mudhut shitters, keep delusionally coping, you will never be roman/greek/med you are a self-hating angloid living in a trailer park wasting his life away spamming hilarious delusions

>>17795951
We were talking about racial migrations, the rise of Islam saw the mass movement and reproduction of those people. Again, if you want to talk about why things shift, you need to explain why you think things won't shift when using and admixture. Admixtures are designed to over-value common genes, the weighted values are shifted into the most common features. If you weight those categories even higher than everyone will look the same. That's the whole point of using admixtures.

As for your own part, you yourself are a racist, you're just not very good at promoting your case. But your real crime is that you are a liar using information designed to deceive intentionally, and rather than defend any semblance of truth, will ignore the fact that your data is undermined at its very conception.

>>17795954
...It's showing you the walls, not the eyes. The eyes are clearly blue-grey. And now you're projecting because I literally zoomed in on the eyes for you to see and you still can't see. Yeah, you need an eye exam.

>>17795955
If I posted him onto a Roman mural you would say he's "eastern Med" lmfao

>posts tanned white guy
>"See see he's not as white as the white woman in the picture"
>*loses debate*
>Well it's not about race it's about culture

Okay so how about all of those artifacts that trail down from Celtic lands into the Roman?

>>17795357
>>17795827
>>17795829
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>>17795869
>>17795889
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>>17795933
1) romans were closest to modern spaniards and italians, had slightly less indoeuropean dna than them and were 80-90% dark pigmented.
2) ancient greeks were J2 people with heavy "middle eastern" admixture, were probably darker than romans and were closer to levantines than even to Iberians.
3) most early roman emperors had clearly med features like big eyes, hook noses, often curly hair. Only 4 (Augustus, Tiberius, Nero, Galba) of them were confirmed light eyed in reliable sources and only 1 (Lucius Verrus) was blond and dyed his hair to make it lighter (so was dark blond naturally at best).
4) existence of such roman gens as flavia, fulvia and rufia confirms that light hair was uncommon among roman patricians too, because nomens reflect distinctive features of its founders.
5) imperial romans (who were mostly greeks) had higher IQ than medieval germans and vikings.
5) ancient intellectuals like Aristotle and Vitruvius said middle easterners are weak but intelligent while nordics are brave but dumb.

these are irrefutable claims, you are dishonest

>>17795961
No it shows eyes which are brown, you are color blind. Imagine calling pic rel nordic lol.

>>17795805
LOL

This is a modern german philosopher on the left and a modern italian philosopher on the right, who looks more like one of those ancient greek philosopher statues? Obviously the Italian, the German has a tiny nose and high forehead, that's the common german phenotype, they look nothing like the ancient romans/greeks

>>17795971
You must be the biggest cuck in the world because you spam black haired, brown men stealing girls while claiming to be a green eyed, blonde, white man. You're a liar or a cuck, one of the two.

1) Outright wrong. That's not the genotype, the Romans and even Greeks recorded looking European, even the Syrians to the east called themselves "white" (sic). 90% dark pigmented would be something like an African, which is about the boldest claim you could have made.
2) J2... Ah, now you've played your hand: You're a t*rkroach supremacist, the funniest kind because neither your religion nor your language, nor your race even belongs to you. It's all foreign. And no, J2 samples are tiny in every sample size. We've been through a few dozen studies and each large sample size either doesn't have any J2, assumed J2 based on other factors, or J2 was a handful of samples who did not breed. As I recall, we even went over a few studies that explicitly state the J2 CANNOT BREED. They died out in the subsequent strata.
3) None of what you call "Med features" are actually "Med". Aside from hook noses, which are different from aquiline noses, and may be caused by either Mesopotamian heritage or through inbreeding-though the two go hand in hand often.
>You're saying that Flavis and Rufia as names means that light hair is uncommon, but it proves the reverse- that because those names are both standard and common that red and blonde hair are common, and there's nobody named black haired. The name black shows up, but as a nickname in reference to other things, not hair. You're just in sheer denial at this point and it's painfully obvious.

5) IQs of Greeks were high. Yes, and if you look at maps today you will see that Mesopotamians and Turks have lower IQs than those of northern Europe. I don't know why you would wander into this argument because you don't actually have IQ scores for ancient Celts. Vikings are not of the Roman or Greek classical period, so you seem to be uneducated about general history.
Other 5 (6)) You're quoting a later insertion. That quote shows up in no less than five different authors, probably added by coping+seething inferiority complexed swarths such as yourself.

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>>17795997
take your meds you literal schizo

>>17795997
You will never be Roman/Greek/Med Cletus, I'm sorry that you were born having pork features, but you should find yourself a nice latinx girl to soften a bit the porkness of your angloid features in your offsprings, you have 38 million mexicans living there, plenty to choose from

>>17796007
Your best argument was: "Romans had names for blonde and red-haired, this must mean that they weren't blonde or red-haired".

