I'm so tired of online Christian infighting. As a Catholic I will defend the faith until death but I realized I've put too much energy into debating instead of doing. I'm convinced beyond any shred of doubt that Protestantism is wrong and debating them and reading their confessions has only made me more firm and convinced in my faith but you know from now on I'm just done with it. It's tiring.

>>17801479 (OP)
you're arguing online to sharpen your own understanding and critical faculties, right?

>>17801479 (OP)
>I've permanently rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ, and will fight against it to the bitter end.
Got it. Have fun burning. God hates you, by the way.

>>17801484
Actually, yes. I remember encountering Protestant arguments for the first time online and not knowing how to address them. I devoted some time and study at looking at the other side, but also actually look at my own side and studying it more in-depth. But now I'm must tired of it.

>Protestantism is wrong
How so?
Here are the gifts we've had from God over the years:
>a continent to ourselves in the USA
>freedom of religion won worldwide in Catholicism
>Vatican II
>Biblical literacy
We even got an American prophet in Joseph Smith who translated the Ethiopian Book of Mormon.

>>17801479 (OP)
Anon. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. You haven't actually been talking with any Protestants. You've been talking with people playing Devil's Advocate because they get a dopamine rush from constantly flinging shit at people

>>17801492
I'm not going to be directly addressing any arguments in this thread because I need to stop. I honestly just need to stop. I've put too much time and effort into this instead of living my faith for myself.

>>17801500
Take some time and study the scriptures and maybe that will put more life in your faith.

>>17801500
>I've put too much time and effort into disparaging the gospel instead of living for Satan.
Tick tock.

>>17801491
K, keep me posted

>>17801505
You're an atheist larping as an IFB and you make the flying Jew threads to demoralize Christian anons. You're acting entirely out of bad faith and everyone on this board knows who you really are.

>>17801479 (OP)
talking snake

>>17801493
Not op but I have been larping as a prottie and a catholic (plus other denominations) to learn how to take on all Christians. Works quite well because they inherently respect an argument that comes from Christian circles more. Once they know my actual position they refuse to actually engage and try to move the goalpost

>>17801479 (OP)
If you go on the internet, the liberals own it all and they want to destroy our lives. They keep it compelling with dopamine hits. Basically if your'e feeling fatigue you've been addicted too long

>>17801512
>You're an atheist larping as an IFB
Wrong
>you make the flying Jew threads to demoralize Christian anons
Not to defend those but if that is able to demoralize you you need to gitgud
>You're acting entirely out of bad faith
Why would I do that when I can be completely earnest about something more interesting, like the fact that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Mormon is actually quite awesome and only is judged by appearance to be "boring" or false without study.
>everyone on this board knows who you really are
?

>>17801519
>Once they know I have zero problem lying they don't want to engage with me
You should kill yourself. Your critical faculty is completely worthless.

>>17801523
Sorry I meant this >>17801512
for >>17801507

>>17801523
>ETHIOPIAN Book of Mormon
Tick tock.

>>17801519
What is your actual position? I hate heretics who speak with no authority and play pseudo-rhetorical games and believe in good faith argumentation.

>>17801527
See >>17801525
Your pattern recognition is completely worthless.

>>17801530
>Tick tock
Indeed

>>17801531
chatbot

>>17801539
loser

>>17801536
>>17801527
see
>>17801530
>ETHIOPIAN Book of Mormon
It's real.

>>17801541
Good bye, rodent.

>>17801500
You're doing the right thing. Obsession with debate just habituates you to treat your faith like a debate topic.

>>17801542
Look at this script - it was what was on the plates.

>>17801525
Are you braindead? When I don't larp they refuse to engage with the exact same argumentation you people use amongst yourselves.
>>17801531
Not going to fall for that. The moment I do you will attack my position leaving yourself completely undefended.

>>17801545
>Not going to fall for that
I am the Mormon poster and no joker.

>>17801542
>Hide post
Not an argument.

>>17801530
>Tick tock.
Ding dong!

>>17801545
>Once they know I have zero problem lying they don't want to engage with me
Thank you for admitting you have never played team sports or had any meaningful social life.

