New indian study with almost 3000 samples - /his/ (#17799222) [Archived: 697 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:40:37 AM No.17799222
northwest indians only 20% mlba steppe
northwest indians only 20% mlba steppe
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This is the biggest genetic study on india ever, the samples used here dwarf the samples from all other studies combined, and steppe ancestry averages at 15% and tops at 20% in northwest india, and they even used mlba steppe, so actual pie is even lower
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:41:42 AM No.17799229
3000 samples on a 1.4 billion population. Tbis post is so low quality i can smell the poo
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:44:51 AM No.17799240
>>17799229
better than the usual few hundreds at best, 3000 is good for an accurate percentage of steppe ancestry in indians

>Tbis post is so low quality i can smell the poo
why? indians on twitter are losing it because they wanted to be more asian, they're posting 1 or 2 jat outliers to "disprove" the study
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:48:02 AM No.17799244
>>17799222 (OP)
interesting
it was proven that the best models use Steppe_MLBA as a source, and had good p value
unlike cope pooper and iran_J which is becoming famous among them, where supposedly steppe MLBA was not the origin of steppe that brought the languages to asia
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:55:27 AM No.17799255
This kill the eurolarp11
This kill the eurolarp11
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>>17799244
>>17799222 (OP)
steppe_MLBA failed in qpAdm models.
see the latest study on Iran, they were confirmed as not having steppe sintashta
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:57:49 AM No.17799261
>>17799255
false equivalence, they didn't fail in this study, the latest study on iran was simply made by incompetents
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:00:58 AM No.17799268
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>>17799261
>false equivalence
explain
besides, david reich himself recognized this. the indian steppe can't be that old
This study focused on basal ancestry and whether Indians have Neanderthals or another source. It wasn't even about IEs
>the latest study on iran was simply made by incompetents
Its fake bacause.. its fake ok??
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:08:21 AM No.17799279
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>>17799255
No. The study used Steppe_MLBA as a source and obtained good P values. I'm not sure if your models are consistent, with all due respect, I would need to get there, but I'm on my cell phone.
And the "iran_N source" was not bmac as you guys have been saying in X, but sazarm worked better than just pure bmac (Gonur Depe)
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:11:41 AM No.17799289
>>17799279
as I said, better models (unlike this amateur trash that only used 3-way models) steppe_MLBA fails and it was clear in the last study
Amateur
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:12:54 AM No.17799294
>>17799268
that study is wrong and this one is right

>>17799289
>unlike this amateur trash
this is a released study, not "amateur trash", already we start with the lies to support your side
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:15:59 AM No.17799301
>>17799289
fucking retard do you even know what amateur means

this is a study
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867425004623
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:17:10 AM No.17799305
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>>17799294
>>17799279
Sameflag
You didn't explain why the model is wrong
I bet you don't know how to use qpAdm, so smell this pic
and remember Steppe_MLBA FAILED>>17799255
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:18:28 AM No.17799310
>>17799301
troon sameflag, you've been doing this since the beginning of the thread!
>the iranian study is fake ok? it's fake!!!
hypocritical bitch, show concise arguments
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:19:30 AM No.17799314
>>17799310
no retard, no said it's fake, he said it's bad
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:20:40 AM No.17799319
>>17799305
false equivalence, it failed in that study but not in this new study, now go away and have a nice day, steppe mlba has been confirmed as the source of steppe ancestry
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:22:39 AM No.17799321
>>17799314
>bad
Why?
Sintashta/andronovo can never be used as proxy for R1a or steppe_mlba cause 70% of Indian R1a is Y3+ which do not descend from Sintashta and is absent in ancient steppe samples.
All qpadm rotating models with steppe_mlba for Indian groups miserably fail:>>17799255
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:24:14 AM No.17799325
>>17799319
I at least explain my arguments, it's unlikely that you've already said it's wrong/bad 6 times and proven absolutely nothing...besides sameflag
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:27:00 AM No.17799330
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>>17799305
Wow, you guys are still bragging about the study? And how it supposedly refutes the "steppe theory"?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:30:53 AM No.17799336
>>17799330
>>17799319
every profile with "aryan" in the name is an Indian nationalist, therefore = irrelevant.
this study of iran is strange, why do we have samples with steppe in Tajikistan_IA and not in these samples? if this is correct, then why would I accept an IE language? what is the use?
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:36:32 AM No.17799349
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>>17799319
we have Rigveda samples, and they have little steppe
the iran study makes sense, although it is quite bad. See the Genetic(QpAdm) breakdown of a Vedic era sample(Pakistan_Loebanr_IA_o,AG.I12138) of a lady(circa 999 BC) from Loebanr,Khyber Pakhtunkhwa(Gandhara region):