I guess that means you gave up on pretending to not be a racist because you're still making racial arguments lol

>>17796009
>Cletus
...That's literally a Greek name. I mean wow, of all the names you could have picked to represent white people lmfao

>>17796009
>you should find yourself a nice latinx girl
That's one of my hoes.

Here are some case scenarios for Augustus assuming he was not a full blown Imperialoid. It cannot be argued that he was at least partly of East Med extraction.

>>17796019
See: >>17795847
You need to answer why you think an admixture won't lead to a regression to mean by over-weighting common-stock values. Obviously if you use admixture then everyone is going to have black eyes, because that's common to everyone in the world everywhere. If you weight those values higher, everyone becomes Asian.

>>17795997
>>17796008
>1) Outright wrong.
see the pic from scientific study in post you are responding to.
>2) J2... Ah, now you've played your hand: You're a t*rkroach supremacist
no. see pic rel
>3) None of what you call "Med features" are actually "Med". Aside from hook noses, which are different from aquiline noses, and may be caused by either Mesopotamian heritage or through inbreeding-though the two go hand in hand often.
almost all roman emperors if they lived today would be mistaken for south europeans or jews in northern europe. You are dishonest
>You're saying that Flavis and Rufia as names means that light hair is uncommon, but it proves the reverse
>The name black shows up, but as a nickname in reference to other things, not hair. You're just in sheer denial at this point and it's painfully obvious.
brown eyes and black/dark brown hair are almost never mentioned in descriptions of an individual's appearance, as the vast majority of romans had them. Rare exceptions are description of Julius Caesar's brown eyes (possibly because his cognomen is similar to latin word for blue and Suetonius wanted to show that it did not match Caesar's eyes) and rare descriptions that highlight some contrast (Messalina in Juvenal's satire "wearing a blond wig over her black hair"). If a person was described by a historian and his eye and hair color is not mentioned, then he most likely had brown eyes and black/dark brown hair. This is usually confirmed by various colored depictions like mosaics (Alexander's eye color wasn't described by historians and he is always depicted with brown eyes) or busts with traces of paint (Caligula's pigmentation wasn't describes and he has brown eyes and dark hair in scientific reconstruction).
Name (not nomen or cognomen) means nothing. Flavius became popular only in the late empire, partly due to influx of north european migrants and partly because people liked it. Name Gwen means white/fair, but not all Gwens today are blond or white

>>17795872
>Farmer and Yamnaya aren't ethnic nor racial groups.
That's literally what they were.
>Troy isn't in Turkey and that theory was debunked two millennia ago.
It's place is confirmed to be correct.

>>17794804
> The Romans we're all Chinese
ancient chinese arent the same as modern chinese today. Back then Chinese were Romans. Whole things a circle

>>17794849
whoever created that is deeply mentally ill.
Even if they are a paid shill to spread discord, still mentally ill

>>17796096
You're right. The guy's been here years. Usually rants and raves about /pol/. I don't think he has any friends and he def has never touched a girl.

>>17794799 (OP)
Atrocious image

>>17794799 (OP)
we all knew already that the elites of rome were nordic, r10339 is an elite roman aristocrat

>>17795971
This is all correct, considering only 4 emperors were described as having light eyes (and Tiberius is also iffy since he wasn't described as directly having blue eyes, Pliny says that it was believed that people with blue eyes could see better at night, and in the next paragraph he describes Tiberius has being good at seeing things at night, he doesn't outright says he had blue eyes, that's just an inference) that shows how rare and peculiar it was, and it's also correct the observation about ancient Romans having big eyes while nordoids tend to have smaller (even asiatic at times) eyes.

>The late Emperor Augustus had azure eyes like those of some horses, the white being larger than with other men; he used to be very angry if a person stared intently at them for this peculiarity (Pliny)

I’m convinced these threads are made by non Whites who present themselves as Northern/Southern Europeans and act out their non White antics, making actual Northern and Southern Europeans think the other side is completely stupid

>>17794799 (OP)
Here is a map of where the Romans came from.

>>17794799 (OP)
Discussing the racial composition of a people that experienced massive demographic changes over the course of their several millennia-spanning civilization which stretched from Britain to the Sahara is basically just an excuse for race-baiting. I always find it funny that people insist on them either being white or brown depending on their politics, you can find people in modern day Italy that look exactly like the statues and likewise can find people in North Africa or the Levant that look like other statues or even the same ones. They vary in shades but generally are of a fairer olive complexion, as most people from the med regardless of being Italian or Egyptian or Spanish do. It's not even like you need to really dive into Haplogroups, these people groups were recent enough that changes are more granular.

