Why is genetically engineering humans le bad?

Hard mode: No appeals to jewish fables.

>>17801898 (OP)
I too saw the White Stagg Kino

>>17801898 (OP)
>Why is genetically engineering humans le bad?

It has to do with the era and spirit of the age we live in, pre 1960s mating would come off as “chilling” and the dreaded E- word would get dropped and immediately shut down any discourse. Also Mark Zuckerberg tech types with the worst taste and aesthetic preference imaginable guiding human evolution would be disastrous.

>>17801898 (OP)
This movie would be my utopia except I wouldn't discriminate against invalids since participation in the eugenics program would be made mandatory for all citizens and there wouldn't be anyone to discriminate against.

>>17801898 (OP)
>just trust the science, chud!
The problem with human genetic engineering is that we're only just barely starting to figure out how genetic engineering works, and scientists tend to massively overstate their confidence in their findings.

Suppose that scientists discovered a "smart gene" that would raise your IQ by 10 points, but then later it turns out that this gene massively increases your chances of developing schizophrenia. Or a gene that increased muscle mass but also turned out to cause tumors to develop in your muscle tissue. If we recklessly jump into human genetic engineering the moment some potentially promising discovery is made, it could end up ruining the lives of millions of unsuspecting people.

>>17802082
I never claimed that genetic engineering is perfect, so I don’t understand why you’re acting like I did nigga

>why is *thing* wrong?
>no, you CANNOT invoke any system of morality to explain why its wrong
>>>/pol/

>>17802096
"it's wrong because God said so" is not a real system of morality

>>17801898 (OP)
Can't from a materialistic point of view. Humans are just an arrangement of atoms that spend less than a century on this planet before dying. Science agrees we are animals with genes that affect our nature and behavior. Even if we take the most good faith interpretation of modern liberal tabula rasa ( evolution stopped at the neck, there's no meaning ful difference between males and females) the fact there are so many cruel diseases that eould be solved with AI general editing it would be evil to not tamper with humans gene to prevent them and that's a slippery slop to gene editing for eugenics. Imagine gene editing to make your political views biological instinct, no self interested ideology would give up such a political golden ticket. I mean we already are slowly improving the tech

>>17802096
Look I’ll make all your arguments for you: JEEBUS SAID ITS LE BAD!

There, now we got the religious arguments out of the way and can move on to more serious arguments.

>>17801898 (OP)
>There are people out there that want to turn you into a sub-species of dumb, obedient, serfs
>"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers" t. J. D. Rockefeller
>LET'S GIVE THESE GUYS THE ABILITY TO EDIT PEOPLES GENETICS! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG WITH LETTING THEM TURN HUMANITY INTO THEIR OWN PERSONAL SLAVE CASTE?

>>17801898 (OP)
Nobody would choose to be brown lel

>>17802859
The worse part is they already are, you just never realized it

>>17802859
This is a big part of Brave New World that people tend to forget about: most of the population being bio-engineered to be retarded cattle. Perhaps that would be a more appropriate OP image.

>>17802098
>>17802111
god and traditional buddhism are the only moral systems. Humanities ability to rationalise is only hampered by the assumption of higher powers beyond us making objective judgements. Atheism will inevitably, lead to people rationalising retard monkey behavior.
Everyone remembers a time someone clearly in the wrong rationalised themselves as in the right, only a narcissist will deny that they ever did that.

>>17802095
Why are you getting defensive when you asked why it was bad and were told why it is bad?

>>17802859
They don't need genetic engineering for that, just look at this thread and see the people who don't even think they can possibly consider morality on their own without some charismatic religious figure dictating right and wrong for them because of their susceptibility to social engineering.

>>17802904
>Atheism will inevitably, lead to people rationalising retard monkey behavior.
>t. the retarded monkey who does mock blood sacrifices and cannibalism rituals every sunday and rationalizes them as some kind of purification and ascension rituals

>>17802912
>>17802872
It is absolutely already happening, with media and culture. Imagine how much worse it would get if the bastards pulling those levers today had also been able to write your genetic code too.

At least in Brave New World the 'World Controllers' decided it was easier to keep the people working and under control if they were happy - which does not seem to be the way that their RL counterparts are going at the moment.