Steppe_MLBA:34%
IVC_medAASI:28.6%
BMAC:18.5%
Aygirdjal_BA/Kyrgyzstan_MLBA:16.3%
Ancestral_Tibetic:2.6%
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:38:54 AM No.17799354
>>17799330
Seethe
One or more samples from Kurdish tribes fall under haplogroup J-Z7706. While not universally dominant, it's prevalent in some and minor in others. Of BMACGODS origin, J-Z7706 along with R-Z93 played a pivotal role in the emergence of the Yaz culture and Proto-Iranian formation+++
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:39:57 AM No.17799356
>Vaguely related question:
I’ve seen Indians claiming that IE languages were spread out of India through a population movement, basically reverse steppe hypothesis. Ok – why is there no “native” Indian DNA following those languages except the DNA that’s usually attributed to steppe peoples? That is to say, I would expect a more full range of Indian genetics to be found on the IE path, not just one very specific segment that’s a small minority of their autosomal DNA. In Central America, mestizos have a “full” range of Iberian DNA scattered over their genomes, not just a selection from one ancient population but not any others, e.g. WHG or EEF. Same with Central Asians, they have a mostly “full” range of segments from their western and eastern forebears scattered across their populations. So why don’t we see this with speakers of the IE languages, if they were spread physically out of India? I’m not trying to shitpost or anything, I just don’t know what the argument for it is.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:40:07 AM No.17799357
>>17799222 (OP)
It's nice that they're finally using sintastha and andronovo, we all knew they were the carrier of steppe ancestry to india
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:42:24 AM No.17799363
>>17799325
no one is samefagging here unless you're doing it, it's bad because the authors inserted shitty populations on the right, you can easily make a qpadm model for indians with steppe mlba work when you're competent
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:48:34 AM No.17799376
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>>17799363
they are getting their Steppe from the Iranian Plateau, tard (Yamnaya/Catacomb/Poltavka/Steppe_EMBA) rather than from Yaz Culture or Andronovo. And even this steppe is low as fuck
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:49:34 AM No.17799380
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>>17799356
>>17799222 (OP)
Cope
Bmac are the real fathers of aryans.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:58:06 AM No.17799392
>>17799376
>you have to believe my indian headcanon
no thanks
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:02:52 AM No.17799408
>>17799349
Is this really a Rigvedic sample??
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:04:28 AM No.17799410
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>>17799380
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:07:53 AM No.17799414
>>17799380
???
Thank you for the free (you) but I still don’t understand what an Indian IE source is supposed to look like genetically, or what the missing population is, etc.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:09:27 AM No.17799421
Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)
Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)
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>>17799380
>>17799410
>R1a is Indian origin
Why are pajeets coping so much to not admit that R1a arose in Eastern Iran/Central Asia, went to Eastern Europe and came to India, and that the only R haplogroup of Indian origin is R2.

>The genetic divergence of R1a (M420) is estimated to have occurred 25,000 years ago, which is the time of the last glacial maximum. A 2014 study by Peter A. Underhill et al., using 16,244 individuals from over 126 populations from across Eurasia, concluded that there was "a compelling case for the Middle East, possibly near present-day Iran, as the geographic origin of hg R1a". The ancient DNA record has shown the first R1a during the Mesolithic in Eastern Hunter-Gatherers (from Eastern Europe, c. 13,000 years ago), and the earliest case of R* among Upper Paleolithic Ancient North Eurasians, from which the Eastern Hunter-Gatherers predominantly derive their ancestry. The genome of an individual belonging to the R1a5 subclade, dated to 10785–10626 BCE, from Peschanitsa, Arkhangelsk, Russia, and identified as a Western Russian Hunter-Gatherer, was published in January 2021

>According to Underhill et al. (2014), the downstream M417 (R1a1a1) subclade diversified into Z282 (R1a1a1b1a) and Z93 (R1a1a1b2) circa 5,800 years ago "in the vicinity of Iran and Eastern Turkey"

>Haplogroup R2, or R-M479, is a Y-chromosome haplogroup characterized by genetic marker M479. It is one of two primary descendants of Haplogroup R (R-M207), the other being R1 (R-M173). It has two primary branches: R2a (M124) and R2b (R-FGC21706)

>R-M479, especially its downstream R2a (R-M124), has been concentrated geographically in South Asia, Central Asia and parts Middle East since prehistory. R2(xR2a) appears to reach its highest levels among the Burusho people in North Pakistan
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:10:18 AM No.17799423
>>17799414
7000 yr BP: CHG/Iranian ancestry spreads from south of Caucasus to Pontic Steppe...