>pic rel

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>>17796799
It doesn’t matter because there are more than enough northern Europeans who hold these beliefs. And no there will be no more brotherhood with or sympathy for them. That opportunity has passed.

>>17797650
You are trying to foment in Europeans the same inter ethnic conflict they brought about in your countries during the colonial age. The only issue with this is you lack the wherewithal to meaningfully convince anyone of your position and the Europeans were not the sole or even most meaningful cause of ethnic tension within your nations. In fact they very rarely played up ethnic tensions on purpose, your people were already fighting, the Europeans just came along and chose a winner. You've successfully drunk your own revisionist kool-aid about what the history of brown nations and in doing so made yourself look like a fool.

>>17796799
That is exactly what these threads are, race-baiting.

>>17797571
>you can find people in modern day Italy that look exactly like the statues
Why are you lying Arap?

The Modern Medjeets can't be the same people as the Ancient Graeco-Romans.

Look at that evil shItalian Pygmy.

Which one is more Romanman in Pompeii and Englishman in New York?
How did European ANF Brownize and Negrify themselves? Euro HG can't be blamed for that, huh Dalits?

>>17797723
I have been to Italy, anyone else who has been can verify that there are plenty of Italians that are similar or an exact match to the physiological appearance of classical statuary. There will also be people who look nothing like the statues, this could be for a variety of reasons, sometimes its because they are not Italian, actually often that is the case. It appears however that I have stumbled upon a truly deranged haplogroup poster, so in that case lets see you post a time stamped image of your hand if you truly are the arbiter of what is or isn't "white".

>>17794804
Roman emperors were Chinese merchants that came to Europe through the Silk Road

>>17797761
>there are plenty of Italians that are similar or an exact match to the physiological appearance of classical statuary
Post them then.
>sometimes its because they are not Italian
Is this your hardest cope? Non-shItalians actually look Whiter, even Gypsies can look Whiter. What are you trying, Dalit?

>>17796003
subhuman she look nothing like statue. Statue have sharp feature you dumb subhuman nordic.

>>17797723
>>17797745
>>17797747
You are Russian, here's a Russian I found, that means all Russians look like this, see, I'm sinking to your schizo kindergarten level. Imagine living in a HIV infested shithole that nordicists tried to genocide and now you LARP as a nordicist online from your dilapidated commieblock, what social alienation does to a mf

>>17797761
He's a Russian mentally ill lolcow, you can find him on /int/ too, he even called Macron ''arap'' even though he has the textbook roman nose

>>17794799 (OP)
R10339 completely destroyed med larpers, an elite nordic man in rome

>>17797876
Isn't that man Ukrainian? He looks very Euro HG.
>he even called Macron ''arap''
Lol, why are you being offended, Arap?

>>17794799 (OP)
the average roman looked like Jon-Erik Hexum

>>17797921
Nope he's russian like you, you look like him, I don't make the rules. But ok schizo, I guess the Romans were ''arap'' too since they had aquiline noses and not the short piggish nose you love so much. You were civilized by araps and then tried to larp as them as ''The Third Rome'', how embarrassing

>>17798034
the average roman likely looked like Jon-Erik Hexum

>>17795894
so youre ""white"" but you dont support white nationalism?
subhuman honkey monkey
>>17795971
>uhhh g-greeks and r-romans w-were actually black niggers hehe

Original elite Romans were Turks, the mythological parallel of Romulus and Remus being raised by a she-wolf has always made this obvious.

>>17798080
they were blonde nordics

>>17798034
>since they had aquiline noses and not the short piggish nose you love so much
It doesn't work like that. If a nose can be too long and too hooked, then it can be too short and too upturned.
>You were civilized by araps
I've never said that Araps were uncivilized. I say that Medjeets stole their "civilization" from Egyptians and Sumerians.

What are you even seething at, Medjeet? I try to understand what Brownized and Negrified European ANFs. I can imagine 30% of the original ANF as really White.
You can nootice that Finno-Ugrians/North Russians/Svengols with more ANF are much Whiter than Southern Russians/Central Asians with more CHG. Something Brownized ANF in Southern Europe and Negrified it in Northern Europe.

Russia is the Third Rome -> Medieval Russian princes are closest to Turks - > Original Romans were Turks

>>17798081
Not only they looked nothing like ''nordics'' with their aquiline noses and curly hair but even spiritually, like how can someone read someone like Catullus or Juvenal and take away they were ''nordic/german'' lol (the most autistic unfeeling people ever), there's nothing ''german'' about the Romans, either phenotipically or spiritually, they had the extroverted and expansive spirit of the southern euros

You'll never be med you autistic snowape, go larp about being a viking or something

>>17798155
That's the Norwegian crown princess' son charged of raping women.
The kings of Rome looked like this and acted like this.

>>17798138
Bro, I can't... Another TVRKpill.
>>17798155
I have a meme with him.