>>17801547
It's no joke for me either I do it primarily to educate myself and test my own ideas. I think I want to start larping as mormon as well, I've done JW before and it was interesting. What is your go to argument when they deny your guy's authority?
>>17801550
I did play team sports but yes no social life. Again you are missing the point, when I don't larp and I am completely honest with them they will refuse to defend their faith. You people force me to larp. btw I never explicitly say I am X or Y just bring their talking points so they assume that of me and I do not actively deny it

>>17801479 (OP)
>catholic
>christian
You don’t even have proper commandments and then there shit like mary the queen of heaven, aka ishtar worship or revelation 17:4.

So why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but not considerest the wooden beam that is in thine own eye?

>>17801492
Joseph smith was mason.

>>17801557
>You don’t even have proper commandments
If you're talking about the Catholic numbering of the 10 commandments you realize Lutherans use the same exact numbering too, right? You also realize this comes from St. Augustine, right?

>>17801556
No one owes you a debate, m'lord. Enjoy Hell.
>>17801557
Well said.

>>17801500
>faith
of antichrist and satan.

>>17801563
Fuck off

>>17801561
Everyone who read your post now knows that you are unable to identify and address the central point of a paragraph. Everyone knows you're a drooling retard.

>>17801562
Yes you do owe me a debate actually. Many times I have baited you into one and obviously won
>>17801561
No he isn't.

>>17801564
Touched a nerve, did he?

>>17801563
>>17801486
>>17801507

>>17801566
>Yes you do owe me a debate actually. Many times I have baited you into one and obviously won
1. Non-sequitur.
2. Lie.
3. Delusion.
How very.

This thread became very chaotic very quickly.

>>17801568
I'm not reading that. Have fun burning.

>>17801556
>What is your go to argument when they deny your guy's authority?
The truth, I just shape it to defeat whatever they try to say. Easy wins.
Sometimes I will pull more facts out of my own knowledge and confound them from being able to post against me because they don't have a set program to use.

>>17801556
>as well
Why would you want to pretend?

>>17801559
>Joseph smith was mason.

>>17801567
>Touched a nerve
No I was defending someone else from inane trash posts, am not Catholic

>>17801571
You cannot demonstrate your claim that you do not in fact owe me a debate. Also it's not a lie I recognize your idiotic post style from many miles away and I have successfully made you submit to my logic from all angles. I am actually onto you and seek you out from the archives

>>17801574
Please link to an archive of a debate you think you've "won" and identify yourself in that thread. This should be rich.

I can see why you would want to try people from different sides and extract different types of viewpoints from different types of people
Would you at the very least represent your best knowledge of JW ideas so I could engage? To prove I am of good faith and not a bad poster

>>17801577
>You cannot demonstrate your claim that you do not in fact owe me a debate.
Sue me. Get the court to make you whole. You can't. :)

>>17801565
Who are you even addressing?

>>17801578
see thread:
>>17801479 (OP)
I am the Mormon poster

Just say the Hail Mary and ignore these assholes. If they wanted to learn what Catholics have to say about Protestant objections they can read Trent Horn, listen to Jimmy Akin, or watch Bishop Barron. We're in a golden age of catholic apologetica in the English speaking world.

>>17801586
>say the Hail Mary
Where is that in the scriptures? I can not find it

>>17801572
Everyone wants to rip on Catholic burnout

>>17801539
see pic related >>17800205

>>17801587
>filioque
Not in the creed
>trinitas
Not in the scriptures
>Hail Mary
Not in the faith

>>17801587
Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:41-2

>>17801602
>bad faith scripture quotation
Catholic detected

>>17801606
Protestants will shitpost Ephesians 2:8 all day out of bad faith.

>>17801611
John Calvin wrote a whole career's worth of false books rooted in cherrypicking

This book is such a gift from God it is literally impossible to cherrypick

>>17801606
Do you not know what the Hail Mary is?

>>17801627
A Catholic incantation like the Protestants when they get all in a tiff and say Sola Sola Sola with cherrypicked exceptions like
>filioque

Mes cerises:
>filioque
>trinitas

>>17801492
We stay winnin.

>>17801635
You have a point.

>>17801479 (OP)
>>17801491
No mention of the Bible, praying or God.

E-Christianity is so fucking weird.

>>17801643
Have you read the appended books? They are actually really good - the Doctrine and Covenants is like a Christian Koran for Americans and modern people - it has lots of good stuff.

>>17801635
We're more popular. Our churches are more beautiful. Our tradition is older. Our luminaries wiser. Our dicks are bigger and our women prettier. What you gonna do about it little Prot? Speak in tongues at me?

