Europe jewish population in 1933-1935 wasn't even 10 million at that time, it was about 9.5 million at maximum.
If the Holocaust did not happen and, let us say that almost every jew in Europe moved to Israel (2025's population: about 10 million), where did all those jews go? Europe had the greatest jewish population in the world, and now it is gone! How could that happen if not by a great extermination? I'm no zionist nor good goyim, but the Holocaust DEFINITIVELY happened.

>>17798874 (OP)
The population censuses before the war were poorly conducted, around a million jews died (consistent with the death rate of everyone else during WW2), and the rest all went to America and Israel.

>>17798874 (OP)
>and now it is gone!
*doubt*

>>17798874 (OP)
America has more jews in it than Israel retard.

>>17799132
Still doesn't keeps up.
The jewish population of the USA in 1939 was about 5 million, nowadays is 7-8 million.

>>17798874 (OP)
I'm sure lots of jews died but not because of someone who killed them but because of alot died from Typhus and diseases in the camps also food shortages because of the huge war and supply lines were disrupted....lots of other people died to but for some reason it's always about jews

>>17798874 (OP)
What if they went into hiding and moved to other countries under aliases or came out of hiding years later as refugees of war?
>there were 10 million jews
Do we have reliable data on this? I mean hard data from Western census takers?
>>17799278
Jewish population today is something like 15 million which is what we would expect from jews being 3 million in the year 1900.

>>17799132
and they like all came before 1924

>>17800080
The number in the OP are accurate except for the soviet ones (the 1930s census were particularly terrible in amateurish manipulation to mask the giant famines). Since those soviet ones are 2.5M it is easy to say they didn't exist and erase half of the hall of cost but they must have been very high even if we can't pinpoint for sure. You can also say that all the polish and romanian ones fled to the soviet union in 1938-1941, despite being in complete contradiction with the state of those lands during germanoid occupation. Supposedly they then were somehow never counted back because they just remained in post-war Belarus under threat.
Doing both of those things would make 4M disappear from the tally. This is more or less what is done by some of the most reaching revisionists.
There was however large uncounted illegal immigrations either direct t the US or over the middle east through Turkey.

>>17800451
There were already 2.5 million Jews in the Soviet Union in 1926 according to the census. 1937 and 1939 aren't that reliable, but all those Jews obviously did not disappear.

>>17799975
>Typhus and diseases in the camps also food shortages because of the huge war and supply lines were disrupted

Amazing coincidence how camps with allied POW, no matter where they are, had a 99% survival rate, but every camp with the jews, roma, homosexuals, socialists, regime critics etc are dealing with all kinds of problems.
Fucking hell you guys are dumb.

>>17800538
Well you don't actually know what happened. You're just assuming the Holocaust did happen. When in reality anybody that landed on a concentration camp, especially if they were an able bodied male, were immediately separated from their family and shipped somewhere their labor was needed

>>17800612
I trust the endless amount of historians from every corner of the world for the past near-century that have all come to the same conclusion after dedicating their life to research specifically ww2.
Not even the biggest Hitler-apologist David Irving deny the holocaust, he just challenge the actual numbers killed (which brands him as a holocaust denier by the court) but he still put the number in the range of millions.

The problem with all you who decide to "do your own research" is that you couldnt prove a single genocide or mass killing done by anyone by your own definition of evidence or the nature of your own research, i.e the communists did nothing wrong either and everything is just a hoax.

>>17800653
Also with the case of Irving, his main schtick is that Hitler was innocent of the holocaust, that it was 99% Himmler and Bormanns doing.

>>17800653
>endless amount of historians
Historians for the holocaust all say everybody died as soon as they entered the camps. The amount of people the germans shipped around europe for labor all died, despite the fact thaaat the most famous holocaust survivors were men that were in the middle of nowhere pouring foundations for housing and admin buildings for the nazis

>>17800671
Also, the most famous holocaust survivor, who I'm talking about, was a volunteer who was selected by his jewish ghetto to serve the nazis and in exchanged he got a steady meal. He spent his time during the war building infrastructure in eastern poland until eventually the nazis stopped showing up with food at the end of the war

>>17800689
Imagine if the nazis had won the war and the laborers never ran out of food, they'd probably be rewarded in some way

I guess they were in a way because the germans were forced to give them all reparations despite losing

>>17798874 (OP)
>How could that happen if not by a great extermination? I'm no zionist nor good goyim, but the Holocaust DEFINITIVELY happened.
I agree, if you use the term "extermination" in the original sense of the word meaning to drive from one's borders. Most of these people moved from Europe to other continents, and you see their populations spike there at roughly the same time. The difference can be explained as regular war casualties, such as what all other groups who were sent to concentration camps experienced.

denialists can't tell you were these people went
entire communities that disappeared
They discuss death tolls as if no one noticed how many jews went missing. As if no one noticed that millions of jews was hauled on trains never to be seen again
>oh only 250k died of typhus
so millions of jews just went unaccounted for in their view
The closest to an explanation for this issue is that they were "moved to the east" which they have no proof of and again we have to believe that that scale of people being "moved to the east" and then i guess disappearing into the soviet union
But ofc this issue isn't brought up in their bitchute documentaries

>>17801047
this pic is a good example of someone with not even basic knowledge of how it happened
Have you read one single book about WW2?