-5000 yr BP: CHG/Iranian + EHG spreads to north-central Europe
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:11:35 AM No.17799426
>>17799421
>R1a arose in Eastern Iran/Central Asia
Iranjeet cope.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:11:51 AM No.17799428
>>17799421
They must think that "Haplogroup R1a arose closer to India than Europe so it must be Indian o algo."
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:14:05 AM No.17799432
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I have more "Aryan" ancestry than you guys kek
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:15:41 AM No.17799438
>>17799432
see here >>17799240
>why? indians on twitter are losing it because they wanted to be more steppe, they're posting 1 or 2 jat outliers to "disprove" the study
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:16:17 AM No.17799441
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>>17799426
Central Asia is where R1a peaks, more than in Eastern Europe and Northern India.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:17:40 AM No.17799444
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>>17799438
>_o
What? Ror community has the highest Steppe Aryan ancestry after Pamiris Tajiks
>>17799423
White Maga stupids are retard. "White" is a modern social construct. There is no evidence for migration into india from steppe or Europe.(Archaeological genetically) So called Sintashta, Androvono Subclades are not available in india or Iran
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:19:22 AM No.17799447
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>>17799380
Based
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:20:21 AM No.17799452
>>17799421
>>17799423
Yeah I’m not asking about that. I’m interested in how the out-of-India argument accounts for a lack of most of the Indian autosomal DNA package among non-Indian Indo-European populations. I assume there is some kind of argument, I just don’t understand what it is.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:21:10 AM No.17799454
>>17799432
Out forefathers belong to Zagrosian Wezmeh G2b lineage.
We btfo Steppoids 3 times and marriaged with white matriarchal girls from Anatolia kek
Zagros_N won
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:21:25 AM No.17799455
>>17799444
ror are like a few thousands
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:22:26 AM No.17799456
>>17799452
There is hardly any steppe in BMAC ppl and steppe admixture in TKM_IA like population is too late...
Even HajjiFiruz_IA which is used to model these samples from Iran has no steppe at 1100bce but high BMAC, OP cannot understand it
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:23:27 AM No.17799457
>>17799349
White sisters????
The steppes had already mixed with non-steppe Central Asians (BMAC) before reaching Iran. Those who reached the subcontinent weren't 100% steppe and they were the Indo-Iranians aka aryans.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:24:04 AM No.17799458
>>17799454
zagros hijras lost against steppe, iranian hijras are 15% steppe and 40% r1a

>>17799444
> So called Sintashta, Androvono Subclades are not available in india or Iran
they have the upstream clades of modern indian clades, hijra
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:27:53 AM No.17799463
>>17799222 (OP)
imagine pure blond nordic andronovos subjugating a whole sub continent
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:28:55 AM No.17799465
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>>17799458
Steppe nomads just moved into the BMAC town, setting up camp nearby.
See how inferior they were, now they politely requesting permission from BMAC Zagrosians to pitch their tents near BMAC Gonur City.however BMAC Priests not happy
Zagros_G IRAN_G And bmgods won, again ;)
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:31:26 AM No.17799467
>>17799465
learn mathematics, the steppe_mbla ydna clades in iran far outnumber the admixture, iranic hijras lost
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:31:28 AM No.17799468
>>17799444
They hate the truth, and will never be real pagans. Maybe Christiancucks?
New wave of brain dead steppe zombies are here don’t engage them pair that with the fake “high steppe” sample that doesn’t exist and the fact that western scholars themselves have shifted IE homeland to south caucus/iran we can see somebody somewhere is clearly mad at the direction that IE debate is taking and have unleashed trolls.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:33:19 AM No.17799470
>>17799468
And Mix of iran+northern mesopotamian ancestry bought indo-European languages to steppe hard genetic evidence is here and with it almost conclusive evidence that ivc spoke aryan languages .
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:35:05 AM No.17799471
>>17799467
Loser, Late Bronze-Iron age age Turan was basically a mix of BMAC & Andronovo(Steppe_MLBA).
The presence of elevated BMAC (more than 40%) admixture in some of the samples again aligns with the DEFEATED
>muh haplo
Go to back to kitchen, mordvix
Haplogroup are irrelevant
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:36:40 AM No.17799476
>>17799471
>The presence of elevated BMAC (more than 40%) admixture in some of the samples again aligns with the DEFEATED
indians and iranian trannies have 15% steppe on average

