Thread 17806713

I once said the following to a Protestant:

"Why do you support Israel? Judaism calls Jesus a fraud, while Islam at least acknowledges him as a prophet."

He replied:

"The Jews, while they rejected the New Testament, are still living according to the Old Testament. So we can’t say for certain whether they’ll go to hell. But Muslims are idolaters, and according to the Bible, idolaters are clearly destined for hell. The same goes for Catholics."

So I asked, “Then did the Europeans who used to believe in Catholicism in the past all go to hell too?”
He said yes.

At the time, I didn’t have much religious knowledge, so the conversation ended there. But now that I think about it, I’m genuinely curious — do other Protestants think this way too?

>>17806713 (OP)
you spoke with a heretic, as it is clearly stated in both new and old testaments that judgment is reserved for God and Him alone

>>17806713 (OP)
No, the Jews are absolutely not living according to the Old Testament. If they believed Moses, they would believe Jesus. They need the gospel.

>>17806713 (OP)
>The Jews, while they rejected the New Testament, are still living according to the Old Testament.
No they're not. If they were, they'd still have the Temple in Jerusalem and they would still live in their tribal caste system (where priests could only exclusively be levites, hence why the book of the laws specifically destined to priests was called Leviticus, as an example)

>>17806713 (OP)
>So I asked, “Then did the Europeans who used to believe in Catholicism in the past all go to hell too?”
>He said yes.
kek based

>>17806720
He did say something along those lines, but he still insisted that Muslims and Catholics would go to hell, saying it's clearly stated in the Bible

>>17806724
>>17806734
On second thought, I think I may have misinterpreted what he said. I believe he was saying that at least the Jews hadn't committed the kinds of sins mentioned in the Bible

>>17806750
The Jews are not god's chosen people anymore, the chosen ones are anyone that follows Jesus' teachings

>>17806713 (OP)
>while Islam at least acknowledges him as a prophet
Only in order to completely shit on his teachings.

>>17806713 (OP)
>still living according to the Old Testament
lmao is that what the talmud is?

>>17806758
>I believe he was saying that at least the Jews hadn't committed the kinds of sins mentioned in the Bible
exCUSE ME?
WHAT FUCKING BIBLE DID YOUR FUCKING RETARD OF A PROTESTANT ACQUAINTANCE READ EXACTLY?
EACH AND EVERY SINS CALLED OUT BY JESUS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THE ISRAELITES COMITTED IN THE OT, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
ADULTERY, IDOLATRY, FALSE WITNESS, MURDER, TESTING THE LORD, ALL THE SHEBANGS, THEY FUCKING DID SO. IT'S RECORDED!
THE ENTIRE OT IS THE EJWS GOING BACK ON THE TENETS OF THE WORSHIP OF THE LORD AND BEING PUNISHED FOR IT. EGYPTIAN SLAVERY? THEY SINNED. 40 YEARS IN THE DESERT? THEY SINNED. PHILISTINES BEATING THEIR ASSES? THEY SINNED. BABYLON KICKING THEIR TEETH IN AND TORCHING ZION? YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEY SINNED.
TELL YOUR PROTESTANT TO READ HIS FUCKING OT AGAIN BEFORE HE MAKES SUCH AN ASININE STATEMENT. EVEN BETTER' SINCE HE SEEMS PEA-BRAINED, TELL HIM TO READ MALACHI AND ASK HIM WHO'S THE JUDAH MALACHI KEEPS CALLING A PROSTITUTE.

>>17806823
When I said 'Jews,' I wasn't referring to all Jews as an ethnic group, but specifically to those who believe in modern Judaism and actively follow its teachings.

Did I say it in a strange or unclear way? I thought it was obvious from the context

Is Israel being a good steward for Jesus, with it's resources/money?

It's really that simple.

>>17806713 (OP)
I am from the southeast US and I can confirm that a majority of Protestants think this way. They don’t even consider Catholics to be Christian

>>17806713 (OP)
>And then everyone stood up and clapped

>>17806855
>When I said 'Jews,' I wasn't referring to all Jews as an ethnic group, but specifically to those who believe in modern Judaism and actively follow its teachings.
You do realize that those "modern" Jews claim spiritual and quite literal descent from the lineage of Jacob, right? According to THEMSELVES, it's quite literally the same people.
So yeah, Jews HAVE comitted the sins of the OT, since they claim to literally BE the Jews of the OT - despite not practicing the same rituals and practice as the Hebrews did under the First Temple.

>>17806879
I'm not very knowledgeable about Judaism, but as far as I understand, it's not a religion that teaches someone will go to hell just because another Jew, different from them, committed a sin.

When I say 'Jews,' I'm not referring to all Jews—past, present, or future—as an ethnic group of collective sinners. I'm specifically referring to a theoretical category of Jews who actively and properly practice Judaism."