>>17796799
It's just indians, in india the aryan theory is that they left india to conquer land in the west.

>>17795971
TRVKEEEEEEE

>>17798167
>Dravidian Albino or a Chinese Russian
why is this so accurate

>>17798155
no, the average roman was nordic in appearance, they looked like this

>>17798194
reconstruction of R10339, an ancient patrician from rome

>>17794799 (OP)
I can still wewuz as roman
t. red haired italian

How do I determine my own genetic makeup so I can decide who to WE WUZ as? I don't trust jew shit like 23andme. Is there some way to do it that doesn't violate privacy?

>>17798302
If you're Irish/Welsh you can wewuz as Basque and the Spanish Empire. If you're English you can wewuz as that PLUS viking PLUS the real Biblical Jews.
If you're from the Balkans, Russia or an amerimutt you can wewuz as anything.

>>17798194
Holy delusional. Roman statues have big eyes, sometimes even protruding, not those tiny eyes nordoids tend to have, and that nose is also not roman, this germoid would stand out as a sore thumb among Romans

>>17798514
cope, romans looked like the modern danes, swedes, norwegians and icelanders

>>17794799 (OP)
>>17798227
R10339 is a woman an Etruscan, not a Roman. She was buried alongside a typical Etruscan. Probably traded by some Germanic cuck chief. What's more shocking is that this is what Germans were like before they got MEDED and SLAVED. That sample is pretty far away from modern Germans.

>>17798527
>>>17798527
This. Sabina Poppaea looked like Greta Thunberg.

>>17798592
R10339 is an elite nordic male with r1b

>>17798616
>that date range
It's a later republic era barbarian merc

>>17798623
elite nordic patrician

>>17796096
>>17796104
I made that image around 2018, a totally different context because burger nordicist shitpost was totally out of control.

>>17798616
I confused it with pic related then. It's another very similar sample that is a woman. That's the Germanic cuck chief that shipped her there in that case.

>>17798642
>white people were posting again
>time to lose my mind

>>17794799 (OP)
Consider the following:

>>17798741
>The first study on Ancient Rome that gathered so many samples: more than 130, spread over 29 archaeological sites spanning 12,000 years (from the Mesolithic to the present day). The results suggest a massive displacement during the imperial period of the population of the Roman cities towards the populations of the Levant and the eastern Mediterranean due to a massive influx of people from the different eastern provinces of the Roman Empire

>Samples from the republican era revealed that the Romans were genetically close to the populations of the "Southwest European" group, that is, the inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula and the Italians of the north. These samples are also close to modern French

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6466/708

>>17798746
>the ol' Romans are Spaniards canard

>>17798746
>Genetic studies have indicated that the Iron Age population of Latium was a mixture of preceding Early European Farmers and Western Hunter-Gatherers, with about 30% Steppe ancestry largely coming from the Pontic–Caspian Steppe. However two out of six individuals from Latin burials from Latium vetus were found to be a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and an ancient Near Eastern population (best approximated by Bronze Age Armenian or Iron Age Anatolian population). In addition, one out of four individuals from Etruscan civilization burials from Veio and Civitavecchia, a female, was found to be a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and a North African population (best approximated by Late Neolithic Moroccan)

>The results have indicated a substantial migration from the Eastern Mediterranean into the city of Rome and its vicinity in Central Italy during the Principate. Notably, only 2 out of 48 Imperial-era individuals fall in the Spanish-like cluster to which 8 out of 11 Iron Age individuals belong. Instead, two-thirds of Imperial individuals (31 out of 48) overlap with central and eastern Mediterranean populations, such as those from southern and central Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and Malta. An additional quarter (13 out of 48) of the sampled Imperial Romans overlap with Levantine and Near Eastern populations, projecting close to four contemporaneous individuals from Lebanon

>One study indicates that during Late Antiquity this Eastern Mediterranean migration subsides and is replaced by the migration of northern barbarian European nations. Consequently, the ethnic composition begins to take an increasingly European character, a trend that intensifies during the Migration Period and continues even long after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, as the geopolitics of Italy tie it ever more with its northern neighbors, e.g. via the Holy Roman Empire

>>17798750
>These contrasting migratory waves may have contributed to the modern genetic differentiation along the length of the Italian peninsula, with the contrasting Spanish-like Northern Italy, and Greek-like Southern Italy. The authors suggest that this has also been contributed by Arab conquests, especially via the Emirate of Sicily, after Western Rome had already fallen. This is unlikely, considering that only 0.6% of modern Southern Italians have the typical Maghrebin core haplotype. Overall, the estimated Central Balkan and North Western European paternal contributions in South Italy and Sicily are about 63% and 26%, respectively