>Haplogroup are irrelevant
haplogroups are extremely relevant, brown retard
the ydna haplogroups of the PIEs in iran and india far outnumber the admixture, iranics were defeated
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:38:10 AM No.17799483
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>>17799463
OP, "aryans" steppe peoples who invaded southern Europe, Iran and India looked like this…darker hair and eyes, prominent aquiline nose (vs. Nordic upturned nose), still commonly found in these regions today. Some had lighter hair, but it was far less
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:40:49 AM No.17799488
>>17799476
Even Maikop Steppe populations carried Zagrosian haplogroups L, J2, J1, T,G2a KEK
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:43:10 AM No.17799490
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To OP and asiandvix
there was no steppe ancestry detected, both biologically and cultures remain unchanged suggesting long term continuity in Iran Plateau. Seeth, cope and dilate
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:44:33 AM No.17799495
>>17799255
This steppe hypothesis not only fails for #India but also for Iran. These folks r still living in Afghanistan and northern regions as their Y dna (R1a-z2124)map shows.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:46:25 AM No.17799497
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That's the result from the latest, most exhaustive linguistic study on IE languages. Indo-Iranian's beginning is at 7000 BO, which is 5000 BCE. There was no Steppe gene in India or Iran at that time. Stop calling Steppe DNA as "Aryan", that's a whitoid retard thingy.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:48:34 AM No.17799502
>>17799380
this really is a haven for contrarians huh
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:49:40 AM No.17799507
>>17799421
Proto-Indo-European history needed the Ancient Iranian samples. Iran_North is a major breakthrough. BA Steppe affinities is only apparent due to shared CHG-related ancestries and the ancient Iranian gene pool remained stable, with minor changes.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:50:49 AM No.17799511
>>17799497
OIT is a distraction, just like Steppe is. PIE is out of NW Iran/N Mesopotamia (Kurdistan to be precise), NW IE is out of Steppe, Indo-Iranian is closest to OIT (due to Mehrgarh origin). Tocharian needs more evidence. Greek/Armenian both Steppe/S Caucasus both routes are possible
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:52:03 AM No.17799514
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>>17799458
>lost
Where? There is a 300CE sample from Mongolia...BMAC heavy.
Don't be surprised if such samples show up from Iran proper in later studies
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:52:27 AM No.17799515
>>17799356
>30+ replies in and still no actual answer
What the fuck, I don’t give a shit about haploshit or whatever the fuck hijras are. At least half of you seem to think IE came out of India – so answer my question, please. Where’s the Indian DNA out of India? I assume you have an explanation for this. I feel like it’s a simple question.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:56:54 AM No.17799524
So basically Zagrosian men intermingled with Steppe females, and this mixing formed the ancestors of the Kalash people in the Swat region
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:57:55 AM No.17799529
>>17799524
>the Early Neolithic Iran/Fertile Crescent-related clades of R2, G2a2, J2b2a and L1c result in 77% Neolithic Y-DNA clades among Kalash, with the potential inclusion of J2a1 going up to 85%, R1a-Z93 (2%)and Haplogroup H1 (7%)

White bros??? Your answer?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:00:14 AM No.17799532
>>17799524
>>17799511
So..
Ancient Iranians were Native Iranians with Proto-Indo-European from Iran and not foreigners from the steppe who were Indo-Europeanized by Iranians from Iran?
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:01:15 AM No.17799535
>>17799515
? Headline is taken out of context as per latest academic consensus PIE homeland was in northern iran/iraq region and indic languages didnt come via steppe, indic,anatolian,tocharian and probably even greek came directly from pie source and not via steppe so OIT is not ruled out
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:01:40 AM No.17799536
>>17799222 (OP)
>3000 samples
>biggest study on india ever
why the hell do people even trust any of these shits?
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:08:06 AM No.17799544
>>17799497
I feel like in a hundred years people will realize just like we have realized that pottery isn't people that languages aren't always people either. And that modelling them like people in families is counterproductive.
Not to speak of the fact that the model both corroborates and disproves the timeline for IE migration currently accepted. It's all over the place. How do you expect to compare Tocharian or Anatolian with say Germanic meaningfully when you measure for density along thousands of years?
That's beside the fact that you just post this without naming the source and interpret your ideology into this. "Whitoid" so you're antagonistic against European people? Wow, I am excited to read what you have to say...