>>17801047
Who liberated Berlin?

>>17801070
"liberated"
nice choice of words

>>17801093
Who liberated Danzig?

>>17801070
There were international commissions that gained access to some of the camps liberated by the Soviets, it's true, but not all of them. What's interesting is how you guys went to the effort of looking at the map and posting a response, yet seem not to deny or at least don't disagree with the main point.

>>17801128
the main point of what?
That most death camps was in Poland?
That Poland was liberated by the Soviets?
What does that disprove to you?

>>17801517
>the main point of what?
Thanks for joining us, anon. The main point is that the actual word "extermination" means simply to deport someone from your country. And under that definition, it is true that likely millions of people identifying as Jews were deported from Europe to other places. See >>17801047

>>17801540
1. Were the jews deported in Babi Yar and Ponary and all the other mass shootings?
2. If camp prisoners were deported then to where?

>>17801553
>If camp prisoners were deported then to where?
They self-deported and many more voluntarily went to Palestine according to the Haavara agreement. Germany under Adolf Hitler was, believe it or not, actually a zionist regime that was in favor of sending what they considered "Jews" outside the bounds or territory of Europe.

People who wanted to rewrite history later came to attach a different meaning to the term "exterminate," meaning "kill." Nowadays, you sometimes hear people charge the Germans with the systematic killing of millions, when really most of these people had simply been driven from Europe, and the meaning of the word "exterminate" has been misunderstood in the process. I still don't agree in the slightest with historical Nazi policy, but that's what it was.

The types of people who claimed to be Jews who were still around in Europe during WW2, and often sent to concentration camps by the Nazis, were often communist partisans. This remnant would be the source of actual war casualties that occurred. The total numbers who died was significantly smaller than the popular mainstream narrative, which assumes that the decline in total population of people claiming to be Jews fell because of concentration camps and not because of deportations and people fleeing from Europe. The narratives tend to focus only on the population levels in Europe, ignoring population trends in the reverse direction outside of Europe.

The worst conditions in the camps occurred at the very end of the war when supply lines were cut, resulting in starvation and disease outbreaks to occur there. The concentration camps, it should be noted, included many groups viewed as undesirable by the Germans, including religious and ideological groups like communists, as well as some ethnicities.

>Were the jews deported in Babi Yar and Ponary and all the other mass shootings?
How many people are said to have died, and were the victims of the atrocities all identifying as Jewish?

>>17801604
>They self-deported and many more voluntarily went to Palestine according to the Haavara agreement
How many?
btw the Haavara agreement ended with the German invasion of Poland
And according to the official version around 75% of all victims was from Poland and USSR
>People who wanted to rewrite history later came to attach a different meaning to the term "exterminate," meaning "kill."
Are you really suggesting that the changing of those terms is the main evidence for jews being killed in the millions?
>The types of people who claimed to be Jews who were still around in Europe during WW2, and often sent to concentration camps by the Nazis, were often communist partisans
communist partisans in the millions?
>This remnant would be the source of actual war casualties that occurred
And how many was that? Official version says millions. So the Nazis killed millions of partisans who happen to be jewish? is that what you're saying?
>The narratives tend to focus only on the population levels in Europe, ignoring population trends in the reverse direction outside of Europe.
When did the millions of polish jews leave poland?
>How many people are said to have died, and were the victims of the atrocities all identifying as Jewish?
1.5-2 million according to official version

>>17800451
>the number are accurate
how can we verify this?

they emmigrated
to heaven
through the chimney
perfectly natural, nothing to see here

>>17801060
>denialists can't tell you were these people went
They were deported all over Europe to

>>17801721
Do odd jobs. Every factory in Poland just about had their own camp with their own prisoners that were workers.

>>17801661
>Are you really suggesting that the changing of those terms is the main evidence for jews being killed in the millions?
It is one of the fallacies used, and OP falls for it, being seemingly unaware of the difference.
>communist partisans in the millions?
Far less than 1 million. A very big percentage of these individual would identify as Jews. This is because most of those who identified as Jews were either zionist or communist at the time. The zionists had mostly left Europe before 1939, so those who stayed behind usually did so because they believed in communist ideology instead. The communists believed they would ultimately take over the world through some kind of communist utopia (with them in charge, of course) as commonly taught by people like Rosa Luxemburg, etc. Most of these people self-deported from Europe, or at least the areas controlled by the Nazi regime, due to the military advances of the Nazis. Some also participated in partisan warfare, evaded capture, or were arrested and sent to concentration camps.

The plan for those who were sent to these camps was probably to deport or send them to Palestine by force if Germany had won the war. Since they lost that never occurred.

Later, rumors and campfire stories of the horrific and gruesome atrocities allegedly witnessed (which are based on classical Talmudic exaggeration) grew into the mythos of the holocaust that is still repeated today. This genre of stories includes claims that we know are physically impossible. Over time, this mythos was refined and developed into an entire genre of history, with its own official narrative that has been distilled from the mythos by official holocaust historians. These historians now curate the officially accepted narrative and receive large amounts of funding to keep promulgating it. Since then, The narrative™ has often been seen as highly relevant for advancing the various political goals of many different organizations that identify as Jewish today.

