Would WWI have still happened if Princip's gun had jammed?

not the WW1 we knew but they had a war scare like every year, euro leaders drunk on nationalism wanted to fight and didn't realize what they were getting into

>>17800162 (OP)
The eternal anglo, the eternal mongol and the eternal frog would just find another ridicolous excuse to declare war and try to destroy the superior German civilization that was demolishing all of them in terms of industrialization, scientific progress and cultural development

>>17800255
Okay, Hans.

The rothschilds who hired the assassin would just hire another assassin the next day, and hire another if that one failed too.

>>17800162 (OP)
His gun did jam multiple times. Also his explosives didn’t go off. Also the route was changed last minute so he waited in the wrong spot and missed him, only to look out the window of a cafe hours later and see the motorcade passing and he ran out in the middle of eating and attacked with no back up.
He tried to kill himself but his gun jammed. Then he swallowed his cyanide capsule but it was expired and did nothing. So then he tried to drown himself in the river but due to unseasonably low rainfall the river was only like 2 feet deep and the police just lifted him out of the water lol.

>>17800162 (OP)
there were several more serious crises than this in the 2 decades before 1914 that were deescalated. The difference was in 1914 Germany wanted a European war, so they made sure it happened.

If you're interested in this question I HIGHLY recommend reading "The War That Ended Peace: How Europe Abandoned Peace for the First World War" by Margaret MacMillan. A really excellent book on the political and diplomatic situation leading up to WW1. She also wrote a really good book on the Paris Peace Conference, though nothing about what happened between lol.

>>17800291
to add to the comedy of the absurd, the driver took them in front of the cafe by accident after he misunderstood the directions since he didn't speak German. A distinctly Austro-Hungarian problem.

>>17800291


The simulation wanted the war. When things are pre ordained they will happen no matter what in simulation. It’s like a machine which will reach at goal it wants.

You better believe we are living in one machine simulation anon

Germany would've just found another excuse to convince Austria to attack Russia

>>17800359
Simulation theory is just gnosticism for nerds.

>>17801589
>want to attack Russia
>austrian archduke gets assasinated by serbs
>invades belgium
what did they mean with this?

>>17800200
>euro leaders drunk on nationalism wanted to fight and didn't realize what they were getting into
It was just Germany though

>>17800255
>The eternal anglo, the eternal mongol and the eternal frog would just find another ridicolous excuse to declare war

No one was declaring any wars until the Germans showed up.

>>17800259
>>17801654
Fuck off brown kikes

>>17801628
To strike Britain

>>17801628
Everything Germany did between 1806 and 1945 only makes sense within the context of Pan-German/Nordicist autism

>>17801871
Are you Brazilian or brownoid?

>>17800162 (OP)
>war outbreak
No. Four main reasons.
- Hague Conventions of 1915
- Reapproach policy under Wilhelm II and George V, especially secret alliance plans set by Tyrrell and Gottlieb
- Treaty of Björkö
- Games of the VI Olympiad (summer olympic)

Yes

>>17800162 (OP)
yes, the sarajevo was only a feasible trigger. the real issue was disfunctional balance of power in europe after the unification of germany. basically, only Bismarck was capable of keeping it under the lid, and when he died, it was inevitable.

>>17801934
This only right statement. Other rest are obviously warmonger.

>>17800162 (OP)
The Zionists would just manufacture another crisis.

>>17801871
You are right. War because they couldn't understand why the world didn't fall down at their feet giving them their rightful place at the top.

>>17801871
Pan german Zionism

>>17803423
Wow, i had no idea the jewish people were so all powerful.

>>17801640
More like S*rb thing

>>17801871
>Everything Germany did between 1806 and 1945 only makes sense within the context of Pan-German/Nordicist autism
Like not conquering Switzerland and exposing the Tyrolians in Italy to ethnic cleansing?