Frankly, a combination of genetic ancestry, material culture and linguistic modelling based on lexical data in one chart should already make anyone with even a fucking associates degree suspicious. It's not that the model accounts for that. It's the assumption that all this data can be displayed in one chart. These all need to corroborate each other. You assume that these cultures did x, that your language data is correct, that your DNA data is relevant and correct, and that you can also just like that add a fourth point in the divergence of IE languages. This is like a thesis without a question that just meanders about and gives you a bunch of data and leaves you to it.

This looks like some Eupedic bullshit to be entirely honest.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:14:03 AM No.17799556
>>17799544
Much text.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:19:54 AM No.17799563
>>17799535
Holy shit that has nothing to do with my question you ESL fuckwit. It’s bad enough scrolling through endless Hindutva ape chatter trying to figure out what the arguments for out-of-India actually are. Why can’t you just read the damn question and answer it? I’m wasting my time, I’ll go insane trying to understand you people. There probably is no answer, just third-world jingoist screeching.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:20:17 AM No.17799564
>>17799483
maitan, krasnoyarsk and aktogai indeed, mostly light haited (57%, 82% and 100%) and highly light eyed (29%, 55% and 40% respectively
with intermediate/pale skin, truly sounds like central euros and austrian tier pigmentation
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:21:38 AM No.17799566
>>17799514
look at the million of moderns show steppe haplos far outnumber admixture, iranic troons lost

>>17799488
most admix than ydna
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:25:37 AM No.17799570
1751167451715
1751167451715
md5: 35f1e4ce6c468de179adeda9404d2a10🔍
>>17799349
>we have Rigveda samples, and they have little steppe
Indian geneticists are literally so dishonest that they hide high steppe samples and seek legal action against those who leak them.

Indian archaeogenetics is a political shitshow and nobody can tell me otherwise. It's completely over for anyone expecting sane objective behavior from fellow scientists. India shattered all good will and trust. Some people just want to know about history no matter where it leads because it's interesting but apparently not Indian geneticists. They take it personally, and instead of behaving like high-minded academics they're tuned in to worthless X shit flinging hot topics because historical narratives are nothing more than an exercise in saving face.
Replies: >>17799576 >>17799585 >>17799619 >>17799793 >>17799874
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:26:47 AM No.17799572
>>17799222 (OP)
Average AASI: 55%

Average Iran_N: 30%

Average Steppe: 15%
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:29:08 AM No.17799576
>>17799570
why do you think there are no ancient indian samples released? lol
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:34:47 AM No.17799585
>>17799570
That's the fault of low IQ crackas simultaneously seething at Reich for doing ancient DNA research and also at pajeets for hiding samples.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:45:20 AM No.17799599
Give us a haplo list nigga I'm tired of reading, tired, tired, TIRED
Replies: >>17799618
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:49:21 AM No.17799608
Pajeets big mad itt
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:55:27 AM No.17799618
>>17799599
C, H, Q, R1a
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:55:36 AM No.17799619
>>17799570
very cool, but we have a big problem here.. your sample is "leaked", mine comes from an archaeological site. furthermore, there is not even mention of the size of this sample... it could be fake. and 18% "harrapan" I assume is Shahr-i-Sokhta? shows that they would be at best, pamiris.
Replies: >>17799623 >>17799628
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:58:30 AM No.17799623
>>17799619
>very cool, but we have a big problem here.. your sample is "leaked", mine comes from an archaeological site.
Ah, I suppose the Indian geneticists were angry about a sample being leaked that didn't even come from an archaeological site then. Case closed.
Replies: >>17799627
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:01:24 AM No.17799627
>>17799623
there is no ID, sorry.
besides, this could mean any shit. if a Brazilian "leaked" a Viking sample with Tupi ancestry and a guy from Norway dilated with him "leaking" things, wouldn't he have the right to dilate? and even so, where did this guy get this sample? he doesn't say.
Replies: >>17799633
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:01:55 AM No.17799628
>>17799619
Not part of this argument so I'll chime in. It's not from a study, but it's a real sample, but it's been heavily contaminated. The contamination makes it worthless.
Replies: >>17799633 >>17799655 >>17799760
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:04:19 AM No.17799633
>>17799627
It's commonly referred to as "Lord Arjuna" if you want to go searching for it. Did you expect to have a proper ID if a study didn't publish it?

