How did America lose the Vietnam war when
>1.America has the higher kill count than Vietnam
>2. Vietnam signed the Peace Treaty &
>3. Vietnam has Mcdonalds and Starbucks?

>>17795619 (OP)
vietnam broke american culture and politics in ways that still resonate heavily to this day
any tactical coping goalpost moving victory pales in comparison to that

>>17795619 (OP)
>America has the higher kill count than Vietnam
nobody gave a shit then or now
>2. Vietnam signed the Peace Treaty
that was broken immediately and the north took over the entire country
>3. Vietnam has Mcdonalds and Starbucks?
international goyslop corps got into vietnam so american pride is salvaged?
grim
fucking grim anon

The goal in Vietnam was never to win. It was to test weapons technology.

>>17795619 (OP)
America did not militarily lose in Vietnam. They pulled out under pressure from the left, many of whom were the useful idiots of the Soviet Union.

>>17795619 (OP)
>how did Americans lose

Viet Kong (the people US was fighting) won the war and took over the government and our boys (the ARVN) got btfo, simple as. Vietnam is still a communist country.

The fact that they have good relations with the US today is a hedge against Chinese influence in their country.

>>17795714
my dad is a vietnam vet and all those guys naturally want to justify and reframe things
but all the ones I've talked to admit the the VC ran circles around them the entire time and the ARVN were "fucking useless"

>>17795619 (OP)
1. Secretary of defense Charles hagel admitted to widespread wartime casualty figure manipulation. American sources for kill count are inherently unreliable at best and are a total fabrication at worst. If you do use the official stats(which were admitted by the u.s. government itself to be complete lies) the communist claim 800k for all communist troops that is nva, vc, Laos, Cambodian, Chinese and Soviet. The “allies” side shows a casualty count of around 400k that counts arvn, USA, etc. that’s a 1:2 ratio. Not bad for poor farmers fighting the world’s strongest military. Also that 400k is a lie and the real figure is much higher.

3. Vietnam has McDonald’s and Starbucks.

So what? How is that a win for America? It’s a win for Jew billionaires.

Also those pale in comparison to the sheer amount of Vietnamese restaurants in the u.s. I promise you Vietnamese restaurants in America vastly outnumber a couple McDonald’s in Vietnam. Also communist have infiltrated American society from top to bottom. American elite education is literally just communist propaganda school.

>>17795714
>Vietnam is still a communist country.
Run by a communist party*
No self respecting Marxist would look at modern Vietnam and call it communist

>>17795714
>Viet Kong (the people US was fighting) won the war
Vietkong ceased to exist during tet offensive

you cant beat Asians/Russians in a land war.

Mutts will soon realise this when they attack China and their Empire collpases as a result of it. And that attack will happen within next 4-5 years before China starts producing its own chips/GPUs

>>17795885
You know most billionaires aren't jews right?

>>17795619 (OP)
Because they didn't achieve their objective.

>>17795619 (OP)
Vietnam kills corrupt Jewish bankers which by comparison are religious idols in America who are worshiped as living gods

>>17795714
>Viet Kong (the people US was fighting) won the war and took over the government
This is why I don't take people seriously on this board. Viet Cong was eradicated during the Tet Offensive, they suffered so many casualties that they effectively ceased to exist as a coherent force.

There were multiple factions in the Vietnam War. Th Viet Cong were a guerilla insurgency, but the main enemy that the US was fighting were the North Vietnamese Army, who largely avoided direct clashes with the US and let the VC absorb the brunt of the US military's wrath. Which is why after the Tet Offensive failed, the NVA was relatively intact still and perfectly positioned to sweep over the south after the US withdrew.

>>17795619 (OP)
>America has the higher kill count than Vietnam
It wasn't a war of attrition for Vietnam so it doesn't matter.
>>2. Vietnam signed the Peace Treaty
Yeah, on their terms.
>>3. Vietnam has Mcdonalds and Starbucks?
50k+ Americans died so that a McDonald's and a Starbucks could open up 40 years later even though they would've let you do that back in the 1950s if you had actually kicked out the french instead of letting Vietnam fall to Soviet influence.

Good job ameritard.

>>17796119
based as fuck

>>17795885
>The “allies” side shows a casualty count of around 400k that counts arvn, USA, etc. that’s a 1:2 ratio
US had only 56k war dead from Vietnam, and the US were the ones dealing out the majority of the death in the Vietnam War, not the "allies" who were utterly worthless without American support. A handful of American troops at a position was the difference between total slaughter of the enemy or the position being overrun.

>>17796119
the obvious solution to the dilemna in pic rel is just to reject rigorous procedure and accept arbitrary punishments (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)
>seems like your private enterprise generates more revenue than the royal domain
>unfortunately for you, I can raise and army and you can't, therefore I will seize all your assets and redistribute them to friends of the nations in smaller shares (along with a large share for me)
>no, you cannot contest this royal decree. Get bent, rich boy, lmao.

>>17796133
Those war dead figures are a complete and total fabrication. Try having a take that is based in reality and not neocon propaganda.

>>17796285
So you claim the heavily attested numbers of US war dead are false, based on what data? Some communist blog?

>>17795910
>No self respecting Marxist would look at modern Vietnam and call it communist
No country has ever achieved a communist society and the ones ran by communist parties only claimed to reach socialism, but the actual point being made here is that Vietnam is still ran by a communist movement, which it is. That is what people mean by "communist country".

>>17795619 (OP)
The Vietnam War is a cautionary tale on project management. It's considered a loss for the United States because the US never reached their goals of having an independent South Vietnam as a bulwark against Soviet influence in South East Asia. In Vietnam itself, the US is not considered a direct loser, and the war itself was a Civil War. This highlights the importance of your projects scope. If the US treated Vietnam like they were just there to support one side in a Civil War, then it would no be considered a direct loss for them, as you point out, the US had superior firepower, but that's not the point.

What's the point of signing a peace treaty if you can't maintain it after the North Vietnamese violated it?

As a millennial it seems like a complete and total betrayal of the South Vietnamese. Don't sign a treaty you don't intend to keep.