>>17801898 (OP)
>>17802111

The main moral argument is we've very rarely ever done such a thing in good faith at scale. It's a high science and most people are stupid babies motivated by "everyone should look like me :)".
Functionally *all* eugenics or human husbandry programs have devolved into either: politically motivated or racially motivated, the sterilization of "undesirables" irregardless of the hereditary nature of their problem, or just plain nepotism "I'm obviously the smartest, the director, so all the sperm in this eugenics bank should be mine".

With that said: gene therapy is being worked on right now, for procedures such as spinal muscle atrophy, blindness, cancer, (introducing edited, functioning, copies of your own genes back into the body) and ones that would make people immune to certain diseases such as HIV, Malaria, and Hepatitis (in this case literally changing the shape of a cell so these viruses can't infect you).

>>17802095
>anon answers OP's question
>yo nigga why yo attackin me nigga

>>17801898 (OP)
Who is in charge of the geneic engineering?

>>17803164
The people who are in charge of everything else, who unironically believe that anybody even slightly less wealthy than them is completely bereft of consciousness and only fit to serve as a labour droid/consoomer

>>17803164
Whoever has the best genetics.

>>17803245
Who decides what the best genetics are?

>>17803250
Whoever is in charge of the genetic engineering.

>>17803252
That souds circular

>>17801898 (OP)
Field is very young and largely untested. Acting too hastily could lead to many people suffering dire consequences or just dying. Otherwise though, retarding the field's development out of gut feeling is retarded. Embryo selection shows little promise, too, however it's a start.

>>17803256
The technical term is forward feedback.

>>17801898 (OP)
Why should things like genetic engineering be regulated or outright banned? Because practically every country in the 21st century west is ruled by a small, insular hereditary nobility comprised of unelected technocrats who believe the proles their privately-bankrolled PR mouthpieces, who we often refer to as elected officials, rule over, are subhuman filth who are fit for little more than a lifetime of hard labour. Give the contemporary western bourgeoisie space-age technologies like gene therapy, AI, and military robots (which are likely gonna be developed in parallel in the coming decades), and there's a close to 100% chance they'll pull the mask off and go full techno-fascist by the end of the 21st century.

>>17802904
Theravada Buddhism is based

>>17802909
>>17803158
That post argues a point I never raised. I never said genetic engineering was perfect as of today.

>>17803486
Thank you, Chud Anon, world's first Thai-American White Supremacist.

>>17803489
I’m doing my part!

>>17801898 (OP)
It isn't bad. It would probably work tremendously, but it would also mean all of us born right now are going to get outcompeted in a fraction of a generation. It is economic suicide, not to mention the public outrage after the first person who's gonna demonstrably die from this.

>>17803164
In free societies it will be parents, the same people who chose which embryos to keep and which to abort now. Different parents will want different things but we should expect the average designer baby to be smarter, stronger, faster and cuter than the average randomizer baby.

In commie countries like China it'll be the government and they will breed compliant subjects, the purest form of what Aristotle called natural slaves.

Fascists, Christians and western leftists will be too bioconservative to push bioengineering, for different reasons.

>>17801898 (OP)
Because all other animals we have to genetically modified by selective breeding are biological freaks incapable of living in nature. Sure they have more meat and lay better eggs etc. but when you pick specific traits it always leads to other problems down the line.

If you just want to get rid of some inheritable diseases, that's fine. If you want to make humans with more muscle or bigger brains you will end up with human versiona of dog breeds that cannot give natural birth and don't live past 7.

>>17802082
>a "smart gene" that would raise your IQ by 10 points, but then later it turns out that this gene massively increases your chances of developing schizophrenia.

Something like this is pretty much guaranteed, high intelligence and certain mental illnesses are strongly correlated.

>>17802111
>>17801898 (OP)
You are not white.

>>17802082
Doesn't have to be perfect. Natural reproduction already produces millions of sickly people every year, we are just used to it.

>>17801898 (OP)
Why is it bad? Because I dislike it
Without appeals to jewish fables, good and bad are merely people's likes and dislikes
If I say I dislike human gentetic engineering, I think it's bad. But you hold another opinion and think it's good
our disagreement ends there

>>17801898 (OP)
Assuming there are no technical issues like modified people getting gigacancer when they're 25 the argument would be that it would significantly reduce diversity. Natural people would be at such a disadvantage compared to modified people so they would gradually be phased out and you'd end up in a world where everyone is just a slight variation of a clone of some perfect template human that their parents chose for them.