>gotta get the nike logo in frame bro!
its all so tiresome

>kneecap
fags

Anyway, nothing mind-bogglingly significant but the links were there. Criticism of Israel at most levels of Irish society was very widespread for most of the 20th Century, and they were one of the last European nations to decide to finally """recognise""" Israel and establish relations. This is partly due to the many historic links between British policy in Ireland and the events leading up to the establishment of Israel, many of which involved political or military leaders who either worked in Ireland before or who alluded to using their strategies in Ireland over in the Middle East.

This escalated when the Troubles began, with the Provisional IRA in particular (Officials were more interested in working with continental or Asian communists) establishing links with the PLO. In some cases this was Sinn Féin (IRA's political wing) working a propaganda angle, and in other cases it was quite sincere. British intelligence screeched constantly about how the IRA were training Palestinian militants in the use of bombs, and this is something the Provos did elsewhere (like with the ETA). Others, though, suggest it was the opposite; the IRA heading over there to try recieve gear and experience from veteran Palestinian militants.

Both the PLO and the PLFP had contact with the Provisional IRA through the 70s. As the relationship between the Irish establishment and Palesstine strengthened in the 80s and 90s this slowed down a bit, and if I'm correct they never managed to actually smuggle any weapons to the IRA.

Israel will of course claim that the IRA are an anti-semite group who single-handedly murdered 50 gorillion IDF

>>17808459
Why does Leila Khaled have a mural in Belfast?

>>17806816 (OP)
Yeah they're both historically faggots lol

>>17808477
That's in West Belfast off the Falls Road, which has so much rebel graffiti that there's an incredibly lucrative tourism industry built around them.

If you go on Google Maps and look for the Falls Road nearby where the Irish Republican History Museum and the Garden of Remembrance (just before the Leisure Centre) you'll see a massive wall covered in murals. Most of them are Republican, but you'll notice some South African/Palestinian ones too. iirc Leila herself was meant to speak at the Féile like 20 years ago but couldn't enter the country so they showed a video of her instead.

She got a lot of support for denouncing a "peace process" between Israel/Palestine like the one in Ireland because in her view it would inevitably mostly benefit Israel, which is how many Irish Republicans feel about the Good Friday Agreemeent; the "got fuck all" sentiment.

>>17808555
>a 2-state solution would see israel cede territories and a new independent state of Palestine
>"it would mostly benefit israel"
Palestinians are addicted to struggle.

>>17808585
It's not that complex an argument. She (and many others) see Israel as a political entity plonked there by hostile foreign governments which was then driven by insane hardline Zionists to do all manner of horrors for decades.

It's similar to Ireland, where Northern Ireland is seen as a political entity plonked there by Britain which was then placed in the hands of insane sectarian lunatics that drove it into the ground until the Troubles erupted.

So for many, they believe step 1 to an actual peace involves removing the teeth from Israel, or else Israel will dictate the "2-state solution" to be massively in their favour.

>>17808599
Was the 1921 treaty also a bad treaty? Because that's the only equivalent to the 2-state solution

>>17808609
Yes, which is why Ireland had a civil war over it.

It was presented to the Dáil Éireann (Ireland's revolutionary parliament) with an open threat that if it wasn't accepted, massive military escalation would begin immediately. Those who supported it were either;
>Conservative/Pro British
Who believed that it was indeed a temporary bandage that could later be worked with to unite the island as planned.
>Worried about said escalation
Those such as Collins, who feared (or were convinced) that Britain were not bluffing and knew that the IRA was running low on weapons.

The vote very narrowly passed (64-57). The IRA almost uninamously rejected it (as did the Irish Citizen Army and Cumann na mBan) and the Civil War followed. The Pro-Treaty Government built up a massive army (consisting of many ex-British troops) and ruthlessly suppressed the IRA following the suspicious deaths of the "middle roaders" on either side who wanted to mend the divide and restore unity.

Meanwhile, all the predictions people made (Pro-Treaty and Anti-Treaty) about Northern Ireland came true.

