Haplogroup History - /his/ (#17797439) [Archived: 694 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/28/2025, 6:25:05 AM No.17797439
8000 BC
8000 BC
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Instead of grouping people by culture and attempting to associate haplogroups with them, why not treat haplogroups as the source of truth and then associate cultures with them?

This map covers Y Haplogroup movement up to 8000 BC, which means it is tracking all of the male bloodlines.

Full video with more time periods here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ru3Vkjvt_g

What do you notice?

A couple things I notice off the bad:
- P comes from Southeast Asia, then moves up into central Asia and becomes R. That's the origin of R!
- R expansion really begins around 12k BC, which is around the start of the Meltwater Pulse 1A. They may be either moving away from a flooded area or moving into areas that were wrecked by floods, crop failure, and chaos. If R is a raiding culture, then it makes sense they would move in at this time.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 6:49:36 AM No.17797478
R1b
R1b
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>>17797439 (OP)
Ok, that graphic seems to be a tad bit inaccurate. I found this nuance in another video: R1a is the brain that went into the northern steppes. The Ukrainians and the Yamnaya are R1a.

On the other hand, R1b moved into Bactria and then Mesopotamia, splitting off from the northern R haplogroup. They settled Mesopotamia as early as 20k BC per this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3q1TK57wE

I'm wondering if there was an R1a vs R1b rivalry. Obviously, it's the R1b native terrain where cities emerge, and it's the R1a terrain where raid warfare emerges.

Additionally, if we assume early humans could have had transoceanic ability, then this also potentially explains that. R1b is by the ocean, R1a is not. R1b is also found in northeastern native americans (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas). Authors say " R1b was most likely introduced through admixture during the post-1492 European settlement of North America", but I'd remain skeptical of that unless proof was somehow provided.

Extrapolating a bit further, this would mean that R1b are Atlanteans, and R1a are Aryans.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 6:54:14 AM No.17797483
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>>17797478
>Authors say " R1b was most likely introduced through admixture during the post-1492 European settlement of North America", but I'd remain skeptical of that unless proof was somehow provided.

Politically correct academics say that, except the DNA evidence pretty clearly shows an ancient maritime migration from Europe. If it was post-Columbian, then the greatest concentration of R-DNA would be in Central and South America, not the backwoods of N.America.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 6:55:22 AM No.17797486
>>17797478
>brain
kek that is supposed to say "branch"
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 6:59:23 AM No.17797490
>>17797483
The X haplogroup is more certain proof that the transatlantic voyages occurred. The question is which Y groups accompanied them and how.

I've long been on the Solutrean train, but if I'm understanding this correctly, then Solutrean would be primarily I, C, and/or N because those are the ones in western Europe around 20k years ago.

If it's R1b coming from the Middle East that sailed out to the Americas, then it matches Phoenician navigation patterns, but I don't know what else to say about it. No history or myth that I know of would cover the time before they're already coming _back_ from Atlantis because it's destroyed, and that's just 10-12k BC.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:16:06 AM No.17797506
>>17797490
>if I'm understanding this correctly, then Solutrean would be primarily I, C, and/or N because those are the ones in western Europe around 20k years ago.
Expanding on this a little...

C1a and C1b are the C haplogroup in western Europe that starting coming over with the Aurignacian peoples, but it's C2 that appears in Native Americans, and C2 split off from C1 before this excursion to Europe, so the C connection seems unlikely.

Haplogroup I is found only in paleolithic European sites, so it's also unlikely to have gone far. Definitely no evidence of it reaching the Americas.