>>17801721
>>17801734
I meant after the war. Where did they go if they weren't killed?
Was Sobibor and Belzec a work camps?

>>17801762
>This is because most of those who identified as Jews were either zionist or communist at the time
according to who?
>Most of these people self-deported from Europe, or at least the areas controlled by the Nazi regime
In the middle of WW2? To where? And how?
They took a boat out of Poland?
Where did the half a million hungarian jews who was send to camps go?
Do you have any evidence of that what so ever?
>The plan for those who were sent to these camps was probably to deport or send them to Palestine by force if Germany had won the war. Since they lost that never occurred.
No the plan was to send them to first Madagascar and then later Siberia. And when they realized they were losing and weren't gonna send them to Siberia then they started gassings.
And by this time many jews had already been send to Poland on top of the millions that lived there crammed into crowded ghettos.

>>17801769
These smaller camps were most likely distribution checkpoints for laborers
>Where did they go
Many of them fell behind the iron curtain and I'm pretty sure the soviets would disappear any "survivors" that questioned the Soviet narrative

Notice there's near zero high profile survivors that fled east instead of west

>>17801847
>These smaller camps were most likely distribution checkpoints for laborers
the bug river camps were out in the middle of forests away from labor camps
>Many of them fell behind the iron curtain
millions?
>im pretty sure the soviets would disappear any "survivors" that questioned the Soviet narrative
your ass told you that?
>Notice there's near zero high profile survivors that fled east instead of west
where did they flee to then?

>>17801875
They didn't have to flee anywhere. The soviet's washed over the entire area and told everyone the Holocaust was real. Now, if you were a survivor of these camps and tried to tell people the truth, that it was just forced labor and not execution, what do you think would have happened after the soviets were informed of your views?

>>17801944
so you had to pretend you died and disappeared but actually you were living in the Soviet Union?
Millions of jews decided "i better not contact my family because i've been told by the soviets i died in the holocaust".
And that includes millions of polish jews and half a million hungarian jews
They all just lived in USSR after WW2
And you're evidence of that is what?

>>17798874 (OP)
Sorry but I'm not gonna take population estimates from the 30s seriously
Especially for Eastern European shitholes

>>17801965
Well there's only evidence of around a million people in the entire camp system and 60% or more of them weren't Jews. So that's about 400,000 Jews max that were shifted around. There were exponentially more Jews voluntarily fleeing into the unknown and not being able to contact their families than were displaced by the Nazis. This is where the 6 million number comes from because it's the entire Jewish population of eastern Europe. They just say "well Jews went through a lot so all of them were affected by the Holocaust." "Therefore 6 million Jews were in the Holocaust."

The problem with this is we're explicitly told the Holocaust was mass murder.

>>17802151
>Well there's only evidence of around a million people in the entire camp system and 60% or more of them weren't Jews
you realize you don't need a camp with 4 million to kill 4 million right?
>There were exponentially more Jews voluntarily fleeing into the unknown and not being able to contact their families than were displaced by the Nazis
Again to where? "the unknown"
You have evidence of them ending up in "the unknown" ?
How did the millions of Polish jews go to "the unknown" ?
>This is where the 6 million number comes from because it's the entire Jewish population of eastern Europe. They just say "well Jews went through a lot so all of them were affected by the Holocaust." "Therefore 6 million Jews were in the Holocaust."
No they also have death camps. They have entire jewish communities being send to camps
Fx half a million from hungary.
There are nowhere in the world a half a million hungarian jews. not in israel or hungary or Russia. They vanished.
People witnesses those people being send away. Did they all go to "the unkown" ?
>The problem with this is we're explicitly told the Holocaust was mass murder.
Why is that a problem to you?
You can believe they vanished to some unknown location to never be seen again but not that they were murdered.

>>17802916
They didn't vanish, they're still there. Ukraine acknowledged it still had millions Jews until the 80's but that "they all emigrated to the west". Under Soviet occupation under penalty of law since the red revolution Jews were not allowed to spread their culture and they actively tried to kill Hebrew and Yiddish as they were used by subversive Jews to hide their activism.

Soviets deleted Judaism from their territory by pushing their russification policies which manifests as Jews having disappeared. But really they just got assimilated

>>17802151
Considering how often and how readily the jews lie about their history, I just don't take the 6 million number at face value anymore. Even half the shit they peddle about Israel's history is unironic misinformation. The Times of Israel seethed like fuck about the 5 million non-jews dying in the holocaust number being too high, so it's not like they have a consistent standard on revisionism.

But I don't really care enough to contest it or deny it. It's only utilized to guilt trip people and nobody gives a shit about the holocaust anymore. You try guilting zoomers with it and they stare at you blankly. I guess the Polish should care because they still have kikes trying to claim lost property, even forging documents to defraud the Polish government. But anyone else should just be indifferent to their pity tantrums.

