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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:18:40 PM No.17796216
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Why is religion separated from philosophy in the West, whereas in the East they are integrated?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:25:10 PM No.17796232
>>17796216 (OP)
Because Abrahamism is a lie. In the west religion is also separated from mysticism. Esotericism is where religion is still based in the west.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:33:48 PM No.17796253
>>17796216 (OP)
it's not really the case? Christian ethics and metaphysics are a rather large part of the religion itself. Modern Philosophy beyond Descartes however rode the coattail of the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment movement, that sought to disprove and disregard those previous movements.
Ironically enough most modern philosophical movements seem hellbent on burying Descartes more than his predecessor in Christian apologetics since he was at best a devout christian and at worst a deist, meaning every part of his philosophy make Man incapable of creating or even discerning conscious objects by himself without God.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:39:43 PM No.17796270
Western tradition of philosophy began in a pagan society where religion did not have a stranglehold on higher learning and scholarship. Religious domination of education only came later to the west, but it could not supplant the foundation of western philosophy, nor did it want to in any case, it simply incorporated the foundational ideas into the new religious doctrine wherever useful. Building on the seminal works of the ancients helped legitimize the new religious order of Europe and the middle east, it helped bridge the past with the present to create the illusion of continuity.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:42:35 PM No.17796274
>>17796216 (OP)
Because the whole point of the rest is godlessness. "Freedom" from God. That is what all the societies in the West are founded on, in being godless. Irreligious. The law of man.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:50:03 PM No.17796288
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>>17796216 (OP)
Unironic answer is because that's the Christian way
Secularism is part of the Christian dogma of "render unto Caesar".

Paganism always integrate itself into everyday lives where you are judged based on clans, star signs, and caste systems. Christianity doesn't. Just do your dues; your relationship with God is your own personal thing
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:00:56 PM No.17796448
>>17796288
>Just do your dues; your relationship with God is your own personal thing
This ignores the 2000 years of catholicism dominance and very real role in people's daily lives

>>17796216 (OP)
In the east philosophy developed alongside religion, which meant that philosophical principles like the search of virtue were coined and morphed into religions. Confucianism or the brahmins are a good example of this: they both were originally more of philosophy/group of intellectuals whose work eventually morphed into spirituality.
In the west, abrahamism spread after the existence of a pre-existing philosophical framework (the greeks) who coincidentally happened to be the founding of philosophy.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:36:59 PM No.17796553
>>17796448
>This ignores the 2000 years of catholicism dominance and very real role in people's daily lives
What? Festivals and masses aren't mandatory
They are for you to remember God and be as close to him and his people as possible
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 1:08:10 AM No.17796859
>>17796216 (OP)
Because “western philosophy” amounts to Greek and literally one Roman philosophers who lived centuries before these large western religions were founded. Taoism and Confucianism on the other hand are both religions and philosophies by foundation, and you can even argue that the ritual elements of each formed later after their founders. It’s not that big of a mystery.
>>17796232
>something is true as long as its syncretic with specific schools of philosophy
Your brain on relativistic thinking, folks. Beliefs that contain the truth have no need to lose their foundations through syncretism. Integration of falsehood just creates more holes.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:18:12 PM No.17797799
>>17796216 (OP)
Western philosophy continues the tradition of pre-Christian Greek and Roman philosophers such as Aristotle. After the introduction of Christianity, it became necessary to separate philosophy from religion.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:22:13 PM No.17797801
>>17796216 (OP)
long story short? (by comparison)

rome tried to ditch their own framework for a shoddily-patched-together syncretic combination of anything that would give them power regardless of its origin or actual background, and anybody in their immediate vicinity had to either kiss the ring in certain institutional aspects or be seen as a threat