There's also no Haplogroup N in the Americas, although it is more spread throughout northern Eurasia.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:20:39 AM No.17797509
haplo story
haplo story
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I asked chat gpt to tell me the story of mankind as haplogroup migrations.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:23:40 AM No.17797515
R1a vs R1b
R1a vs R1b
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More
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:27:28 AM No.17797520
>>17797490
More:
>Fregel et al. 2009a extracted 30 samples of Y-DNA from Guanches of the Canary Islands. These belonged to the paternal haplogroups E1a*, (3.33%), E1b1b1a* (23.33%), E1b1b1b* (26.67%), I* (6.67%), J1* (16.67%), K*, P* (3.33%), and R1b1b2 (10.00%)

R1b in the Guanche is interesting. The Guanche would be the most comparable to Atlanteans I think.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:59:05 AM No.17797556
>>17797520
I just double checked my ancestry, which goes back to old Irish kings, and I am R1b. Interesting.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:05:27 AM No.17797569
danube
danube
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The first place R1b migrated to in Europe? Tha Danube. Is this the Tribe of Dan? The Tuaatha de Danaan as well.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:25:13 AM No.17797590
R1b moves north
R1b moves north
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This is a really interesting segment here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3q1TK57wE, about 14:13 in.

R1b is already moving north into the steppe as early as 11k to 4k BC. This actually precedes the Corded Ware culture. The Yamnaya actually are R1b, but Corded Ware is R1a. R1a is what goes on to be Persians, Indians (Brahmin), and it also has a large density in Germany today. I believe R1a in Germany is the Ashkenazi, because R1a is also very dense in Ukraine, which is Khazaria, which is where the Ashkenazi are supposedly from. This means R1a is the Scythian line (Scythia -> Scuta -> Scota, Scythia -> Ascanius -> Julius Caesar's paternal ancestry), and R1b is Celtic line. Meaning, the old war was Celts vs Scyths.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:51:00 AM No.17797613
Let me recap my thoughts now:

My hunch is western vs eastern Europeans. In haplogroups, this is R1b vs R1a. I think R1b is Atlantean, and R1a is Aryan (literally, they became Persian kings and Hindu Brahmin).

Ukraine is a hotbed for R1a, and R1a is the haplogroup for Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi descend from Khazars, who were living there in 600 AD. These are the majority of the people we call "Jews" today. That means Jew and Aryan are the same thing.

That is, if you take them at their word. The riddle with Jews is that you have so many people saying that they are not what they claim to be. It's in the New Testament, where Jesus calls out "Jews who say they are Jews but are not" and "the synagogues of satan" that were actually predominantly in Anatolia, of the ones mentioned in the bible.

But if you look at the haplogroup movement that I shared, the original R haplogroup in the region of Judea would have been R1b. This also connects it back to Atlanteans and supports my interesting, albeit thin, thesis that it is essentially western vs eastern europeans beneath all of this madness in history.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:14:42 AM No.17797625
>>17797613
Ok, let's refine this a bit.

R1a Ashkenazi are the Persians who took their J2 Ashkenazi captives from Canaan into Russia. Those J2 are associated with Phoenicians, Hittites, and Greeks. J2 was contacted by Atlanteans but may have never left the Mediterranean themselves, as there is no evidence it reached the Americas.

R1b however did reach the Americas, so the narrative would be that R1b came back from America, met J2, and founded Greece and Egypt. Or, "Israel" as this state may have developed as a fusion of these realms. It's the J2 Canaanites from that period who were the slaves brought to Russia by the Persian Aryans. Thus, the real "Jews" are J2, the real Aryans are R1a, and the real Atlanteans are R1b.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:23:36 AM No.17797632
Everything you posted is outdated and completely obsolete.
All your maps are incorrect and you generally don't know enough about this topic to discuss it.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:26:16 AM No.17797637
>>17797625
>the real Aryans are R1a
>the real "Jews" are J2
Closing the loop on this, the actual Abrahamic myth evolves out of R1a being kings of J2 peoples. R1a Persians, who created Zoroastrianism, also created the first Zionist movement. They wrote the Old Testament, so they are the kings in those legends. The J2 are the people beneath them who are the majority of the country but are not of the lines to be king. This is the difference between Judah and Israel (in the myth of course).