>>17803360
It's like asking where the Occitianians or Neapolitans went, and insisting they must've been genocided. A lot of jews during the shake-ups of revolution and war, and not being in isolated communities, just would've taken non-jewish wives or husbands out of necessity. It's not like every jew was a powerful Genrikh Yagoda tier commissar that could freely just pick a partner from wherever. Then there's the forced assimilation after that and yeah, that'd easily do many in.

>>17803360
>Ukraine acknowledged it still had millions Jews until the 80's but that "they all emigrated to the west"
You have a source for that claim?
>Under Soviet occupation under penalty of law since the red revolution Jews were not allowed to spread their culture and they actively tried to kill Hebrew and Yiddish as they were used by subversive Jews to hide their activism.
earlier i was told they were all communist partisans
>Soviets deleted Judaism from their territory by pushing their russification policies which manifests as Jews having disappeared. But really they just got assimilated
They assimilated 3 million polish jews as well?
half a million hungarian jews?
You're saying on one hand that the USSR didn't want them and at the same time saying USSR took millions of foreign jews in?
They kept foreign jews they didn't want so they could claim the holocaust happened?

>>17798874 (OP)
Nazis killed millions more based on their genetics. They killed tens of millions of White Europeans. They did much worse than the Holocaust.

>>17803401
>Considering how often and how readily the jews lie about their history, I just don't take the 6 million number at face value anymore.

You mean a number that comes from the 99% non-jewish historians?
I swear u guys are some of the most retarded people on the planet.

But yes, jews have effectively weaponized the holocaust and milked it to the limit. There is a disregard for the other millions that died from NS autism, which exceeds the amount of jews killed.

>>17803417
Poles were also under soviet occupation and similarly banned the identifying factors of Jewish culture. Same with east Germany. Go ahead and play with Google AI asking it why there were millions of Jews in Ukraine in the 80's
>Partisans
Yes, the people that invented the Holocaust conflate it with anti partisan activities by the Nazis

Now if you want to admit that the gassings didn't happen we can move onto the partisans

>>17803401
>asking where jews who were send to concentrations camps ended up is like asking about Occitianians or Neapolitans
>they could've just remarried
>But I don't really care enough to contest it or deny it
don't then

>>17803436

>>17803458
Ask it if there was a decline in the 80's how many Jews emigrated from Ukraine. There's papers that admit this so the AI should find this. Unless it's specifically told to deny

>>17803431
It's more the illegalization and delegitimization of revisionism that caused the damage. When did the lampshades made of skin and human soaps get filtered from the holocaust narrative? I think it was in the 1980-90s, and only in the 2000s did the holocaust museums begrudgingly admit it was all bullshit.

The six million number is a third rail, and any serious attempt to challenge that was taking a shot at Jewish power, instantly you'd have the community mobilized against you. A lot of the support for the State of Israel, and the privileged status jews enjoy with claiming "antisemitism" at everything, and the grievance slop that they crybaby over to feel victimized, comes from that number. It being revised downwards and put into a different context actually would take away a large portion of Jewish power in the latter half of the 20th century, they'd stop being special victims.

>>17803436
>Poles were also under soviet occupation and similarly banned the identifying factors of Jewish culture
Where their last names banned?
Did these jews change their name or have the same names?
Are you saying that all the death lists have names of people who kept living in Poland?
Also there were the half a million hungarian jews that i know you guys don't like to talk about
So they went back to Hungary?

>>17803463
What if the "500,000 Hungarian Jews" is a red herring and has nothing to do with the conversation outside of it being another made up number as if to suggest 99% of Jews from an area burst into smoke an ash where they stood

>>17803459

>>17803467
Okay so you're not willing to ask Google AI how millions of Jews emigrated from Ukraine in the 80's if there were only 600,000 of them

>>17803466
It's called Operation Höss
It's one of the best documented deportations
Rudolf Höss himself described it in testimony
There were arrival lists
Eichman testified to it
People witnessed this because half a million was deported in 56 days
There are photos etc etc
And they didn't come back to Hungary
If you've never heard of this then you have not actually done the most minimal research

>>17803485
Hoess was that guy they kept in sleep deprivation chambers in England and beat him awake until he signed a confession. Yeah?

>>17803474

>>17803493
Good to know Google AI will deny something freely admitted about the Holocaust. If you actually want to know what I'm talking about you can try and find the papers describing millions of Jews fleeing Ukraine in the 80's into the US and elsewhere

>>17803461
>When did the lampshades made of skin and human soaps get filtered from the holocaust narrative?

Sounds more like you're mad over how the holocaust is being used by certain groups and the media.
But the number of 6 millions is still a number that has been confirmed by countless of 99% non-jewish historians.

Distortion of an event is common for propaganda purposes, but that doesnt mean the event never happened. You dumb fuck.
January 6 capitol is probably our most recent example of something happening, then many things are later "added" or twisted because certain groups wants to milk as much as possible from the fact that it did happen.