>>17808493
Hezbollah's cool though

>>17808689
They got anally raped the past year, they're done

>>17808692
They made a videogame
https://youtu.be/mDPrZREGvOY?si=C2PwixjjdHs8Bm-p

>>17806816 (OP)
I really don't understand how "death to the IDF" is inciting violence.
The IDF is an institution, the same way if you said "death to Germany" you would be calling for the end of the German state, not 83 million individual Germans.
"Death to MEMBERS of the IDF" could potentially be inciting violence, but how the fuck are a bunch of middle aged middle class white civillians supposed to commit violence against a military thousands of miles away?

>>17808477
Because Danny Devenney is a cock sucking boomer faggot and thinks he owns the walls around Belfast and puts whatever shite he wants on them that a handful of other likewise faggots appreciate but the vast majority of the population in the area don't give a fuck about. It's a disgrace that clowns like that can go and paint such utter faggotry as they do and not get their hands and fingers broke.

>>17809718
>pro ra
>anti palestine
explain the logic

>>17809729
Most people in Republican/Nationalist areas don't give a fuck about Palestine or Nelson Mandela or whatever other bullshit the likes of Danny Devenney paint. People like him are fucked in the head and nothing but misery and victimhood peddlers. The cunt should be ran out of the place and some people capable of art and creating murals brought in to paint stuff to inspire the local community instead of all that fucking cringe faggotry. Why not murals depicting Irish history, historical figures, inspiring Nationalist quotes, images of Irish heroes (other than Republican specific ones) etc... Down south there's murals too and you'll see ones depicting the old Irish gods and folk scenes, Nationalists, Catholic saints and religious figures etc.. But in Belfast and the bogside in Derry it's Danny Devenney tier faggotry that most the locals have no interest in and serves absolutely no purpose.

>>17809745
If we're being honest most people in NI don't give a shit about politics, they solely care about economics and how they apply to them.
When Brexit happened the percentage of people supporting a United Ireland went from 30% to 50%. Are you telling me they just spawned a million more republicans overnight?
Those concerned with politics, specifically republicans have always supported every "marginalized" global cause, from Palestine to South Africa.

>>17806816 (OP)
IRA and Palestine, best friends forever ;’)

>>17809745
You are jumping the shark a bit. I'd agree that the average person doesn't give a fuck, but the ones in the know are very well aware of how helpful (and lucrative-notice these people do not have day jobs) international solidarity campaigns are.
>Why not murals depicting Irish history
Because history was made in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s too. Before someone blows a gasket, the likes of Brendan Hughes or Joe McCann were to there communities what the likes of the Blacksmith of Ballinalee or Tom Barry were to theirs. The Republic of Ireland's Government and media don't want you to think this, and the Ned Stapleton Cumann embedded within RTÉ worked very hard to ensure that "old IRA good, new IRA bad, new communist IRA pretty good" became the tagline.
>why not non-republican heroes
Because these murals are in Republican areas. But Springhill and Ardoyne have "non Republican" murals, such as the very cool one depicting Lugh or the multiple ones which combine Cú Chulainn with Republican leaders or martyrs-just like in the GPO in Dublin. There's multiple murals depicting the Flight of the Earls, or the Potato Blight, or the Rising in Dublin, or Vikings.
>In the south you see old Irish gods and folk scenes
See above, those are up north too.
>catholic saints
Again, there are those too. Rosary on Berwick is the best known, flanked on either side by other houses depicting the stations of the cross.

So, aye, I don't think teenagers cutting about the Falls Road give much of a fuck who Mandela was. But the huge amounts of money and publiclity that come from maintaining "muh international solidarity movement" makes it extremely obvious why these things stay around, kek.

You're also saying this like there aren't literally plans to turn the GPO into a shopping centre as we speak.

>>17809763
This is also something people forget. The reason you don't really hear much hullabaloo about "polls" is because Shinners and everyone else knows that it'll be schools+pensions+healthcare that wins people over.