So, the Jew kings are Aryan, and the Jew slaves are Italian/Greek/Phoenician. In other words, the primary characteristics that we ascribe to "Jews" today derive from the slave class of Jews, not their nobility, who are the ones actually running the show.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:36:05 AM No.17797653
>>17797637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnljdf8-PNk

J apparently originates right around Goebleki Tepe's founding, so this matches almost too perfectly.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:39:51 AM No.17797762
>>17797653
I'm also reading Minoans are J2: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5565772/

But Greece at large is hard to define as one thing. There is a lot of J2 in Ancient Greek, but there's also R1a and R1b, so the area seems like a big mixing pot by that era.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:49:18 AM No.17797766
A great question here would be trying to tie languages to these different lines. I'm guessing J2 could be called "semitic" but R1b might the true "hebrews" because Hebrew has a lot in common with Gaelic. R1b developed written language (tartaria tablet, phoenician script), but R1a also blended with J2 and other groups to create Aramaic, Sumerian, etc because these civilizations were greatly affected by R1a incursion from the north.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:19:47 PM No.17798413
Bump
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:32:55 PM No.17798438
>>17797762
There isn't any R1a in ancient Greeks.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:35:04 PM No.17798442
>>17798438
Wrong. Ancient Greeks were Turks and Turks have a lot of R1a.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:37:26 PM No.17798444
>>17798442
>wrong
It's not wrong. I've seen all the studies about ancient Greeks. They have many different haplogroups, but not R1a. The most common are J2, R1b (various subclades actually, Z2103 isn't even dominant), G2a, T, J1, E1b (but I don't think it's V13) even some L.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:25:50 PM No.17798586
>>17797483
>except the DNA evidence pretty clearly shows an ancient maritime migration from Europe.
It clearly doesn't, go look at where modern Amerindians with R belong to on a phylogenetic tree.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:04:56 PM No.17798903
migration-theories
migration-theories
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>>17798586

It clearly is, which is why academics have to concoct a ridiculous scenario where we're told that the ancient R ancestors of American Indians schlepped their way on foot from west to east across Ice Age Siberia and Alaska and half of Canada and somehow did so without leaving any R populations in Siberia, Alaska and half of Canada.

They're blowing smoke up your ass.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:31:31 PM No.17798932
>>17798903
Amerindians with R have post-columbian European R.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:56:19 PM No.17798949
>>17798903
Did Solutreans have R though? If not, might have to develop a new origin from the eastern hemisphere. I believe some R1b found its way to Iberia, but not sure they were Solutrean.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:05:38 AM No.17799273
>>17798903
>It clearly is
You are clearly retarded. Where is pre Columbian R on FamilyTreeDNA or YFull?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:33:24 AM No.17799686
>>17799273
Explain.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:46:12 AM No.17799711
>>17798949
No. They would be C or I.
>R1b
In the Mesolithic it was R-V88.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:04:37 AM No.17799757
>>17799711
>R-V88
On a quick search, I'm not seeing that in Native Americans.

That being said, it's also possible that the natives with true paleolithic blood from the west of Europe/Asia/Africa (instead of the east, like the official narrative) would have not mixed. There are legends of southwest natives hunting cannibalistic giants to extinction. These giants were said to have red hair.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:28:27 AM No.17800189
>>17799686
If Amerindian R is derived from Solutreans(assuming Solutreans have R) they would form downstream clades of R-V88 none of which exist in any database.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:31:02 AM No.17800193
>>17798444
Most Ancient Greeks were J2, then G2a. R1b in Geeks were subclades of Z2103 or PF7562, both making up a small percentage of total Ancient Greeks.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:33:40 PM No.17800353
>>17800189
How confident are we in the completeness of this database? Are you familiar with the Si-Te-Cah? I'm imagining tribes like that could also be the downstream destination of Solutrean R, which was ultimately lost. The _other_ R could be indeed from a much more recent european contact, maybe Phoenician sailors if we want to go the era before the Medieval.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:50:00 PM No.17800376
R1b-v2
R1b-v2
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>>17800353
>>17800189
To add to this point, how about all of the supposed giant native americans that were hidden? How many skeletons were stolen or lost? Could there be any relation to some pre-Younger Dryas R group Haplogroup from the Phoenician or Iberian sailors of approx 20k BC?