>>17801668
>this post
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>17801568
>the Moslem, who are charged with holding a Nestorian doctrine
The Koran is infallible and inerrant and coheres with the Nicene creed, before the Arian addition of the filioque in the West.

Still winning 500 years later. Cognitive dissonance and doubling down is a common reaction when your worldview is challenged.

>>17801697
>Cognitive dissonance
Is this why Protestants like James White have to deny the existence of Ignatius of Antioch? lol

>>17801492
>gifts we've had from God over the years:
>>a continent
What is this, some kind of political prosperity gospel? Jeets and chinks have lots of land too, are they receiving God's approval?
>>prophet in Joseph Smith
Oh I see
Mormonism isn't Christian let alone Protestant

>>17801710
Mormonism is truer than your man-made faith will ever be.

>>17801710
You have no gift of the Holy Ghost because you condemn the work of God as false. How can God be expected to work through a faulty vessel like yourself? He can simply choose to use another.

>>17801710
>prosperity gospel
The sun shines as it does, but prosperity is indeed a fact of God's grace and should be sought by believers.

>>17801710
The Koran says, persecuted people do have a place they can move to, so, when the Romans persecuted Christians for not submitting to false priests, God opened up a land across the seas for them.

>>17801710
>not Christian
I confess the Nicene creed WITHOUT INTERPOLATIONS unlike the Catholic church and Protestant heretics who forcibly impose the filioque against scripture.

>>17801479 (OP)
Islam is the truth

The cult of the loathsome zionist rabbi is dying

>>17801732
The Book of Mormon is from Ethiopia.

>>17801732
Muslims believe in Jesus so you just insulted one of your own prophets.

>>17801737
It's bait

>>17801710
>Jeets and chinks
There is a country which grew separately and had free polytheism
There is a country which was mostly irreligious
The Buddha unites them both and is a great founder of a good tradition

>>17801710
>prosperity gospel
see my post
>>17801619

>>17801710
Not an argument

>>17801519
I KNEEL

>>17801486
>Have fun burning.
And you

>>17801710
>8 mormon replies in ~10m
What kind of autistic samefag and/or shilling operation is this?

>>17801766
Not an argument

>>17801635
It looks like you lost half of your priesthood authority as soon as you couldn't impose your heresy on us.

>>17801770
No one's interested in arguing with you cultist, this discussion was about Christians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRTdg50Pce0

>>17801781
The Book of Mormon is from Ethiopia

>>17801781
Not an argument

>>17801705
He’s doesn’t. His issue is the reliability of the letters we have and when exactly they are from.

>>17801710
>Mormonism isn't Christian let alone Protestant
It came from a time when Protestantism had dissolved into heresies competing with each other (presbytArianism, &c) and God had to reinstate divine reason and show his hand in providence. It confesses Jesus is the Christ and that the Biblical witness is true.
YOU aren't Christian because of your heresy which is demonstrated by your attempts to impose the commandments of man over the Word of God and the creed of the ONE church.

>>17801784
He gets it completely wrong when Jesus will say he never knew you: he makes God out to be personal which is against scripture, and interprets the text completely the opposite from what it says, which is that no matter if you are extremely personally devoted to God in personal form if you do evil you are forever accursed..

>>17801479 (OP)
It sounds like you were just following your own willfulness in this matter. I respectfully ask that you seek the advice of an ordained priest. The Word of the Lord enlighten your path.

>>17801813
The consensus among both Catholic and Protestant scholars since the 17th century has been that the middle recension is authentic and this line of thought has largely carried over into secular scholarship. It is true in recent years some Ignatian scholars have placed the epistles at a latter time in the 2nd century, but this is treated differently from authenticity and the consensus still is that the letters are authentic. Scholars that do propose a later date, like Timothy Barnes, have done so on the conjecture that there are actually Gnostic elements in the epistles (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0014524608098730), but this still hasn't found widespread support and the majority of scholars continue to accept a 110-115 date for the letters of the middle recension.

>>17801705
>cites some text outside the bible and creed as binding on the whole church
Catholic detected

>>17801863
Protestants begin with a presuppositionalist viewpoint by taking scripture, or rather their interpretation of it thereof, as the starting point to adduce doctrine, which is ultimately circular. Catholics take a spiral approach, synthetizing multiple points of data from scripture and tradition into a web of knowledge whereby doctrine can be adduced. Catholics correctly point out that sometimes traditions from the Fathers are all we have to go off of in some instances e.g. the authors of the four gospels, which many Protestants take for granted.