>>17803498
There's actually no historian that will try and prove/disprove the Holocaust death count

>>17803487
he claimed to have been mistreated and that his first testimony given was under duress
He later willingly gave detailed admissions of gassing jews in Auschwitz
But no he was not lone source of half a million hungarian jews being deported to Auschwitz

>>17803502
It's probably the most researched genocide in human history, together with probably the most researched event in human history (ww2).

But whatever moron. Keep seething. You're trying to backpeddle now on the fact that you claimed that the 6 million number came from jewish research which is fucking retarded. 99% of all historians are not jews.

>>17803506
Not only was he tortured into a confession they also threatened his family right?

>>17803497
>If you actually want to know what I'm talking about you can try and find the papers describing millions of Jews fleeing Ukraine in the 80's into the US and elsewhere
what papers?

>>17803509
There's only one Jew that ever tried to compile the Holocaust death count and he use zero scrutiny and accepted everything at face value. There's not "countless" Holocaust historians. There's none because that guys dead

>>17803512
Can't find them, seems they've been wiped.

>>17803510
Not for confessions
But did this proves what about the mass deportations of hungarian jews?
Höss also admitted to the holocaust to his family and told them it was true

>>17803529
>they threatened his family and tortured him, but it wasn't for the confession
Isn't the Auschwitz death count entirely reliant on his confession they got through torture?

>>17803528
Yes that's what happened to the jews

>>17803515
>There's not "countless" Holocaust historians
I'd say the number is within the thousands.
And the number of published books is probably around 50.000

>accepted everything at face value
You accept everything at face value.
I trust Timothy Snyder and Richrd J Evans and Peter Longerich and Richarc Overy more than I trust you. Sorry faggot.

Now prove that the communists ever killed anybody. Pro tip: you cant, cause you're retarded

>>17803535
No, there's literally only one historian in existence that tried to compile everything about the holocaust and he's basically the only source on the holocaust and he said everything 100% happened and didn't scrutinize a single piece of data he found

>>17803531
No it's not
It's also reliant on fx that jews were send there and never seen again
Like Hungarian jews being deported, this being documented, then being seen in pictures at the Auschwitz train station and arrival lists of them coming there. And then they disappeared and was never seen again
They add things like that together to make a count

>>17803542
Who?

>>17803545
Okay but the main figure of the death camp was squeezed out of the commandant of Auschwitz through torture and the threatening of his family before he was sent off to the soviets to be tortured and murdered

>>17803548
Raul Hilberg (a jew)

>>17803550
>threatening of his family before he was sent off to the soviets to be tortured and murdered
they told him they would hand his family to the soviets if he didn't say his real name as he was living under a false name at the time
he also said they beat him
He was then send to Nurenberg where he admitted to gassing the jews
Now if these jews weren't killed where did they go? That's OPs question
That's what you can't answer.

>>17803563
You're missing the point. You posted a man that was tortured into giving a confession as your main source

>>17803564
He told these things at nuremberg where he did not claim to have been tortured
You can deny Höss' testamony if you want but there's plenty of other evidence for Half a million hungarian jews being deported.
You want to deny that?
If not then where did they go? because they didn't go back to Hungary

>>17803574
Didn't his numbers drastically change from nuremburg to when he was tortured in his cell and told to sign a confession?

>>17803575
>let's stick to höss cause that's how i will weasel my way out of answering any questions
Where did the half a million hungarian jews go?

>>17803583
Okay so you want to say that you bringing up a guy that was tortured to prove the holocaust was probably a bad idea?

>>17803551
Bullshit.
The 6 million number had already been established before Raul Hilberg.
And the number has been researched many times over.
Wolfgang Benz did his own where he put the number at 5.5 million.

>>17803590
Again the claim was that there were "countless historians that actually researched the holocaust and arrived at the same figure"

Actually there's 1 and I pretty sure he didn't even get 6 million

>>17803586
No i brought him up in the relation to Operation Höss which deported half a million hungarian jews
Which is a well documented event far beyond what Höss said at nurenberg

>>17803594
So your claim that 500,000 hungarian jews disappeared is based on a guy that was tortured in sleep deprivation chambers and then flayed alive by the soviets

>>17803593
>Actually there's 1 and I pretty sure he didn't even get 6 million
It's more than fucking Raul Hilberg you moron.

>>17803596
i'm not

>>17803593
No tell me your sources that the communists ever massacred anyone.

>>17803597
There isn't, everybody else is a pretender. He's got a 3 volume series on the holocaust death counts which are like 1500 pages each. He's the guy. He didn't scrutinize a single piece of data and only added up the wildest claims of death and still didn't get 6 million

>>17803608
Except the number of 6 million had already been established moron. Raul Hilberg didnt create it, he only confirmed what had already been estimated.

And like I said, Wolfgang Benz did his own complete independent study and got an estimated number of 5.5 million.
You also think you're smarter than Evans or Overy or Snyder who dedicate their lives to research ww2 and held seminars on the holocaust which is pathetic.
Again, prove to me that the communists ever killed anyone. Whos your source? Why are you dodging the question. It's fucking pathetic.

>>17803613
Yes the 6 million number is completely made up, raul hilberg tried to prove it was real by adding up the maximum amount of people killed in these camps (without addressing the method of murder) by simply saying everybody that ever came into contact with a camp died and he failed.