Meanwhile in Unionism, it's
>DUP
"Muh Shinners" except they failed to stop them becoming the largest party so now they're directionless. Previous leader a nonce, current one a retard, next one probably reluctant. Nobody cares about them crying about Shinners and the IRA because they spent all of Brexit meeting with the LCC. They've been humiliated time and time again since Brexit and are now back to the default setting; lining their pockets.
>UUP
Trying to be Alliance, and failing. None of their MLAs want to be in the party. Their leader is a retard.
>TUV
LARPing.

United Ireland won't happen though some epic cool Sinn Féin victory, it'll be an SNP-esque situation where Labour+Tories continue to not care about NI and Unionism will bleed to the middle and to the left forever. The fact that Unionists still cry about the Irish Language despite it being the biggest open goal for them to win votes+seats back tells you all you need to know.

>>17809763
>Those concerned with politics, specifically republicans have always supported every "marginalized" global cause, from Palestine to South Africa.

A tiny tiny minority of Republicans. The average Provo never gave a fuck about the shite you say and peddle. You're just highly politicised and possibly autistic. I'm not going by shit I've read in books or heard at some bullshit like a "workshop on queers socialist women on the falls road in the 1970s" type fucking bullshit but by the people I've met and in the places I've been. The average resident of the Bogside, falls road, Strabane or wherever the fuck else does not care about any of that shite or shit like Mandela or Palestine or racism or any of that. Victimhood merchants should be ran out of those places I mentioned. There was some Arab scum in West Belfast who had a shop and had a run in with local Irish youths and their shop was attacked and the next day a dozen fannys like yourself were out crying about it and showing muh solidarity but I'd wage money on the vast majority of the local population not caring and being glad when the Arabs closed up shop and fucked off to England.

>>17809821
As I said in >>17809796, what you're saying isn't news.

No, some random Provo grabbing a gun to put an RUC officer in the dirt isn't thinkin of the besieged people of Gaza. But the leadership-who want to keep momentum and links all over the world with political movements and groups that could be beneficial to them-are.

You are acting like Sinn Féin offices in the 80s and 90s (often run by PIRA lads) weren't welcome Black Militants from the US and chatting with them about the shared struggle. The point is legitimising their campaign and their political ideology by placing it on the world stage alongside others.

It's the most baby-brained first step of trying to build the movement. Every single book written by people who have lead the IRA (including the first Chief of Staff of the IRA) outlines this fact. Youngsters who were in Sinn Féin were given booklets on how to deal with this stuff, how to talk to press if necessary, etc.

I don't think
>young people in 2025 don't really give a fuck
has much relevance here kek

>>17809796
>So, aye, I don't think teenagers cutting about the Falls Road give much of a fuck who Mandela was. But the huge amounts of money and publiclity that come from maintaining "muh international solidarity movement" makes it extremely obvious why these things stay around, kek.
>You're also saying this like there aren't literally plans to turn the GPO into a shopping centre as we speak.

They'd make more money with some decent murals instead of the shite that's on that peace wall

As for the Gpo sure nothing is sacred to the scum of FF FG. The Hill of Allen has been destroyed and some reps of a company that wanted to mine croagh Patrick even met with a government minister but were turned down. If I was that government minister I would have met them just to smack them across the face for even wanting to do that.

>>17809821
You're extremely naive if you think someone motivated enough to join a paramilitary unit against the British state would have no opinion on the Israel-Palestine situation when the British were funding the Israeli settlers extensively with the same arms the British army on their streets were using.
British imperialism was the enemy, Brits funding Israelis is an extension of that.

>>17809843
>They'd make more money with some decent murals
They already do. Like I said, there's an insanely lucrative tourism business. Every mural they make about another international campaign or group or movement that Irish Republicanism has some link to (however faint) is another angle they can work.
>nothing is sacred to the scum of FF FG
I agree. I think Republicans have more reverance for this stuff than most. I would agree that I wish there was more pre-20th Century stuff, but can't really blame them for focusing on the major beats, aka
>1798
>famine
>1916
>IRA
>Troubles
It's what works.

do you remember when they wanted to commeorate the black and tans? that was a very funny week in politics

>>17809842
>The point is legitimising their campaign and their political ideology by placing it on the world stage alongside others.