Look at this map. We have R1b already in Mesopotamia as early as 23k years ago. I really have a hard time believing they would have needed 7000 years just to migrate to Armenia or another 7000 years to Anatolia. I think they could have gotten to the coast in 20k BC, and this would have accelerated their ability to become sailors, which might be the real source of the Guanche, the Basque, the Atlanteans, and some of those lost native tribes like the Si-Te-Cah.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:56:47 PM No.17800383
>>17800353
>How confident are we in the completeness of this database?
Yfull has been established since 2013, the same year FamilyTreeDNA offered high resolution Y-DNA testing. Considering both companies have sequenced very rare/basal subclades worldwide there is a zero percent chance of pre Colombian R.

>Are you familiar with the Si-Te-Cah? I
Oral history has no bearing to archaeogenetics. Sequenced Amerindian R is downstream of European settlers, this is not about political correctness the evidence just doesn't exist.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:00:47 PM No.17800389
>>17800383
>Considering both companies have sequenced very rare/basal subclades worldwide there is a zero percent chance of pre Colombian R.
How are you so confident in this?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:04:04 PM No.17800395
>>17800389
You are being deliberately obtuse might as well claim that modern humans have Neandrathal or Denisovan Y-DNA on the off chance they have never been sampled.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:08:57 PM No.17800400
>>17800395
I genuinely don't know how much we can even say that we know about ancient genetics. We have footprints from 20k BC in New Mexico but no DNA from that period that I'm aware of.

So if the evidence we're using to describe the distribution of humans in 20k BC is limited in scope, then we should acknowledge that limited level of confidence in our knowledge. How many settlements of any kind from 20k years ago have we found? Are we seriously going to assume they only lived where we've found already?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:14:48 PM No.17800408
>>17800376
The maps you post are incorrect. They are all old maps that were proven wrong by ancient DNA.

R1b is either Central Asian/Central Siberian or East European. There are no other options.
The vast majority of it, maybe even the entire R-L754 clade is European.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:16:21 PM No.17800412
>>17800400
Easiest explanation is that the original atlanteans were haplogroup C1a2, and then mixed with other haplogroups including R and possibly I. These R haplogroup ancient north eurasians then took part in the mining operations in the great lakes 7k years ago, which explains the r y dna mixed with the x mtdna. Copper from these north american mines has been irrefutably linked to ancient copper items found in eurasia
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:19:33 PM No.17800419
>>17800400
There are multiple studies done on Amerindian genetics if they do have pre Columbian non Berinigian ancestry it would have already been noted such as contact between Polynesians and South Americans.

>>17800408
He clearly has an agenda if is using outdated sources.

>>17800412
There are no pre Columbian subclades of the haplogroups you've listed.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:21:55 PM No.17800428
>>17800419
As far as I'm aware we don't know if the R haplogroup is pre colombian or not, all we know is the it is 7k years old. As for the X haplogroup that is pretty obviously pre Columbian despite attempts to claim otherwise
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:23:14 PM No.17800432
>>17800428
Sorry I meant that specific R subclade in North east america is 7k
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:25:42 PM No.17800437
>>17800432
It's all M269.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:26:06 PM No.17800439
>>17800428
>As far as I'm aware we don't know if the R haplogroup is pre colombian or not, all we know is the it is 7k years old.
Are you dumb? There are zero samples of pre Columbian R we already gone over this. Using low resolution studies of modern Amerindian uniparentals to prove that R is pre Columbian is a fallacy.