>A 2019 genetic study published in the journal Science analyzed the remains of eleven Iron Age individuals from the areas around Rome, of which four were Etruscan individuals, one buried in Veio Grotta Gramiccia from the Villanovan period (900-800 BC) and three buried in La Mattonara Necropolis near Civitavecchia from the Orientalizing period (700-600 BC)

>The study concluded that Etruscans (900–600 BC) and the Latins (900–500 BC) from Latium vetus were genetically similar, genetic differences between the examined Etruscans and Latins were found to be insignificant. The Etruscan individuals and contemporary Latins were distinguished from preceding populations of Italy by the presence of ca. 30-40% steppe ancestry

>Their DNA was a mixture of two-thirds Copper Age ancestry (EEF + WHG; Etruscans ~66–72%, Latins ~62–75%) and one-third Steppe-related ancestry (Etruscans ~27–33%, Latins ~24–37%) with the EEF component mainly deriving from Neolithic-era migrants to Europe from Anatolia and the WHG being local Western European hunter-gatherers, with both components, along with that from the steppe, being found in virtually all European populations)

>>17798772
>Their DNA was a mixture of two-thirds Copper Age ancestry (EEF + WHG; Etruscans ~66–72%, Latins ~62–75%) and one-third Steppe-related ancestry (Etruscans ~27–33%, Latins ~24–37%)

Why did they divide Etruscans between non-steppe majority and steppe minority when that premise was already rectified? It's already been proven above that the Etruscans are steppe.

>>17798772
>The only sample of Y-DNA extracted belonged to haplogroup J-M12 (J2b-L283), found in an individual dated 700-600 BC, and carried exactly the M314 derived allele also found in a Middle Bronze Age individual from Croatia (1631-1531 calBCE). While the four samples of mtDNA extracted belonged to haplogroups U5a1, H, T2b32, K1a4. Therefore, Etruscans had also Steppe-related ancestry despite speaking a pre-Indo-European language like Basques

>A genetic study published in Science in November 2019 examined the remains of a female from the Proto-Villanovan culture buried in Martinsicuro, Italy between ca. 930 BC and 839 BC, in the territory of the Picentes. She carried the maternal haplogroup U5a2b

>Physical appearance of Early Romans

>As regards to the data on the pigmentation of eyes, hair and skin, the following results were obtained from the study on ancient DNA of the 11 individuals of the Iron Age/Republican period, coming from Latium and Abruzzo, and the 27 individuals of Medieval/Early Modern period, coming from Latium

>For Iron Age/Republic period, the eye color is blue in 27% of the examined and dark in the remaining 73%. Hair color is 9% blond or dark blond and 91% dark brown or black. The skin color is intermediate for 82%, intermediate or dark for 9% and dark or very dark for the remaining 9% (90)

>By contrast, the following results were obtained for Medieval/Early Modern period: the eye color is blue in 26% of the examined and dark in the remaining 74%. Hair color is 22% blond or dark blond, 11% red and 67% dark brown or black. The skin color is pale for 15%, intermediate for 68%, intermediate or dark for 10% and dark or very dark for the remaining 7%

>>17798778
Because they don't speak and were maternally non-IE.

>Among the older studies, based only on mitochondrial DNA, a mtDNA study, published in 2018 in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology compared both ancient and modern samples from Tuscany, from Prehistory, the Etruscan age, Roman age, Renaissance and the present day and concluded that the Etruscans appear to be a local population, intermediate between the prehistoric and the other samples, placing them in the temporal network between the Eneolithic Age and the Roman Age

>A couple of mitochondrial DNA studies published in 2013 in the journals PLOS One and American Journal of Physical Anthropology, based on Etruscan samples from Tuscany and Latium, concluded that the Etruscans were an indigenous population, showing that Etruscan mtDNA appears to be very close to a Neolithic population from Central Europe (Germany, Austria, Hungary) and to other Tuscan populations, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan civilization developed locally from the Villanovan culture, as supported by archaeological evidence and anthropological research, and that genetic links between Tuscany and western Anatolia date to at least 5,000 years ago during the Neolithic and the "most likely separation time between Tuscany and Western Anatolia falls around 7,600 years ago", at the time of the migrations of Early European Farmers (EEF) from Anatolia to Europe in the early Neolithic

>The ancient Etruscan samples had mitochondrial DNA haplogroups (mtDNA) JT (subclades of J and T) and U5, with a minority of mtDNA H1b

>An mtDNA study published in 2004, based on about 28 samples of individuals who lived from 600 to 100 BC in Veneto, Etruria and Campania, found that the Etruscans had no significant heterogeneity and that all mitochondrial lineages observed among the Etruscan samples appear typically European or West Asian but only a few haplotypes were shared with modern populations