The main point is the sheer mental gymnastics the preeminent holocaust scholar had to do to even remotely try and validate the holocaust

>>17803627
Also keep in mind he was using figures pulled from people that were tortured and was taking overly broad statements like "during peak deportations in warsaw there were 5,000 jews a day being deported" so he just multiplied these figures by how many days yadda yadda.

holocaust study is religious study

>>17803627
That's not how it worked. Pretty much everyone deported to these camps was killed.
>>17803657
We have figures from German documents. We don't need testimonies. Both Hofle Telegram and Korherr Report show the same figure.

1,449,692 killed in Operation Reinhard camps until the end of 1942.
For Auschwitz the numbers aren't that certain, but there's for example Veesenmayer's telegram on 437,000 Jews deported to Auschwitz. Then there are obviously also Einsatzgruppen reports.

>>17803627
>Yes the 6 million number is completely made up
You said Raul Hilberg made it up. Now you backpeddle on that fact. The number had already been established.
Ergo Hilberg and Benz were only one of many historians who confirmed the number.

>The main point is
The main point is that you keep dodging the question: how many people did the communists kill? It's pathetic how you keep dodging the question. Who is your source that millions died in the USSR and China? Why has the number not been disputed?

>>17803671
The holfe telegram shows only like 1 millino people were processed through camps and used for manual labor, including non jews

>>17803684
>used for manual labors
That's the problem. Your kind can't say what happened with those people. There weren't any big camps further East and there aren't any German documents mentioning their fate after they were processed through these camps.

>including non-Jews
Nope. In the Korherr Reports it's directly stated that those were all Jews.

>>17803708
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>>17803718
Just don't pretend you know something. You already fucked up by saying it wasn't just Jews. Now you fucked up again because in Korherr report it's stated that they were deported to the Russian East.
In fact, there are literal German documents complaining how all the Jews were deported from the region and there's nobody left to work in factories.

For example in the Globocnik report:

>On 3.11.1943 the workers were withdrawn from the labor camps and the works shut down. The Camp leaders were not informed of this action although the responsibility rested with them.
>On the day before the evacuation of the camps, General Schindler of the Armaments Inspectorate, Cracow, arranged with the Camp Leaders on the basis of a promise from SS Obergruppenfuehrer Krueger, that:
>a. In the future only armament contracts were to be given to the labor camps.
>b. He had received the assurance on 2.11 that a further 10,000 Jews were to be removed for armament work.

>It was no longer possible to carry out with this arrangement.
The Jews worked in factories, then they were deported.

>>17803736
I didn't fuck up you're saying I fucked up because you don't have an argument.

>>17803718
reminder that Himmler said his greatest crime was deporting jews into the east, not murdering them

>>17803736
I also find it really funny how the Germans did everything to make those camps looks extremely suspicious.
Every mention of those transit camps was a Secret Reich Matter. And according to Globocnik (confirmed after the war):

>For reasons of surveillance in each camp a small farm was created which is occupied by an expert.
So the innocent transit camps were demolished and small farms put in their place. The Germans knew what they are accused of and they decided to hide all the evidence of the existence of these transit camps.

>>17803747
English broke the nazi enigma codes and never received anything from germany or occupied poland about a holocaust

>>17803737
You fucked up. Korherr report is literally titled: Die Endlösung der Judenfrage and yet you claimed the deportations weren't just about Jews, but about people used for manual labor.

>>17803746
Oh really? When he said that? Where?

>>17803737
How many German women were raped?
How do you know Dresden was bombed?
How many people did the communists kill?

Where are your sources? How many times has the research been done? Where is the evidence?

>>17803750
>The Höfle telegram is a decoded message, encrypted at source by the German Enigma machine.

>>17803755
You're acting very jewish and bringing up something I didn't say when you're cornered, there most definitely was a massive infrastructure project to the east of germany, they were setting up a colonial state. Remember lebensraum?

Jews were deported into the general government to build nazi colonial infrastructure

>>17803759
Holfe telegram says nothing about the holocaust, it says 1 million people were processed through camps which featured insect sterilization facilities and showers

they were literally using them as a labor force

>>17803718
>and then after the war they just disappeared

>>17803763
After the war... they didn't go anywhere!

>>17803760
>I didn't say
>The holfe telegram shows only like 1 millino people were processed through camps and used for manual labor, including non jews
This is what you said. Why do you lie? In my post I even mentioned Korherr report. Both reports show the same number processed through Operation Reinhard camps. Both are obviously about Jews because OR was all about Jews.
>Jews were deported into the general government to build nazi colonial infrastructure
The deported Jews WERE from the General Government. It's right there in the document. Now you prove that you don't know even the most basic facts.

>acting very jewish
Facts are Jewish?

>>17803762
What labor was done at Belzec?

>>17803767
So half a million hungarian jews stayed in Poland?