They had no need of that and you're just leading us down the garden path with more nonsense.

>>17809852
Guaranteed most of them had never even heard of any of that or had any thoughts or opinions about it.

>>17809868
You think nobody in the West knew of apartheid in the 80s?

>>17809855
>Every mural they make about another international campaign or group or movement that Irish Republicanism has some link to (however faint) is another angle they can work.

Anything but that shite for fuck sake. What's painted on them walls should be for locals not fucking tourists and whatever left wing faggots come from England on Ryanair for their photo ops. And sure who's making money out if it too other than the ones that do the tours. Probably worth a tiny amount of money to the local economy. I hope those sort of murals are regularly vandalised. I'd soon tell that ballbag Danny Devenney where to go if I lived in West Belfast if he landed on my doorstep looking to paint my gabel wall.

>>17809858
>They had no need of that
What? It was absolutely essential to them.

The Provisional IRA's campaign can generally be divided into two parts; one where the IRA was the senior partner, and one where Sinn Féin was the senior partner-the latter coming into play in the 80s.

When it was realised that the "victory" in the 70s that some hoped for (and honestly expected) never came, the shift to a longer-term strategy was needed. Political gains were no longer something to come after the Brits were gone, but instead were to be gained over time as the IRA continued their campaign. Only problem is Sinn Féin was still banned-so how do they build a political movement while banned in every jurisdiction they're trying to operate in? By building strong ties overseas with high-profile movements that they had common ground with.

It brought them a fuckload of publicity, which was invaluable to them when they were banned from the airwaves.
>>17809868
You're exaggerating. Members of the IRA aided with terror attacks in South Africa against apartheid. The ANC and the IRA were very familiar with one another.

>>17809880
>What's painted on them walls should be for locals not fucking tourists
Again it's a lofty notion, but the money from tourism gets pumped into the community.

This is why West Belfast has the Féile-which is absolutely titanic every year-while Unionism is still trying (and failing) to make "Orangefest" a thing. As for
>worth a tiny amount of money
If you think this about west belfast taxi tours I dunno what to tell you. Taxis have been bankrolling half of west belfast since the 80s. The business just evolved. If your anger is
>why aren't there just irish nationalist art pieces for irish nationalists, rather than just tourism?
then I'd direct you to the fact that two statues of prominent Irish nationalists now stand in the grounds of Belfast City Hall, despite giga-malding from Unionism. One of them has a gun in her hand. Yes, commodification of it all is shite-but it's not really different in other countries, lad.

>>17809876
You weren't on about that a minute ago but changed the subject because you know I was right. Of course people knew about apartheid hearing about it on the news but can you imagine how many actually cared? The answer is very few.

Posted this many times before and love the qoute. I'd say this man was what the vast majority of Republican paramilitaries were like and Adams and the likes the tiny minority.

>After his death, an IRSP spokesman, Fra Halligan defended McGlinchey's lack of political idealism, pointing out that he "wouldn't have had any problem saying [so] to you".[66] For example, when Adams ideologically linked the republican campaign to the ANC's struggles in South Africa against Apartheid, McGlinchey is claimed to have said that, in rural nationalist areas "they don't know anything about Mandela but they see Brits in their fields and they don't like it"

>>17809896
>You weren't on about that a minute ago but changed the subject because you know I was right.
Incorrect, see my first post, that you replied to.
>republicans have always supported every "marginalized" global cause, from Palestine to South Africa.
Rural nationalist areas didn't give a shit about places thousands of miles away, but the people who cared enough to join movements did. You simply do not join an anti-British paramilitary movement unless you have a fundamental understanding of what it is you oppose.