>As for the X haplogroup that is pretty obviously pre Columbian despite attempts to claim otherwise
No one has made this a claim otherwise, Kennick man has X.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:27:41 PM No.17800443
>>17797632
How the fuck do retards even find shit like R1b Solutreans from the Middle East in North America, in 2025? Do they go to web archives to read stuff from 2008? The American R1b was from Elizabeth Warren tier natives, and we have a hundred Paleolithic European samples now with no R, plus hundreds more Middle Eastern samples that show R is not from there.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:29:08 PM No.17800445
>>17800439
>There are zero samples of pre Columbian R found
Ok and? Smithsonian has a long history snatching up any weird skeletons found in north america.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:32:19 PM No.17800449
>>17800439
>Using low resolution studies of modern Amerindian uniparentals to prove that R is pre Columbian is a fallacy.
It's pretty simple, copper from the great laks has been found in bronze age tools in eurasia, amerindians in northeast america have R haplogroup ydna and x mtdna both of which are found only in eurasia, its just common sense man.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:34:56 PM No.17800453
>>17800445
Smithsonian doesn't prevent modern Amerindians from genetic testing. mtDNA X has both ancient and modern samples with an estimated TRMCA that pre dates European contact, Y-DNA R doesn't. See >>17800443 there is no evidence of R1b Solutreans.

>>17800449
Do you even know what a subclade is?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:39:14 PM No.17800457
>>17800432
Prove it, let's see their phylogenetic position.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:40:04 PM No.17800458
>>17800453
I am not referring to solutreans, I am referring to Ancient North Eurasians, Amerindians also have ANE ancestry funnily enough, what a coincidence. You don't know if R ydna in native americans is pre-colombian that is an assumption
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:41:19 PM No.17800460
>>17800457
Nigga I don't know the fuck that means do it yourself
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:44:03 PM No.17800464
>>17800458
We know.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/tree
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:45:15 PM No.17800466
>>17800458
>I am referring to Ancient North Eurasians, Amerindians also have ANE ancestry funnily enough, what a coincidence.
If Amerinidan R is ANE related they would not belong to the same subclade as colonial Europeans.

>You don't know if R ydna in native americans is pre-colombian that is an assumption
Go look through any commerical database and what subclades Amerindians belong to its that simple.

>>17800460
You made the claim Amerindian R dates to 7k not me.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:05:53 PM No.17800487
>>17800464
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, that haplo is old as fuck
>>17800466
>You made the claim Amerindian R dates to 7k not me.
I'll have to look it up I remember reading it somewhere, but all I can find is that the northeast amerindian r1b is R-M269 which was born 4k-10k years ago. Normally I would agree it is probably european in origin but its high rate in the same areas as haplo x tells me its ANE or a very similiar population.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:13:05 PM No.17800495
>>17800487
>that haplo is old as fuck
It's the entire R1b (R-M343) tree. If there was unique Amerind R1b it should be there.

R-M269 is colonial. ANE didn't have it. The oldest M269 is from Europe.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:20:33 PM No.17800505
>>17800495
Tarim Basin Mummies have R1a and they are mostly Ancient North Eurasian. We also don't have access to much ANE bodies so I don't think it's inconceivable a group with majority ANE with euro r1b was around elsewhere as well
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:32:19 PM No.17800515
>>17800505
No, all Tarim Basin samples were R1b. You really don't understand how this whole thing works.
The Tarim R1b is the earliest R1b split.

On familytreedna this subclade is called R-BY14355.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY14355/tree

If there was any R1a in Tarim samples it was most likely from Andronovo.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:34:12 PM No.17800519
>>17800505
Only Tarim EMBA is mostly ANE and doesn't have R1a (just like Botai and WSHG).
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:40:32 PM No.17800541
>>17800515
Most tarim basin mummies have r1a, and yes it was probably from andronovo, my point is that majority ANE populations can have european ydna. But the oldest found R-M269 is 10k years old as well, it's only associated with europeans because it had such reproductive success in europe populations. It's not inconceivable an elite ANE group passed it on to euro ancestors.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:43:30 PM No.17800548
>>17800519
Well ok you're right but still R1b M269 is old as fuck at 10k
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:45:34 PM No.17800551
>>17800541
They don't. They are R1b. The Xiaohe mummies are all R1b.
>But the oldest found R-M269 is 10k years old as well
It's not. I think the oldest one is from 4000 BCE which is close to its TMRCA.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:47:11 PM No.17800553
>>17797613
Jews are matrilineal so you should be looking at the mdna instead
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:54:43 PM No.17800572
>>17800551
>oldest one is from 4000 BCE which is close to its TMRCA.
That's by Lazaridis isn't it? Older studies say 10k or 13k so I won't say it's certain that's just one possibilty
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:58:17 PM No.17800575
>>17800572
I mean oldest sample. M269 isn't that old. It's clearly Indo-European and expanded with steppe people.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:01:15 PM No.17800578
>>17800575
Might be this one.