>>17803785
>The deported Jews WERE from the General Government.
Some were yes, it's not a coincidence that Warsaw was withing the newly created German colonial state and it's from warsaw we hear the horror stories of german deportations

Except we also have first hand accounts of jews in warsaw volunteering to work in the nazi general government in exchange for a steady meal

>>17803786
Reinhardt "death camps" and the smaller camps like majdanek were all laborer processing centers where deporteees were stripped of their valuables, put into matching cotton garb, marked on their chest with a symbol indicating what kind of prisoner they were (or if they were a volunteer) and then shipped off into the countryside to build infrastructure for the nazis

>>17803793
Most were. Operation Reinhard camps were literally created to get rid of Jews from Polish ghettos.

>>17803812
I'm sure that's what the communist jews were telling the normal jews in the ghettos

>>17803801
Where were they shipped? That's the question, isn't it? It's 1.5 million people until the end of 1942. Why Nazi documents don't mention them again afterwards? What exactly they built? Where?
You post all this vague crap based purely on your fantasy.

>>17803814
What does this even mean? It's a fact that the Nazis liquidated the ghettos and shipped Jews East. So even if you think they weren't killed the camps were clearly created to deport Jews from the General Government. So yes, to get rid of Polish Jews.

>>17803818
It's pretty common knowledge that nazis had massive secret underground infrastructure projects

>>17803822
>What does this even mean
Communist jews were known to infiltrate the Warsaw ghetto, warsaw being the new capital of the german colonial state while also being the original capital of poland, in order to try and destabilize german activities in the region. They even had a firefight with them there

It all makes sense once you drop the fantastical religiously based holocaust

>>17803801
You have no evidence of that
>put into matching cotton garb, marked on their chest with a symbol indicating what kind of prisoner they were (or if they were a volunteer) and then shipped off into the countryside to build infrastructure for the nazis
You have one single witness or source for this statement?

>>17803829
Uh yeah it's pretty common knowledge

>>17803832
For Belzec?

>>17803837
What's your fixation on belzec? Why not talk about the rubber factory at Auschwitz?

>>17803840
belzec was according to the offical version purely a deathcamp that killed 400k
You claim it's a processing camp
so why do you think so? Is there evidence of that being the case?

>>17803848
Well there's a difference between western aand eastern camps, this is the difference that is noted by the Allies for "none od the western camps beign death camps".

It was obvious to the allies that when they took over western camps that they were used for labor because they were usually near or supplying a local factory with labor.

Auschwitz was the last camp on the ride east with a myriad connections to surrounding factories

Therefore, whoever is pushing the holocaust narrative, concluded that since there wasn't any immedaitely visible infrastructure near the reinhardt camps that all the laborers shipped there were murdered

that's silly and we have definitive proof of jews volunteering to go to the general government to work on infrastructure for the nazis

The entire holocaust hinges on people's ignorance of the subject

>>17803824
Yeah, secret underground factories in the Russian East. Maybe the Jews are still there?

>>17803858
yes there's millions of jews still in eastern europe

>>17803852
>that's silly and we have definitive proof of jews volunteering to go to the general government to work on infrastructure for the nazis
You have evidence of jews from the OR camps volunteering?

>>17803870
Yes one of the most famous holocaust survivors who was from warsaw and raided a warsaw nazi administration building after the war was building things for nazis in the general government

>>17803873
and he was a volunteer

>>17803862
>yes there's millions of jews still in eastern europe
There isn't. There isn't even 1 million
There are also former jewish neighborhoods in eastern europe with no jews in them cause they were killed.

>>17803873
>>17803875
From an OR camp?

>>17803885
I'm not sure. His name was Al Moss
https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/person_view.php?PersonId=4965969

You can watch his holocaust testimony on the internet if they haven't scrubbed it

He says he went to Riederloh, a gunpowder factory, München-Allach which provided labor for nearby factories, including BMW, Dyckerhoff, Sager & Woerner, Kirsch Sägemühle, Pumpel Lochhausen, and Organisation Todt and aushwitz

Maybe I got him mixed up with another guy but I'm pretty sure he said he ended up in the general government doing concrete for the nazis until the end of the war in his testimony

Is this that retarded neo-Nazi or some other moron? It's like I'm talking to some mental case.

Document:
Deportation to the Russian East:
Through camps in General Government
Through camps in Warthegau

And the guy basically just ignores it and says that Jews deported from the General Government to Russian East were actually working in the General Government. Or I don't know, maybe Russian East was secretly part of the General Government too. They apparently weren't counted as GG Jews because in his report Korherr stated that only 250k Jews remained in the GG.

And here's the amazing argument: Jews got deported somewhere to work on something.

>>17803909
>holocaust truther now saying that all the jews were deported into russia after it reveled they were actually just working in factories
yikes

>>17803919
I'm fucking tired of talking to you. I can't even tell if you're really retarded or only pretending.

It's you and no one else that claim that GG Jews were deported to GG to work on some projects even if Nazi documents state that they were deported to the Russian East.
You're wrong about every single thing, making shit up, changing subject every few posts.

What is your claim at this point? Where were the Jews processed through Operation Reinhard camps deported? What was this "Russian East"? Where were those factories where Jews worked? On what they worked? Why no one mentions them after deportation?

And no, Russian East isn't in fucking General Government so stop talking about it all the time.