An IRA fighter would not say. "The British are persecuting us and we must stand againat that persecution. Oh, the Vietnamese? Grand, let the Americans crack on with napalming the fuck out of them, I'm too retarded to see any parallels dere."

>>17809913
McGlinchey was in the movement and a Republican and yet he didn't give a fuck. Most of them would have thought Adams are rare cunt for coming out with that sort of shit but he was never in the IRA according to himself so wasn't a fighter but some internationalist faggot and not a Nationalist like the majority of Republicans. You know I'm right and there's no call for any long winded text you copy and pasted from a book or whatever the fuck. I'd say most Republicans and IRA men would have been pretty racist too like working class men all around the western world and white nations at the time. If you think the average IRA man was crying into his fish supper over a bunch of bantu niggers in south Africa then you're delusional. Adams always fancied himself as some sort of international statesman and political figure and that's why he was always a cuck and self serving.

>>17809970
NTA (I'm this anon >>17809892) but I would say you're only half right.

As you say (and as I agreed here >>17809842) no, most of these lads weren't clued into whatever internationalist causes the wider Republican movement was part of. I don't really think that matters much, though. Political leadership of the movement and rank-and-file gunners are very different and arguably very distant parts of it. Some of the men and women in the IRA did indeed attend the talks and clubs that discussed politics which of course had a huge international element.

A random fella in South Armagh might not have given a fuck about South Africa or known much, but An Phoblacht would regularly print news of apartheid and celebrate any blows against it. So I think anyone who insists that every Provo was some sort of internationalist uni-student esque mega activist is incorrect, but I also think the idea that these lads generally didn't give a fuck is also silly. It was a decidedly left-wing movement and one which was dominated by left-wing sentiments, and the guys they were fighting were the opposite.

It also ignores the fact that independent of what SF were doing, there were sympathetic movements all over the world. France, Belgium, Germany all had newspapers or magazines that supported Irish Republicanism from the left-Feies Irland, Solidarite Ireland, Irlande Libre, Ireland en Lutte, etc.

So, aye. Not all of them would have been clued in, but the idea that the only ones who gave a fuck were Adams and his self-fellating chums isn't right either.

>>17810014
>but I also think the idea that these lads generally didn't give a fuck is also silly. It was a decidedly left-wing movement and one which was dominated by left-wing sentiments, and the guys they were fighting were the opposite.

That's you projecting. Most of them you couldn't label left wing because they didn't care about political ideologies as much as they wanted to hit back at the Brits and Loyalists. I'd say they were free thinkers and probably more like the likes of me than you. I wonder what people who were involved in the Provos think about Cancer Féin and their plans to make Newry a "sanctuary city". There was a 1000 Nationalists at a protest there a week or so ago and read that there was a few ex Provos and Republicans among the crowd. Was that what they fought for anon? Sinn féin would turn the whole of a United Ireland into some sort of faggoty sanctuary city is they could. Nu-Sinn féin is full of smiley brained retards with little connection to Republicanism and the Provos and are just a bunch of the most diabolical cuckolds. Weak pathetic people and people who wallow in victimhood make terrible politicians and leaders. I'm utterly disgusted by them and it all.

>>17810097
>That's you projecting
How? I laid out my reasoning quite clearly.
>Most of them you couldn't label left wing because they didn't care about political ideologies
What do you base this on?

I know the McGlinchey quote, I have seen it posted before. There are lots of quotes from Republicans at all levels that say all sorts.

I think you just don't like Sinn Féin (can't blame you) and thus are trying to retroactively claim that the IRA were somehow a far cry from any and all of the broadly left wing/progressive politics they espouse today. Yes, Sinn Féin are a different party in the 2010s and 2020s than they were in the 1960s and 1970s. The main issues Republicans have with Sinn Féin is their abandonment of abstention and their slow march to the political centre, not that they pin their flag to whatever populist shite wins them votes.
>Nu-Sinn Féin has no links to Republicanism and the Provos
That's not really true at all, since most if not all prominent Provos remained involved with them either to this day or until their death. The prominent ones who aren't are all almost exclusively in groups or movements that are even further left than the Shinners claim to be.

