I always hear brown people claim muslims are violent because of white people are making their countries unstable or something. But cursory reading of history shows that muslims have been killing everyone and trying to commit genocide in every place they've inhabited all the while blaming it on others. Was there any possible timeline in which things could have gone differently and muslim countries would have been 'stable' enough that they act civilized?

>>17797859 (OP)
Yes
>Israel doesn't get western backing
>Pan-Arabism succeeds under Nasser
It all falls into place after that.

A religion literally founded by Warlord.

The entire region was nomadic and spent in poverty except for the Ottoman Empire

Ottoman Empire spent majority of its existence destroying churches or other pagan shrines and converting them to mosques

The nomadic tribes of Saud suddenly find oil and become rich in 60-70s. The newly rich nomads immediately start findinf terrorism.

Lesson of the story- the religion founded by a violent warlord who raped a 5 year old girl( I doubt children can willingly consent) and the religion that spent its entire existence destroying other religions places of worship and converting them to mosques is and was always violent.

“Do not set up any other god with Allah, lest you sit down despised, forsaken” (Quran 17:22), and “Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him” (Quran 4:36)

Why should I associate violence with Islam? Or anything for that matter.

>>17797898

What does associate nothing with God mean? So your Islamic god has no virtues qualities or features. Wtf does that mean you asshole

>>17797882
/thread

>>17797933
It means associate in the sense of associating partners with the divine. It's rhetorically targeting Trinitarianism and various kinds of paganism. It doesn't mean the divine is without attributes - that would make nothingness God, which is definitely not consistent with Islamic theology.

>>17797859 (OP)
>have been killing everyone and trying to commit genocide in every place they've inhabited all the while blaming it on others.
That is christians
>killed native european paganism
>killed native american paganism
>killed muslims in iberia and the Balkans
>killed the muslims during the crusades
The concept of coexistence doesn’t exist in christianity

>>17797859 (OP)
>But cursory reading of history shows that muslims have been killing everyone and trying to commit genocide in every place they've inhabited all the while blaming it on others.
That didn't happen, though

>>17797859 (OP)
There’s no separation between the spiritual and the temporal for them. Then you have the tradition of Islamic jurisprudence that codifies behaviors that were normal in the 8th-10th centuries into permanent doctrine and since no central authority to oversee such, cannot be modernized. What that means is that unlike other religions, Islam is really hard to reform. Catholics and Protestants generally don’t slaughter each other for example. The last major catholic versus Protestant fight that I’m aware of was the troubles in Ireland and even that was more of a civil/ethnic/sovereignty issue than a religious one. The Sunni Shia split on the other hand, while having cultural and ethnic elements is very much a religious conflict. Add to that the poverty, tribalism, and lack of education prevalent in most of the Muslim world and there you go.

>>17798000
>killed muslims in iberia and the Balkans
>killed the muslims during the crusades
They’re both monotheists, so that doesn’t count as it was just infighting

>>17798252
Then we should lable them as monotheism. It means you can get the first 3 Persian empires since it was also monotheistic as well as the Jewish rebellions because outside of those we all know paganism is a peaceful ideology, look at Rome before Christianity, a beacon of peace.

The reason is probably historical/cultural. When Christianity was based and cool it was way more violent and intolerant than muhammedianism is today.

>>17797962
No sir, that's a ridiculous statement, muslims are 1400 years old, the african caliphates were rich af, cities of endless marvels and culture, same with the iberian caliphate, their science, mathematiccs, biology, cartology is unmatched at it's time, if greek culture can survive because some athenian said let them vote

Islam can survive for any historical reason

>>17797859 (OP) If you're talking about Muslims, then you NEED to read the Quran, because the Quran makes a Muslim.
https://quranenc.com/en/browse/english_saheeh

If you believe every Arab is a Muslim, you're completely mistaken. Even those who claims to be Muslims many time are not. The same thing happens with those who claims to be Christians.

Anybody can claim to be anything. Their actions will show you what they really are.

>>17797859 (OP)
>I always hear brown people claim muslims are violent because of white people are making their countries unstable or something
No you don't.

>>17797859 (OP)
You probably hear that from other browns that want to make excuses
Arabs (in arabia) don't sit at the dinner table and say "man those evil westerners destabilizing us..." They just see it as a spiritual war and the struggle is a part of it.
You aren't from there so the misconception is understandable.
>>17797882
>The entire region was nomadic and spent in poverty except for the Ottoman Empire
The forced "anatolian native greeks larping as turks" meme aside, Osmanli were of nomadic origin and supported nomads among their aristocracy over anyone else.
You don't know what you are talking about.

>>17797882
Bruh

>>17797994
>>17797898
So you just debunked yourself. Good job.
So the Qur'an has nothing against Trinitarianism btw, it targets Tritheism which was prevalent in syriac monasteries. It's crystal clear that Jesus is God if you read it with the bare minimum of historical, theological and arabic literacy.

>>17799153
They say that all the time. It's a common third worldist talking point.

>>17798000
What were Moslems doing in Iberia and the Balkans? How did they get there?

>>17800608
>What were Moslems doing in Iberia and the Balkans?
Teaching crackas basic hygiene

>terrorism didn't exist 50 years ago
the average brown poster

>>17800680
Wait till they find out who cannonically invented guerrilla warfare

>>17800608
>Iberia
They got help from the natives, incorporated them in administration, and much of the Iberians were Arabicized. There was ethnic discrimination at first, where true Arabs were at the top, Berbers lower, and Hispano-Romans last. But there were intermarriages between the groups and conversion and marriages to Arab families happened often for climbing the social ladder. After the fall of the Umayyads the natives were more fairly represented. There were various emirs of Iberian, Berber, Arab, and even Slavic origin.

>Balkans
I'm not really familiar with this, but I'm not aware of any genocides or forced conversions desu.

>>17800668
Bait post but I hope we all know this is a myth.