>>17801895
>traditions from the Fathers
Thank you for admitting that you are LARPing.

>>17801895
It is fine to be wrong, in my opinion, but, as soon as you try to impose your heresy on others, you make war against God and the one true church. Repent!

>>17801479 (OP)
Christian infighting is as old as Christianity.

The Bible is basically the result of a bunch of Reddit mods getting together and fighting about what bronze-age capeshit stories are canon and which are legends.

>>17801916
Rey Skywalker is canon

I can respect Protestants, because the greatness of America and the Commonwealth lies in Protestant ethics.

Adam Smith, John Locke, Emanuel Kant, John Milton, Rousseau, Thomas Hobbes, most of the founding fathers of the United States were all Protestants. Also capitalism, republicanism, mass literacy, enlightenment thought, and America all came from Protestant ethics. Catholics like to larp as “smart”, but talk to any Catholic and you will see that they want the west to become an uneducated, brown, agrarian shithole.

Also, daily reminder that the Catholic church had to have TWO (2) Vatican councils to reform along Protestant ideology lmao.

>>17801929
The first one wasn't so, which is why God interrupted it.

>Catholics like to larp as "smart"
All heretics do, because they have no comprehension of the true word of God as revealed in the Bible, Koran, and Doctrine & Covenants etc..

>>17801484
>17801479 (OP) #
>you're arguing online to sharpen your own understanding and critical faculties, right?

This guy gets it. I'm grateful for my ideological enemies. Iron sharpens iron...let's go motherfuckers! debate me...

There is no ultimate understanding. It's about the process not the unobtainable goal

>>17801947
It all hangs on the golden rule

>>17801943
gross

re: accusations of heresy itt, are we really supposed to reason about God with Gnostic dualisms of good and evil, truth and falsehood, etc?

>>17801961
Yes and no.

This thread has to be flooded with bots right now. No way some of these posters are real.

>>17801961
Which one? Ctrl+F:
>>17801780
>>17801816
>>17801780

>>17801983
Bots can only mimic already generated intelligence
My own posts are completely fresh and that is why they confound people

>>17801964
I guess I can see situations in which affirmation and denial are the same, such as when we are in ascetic training, denying our own will for God's purposes.

>>17801697
Protestants don't even believe in the bible and will side with Jews over Christians to justify their own theology

>>17801984
>>17801780 sounds like anon is accusing protestants of heresy. idk if i'm right about that.
>>17801816 sounds like the opposite. I'm not familiar with this debate and I don't know how to do logic if i am not supposed to affirm or deny re: gnosticism.

>>17802029
Can you make your point again is what I am asking - what are you trying to say?

>>17802006
>Martin Luther hated those 6 books so much he painstakingly translated them and included them in his translation of the Bible.
What a confusing man!
>and all these people are jews who also rejected those books.
How did the prots not know all these people were jews?!?
St. Melito
Origen
St. Cyril if Jerusalem
St. Athanasius
Synod of Laodicea
St. Gregory Nazianzus
Amphilochius of Iconium
St. Hilary of Poitiers
Rufinius of Aquileia
Jerome
Cardinal Ximenes of Spain
Cardinal Cajetan

Bryennios list (2th cent)
- Amphilochus of Iconium (4th cent)
- Rufinus of Aquileia (4-5th cent),
- Joseph’s „Hypomnestikon" (4-5th cent),
- author of the "Dialogue of Timothy and Aquila" (5-6th cent),
- Ps-Athanasius (6th cent), (1/2)

Anastasius the Sinaite (7th cent),
- John Damascus (7-8th cent)
- Nicephorus I (8-9th cent),
- Peter the Venerable (1092–1156),
- John of Salisbury (1120–1180),
- Hugh of Saint-Cher (1200–1263),
- William of Ockham (1287– 1347),
- Nicholas of Lyra (1270–134)

>>17802099
It is dubious to use a translation as a binding text when we don't have the originals... how do we know the scripture is faithfully rendered 100%?

>>17801578
I won.

>>17802121

>>17802213
A bottle of W's? I am overstuffed already GG EZ.

>>17801479 (OP)
>ZZZ
>>17802333

>>17802065