Sorry anon, I just don't buy it. I think you hate Sinn Féin (I do too) and are allowing that to fuel your own warped image of who and what the Provos were. It is simply ludicrous to suggest that there wasn't widespread interest in international issues within the Republican movement. I would agree that this was more the case in cities than the countryside-but I think you're getting a bit carried away. I hate the Shinners too, but whatever you've convinced yourself to be the case is a far cry from the reality of the movement in the 60s-90s.

>>17810014
What are your thoughts on this? No doubt it'll be a bunch of the precious ragheads from Gaza that'll be dumped there and the plan comes from the Brits through mi5 to SF. If that were to happen our own people will suffer because even though those people in gaza are suffering and evil is being done to them they're not good people because they're Arabs and Muslim. They're very crafty at deceiving smiley brained liberal retards from Ireland too. All they need to do is post a photo of some kids holding an Irish flag or a hurl and the liberal and left wing retards easily fall for it and fall over themselves licking their holes. Left wing liberal retards are detrimental to Irish society and so are the neo liberal vermin that the likes of you label right wing. The only good and positive political force in Ireland is Nationalism.

>>17809577
I think it's kind of shallow. BobVylan isn't wrong, if you want to take out Israel, you do need to get the IDF out of the way. I'm pretty sure the IDF has gone up against worse than some rap group from England though. Those guys aren't the first and they won't be the last to think "death to the IDF." So who cares. If the Bongs want to have guys like that running around, that's their problem.

What was more interesting to me is that before he led a chant about it, he talked about his Jewish producer who got him started, but he didn't say Jewish, he said Zionist, and then he started cursing him, and that we have these "Zionists" in our lives. There's something frustrating that man who owes his musical career to some Jew in England. I don't know who that guy is, but Zionist, really? Not that he started this guy's career but that he's a Zionist.

>>17806816 (OP)
That group kneecap are extremely cringe and hated south of the border. There was an Irish soldier killed by Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2022 and that sad bastard middle aged ugly cunt i the balaclava insulted Private Sean Rooney's family with that photo. He was told by hundreds on twitter and didn't even take the image down. Absolute ball bags the three of them and the one with the large mouth has a very punchable face. Mouthy wee fucker is a massive dose of shite.

>>17808085
No one said Irish nationalism/republicanism and flexing on the povvos were mutually exclusionary

>>17810151
cry more

>>17810134
https://youtu.be/7ElbLgEbmbY?feature=shared&t=28
>black guy made into famous rapper by singing anti-white songs is funded by je- zionists
I hate living in /pol/ memes come to life.

>>17810395
You should hang yourself.

>>17810151
never listened to a kneecap song, is it really just school level irish used to describe gay druggy stuff or what

>>17811139
>>17811139
>is it really just school level irish used to describe gay druggy stuff or what

That's exactly what it is. They're cringe as fuck and have no talent. Radio stations in the South don't play their music. I don't think I've even heard their songs but I watch the cringe movie about them and there was a song in it that was shite. I'm anti drugs and that's another reason I hate them and I've dabbled myself but see chatting about or promoting drug use as cringe and gay. They're not a good influence those faggots. If they didn't get so much publicity for their controversies then they'd fade back into obscurity.

>>17811139
I don't know if you are from Ireland and understand the language but on that meme is I posted it says..

I like snow (cocaine)
I sniff a bag up my nose
It is deadly (deadly slang for good in Ireland)
I hate racist gobshites
But I love cum
And black people

The meme is taking a piss at their poor Irish language skills, drug use promotion and cringe faggotry and love of turd worlders.

>>17806816 (OP)
Probably. They share a lot in common. Both are non white, both are niggers and both lost.

>>17808692
They got a bloody nose but really what lost them the war was the IDFs tried and true tactics of mass bombing civilian areas.