>>17798789
>Allele sharing between the Etruscans and modern populations is highest among Germans (seven haplotypes in common), the Cornish from the South West of Britain (five haplotypes in common), the Turks (four haplotypes in common) and the Tuscans (two haplotypes in common). The modern populations with the shortest genetic distance from the ancient Etruscans, based solely on mtDNA and FST, were Tuscans followed by the Turks, other populations from the Mediterranean and the Cornish after. This study was much criticized by other geneticists, because "data represent severely damaged or partly contaminated mtDNA sequences" and "any comparison with modern population data must be considered quite hazardous", and by archaeologists, who argued that the study was not clear-cut and had not provided evidence that the Etruscans were an intrusive population to the European context

>In the collective volume Etruscology published in 2017, British archeologist Phil Perkins, echoing an article of his from 2009, provides an analysis of the state of DNA studies and writes, "none of the DNA studies to date conclusively prove that [the] Etruscans were an intrusive population in Italy that originated in the Eastern Mediterranean or Anatolia" and "there are indications that the evidence of DNA can support the theory that Etruscan people are autochthonous in central Italy"

>In his 2021 book A Short History of Humanity, German geneticist Johannes Krause, codirector of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Jena, concludes that it is likely that the Etruscan language (as well as Basque, Paleo-Sardinian and Minoan) "developed on the continent in the course of the Neolithic Revolution"

>>17798616
So what? A bunch of Lithuanians were found in Sicily buried alongside Greeks, they were mercenaries the Greeks hired to fight against the Carthaginians at the battle of Himera.

It's clear it's an outlier that was in Etruria because he was a merc or slave. Etruscans were mainly EEF and they also looked nothing like nordoids, we have their art, they had dark curly hair like the Romans, typical med looking people

>>17798812
>Etruscans were mainly EEF
See:>>17795918
>>17795921

>>17798789
>they don't speak and were maternally non-IE
Their religion was also founded by a cthonic demon named Tages. And their cults were very eastern like.

>In his latest book The living goddesses, Gimbutas has dedicated an entire chapter to the Etruscan civilization, including it in the group of historical civilizations derived from Ancient Europe of the Neolithic (Old Europe). Civilizations characterized by the cult of a Great Goddess of the earth, before the advent of warrior and patriarchal peoples (Kurgan) coming from the East

>Authoritative historians, both ancient and modern, have already underlined the importance of the feminine principle and of women in Etruscan religion and society, given that it is profoundly in dissonance with contemporary Greek and Roman societies. But only after the detailed historical, archaeological and myth-historical investigations of Gimbutas that it is possible to attest, with objective findings and scientific data, the original "matrifocal" character of the Etruscan civilization; without this, both the origins of Rome and of Christianity remain devoid of historical background.
Etruria, Rome, Christianity in fact constitute the parallel and founding historical roots of modern Europe; and it is to Ancient Neolithic Europe and the "Indo-European" invasions that we need to look to identify the original metahistorical motives and impulses which then, in historical times, made ancient Italy the seat of the first world empire and of the first religion of the West

>The main myth of the origins of the Etruscan religion, a religion "revealed" by a divine event, already contains all the key elements: according to the myth, the "revelation" would have taken place in the countryside of Tarquinia, by Tages, "son of mother earth ”, a genius born from a furrow opened in the earth, just like a true “son of the earth”

>>17798789
>they don't speak and were maternally non-IE
Their religion was also founded by a cthonic daemon named Tages. And their cults were very eastern like.

>In his latest book The living goddesses, Gimbutas has dedicated an entire chapter to the Etruscan civilization, including it in the group of historical civilizations derived from Ancient Europe of the Neolithic (Old Europe). Civilizations characterized by the cult of a Great Goddess of the earth, before the advent of warrior and patriarchal peoples (Kurgan) coming from the East

>Authoritative historians, both ancient and modern, have already underlined the importance of the feminine principle and of women in Etruscan religion and society, given that it is profoundly in dissonance with contemporary Greek and Roman societies. But only after the detailed historical, archaeological and myth-historical investigations of Gimbutas that it is possible to attest, with objective findings and scientific data, the original "matrifocal" character of the Etruscan civilization; without this, both the origins of Rome and of Christianity remain devoid of historical background

>Etruria, Rome, Christianity in fact constitute the parallel and founding historical roots of modern Europe; and it is to Ancient Neolithic Europe and the "Indo-European" invasions that we need to look to identify the original metahistorical motives and impulses which then, in historical times, made ancient Italy the seat of the first world empire and of the first religion of the West

>The main myth of the origins of the Etruscan religion, a religion "revealed" by a divine event, already contains all the key elements: according to the myth, the "revelation" would have taken place in the countryside of Tarquinia, by Tages, "son of mother earth ”, a genius born from a furrow opened in the earth, just like a true “son of the earth”