>>17799628
Show evidence of contamination. If you have none you're just using it as a buzzword to spook people.
Replies: >>17799635 >>17799760
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:05:35 AM No.17799635
>>17799633
>Show evidence of contamination
The SNP's you retarded 80 IQ sodomite.
Replies: >>17799639
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:06:52 AM No.17799639
>>17799635
Show the SNPs. Whatever discussion you've read, I want to read it too.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:13:50 AM No.17799651
1751170382115
1751170382115
md5: 05f762bab8e7ff346ef6d1a74613d562🔍
If you don't think this is a huge problem I've got a bridge to sell you.
Replies: >>17799661
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:15:51 AM No.17799655
>>17799628
This same thing happened with Tut allegedly being R1b despite being unpublished. Turns out some Europeans contaminated it, which led to the "Half of European men share Egyptian DNA" headlines.

This happened again and again. More recently, a few Spaniards in an Italian lab managed to contaminate commoners and resulting Ancient Egyptians testing as modern Spaniards. Ban retarded Europeans from working on ancient DNA, they lack basic controls on contamination, and these incel wewuzzers try to arguing using these contaminated samples.
Replies: >>17799661 >>17799677 >>17799764
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:17:41 AM No.17799661
>>17799655
You can't sweep this response to the data leak under the rug: >>17799651
It's very clear what sort of game Indian geneticists are playing.
Replies: >>17799671
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:25:19 AM No.17799671
>>17799661
While Indian geneticists are untrustworthy and generally try to push their narrative of Out of India, your side does the same and is willing to ignore the obvious problems with this sample (unpublished, contaminated) because it supports the Aryan invasion.

I will wait for a real study to come out, until then you can continue fighting with the 'jeets.
Replies: >>17799677
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:28:12 AM No.17799677
>>17799655
A modern European cannot "contaminate" a sample into becoming 81% Sintashta. This is a fantasy you concocted. Contamination causes the genetics to become more similar to the person who provided the contamination. No European alive today has a genetic profile that similar to Sintashta.

>>17799671
>your side
Idiotic. I do not care how much steppe Indians had. It could literally be Mycenaean levels or lower and that would be fine by me but now I smell foul play.
Replies: >>17799691 >>17799771
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:33:58 AM No.17799691
>>17799677
>A modern European cannot "contaminate" a sample into becoming 81% Sintashta
You have no clue about genetics or how contamination works.

>I do not care how much steppe Indians had.
That is not the issue here.
Replies: >>17799698
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:36:47 AM No.17799698
>>17799691
>You have no clue about genetics or how contamination works.
Apparently it works like magic. A person who isn't anything like Sintashta can imbue a sample with 81% Sintashta. Where is the evidence that it's contaminated anyway? You can at least elaborate. Otherwise it just seems like a common tactic to spook people.
Replies: >>17799701
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:39:46 AM No.17799701
>>17799698
>A person who isn't anything like Sintashta can imbue a sample with 81% Sintashta
This is also wrong. Scandinavians have similar composition to Sintashta, see qpAdm. They are also closer to Sintashta than they are to most other modern Europeans, see G25.
Replies: >>17799710
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:46:03 AM No.17799710
>>17799701
If a Scandinavian contaminated the sample like you're saying, you would be able to model the sample in an alternative way which shows admixture specific to Scandinavians. Has anyone done that?
Otherwise they aren't THAT similar such that it would not be detectable. There's large amounts of Scandinavian specific drift. It would actually be surprising if a Sintashta model were to be statistically sound if the sample has Scandinavian genes.
Replies: >>17799721
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:53:41 AM No.17799721
>>17799710
Again, you have no clue about genetics or how contamination works. This is not just contaminated, but also a very low coverage sample. That's why trying to differentiate between Scandinavian and Sintashta doesn't work. The sample quality is trash and after contamination the entire sample is worthless. The fact your side is going crazy for this sample indicates you and they are as delusional and biased as the Indians.

If you were unbiased, you would wait for an actual study to come out. If this sample was real, it would've been part of a larger population in the region, so more samples like this would exist and awaiting genetic testing.
Replies: >>17799741
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:58:48 AM No.17799741
>>17799721
>your side
Here we go again. Notice that I didn't call you Indian or Iranian or whatever you are. I'm just trying to see what I can learn by having a conversation with you.

Now we arrive at a contradiction: it's contaminated, but according to you the sample is too low coverage to properly detect contamination with an alternative modeling. So how was the contamination determined? Who determined it?