Hezbollah agreed to a ceasefire not becuase it was low on men or equipment, but because Israel was destroying so much of Lebanon the ever fragile Lebanese society would have imploded into a new civil war.

It was cold and cruel but very effective. No other nation can bomb civilians as a tactic without punishment. See russia-ukr civilian deaths for example, very low. Yet we hear about every single apartment in Kiev that gets struck.

>>17811243
OK shlomo

>>17810151
lots of people in Ireland actually hate them but nobody wants to say anything because they don't wanna be on the same side of the fence as israel kek

>>17812065
Literally no one in Britain proper knows about them or cares about them. I'm sure they're seething in Northern Ireland, but again no one in Britain knows or cares about them either.

I think Northern Ireland loyalists have to be one of the saddest groups of people in history. They're a relic of a process that happened 300 years ago and their "kith and kin" who they're so proud to be the same as literally could not give a single shit about them. The last time anyone in Britain even heard of them was when the border with the EU was being discussed during brexit. Before that it was 1997.

Northern Ireland could be signed over to the republic tomorrow and it'd get less coverage than Starmer cutting the winter fuel allowance for pensioners did.

>>17812110
Well that's just not true, since they sold out gigs all over the UK as far back as 2020 kek

Their main focus is obviously Ireland/Northern Ireland but they made waves among conservative-minded British politicians and people have been screeching to ban them since. I would agree with you that most people in Britain think of Northern Ireland maybe a few times a year, but Kneecap got a lot of traffic.
>Northern Ireland loyalists have to be one of the saddest groups of people in history
I agree, but only regarding the specific ideology of Loyalism with its roots in the early 1900s. They essentially blew up Irish politics out of spite and then stumbled from failure to failure since.

Ulster Protestants have an incredibly rich history in Ireland-even ignoring the "pro-British" guys there's Grattan and the Patriot Parliament, the Volunteers in the 18th Century, the United Irishmen, all that stuff.

But yeah, all they have left is pretending that they constantly bully Irish Catholics despite the fact that basically anything good that happens in NI now happens in Nationalist areas because they have competent politicians, whilst Unionists are just crying about shinners 24/7.

I don't think there's been any actual attempt to improve the lot of working class Loyalists in my lifetime. It's all just "vote for us, or the Catholics will get you!!!"

>>17812122
>Well that's just not true, since they sold out gigs all over the UK as far back as 2020 kek
And? That doesn't mean they're popular. No-name stand up comedians sell out gigs, means nothing. People want a night out.

>>17812122
>Well that's just not true, since they sold out gigs all over the UK as far back as 2020 kek

They're just stage Irish monkeys playing for middle class left wing English wankers. They are utterly cringe and make most Irish people cringe too. Lot of people are fucking fed up about hearing about the troubles and larping gimps like kneecap who weren't even alive during it all. Them saying shit about Maggie Thatcher and all is fucking cringe too and has been done to death. Kneecap embarrass us all.

>>17812130
aye but to say nobody knows about them is a bit much. multiple politicians seethed about them for years and there have been multiple political scandals as a result. best known is probably when they had their arts funding withdrawn because what they said was offensive, so they sued the govt, they got it back, and then donated half of it to working class catholic area and half of it to a working class protestant area kek

don't get me wrong, I think they're fags (one of them is genuinely a middle class spoofer) but there have been some funny occurances as a result of their antics

>>17812130
>>17812134
I should clarify I am this poster >>17808459

I think they're fags. I like seeing FF/FG and the Tories/Labour get rattled about them but beyond that I see them as wind up merchants making fuckloads of money from left-wing brits and free staters who get insecure about not being very republican

>>17812136
>one of them is genuinely a middle class spoofer

Which one? I heard the fella in the balaclava was a teacher from Derry or something and just met them at a party or something and started running about with them.

>>17812142
>and free staters who get insecure about not being very republican

Lol. Why would anyone be a Republican? If you were some Rá héad you'd get a hand taken of you in the south and even in parts of the North too. I know plenty from Derry and such places that cringe at Republicans and take the piss.