>>17803943
>He says he went to Riederloh, a gunpowder factory, München-Allach which provided labor for nearby factories, including BMW, Dyckerhoff, Sager & Woerner, Kirsch Sägemühle, Pumpel Lochhausen, and Organisation Todt and auschwitz
>Monowitz (also known as Monowitz-Buna, Buna and Auschwitz III) was a Nazi labor camp (Arbeitslager) ... For most of its existence, Monowitz was a subcamp of the Auschwitz concentration camp

>>17798874 (OP)
The Holocaust happened, it's just that it was a huge nothingburger and the Germans were the good guys for the most part. At best the Jews lost 271k to typhus and starvation, and uncle adolf got away in Argentina. Since those two facts stare people in the face today, stupid golems don't buy the lies of gas chambers and fuck machines anymore. Try harder, mossad agent.

>>17803897
So he didn't go to an OR camp

>>17803962
Well he would have had to if he ended up in the general government, see

>>17803965
your link says he didn't

>>17803969
That's what I think is odd. That's literally the holocaust memorial museum and it's not portraying information accurately. Take that as you will

>>17803974
What was it about the OR camps that Al Moss disproves again? I'm not following

>>17803990
Al Moss was the guy that found the "Last Jew in Vinnitsa" photograph which is evidence of local ukranian police executing communist jews for suspected terrorism

He's famous because of that. The point is since he's so famous they can't whitewash his testimony, he knows where he went during the war and how he found the picture.

He said he was shipped to warsaw and then volunteered to work for the nazis. How he ended up back in germany is beyond me,

unless they literally deleted his testimony from Google and it seems they have and

>>17804003

>>17804003
>then volunteered to work for the nazis
He said he was doing construction work for nazis in the general government and almost starved to death because he was forgotten about and abandoned in the middle of nowhere as the nazi logistics collapsed and found his was back to warsaw, raided a local nazi admin building and found that picture

>>17804003
Which is a proof of... something.

>>17804003
That's your proof that OR was transit camps?

>>17804015
If the most famous jewish holocaust survivor survived in the general government, which if you believe the communists was nothing but marching jews into ovens, because he was doing general construction work, that kind of throws a wrench in the claims that "there wasn't anything for the jews to do in the general government"

Meaning it's plausible (certain) they were using forced labor in the general government and it wasn't all "death camps"

but now they've deleted him from the face of the planet HAR

>>17804018
>Meaning it's plausible (certain) they were using forced labor in the general government and it wasn't all "death camps"
no one claims otherwise. Yes some jews was used for labor
But if they were all laborers then you as OP asked have to explain where they went.
Did they just disappear?

>>17804035
I already posted in the thread that the jews in poland and ukraine were subjected to soviet suppression after the war

When a jewish zionist village in poland met the communists they sent an envoy to them and the leader met him and befriended him. After some time the envoy said that he was lucky the germans were coming because the soviets were going to execute all the zionists

>>17804039
>I already posted in the thread that the jews in poland and ukraine were subjected to soviet suppression after the war
where?

>>17803360
>Under Soviet occupation under penalty of law since the red revolution Jews were not allowed to spread their culture and they actively tried to kill Hebrew and Yiddish as they were used by subversive Jews to hide their activism.

>>17804106
millions of jews went underground in poland because of soviets?

>>17804111
The only way to tell if somebody was jewish in communist russia was if they spoke hebrew or yiddish. If communist russia suppressed jewish cultrue and essentially banned hebrew and yiddish for its entire existence those people wouldn't show up as jewish in the census anymore, would they?

There's a reason why yiddish communist publications in the US went from funneling cash money to the revolution and then spun on their heels and shit all over stalin!

>>17803758
What's the point of this post?

>>17804132
Jew trying to derail

>>17804119
>The only way to tell if somebody was jewish in communist russia was if they spoke hebrew or yiddish
So how did the germans find them?
>If communist russia suppressed jewish cultrue and essentially banned hebrew and yiddish for its entire existence those people wouldn't show up as jewish in the census anymore, would they?
Yet we know of soviet jews. For one thing they would have jewish names.
But what about you provide a source for this supposedly happening? are there any polish/soviet jews who have told any version of this story? millions of jews pretending not to be jews.
Also where did they go and live? Where did the hiding lithuanian jews go and live? Where did the hiding hungarians go and live? etc

>>17804137
>how did the germans find them?
Keep in mind soviets had no problem with jews that completely sold their souls to satan. The envoy I mentioned that visited the zionist village might as well have been an angel of death because he was a jew!

>>17798874 (OP)
Germany had 80 million people before the war and 70 million people after the war, this is evidence of a genocide carried out against Germans for no reason

The number was just 1 million

>>17804139
>The envoy I mentioned that visited the zionist village might as well have been an angel of death because he was a jew!
what's the source for this part of your schizo tale?

>>17804151
It's one of the most famous tales that jews have. A proud zionist village stolen from native poles with rich polish jew money that had its own private military and parades

ugh my yamaka is getting sweaty just thinking about it

>>17798874 (OP)
>It's impossible that the Holocaust didn't happen.