>>17798911
>The aspect of the genius Tages is paradoxical, exceptional, being a divine and supernatural being: he has the appearance of an infant, but he possesses the wisdom of a wise old man. It is the well-known archetypal motif of the puer-senex. At her unexpected appearance, the lucumons, the Etruscan priest-kings, gather and transcribe the Tagetic (or Acherontic) Books, concerning the secrets of the underworld, the dark telluric womb of the earth-goddess. The importance of the feminine principle in the Etruscan religion clearly emerges from the myth

>Historians and chroniclers of the Roman age have unanimously handed down that the major Etruscan divinity was a goddess, Voltumna. Representatives of the twelve Etruscan regions went annually to the national shrine dedicated to her, the Fanum Voltumnae of Volsinii, to celebrate the common cult and common origins. The confederation of the twelve tribes was in fact founded on a sacred alliance, not on political or military bases

>To answer it is necessary to remove the Roman, Christian, medieval and modern stratifications that have superimposed themselves on the original figure of the Etruscan goddess

>“The goddess Volturna or Voltumna of the Etruscans corresponds to the goddess Fortuna of the Romans, names deriving from the ancient verb vote, which means "to reverse, to change": in fact the goddess Voltumna or Fortuna had the prerogative of being able to change the course of events" (from Clemente Lanzi, Historical memories on the castrense region, Farnese). The aforementioned definition has always been considered appropriate by linguists and scholars of the Etruscan past

>>17798913
>But, during the twenty years of Fascism, the founding father of modern studies of "Etruscology", Professor Massimo Pallottino, developed and made known in one of his successful books, translated into several languages, what he believed was the identity of Voltumna: a bisexual god, perhaps androgynous, patron of war and… of fertility, sometimes with monstrous features...

>Today, we can see that Prof. Pallottine did not detect a basic historical datum: in all the pantheons of polytheistic religions of the historical age – Rome, Greece, Egypt, Crete, Mesopotamia, etc. – the assembly of gods was always ruled by a couple, a male sky god and an earth goddess. And this is also the case of the Etruscan religion, whose pantheon was led by Veltha (in Latin Veltumnus or Vertumnus), the sun god, and by Voltumna who can be compared to the Fortuna of the Romans

>In the archaic age the goddess had various names and epithets: Urcla, Urthia, Ursia, Norzia. Her characteristics are evident: she is the goddess with the cornucopia from which come the fruits of the earth, the fertilizing waters and all the abundant wealth of the earthly world

>The goddess was also at the center of an astral cult: her priestesses (lasae) – whose rich tombs were found in Bolsena – attended a special rite mentioned in the ancient chronicles. During the traditional annual assembly in honor of the goddess, at the temple of Volsinii, a long nail was ritually driven into a cell of the temple of the goddess. The ritual served to magically fix the passage of time, according to a measurement of time useful for the formulation of the sacred calendar

>>17798916
>In other words, the cult of the stars, astronomical observation and that of lightning were practiced at the temple of Voltumna (ars fulguralis) that a woman, “nymph and sibyl”, lasa Vecu, he had revealed to the "fulgurator" of Chiusi Arruns Velthumnus

>The primary role played by Etruscan women in the religious sphere is testified precisely by the tradition relating to lasae; nymphs and sibyls in the fable transposition, but people who really existed in important social and religious contexts, as followers of the famous and renowned Etruscan "discipline", a body of knowledge jealously preserved in sacred books, concerning the laws of Heaven, Earth and Hell

>Another aspect of the Etruscan goddess is manifested in the totemic icon of the Capitoline she-wolf: the underworld, chthonic aspect, typical of a goddess of the volcanic subsoil, queen of the dark forces of the underworld

>Etruscan Hades, as evidenced by the frescoes of Orvieto (Golini tomb) and Tarquinia (Orcus tomb) and various figurative finds, was the kingdom of Aita and Phersipnai, depicted as wolf-gods

>Pliny, in Natural history, says that a "monster" called Volta lived in Volsinii (Bolsena), who killed, burned and terrorized the population of the lake. To defeat him rushed Porsenna, lucumone and fulgurator of Chiusi

>Lake Bolsena is the second largest volcanic lake in the world, its slopes of lava and tuff have always been seismic territory, with telluric fumes coming out and volcanic thermalism phenomena. The infernal force of the lake-volcano was for the Etruscans, not the "monster” fabled by the Roman Pliny, but rather the dangerous aspect of the goddess, in her role as queen of the chthonic world

>In six Etruscan funerary urns (from Volterra and Chiusi), the sculptural reliefs show the same scene: the lucumone and the fulgurator Porsenna stop the monster Volta with a ritual gesture as he is about to emerge from a well; the appearance of the monster is that of the wolf

>>17798921
>The monster Pliny was therefore the volcano itself, its frightening awakenings and upheavals. His name, Volta, is homologous to that of the great goddess Voltumna