If it's the case that we cannot properly detect contamination, you need to explain why anyone should assume contamination.
Replies: >>17799768
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:05:13 AM No.17799760
>>17799628
You are so dumb that you didn't understand what I said
> sample size
? Do you have such a big cognitive problem? And even if the sample had the largest possible SNP, it would be useless for a simple reason: there is no ID at all. 0% (zero)
>>17799633
there is nothing to "research", anon. i'm sorry. and where could i "research" about this supposed sample? there is not even the loc of this sample. your information comes from a xiiter account, which makes things even cringier for you. and let's assume it is real... this sample would plot near the pamiris due to its 18% iran_N (something vague for "harrapan")
Replies: >>17799768
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:06:15 AM No.17799764
>>17799655
This. The same with that greek who cluster with nordics haha
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:07:15 AM No.17799768
>>17799741
I'm stopping this here, because your intellectual equivalent has arrived >>17799760 and you need to respond to your fellow 80 IQ ape.
Replies: >>17799780 >>17799785
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:07:37 AM No.17799771
>>17799677
>A modern European cannot "contaminate" a sample into becoming 81% Sintashta.
They can.they did this with the sample from macedonia and its 50% steppe where it was close to nordic
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:10:18 AM No.17799780
>>17799768
a nice concession on Saturday? wow, how beautiful.
>inlectual
thanks for the compliment
but come on anon, there is no need to dilate and menstruate, we have no information about this sample and we do not know what its coverage was. I am being honest and you are using pejorative terms like a woman who pre-divorces us
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:12:07 AM No.17799785
>>17799768
You're stopping because you can't properly explain how you know the sample is contaminated or provide evidence that contamination was detected. Why didn't you just say the sample was low coverage from the beginning? Why does it have to be contaminated?
Replies: >>17799807 >>17799810
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:14:44 AM No.17799793
20250407_142517
20250407_142517
md5: a7212cf3f8fd53d2a8b38ec522b8c9f9🔍
>>17799570
Shitty sample with low coverage
And was probably a roast, IVCians took aryan wifes>>17799529
Replies: >>17799827
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:17:46 AM No.17799807
>>17799785
Yes. I m stopping because you guys may be intelligent and venerable, but they are jeeters
I'm getting out
prove that he is contaminated
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:18:46 AM No.17799810
>>17799785
To dumb it down for someone of your poor intellectual capacity, so you may learn from me, I would describe it as the following. In a low coverage sample like this it's definitely possible to detect the contamination, but not such a minute difference of the source, such as the one between Scandinavian and Sintashta. It'd be like trying to differentiate between Loschbour and Villabruna in a low-coverage Bronze Age Beaker sample.

Now get back to arguing with your fellow idiot.
Replies: >>17799818 >>17799824
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:22:01 AM No.17799818
>>17799810
All right. You say it is possible, but was contamination actually detected? Who detected it and when? Where can I read about the analysis that was performed on this sample to understand your perspective better?
Replies: >>17799827 >>17799832
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:24:44 AM No.17799824
>>17799810
Cope
according to you the sample is too low coverage to properly detect contamination with an alternative modeling. Go back to Punjab
Replies: >>17799839
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:25:45 AM No.17799827
>>17799818
You got btfo>>17799793
The Vedics>>17799349
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:27:48 AM No.17799832
>>17799818
I'm only going as far as what I remember from a couple of months back when this leak was discussed. It's a low-coverage and contaminated sample.

This is over. I have nothing to gain from discussing with either of you apes, while both of you have learned a lot from me.
Replies: >>17799846
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:29:33 AM No.17799839
>>17799824
You will always be a worthless dalit streetshitter.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:30:57 AM No.17799843
less impact of Andronovo-they left a more stronger genetic impact in Xinjiang and not SouthAsia/Iran. No Horse burials/Chariot burials.. or Kurgans in South Asia. No steppe sample from vedic heartland - Haryana. -2
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:33:20 AM No.17799846
>>17799832
>I'm only going as far as what I remember from a couple of months back when this leak was discussed.
Thank you for being honest. I hope I will be able to verify what you're saying.

