RETVRN TO MÖNGKE

Georgia won.

>>17806633
Best U.S. state

>>17806681
goddamn right.

>>17806335 (OP)
Kill more pajeet

>>17806633
Georgia was one of the Mongols' most loyal tributaries, they even sent troops to the siege of Baghdad on Hulegu's orders

Horse blood and goat milk

>>17806335 (OP)
how did the mongols conquer russia and the middle east decades before they conquered china which was right next to them?

>>17810567
Arabs have always been bad at war when not Zerg rushing tribals and petty kingdoms

>>17810567
Russia only likes to kill Europeans, but they become sissies when the invasion comes from the east.

>>17810567
Your asking how the Mongols defeated middle powers faster than the two most powerful, and populous states in the world.

>>17810567
They didnt retarded historylet
>>17810572
They mostly faced the half dead abbasid caliphate around bagdad as arabs
Rest where persians or turks
Also no retard arabs were great during 600-900s and were in numerical inferiority

>>17810653
They were great at beating two empires who had just finished exhausting each other. Yes the conquests were impressive. But they didn't fight Rome or Persia in a healthy state.

>>17810567
>russia and the middle east
those things happened decades apart
Russia was conquered 20 years before China and the Middle East by an old Subutai in the reign of Ogodei
unlike the Caliphate and the Song the Eastern Europeans were politically divided and incapable of deploying the much larger armies the Chinese and Middle Easterners could

the push into Europe was more about internal politics than anything, picking an easy target and kicking court rivals of Ogodei to somewhere very far away from Karakorum
Subutai fucking hated Ogodei because he rightfully saw him as a retarded drunkard pissing away his father's wealth, Ogodei also wanted to kick out Juchi's lineage which he considered illegitimate bastards despite Genghis Khan publicly forcing everyone to acknowledge Jochi as his legitimate son, he also sent along some of the more troublesome princes

by contrast the Middle Eastern and Song China expeditions were launched 20 years later during the reign of Mongke, the Song held out longer for a variety of reasons
>Song had a larger population
>Song had better natural defenses(Yangtze River to the north, Mountains to the west)
>the Mongols were divided trying to push it both directions at once
>Mongols had local support in the Middle East, local Christians and polities like Armenian, Georgia and the Crusader States helped them
>the Caliph Al-Musta'sim was fucking delusional and thought the entire Muslim world and Muslim Mongols would rise up to support him for reasons
>Kublai just wasn't as good a general as Hulegu

the Mongols under Mongke just wanted to brute force China into submission, it was under Kublai after they set up the Yuan Dynasty(he retroactively gave his family from Yesugei onwards Chinese imperial names) and claimed to have the mandate of Heaven all along that he started making some real headway into eroding the Song's powerbase. By making his rule palatable to the Chinese this seriously harmed Song legitimacy and let to their collapse.

>>17810567
they didn't, russia was only created in XVI century when muscovite khagan crowned himself ceasar of all ruthernia
as a matter of fact it was mongols who created muscovy (later renamed to russia) as a state and muscovites (later renamed to russians) as a people

>>17810657
And the arabs were constantly fighting each others too so thats a cope
Also their conquests werent just the ERE and the Sassanids

>>17811029
The Mongols captured Kiev in 1241. They weren't running into nothing.

>>17811693
that's ruthenia not russia