>Both Le Christians
>They talk about a verse…
But the actual verse refers to Abraham and his descendants, not specifically to Israel. So both sides misinterpret it in a fundamental and critical way.
Neither party even knows where this verse is found. It’s especially damning for Ted, who has made it his life’s mission to defend Israel based on a verse he misquotes, can’t locate, and likely hasn’t read since Sunday school (if that story’s even true).
Most Christians are even less informed. The average American cultural Christian mutt has no idea what the verse actually says and simply parrots whatever their jewish slave masters tell them, rather than, say, opening the book and reading it themselves.
Meanwhile, Jews blatantly distort their own scriptures, claiming that the biblical blessing was given unconditionally to the modern state of Israel. But that’s not what the Old Testament says at all.
In reality, the Bible instructs believers to bless the descendants of Abraham a broad and undefined lineage that includes many nations and peoples, not just the Israelites.
And that blessing is conditional, it’s tied to those who remain faithful to God's covenant, meaning monotheism, righteousness, and moral conduct etc. (this ironically excludes many descendants of abraham) Yet no modern Christian blesses Abraham and his broader lineage. Not even in passing.
Ironically, it’s Muslims -of all people- who actually send daily blessings to both Abraham and Muhammad, and to their respective families, in their five daily prayers, even though that specific passage from Genesis isn’t in the Qur’an..
This consistent practice reflects a recognition of Abraham’s spiritual legacy and implicitly passing the torch to Muhammad and his nation as being the new chosen people (even though blessings are sent to both)

In other words, Muslims honor the biblical covenant more faithfully than those who claim exclusive ownership of it.

mmm, honestly I can give them a pass for being filled with righteous fervor. They're simple people

>>17804279 (OP)
Politicians defend israel because they get millions from the jewish lobby, i doubt they are as gullible and stupid as an average indoctrinated christcattle

>>17804294
Tucker is literally "I don't like bush bowtie wearing CNN anchor". He's self aware but he's kind of like a Labrador in intelligence.

Cruz 100% is owned by the israel lobby however, which is probably why tucker put him on blast

>>17804279 (OP)
>In other words, Muslims honor the biblical covenant more faithfully than those who claim exclusive ownership of it.
nigga, what? You don't even believe Jesus was killed.

>>17804296
Also tucker being retarded is probably why he didn't make it into the CIA

>>17804297
I believe this illusion was meant to test people's faith in one god
Some succeeded like the Ebionites. Most failed like the followers of the false apostle.
This is off topic anyway, find other threads to discuss paul's hijacking of Christianity.

>>17804308
>Paul's hijacking of Christianity
yeah lmfao. Muslim's definitely honor the covenant....
Also the crucifixion is a part of every gospel.
You worship an illiterate pedophile who spread his religion through caravan raids and subjugation.

>>17804296
I think Tucker interviewed him to make Cruz look dumb for not knowing why he supports israel. Tucker is a grifter who appears to be contrarian but when he sees that people are turning against something, like israel, he’ll still try to distance himself like hes currently doing

>>17804319
Yeah the gospel of Anon945419123 written 200 years after the death of Jesus (that was actually copied in parts from the gospel of Anon48945231 written "only 90 years" after jesus' passing)
Let alone the quran, our hadith tradition is way more robust and historical than your NT.
But nvm your offtopic deflections, my statements are clear
>Genesis 12-3 orders people's to bless the proginy/nation of abraham
>muslims send blessing to abraham and his nation and also Muhammad and his nation (muhammad's nation, btw, is a brotherhood in FAITH in one god and has nothing to do with literal genes)
>Christians do not do that, they vaguely know this verse from their jewish slave masters, but they have no idea where it is from or what it means or what it says nor care about it really at all
>therefore in this specific instance, muslims are more faithful to the biblical covenant than those who claim to follow it.
It's not rocket science cmon. You're making it too obvious with your off topics.

>>17804329
Tucker's had ex state department on his podcast for years now that talk about how the state department sabotaged ex soviet states in the 90's after the soviet collapse who also has knowledge about state department motives in the middle east.

The 1% on /pol/ think you're retarded if you don't know about stuff like greater israel and the real reason for the accusations of hidden nuclear weapons programs

I don't think it's THAT nefarious

>>17804294
I mean yeah Cruz is totally bought by the Israel lobby, but he can't explicitly say that on a live podcast can be? So he needs to scramble to come up with an indoctrination narrative

>>17804336
>our hadith tradition is way more robust and historical than your NT.
doesn't make it any less fake

>>17804349
It's not that nefarious. I listen to conservative radio unironically which has zionists like Mark Levin who is pretty much the main sponsor of Ted Cruz. Mark Levin might be a jew and a zionist and a bit mentally retarded but he's not evil. He's an old Reagan staffer

>>17804336
Not an Abrahamic, but a mudslime pedo making shit up in the Arabian desert 600 years after Jesus's death is more trustworthy than somebody writing in Roman Palestine within a century of Jesus's death - how exactly? Because other pedophiles and abusers "faithfully" reproduced his bullshit narrative?