>Nevinnomyskiy 3 was a man who lived between 3776 - 3652 BCE during the Eneolithic Age and was found in the region now known as Nevinnomyskiy, Stavropol Krai, Russian Federation.
I remember reading how the oldest M269 has been recently found North of Caucasus.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:05:10 PM No.17800582
>>17800575
Well it wouldn't be surprising if there aren't older samples which have not been discovered or were destroyed. The Scythians were already pillaging steppe mounds thousands of years ago. I can't see the progenitor of such a successful haplo being a yamnaya hick chieftain buried in a grave so lame nobody even bothered to loot or reuse it.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:09:45 PM No.17800594
>>17800582
That's usually how it goes. The guys with the richest Khvalynsk graves lost to the M269 clade. All the early kurgans and rich graves have V1636 haplogroup which is rather rare today.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:52:32 PM No.17801000
>>17800515
>https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY14355/tree

Nice layout but the site requires a subscription, can you post the charts for both R1a and R1b?
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:56:56 PM No.17801011
>>17797439 (OP)
>haplotard
you will never breed
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:01:33 PM No.17801377
>>17800412
>C1a2
Do you think these guys made it to North America, or that only occurred after the Younger Dryas?
Replies: >>17801400 >>17801903 >>17802891
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:12:21 PM No.17801400
11543543667
11543543667
md5: f1aed7e703389fd13ac5e0429a926bfb🔍
>>17801377
No, but C-M217 made it to America thanks to the great Russian-Ottoman Horde.
Replies: >>17801422
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:19:26 PM No.17801414
>>17800453
Help me understand something about genetics:

If you eliminate a male line completely, you remove all traces of that Y haplogroup in your society, right?

Let's suppose there was a Y haplogroup in America pre-Younger Dryas that is no longer in record, because they were entirely replaced by the Beringian migrants. Maybe some of the women did survive, so we see the X haplogroup showing the Atlantean travel patterns.

Is there a way to test genetic similarity from these populations with high X haplogroup to see if any genetic variants (besides haplogroups) relate to pre-Younger Dryas populations in Eurasia? I guess that doesn't eliminate the possibility of eastern migration, but I don't know how else to narrow this down.
Replies: >>17801459 >>17801903
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:22:01 PM No.17801422
>>17801400
>Columbus was a Russian-Ottoman general
wut
Replies: >>17801552
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:33:46 PM No.17801459
>>17801414
There's autosomal ancestry.

>X haplogroup
X isn't European. It clearly came to Europe with farmers after 6500 BCE. And it's not the American Indian subclade.
Replies: >>17801496
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:41:33 PM No.17801496
>>17801459
>X isn't European.
I'm not saying X came from Europe. Maybe they sailed directly out of the Mediterranean.
Replies: >>17801533
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:49:14 PM No.17801533
>>17801496
It's a different kind of X. American X and Middle Eastern X share an ancestor that lived around 12,000 BCE+/- 2000 years.
The oldest sample with X2a is Kennewick man. He looks like an American Indian and doesn't have Middle Eastern ancestry.

What most likely happen is X2 originating somewhere in Iran and migrating North and West, so its descendants were then found in American Indians X2a and Anatolian farmers X2b.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:56:02 PM No.17801552
1125434647
1125434647
md5: 27542cea882ecc6d4016155b5a345e90🔍
>>17801422
It's from Yaroslavl Museum of New Chronology, New Chronology is one of the funnier forms of Russian wewuzzing.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 12:53:45 AM No.17801903
>>17801377
No, just like R there are no pre Columbian Amerindian subclades in ancient or modern samples.