>>17800162 (OP)
Yes, anglos, frogs and mongols had an intrinsic hate of Germany due its cultural, industrial and scientific superiority and their wet dream was to destroy it

>>17800291
I’m just imagining a time traveler replacing the powder with dirt, giving bad directions to him, etc. and just fucking giving up when war always happened, so he just decides to make Gavrilo’s life shit by fucking up his suicide attempts lol

>>17802744
>"fellow prussians, we need to bully France and Austria if we want an united Germany!"
>indoctrinate the future kaiser to be an ultranationalist retard because his liberal parents were mean to you
>"why France and the rest of Europe distrust us?"
>"why Austria, our only ally is a unstable shithole?"
>Wilhelm II grew up to become a ultranationalist warmonger and fires your ass to start a dick measuring contest with Britain and Russia
They were already doomed from the start lol

>>17803941
Did nothing wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh7OEq5fm2Q

>>17802744
A lot of the problems that ended up causing WW1 were actually down to Bismarck's disastrous policies though. While Wilhelm II was certainly a retard, his position was incredibly complicated and ugly when he took over which Germany being practically isolated from all the Great Powers and its only ally being Austria, a beaten down dog which like Italy in WW2 was more of a detriment to the war effort than help.

WW1 happening was not a forgone conclusion. Believing this is peak midwit armchair history BS. The cascade of events that led to WW1 was not predetermined or set in stone, several unfortunate things had to coincide one after the other for things to spiral out of control.

Franz Ferdinand was not well-liked within Austria. He was a black sheep in the royal family because he married a non-royal, and politically unpopular in Vienna because he was (ironically) sympathetic to non-Austrian peoples within the Empire such as the Serbians. So Austria-Hungary's "outrage" over Franz's death was entirely performative. It was what honor demanded of them, because assassinating royal family members demanded some kind of action.

The Austria-Hungary military used this incident to push for aggressive military action against Serbia. They did not have to do this, there was no outcry among the people demanding it, and Austria-Hungary could have in fact gotten most of its original list of demands from Serbia had they bothered to negotiate, except they didn't. Ordinarily when an incident like this happens there are long weeks and months of negotiations to diffuse the situation as terms are discussed to decide the outcome. There wasn't anything time-constrained about it, they could've taken their time extracting concessions from Serbia (who actually agreed to all but 1 of Austria-Hungary's originally proposed terms and stated they were willing to discuss the last one). But nope. War.

This is where the second unnecessary decision was made, by Germany, to involve itself in Austria-Hungary's war by preemptively attacking France (because France was going to attack them if they attacked Russia, so Germany was getting ahead of itself).

The breakdown in negotiations and diplomacy between the great powers, and the decision by AH and Germany to preemptively declare war are what contributed to the spiral of disaster. It didn't have to happen, warmongers wanted it to happen.

>>17800255
/thread

>>17800299
>1700–1721 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1733–1738 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1756–1763 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>18th–19th centuries :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1803–1815 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1853–1856 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1877–1878 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1914–1918 :GERMANY WANTS WAR
>1919–1921 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1921 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1938–1939 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1939–1940 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1939 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1941–1944 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1941–1945 :GERMANY WANTS WAR
>1950–1953 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1956 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1955–1975 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1968 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1979–1989 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1950s–1980s :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1994–1996 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>1999–2009 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>2008 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>2014–present :Russia tries to expand to the West
>2014 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>2014–2022 :Russia tries to expand to the West
>2022–present :Russia tries to expand to the West
I love mutt logic

>>17804107
>The cascade of events that led to WW1 was not predetermined or set in stone
Yet by 1914 everyone was armed to the teeth
This is what people ask about when "was WW1 fated to happen?". Its like asking if a person roided to the gills is going to left weights, and the answer is 9% of the time YES

>>17804107
Polish hands worte this

>>17800162 (OP)
Yes, because Russia wanted to conquer Europe, and the Western colonial powers were paranoid of a strong German bloc
>>17800255
Pretty much this

>>17804107
There - probably - would've eventually been a Russian-Austro-Hungarian war over control of the Balkans and over who gets to enslave the Slavs for the next couple decades.

>>17804180
russia only wants 1 (one) warm water port

Why is no one questioning Britbongs escalating this minor continental squabble into a full fledged world war?

>>17804238
Because history in the anglo world is the equivalent of propaganda

>>17804226
Germany is too cucked to asked them for Kaliningrad in exchange for their support in Ukraine.

>>17804191
It did not need to happen. It only happened cause specific state actors willed it into existence.

>>17800162 (OP)
Yes...sure the details may have been slightly different but a "great war" and n Europe would have still happened. Read about the "concert of Europe", the powers that they were about to bump heads so for most of the 19th century that engaged in a careful setup of alliances to stall it by ensuring a balance of power...

>>17804180
yeah thats the history of most great powers