You're starting from a ridiculous belief, which is why the only way Muslims can respond to people laughing at their joke of a faith is to screech and threaten beheading

>>17804349
He did admit that he receives money from the jewish lobby, even though not in a straightforward way

>>17804297
Why are modern Christcucks so dumb? Docetism was a widespread belief even before Islam, dumbass. Even some Gnostic Christians promoted it.

>>17804336
>gospel of Anon945419123 written 200 years after the death of Jesus
all scholars agree 1 Corinthians 15 being written only a couple years after Christ's death at the latest, some even saying a few weeks, and its written as if it has been preached for a while.
Anonymous gospels has been refuted multiple times, you can't prove the negative of forgery without the originals, and every manuscript in history has attributed names and authors correctly and consistently.

>our hadith tradition is way more robust and historical than your NT.
How do you genuinely believe this? Your Muhaddith have been caught gaslighting and lying to populations for centuries. You have the internet you can literally just do the research yourself.

>Muslims honor the covenant because they send blessings or something
Its astonishing watching Muslims try to argue theology without having any actual idea as to how promises, pacts, and commands work between God and his people.

>>17804363
>Docetism was popular therefore not fake and gay
Most intelligent Muslim

>>17804364
>our hadith tradition is way more robust and historical than your NT.
We have many books, one of them called "Ilmu el rijal" dedicated to not only narrators of hadith but every single node in the chain of narration studying the quality of their character, how reliable they are.
While you guys have no idea who luke or mathew is
>but mathiew was le apostle!!!!
can't be since he copied from mark or whatever, but doesnt matter anyway we have no idea who both of these figures are historically.
>... try to argue theology without having any actual idea as to how promises, pacts, and commands work between God and his people.
You don't have to justify yourself to me
go say that to god when he will ask you why you didn't follow his commands while having explicit scriptures telling you what to do.

>>17804381
Is it properly Muslim to have a train run on you? If Muhammad really is the best of humanity and a figure to be emulated...
https://sunnah2.com/262

>>17804388
off topic again, you simply cannot cope with this

>Genesis 12-3 orders people's to bless the proginy/nation of abraham
>muslims send blessing to abraham and his nation and also Muhammad and his nation (muhammad's nation, btw, is a brotherhood in FAITH in one god and has nothing to do with literal genes)
>Christians do not do that, they vaguely know this verse from their jewish slave masters, but they have no idea where it is from or what it means or what it says nor care about it really at all
>therefore in this specific instance, muslims are more faithful to the biblical covenant than those who claim to follow it.

It's extremely funny seeing you try jewing yourself out of this one

>posting hadith with a sound chain of transmission is off topic if I don't like it
So can hadith with sound chains of transmission be picked based on your personal preference? Or is the system of "verification" actually not as bulletproof as you claim? I'm not the anon you responded to with that greentext, you can squirm all you want

>>17804381
>He thinks the Hadith is canon.
this is not going to go well for you, anon.
Your prophet was gangraped by niggers in the desert, according to Hadith.

>He thinks the pre-Nicene church fathers and early epistles just don't exist.
The first 3 popes we're at Pentecost, and we have physical evidence for all of them. Clement even left us an epistle.

You poor, confused sheep being led by false shepherds, I'll pray to Jesus for you.

>>17804401
Some ahadith are weaker than others. Simply the fact that we have this data and the quality of the character of many nodes in the chains of narration is way more than enough to prove that HADITH is more reliable than your nt, that was complied at random in nicea some like 3 centuries after jesus' death.

And indeed it is not the topic of this thread.
The topic of this thread is this, tldr:
>Genesis 12-3 orders people's to bless the proginy/nation of abraham
>muslims send blessing to abraham and his nation and also Muhammad and his nation (muhammad's nation, btw, is a brotherhood in FAITH in one god and has nothing to do with literal genes)
>Christians do not do that, they vaguely know this verse from their jewish slave masters, but they have no idea where it is from or what it means or what it says nor care about it really at all
>therefore in this specific instance, muslims are more faithful to the biblical covenant than those who claim to follow it.

>>17804279 (OP)
Tucker knows where the verse was found he points out it is in genesis

>muzzie presents gotcha to Christians
>Christians respond with deep theological implications regarding the character of Muhammad
>muzzie: "LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU! OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC!"

>>17804420
>Genesis 12-3 orders people's to bless the proginy/nation of abraham
>muslims send blessing to abraham and his nation and also Muhammad and his nation (muhammad's nation, btw, is a brotherhood in FAITH in one god and has nothing to do with literal genes)
>Christians do not do that, they vaguely know this verse from their jewish slave masters, but they have no idea where it is from or what it means or what it says nor care about it really at all
>therefore in this specific instance, muslims are more faithful to the biblical covenant than those who claim to follow it.
I will keep posting this since I know how much this makes you seethe. You won't jew yourself outta this one

>>17804279 (OP)
>Meanwhile, Jews blatantly distort their own scriptures
Nope. You've been subverted as well. People who claim to be Jews today are not even connected to the ancient Jews mentioned in the Bible.