>>17801414
>Is there a way to test genetic similarity from these populations with high X haplogroup to see if any genetic variants
They already tested several ancient Amerindian samples none of them exhibit autosomal affinities towards old world populations whatever population contributed X was already diluted autosomally.
Replies: >>17802055
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 1:51:37 AM No.17802055
>>17801903
So, what is the first subclade to reach North America that we know of, and does this match the 20k BC footsteps in New Mexico and the 18k+ old remains on the east coast, or is that still a missing population? Is that who you are calling Atlantean, even if they didn't travel west?
Replies: >>17802364 >>17803346
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 3:33:20 AM No.17802364
>>17802055
From ancient DNA many different subclades of Q-M346 and C-BY63635.
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/Q-M346/tree
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/C-BY63635/tree
https://blog.familytreedna.com/haplogroup-c-paternal-american-lineage/

>Is that who you are calling Atlantean, even if they didn't travel west?
Zero evidence.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:55:46 AM No.17802770
lydna
lydna
md5: fec15ed9b419e43e49517efa73fbb3e0🔍
>>17798444
>even some L
It's L-PH8 which is Western Colchian Y-DNA. It can be found among Laz/Mingrelians.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:00:54 AM No.17802891
>>17801377
Yes but probably only in small colonies and they got raped by the younger dryas catastrophe. The survivors were either slaughtered by indians or intermingled with the native elite. Interestingly the North american indians have mythical man they call a gagiit, a being that barely escaped drowning and has lost its mind. As far as I'm aware the Amerindian elites were mostly killed off by the plague and the remaining survivors mixed with the spanish which would leave very little genetic footprints of the original atlanteans.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 1:17:17 PM No.17803306
ris-15
ris-15
md5: 1a23e21617ac6a8a14edeed9c4fa8b23🔍
>>17797439 (OP)
Anons post "the earliest R1a tranny". But what about R1b K(ings)?

"The anthropological appearance is usually characterized as mixed Mongoloid-Caucasoid and even Laponoid. The influx of population into the Volga-Ochye region from the North is indicated by the close anthropological type of the northern Neolithic inhabitants (Oleneostrovsky burial ground, Karavaikha) and the Lyalovo people themselves (Sakhtysh II, Sakhtysh IIA and Lovtsy I).

The representative of the Lyalovo culture NEO192 (4993-4791 BC) from the Sakhtysh II site in the Teikovsky district of the Ivanovo region was identified with the mitochondrial haplogroup K1b2. The representatives of the Lyalovo culture from the Sakhtysh IIA site were identified with the Y-chromosomal haplogroups R1b, Q1b and the mitochondrial haplogroups U4a1, U5a1."
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 1:54:52 PM No.17803346
what is it about haplogroups that attracts so many schizos?
the brazilian schizo >>17802891
>>17802055 is going off on his pet theories about atlantis again
normal day on /his/
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 12:03:30 AM No.17804735
>>17802891
This is what science-focused people don't want to address.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:43:53 AM No.17805744
>>17797569
The proper classification would be the Danavas and Daevas,- the river peoples of the black sea that later became greeks, luwians, tarim people and "danites" aka sea peoples migrating out from the bronze age collapse. the tuatha de Danann is more of a result of tin traders of the mediterranean suddenly deciding to settle in the british isles permanently.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 11:47:34 AM No.17805825
>>17797483
Tír na nÓg
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 5:24:57 PM No.17806323
>>17797439 (OP)
R1a did not originate in Iran, R1b did not originate South of the Caucasus and QR almost certainly did not split in Central Asia, the one place midwits think some important lineage splites happened but don't have any basis to back it up.
Replies: >>17807435
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 2:02:13 AM No.17807435
>>17806323
Ok, where did these things happen?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:09:42 AM No.17808093
Any further thoughts on this? I'm getting a lot of people who essentially are saying the official scientific narrative is correct, which sounds like bullshit but I don't necessarily have the facts to back it up.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:17:40 AM No.17808101
>>17797613
>R1b
>People who never existed
>Aryans
>Literally a bunch of browns

I'm thinking you're full of shit.
Replies: >>17808115
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 8:32:36 AM No.17808115
>>17808101
Persian kings and Brahmins weren't brown.