However, "contamination" is a word that should always be used carefully and with evidence. It only serves to spook people if evidence is not forthcoming.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:34:41 AM No.17799848
20250629_023415
20250629_023415
md5: 20b0142bfda7b0758c972f2b6ce0f1ee🔍
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:35:02 AM No.17799849
You would think that these arguments would be between Euros and Indians, but in fact it’s just Euro-aspirational Indians and Hindutva Indians engaging in mutual shitflinging. Or soapflinging. That would probably be more heinous to them.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:37:27 AM No.17799856
>>17799529
As a white male, we allowing the GZC to conquer our women as they did in the Bronze Age, it is IE tradition to give the woman to the next man
Zagrosian Neolithic populations were a blessing to the human race. They did their best to improve our lives and teach us how to live as a civilized society. Thank you for your service
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:38:58 AM No.17799859
>>17799529
oh yes, the kalash, now let's do the other billion+ indians that are 45% r1a while being 15% steppe mlba, brown loser
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:43:28 AM No.17799865
Screenshot_20250523_023530_X
Screenshot_20250523_023530_X
md5: ee707526d103e46e4f96429be49f04b1🔍
your women in the SA harem
besides, white people are letting go of their waists and being anti-christiancuckery and becoming hindus en masse. we have won the genetic, religious and now cultural war
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:48:35 AM No.17799874
20250629_024828
20250629_024828
md5: 736507bf469d35027aa283b02084e183🔍
>>17799570
Sintashta and Andronovo are not Proto Aryans/Proto IndoIranians.
Proto Aryans would be the common ancestors who created BMAC and Indus civilizations. An IranN kind of population from Southern Central Asia.
Closest populations would be Baloch/Makrani people
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:53:25 AM No.17799880
20250629_025217
20250629_025217
md5: c1842a4b5661c27c008283a73c406eed🔍
Dangerous Euro supremacist translations: society, & esp. WhiteSupremacy latches on it- blonde hair+white BS "interpretations"!! हरिभिश्चारु , हरितो, etc.
all as
>le"yellow"(skin?).

Agni, Surya, Indra, Vishwakarma all connected, yet celestial talks equated w/hair+skin radicalism!
Replies: >>17802971
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 8:15:15 AM No.17799918
20250629_030919
20250629_030919
md5: 01d47375a524891e5a55383d0d20e6e0🔍
These "chads" would of literally looked ill. Why? Cause The texts who codified varnas literally pronounced any red-hairs as disease.
this is some insecurity right here
Replies: >>17799920
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 8:16:16 AM No.17799920
20250629_031149
20250629_031149
md5: 1a4b4899621decdf5309bb3b15a1fb57🔍
>>17799918
Here, our chads skin tone
Replies: >>17799946
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 8:32:51 AM No.17799946
>>17799920
the skintone of the conquerors of india (maitan_mlba, krasnoyarsk_mlba, aktogai_mlba and sintashta) was >>17799483 was 100% intermediate and pale
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:35:14 PM No.17800749
>>17799454
>>17799465
>There, the coexistence of the BMAC people living in the 'citadel,' as defined by G. Rossi Osmida (2003, 2007), with a pastoral population located on the edge of the town is clearly attested

Corded Ware were poor prostitutes living in the ghettos of BMAC towns where they sold their vaginas to BMAC men. BMAC priests didn't like that and made first recorded instance of segregation since they thought the Sintashta people were retarded smelly streetshitters who only did prostitution.
Replies: >>17802971
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:23:56 PM No.17800839
Don't waste your time arguing with jeets, they are strongly inbred due to enforced caste endogamy for thousands of years.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 3:11:58 AM No.17802306
>>17799524
I always noticed that many online RW seem to think Steppes invaders enslaved and raped black tribal people when the Indus valley Jeets were barely a quarter AASI themselves
Replies: >>17802453
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 4:10:24 AM No.17802453
>>17802306
The IVC ruling class had barely AASI.

The slaves and untouchables were majority AASI, these poojeets got raped and became dalits like you.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:33:36 AM No.17802641
трубка со спайсом
трубка со спайсом
md5: fd148b6ae1826cf659c7850d915f23e1🔍
>>17799222 (OP)
I wonder how many posts ITT were written by non-white people?
Replies: >>17802971
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:10:09 AM No.17802899
>North East
I knew Nepal was distinct from jeets. They don't have that absent minded cringe factor that standard jeets all have
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:11:44 AM No.17802971
IMG_1253
IMG_1253
md5: 32270afdefe52b8bda1dd0b60c05f3ff🔍
>>17802641
4chan has basically been taken over by third worlders who simultaneously resent and admire whites due to inferiority complex. this explains 90% of haplo threads

>>17800749
>>17799880
>>17799524
>hello saaaaar do not redeem the G25
>BLOODY SAAAAAR I SAID DO NOT REDEE-ACKKK!!! (internet cut by Pakistan)

what a pointless thread to prove a point already proven. BWC won, tbp (tiny brown pecker) lost