It's not even their scriptures. The people who claim to be Jews today are a group of impostors based entirely on gnosticism.

>In other words, Muslims honor the biblical covenant more faithfully
No they don't, they worship a satanic entity along with those who claim to be Jews.

Mohammad was a dirty, filthy lying ingrate who is burning in hell right now this very second as we speak.

>>17804299
Given that authorities have made it their mission to make everyone retarded and malleable for the purposes of the status quo, that statement seems counter intuitive. Nevermind alphabet boys apathetically destroying lives and churning people like cattle through the penal system if not outright killing them. We claim to differentiate ourselves from other nations yet I find there is little difference beyond the first or otherwise intended impressions, but often means to an end either way, and when things go awry? Accountability becomes a plague for officials as much as they preach it.

>>17804279 (OP)
>expecting Christians to understand their book
>expecting Christians to even read their book
You have to lower your expectations with Christians. They don't even realize that they don't follow Jesus, but actually follow Paul, even though what Paul says will directly contradict what Yhwh and Jesus said.
They just make up whatever they want their book to say, because they don't actually read it, and don't expect you to have read it either.

>>17804381
>hadiths
Like the one where Aysha points out that she was raped by Muhammad, when she was 9 years old, and was married to him at age 6.
Great books you have there.
>it's not canon
You still have divorce laws in the Quran, for pre-puberty girls. Your religion is founded on raping children.

>>17804279 (OP)
Stop deceiving yourself by thinking if only the other side had more knowledge then they would change. You think they dont know about all the dead kids and a starving population? They know. They dont care. What we are dealing with is evil. They're not ignorant they're evil

>>17805365
the cia wants desk jockies, psychopaths, or spies, they don't need whimsical labradors

THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL, NOT THE BODY POLITIC OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL; HERETICS CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS, BECAUSE THEY ARE IDEOLOGICALLY STUPEFIED.

>>17805392
Thomas aquinas and many others of your church fathers did not have any issues regarding child marriage within the roman empire
I guess your own church fathers are wrong and pedos too???

>>17805495
The verse does not even mention israel
Go read your own bible lmao

>>17805526
See Galatians 3:16 through verse 29 in the KJV. The promises are to Christ, and through Him to his church only.

>>17805526


MAYBE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO READ THE HOLY BIBLE; THE REAL ONE, NOT A MUTILATED PROTESTANTISTIC ONE.

>>17804279 (OP)
Only a total and complete true-blue retard would think a verse from The Bible has any relevancy when discussing the 80 year old current Netanyahu run Israeli government. We're really through the fucking looking glass now.

>>17805532
Let me ask you this: if you believe Jesus is God, then wasn’t it Jesus who spoke the words of the Old Testament, including Genesis 12:3?

On what grounds, then, do you allow Paul ( a man whose authority was disputed even by other apostles ) to override the direct speech of God? Do you follow the words of Christ, or have you made Paul your final authority?

>>17804297
Muslim here, this means Allah killed Jesus and not his crucifiers, they believed they did but it was all in God's plan. That's what I think.

>>17804388
What the FUCK is this? It's genuinely terrifying.

> it’s Muslims -of all people- who actually send daily blessings to both Abraham and Muhammad, and to their respective families, in their five daily prayers, even though that specific passage from Genesis isn’t in the Qur’an.
I'm agnostic but I'm genuinly curious about this.
That even true?

>>17805548
>Let me ask you this: if you believe Jesus is God, then wasn’t it Jesus who spoke the words of the Old Testament, including Genesis 12:3?
Genesis 12:3 is God's inspired word, and Jesus is God.

>On what grounds, then, do you allow Paul ( a man whose authority was disputed even by other apostles ) to override the direct speech of God?
I don't think he does. The book of Genesis always indicated that there would be a single seed who would inherit all the promises.

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
- Genesis 3:15

"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
- Genesis 22:17

I did not come up with those verses, it comes from the Bible.

>Do you follow the words of Christ, or have you made Paul your final authority?
The apostles were divinely inspired to give us the New Testament. See the words of Jesus Christ in the Gospel of John.

"I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world."
- John 17:14-18

>>17804279 (OP)
>the Bible instructs believers to bless the descendants of Abraham a broad and undefined lineage that includes many nations and peoples
Only the people that worship the abrahamic god and have only the prophets of the old testament and practice such Jewish traditions like newborn genital mutilation and don't accept prophets outside the old testament like Jesus and Mohammed.
It's clear that the jews of today are the jews of the Bible, no amount of retardtion will change this. No Christian identity nor black Hebrew iseaelitism.

>>17805548
Where does Paul override the direct speech of God? I'll wait.

>>17806700
Noah is abraham's grand father. So it's not just the jews

>>17804279 (OP)
Pauls says the sons of Abraham are the baptized believers.
Peter says the Christians are the chosen people.
They just need to read the bible.

>>17804279 (OP)
>Two subverted kike slaves arguing over who's the better kike slave

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