>The she-wolf of the legend of Rome dates back to a religion much older than Rome itself. The cult of the wolf was widespread among many peoples of ancient Italy: Dauni, Lucani, Irpini, Latins, Sabines, Etruscans and others.
Alongside the she-wolf, in later times, Romulus and Remus, the twins (from the Etruscan name) were added. According to a well-known interpretation, the Roman twins would be in connection with the Hellenic cult of the Dioscuri, particularly widespread in the warlike Sparta. But since we are in the presence of an archaic mythologeme, multifaceted and prismatic, it is also possible to evaluate a different view

>The myth of twins, one of whom is destined to die, dates back to the patriarchal and warrior world of the first Neolithic hunters, where the killing of a chosen victim, animal or human, was a fundamental and necessary part of the sacrificial rite

>The death of one of the twins alludes to the annual sacrifice of a victim, the scapegoat, in use in ancient societies of hunting peoples and the cultures derived from them

>The fratricidal myth is typical of cultures marked by war practices, the so-called "societies of domination" and can be seen tragically in action in the progressive rise of the history of Rome; after the Etruscans, who had founded it, were driven out, a period of endless internal wars began for Rome in the XNUMXth century PEC. Etruria was definitively conquered only in the middle of the XNUMXrd century. The bloodbath continued with the successive civil wars, between Mario and Silla, between Caesar and Antonio, up to the conquest of Europe and then of Egypt and Asia
.

>>17798921
>The monster Pliny was therefore the volcano itself, its frightening awakenings and upheavals. His name, Volta, is homologous to that of the great goddess Voltumna

>The she-wolf of the legend of Rome dates back to a religion much older than Rome itself. The cult of the wolf was widespread among many peoples of ancient Italy: Dauni, Lucani, Irpini, Latins, Sabines, Etruscans and others

>Alongside the she-wolf, in later times, Romulus and Remus, the twins (from the Etruscan name) were added. According to a well-known interpretation, the Roman twins would be in connection with the Hellenic cult of the Dioscuri, particularly widespread in the warlike Sparta. But since we are in the presence of an archaic mythologeme, multifaceted and prismatic, it is also possible to evaluate a different view

>The myth of twins, one of whom is destined to die, dates back to the patriarchal and warrior world of the first Neolithic hunters, where the killing of a chosen victim, animal or human, was a fundamental and necessary part of the sacrificial rite

>The death of one of the twins alludes to the annual sacrifice of a victim, the scapegoat, in use in ancient societies of hunting peoples and the cultures derived from them

>The fratricidal myth is typical of cultures marked by war practices, the so-called "societies of domination" and can be seen tragically in action in the progressive rise of the history of Rome; after the Etruscans, who had founded it, were driven out, a period of endless internal wars began for Rome in the XNUMXth century PEC. Etruria was definitively conquered only in the middle of the XNUMXrd century. The bloodbath continued with the successive civil wars, between Mario and Silla, between Caesar and Antonio, up to the conquest of Europe and then of Egypt and Asia

>>17798816
Etruscans were clearly not ''white'' as in the nordicist conception of it, look at those frescoes, nordicists would call those people ''nafri'' or ''jews'' or ''arabs'' nowadays, for the same features (dark curly hair, dark eyes, olive skin tone) they tell med people of today that they are not ''white'' lol. You are just coping with literally 1 sample who was likely a merc/slave, while ignoring other samples coming from all over the place, it seems Etruscans were a very heterogeneous population in general. Which is another anathema for wignat nordicists

And why do you do all this anyway? Because your dear nordoids had no civilization of their own, they had mudhuts and illiteracy, all that we know about them is thanks to the Greeks and Romans writing about them, they started writing rudimentary shit literally millennia after the Greeks and Romans, how embarrassing

>>17795918
>>17795921
>>17798816
>>17798970
They had less steppe than modern Tuscans and were very dark in comparison. That sentence is only mentioning the fact that they were descended from Bell Beakers.

>>17798731
>>white people were posting again
>US
>White
KEK

Do people in this thread not realize you can have white people and olive skinned people from the same country and they can be from the same exact village with almost the same exact genetic lineage yet still have slight different in pigmentations without having an ancestor who was a rape-slave to some imaginary brown conqueror a millennium ago? In Mediterranean climates this often happens, and especially in places like Italy.

medjeets wont like this thread lads!

reminder that anyone larping as roman is a latinx until proven otherwise

>>17798718
she's a nordic princess

>>17796065
>pic
Where did all the E in modern greeks come from then?

>>17798155
Kek true

>>17795997
They had a shitload of J2. You have to be either a bot or a severely mentally ill shill.

>>17794799 (OP)
a proud nordic in rome

>>17799295
perhaps thracians