>>17812136
>multiple politicians seethed about them for years and there have been multiple political scandals as a result.
Yeah, because they started criticizing Israel. Nobody had heard of them before then and there was no controversy before then.
Nobody in Britain has given a fuck about Norn Iron this millennium.

>>17812143
Liam Óg
>>17812156
I think it's less about "being a Republican" and more about people realising that trying to be a cool "heh, I love Ireland. I am an irish patriot" is very silly when 6 counties of it are still in the UK and the Irish government is full of westbrits.

The term "barstool republican" exists up here for boring cunts that sit and moan and groan about things with no real intention of doing anything. But there's been an uptick in the number of people thinking it's sort of weird that the way Ireland is now is still the status quo.

I would call myself an Irish Republican, but you'd never catch me saying something as retarded as
>voting in stormont is LITERAAALLLLY british imperialism
>you should be KILLING THE BRITS instead!!!
>(doesn't kill the brits)
those fags are the laughing stock of everyone up here.

>>17812167
A lot of Republicans are a laughing stock too. At marches and parades yous march like down syndromes. Blame the Brits for everything. Have a massive chip on their shoulders towards le "free starters". It's mainly you Belfast ones too that have the huge chip on your shoulders. Tyrone, Derry South Armagh folk etc aren't like that. People from border areas in NI are mostly Catholic and have more contact with people from the south on a daily basis but Belfast ones are massively out of touch with the rest of us. There was some doses of shite from Belfast in my local shop last week and one young lad a bit drunk or coked out of it and was loud and annoying and you could tell people in the que were feeling dosed by his presence and annoying accent. They were acting like they were in a foreign country and everything was strange and making a big deal about Euros and sterling and acting like they'd never seen a euro in their lives. We use sterling in the south in the border areas too so was no need for it all.

>>17812167
>>17812189
Irish Nigs are too retarded to live in a united island britGODS should have enforced all 32 counties as 32 seperate countries to stop the terror bombing baby killing cannibal retards who cripple eachother over religious autism

How do you stop the beige underclass in one nation realizing they're the same as the beige underclass in another nation?

>>17812189
I don't really blame them for having a "chip on their shoulders." It seems like nothing, but remember that Irish people up here have one half of the government constantly trying to fuck over any and all expression of Irishness.

Yes, what you described is cringeworthy. But when Dubs get all patronising and dismissive about the north, I genuinely think they're just angry at the idea that they've been made to feel stupid about something. The Troubles was a low intensity conflict-but it was only really wrapping up in the 2000s. The UDA+UVF haven't gone anywhere, they still have huge sway over politics. Being Irish in NI is treated like some benevolent gift from Britain, as opposed to a matter-of-fact in the rest of it.

I think if, for example, thousands of Dubliners of people from Limerick or even insufferable fags from Cork had been rounded up in the 70s and thrown in jail for nothing, their kids or grandkids would obviously be miffed if some self-righteous dose dismissed and said
>ah, you just have a chip on your shoulder!!!
There are insufferable fags all over the island. But I think some people have gotten so wound up at the idea that they have had (or still have) a retarded perception of NI and the realities of how horrendous partition has been that they think people are just pissed over nothing.

If you try to revere the likes of Brendan Hughes or Joe McCann you will be lambasted and will have very powerful people try fuck you over-but cross the border and declare love of Breen or Barry, and it's all grand. FF/FG politicians come up here and treat us like we're thick as pigshit in our """"""deeply divided society""""""" then bumlick Unionists to show how forward-thinking they are.

tl;dr - I think the "chip on the shoulder" is completely justifiable but also overstated. Most don't give a fuck, but very obviously if you have a dismissive attitude toward the reality of how things work up here, people will assume you're a poncey D4 Fine Gael ballbag.

>>17811294
This. Hezbollah and the Iranians were clever. It's a kind of Leninist dual-power or IRA thing where you have this party and paramilitary force that isn't the state but effectively is in areas under their control. The state itself is weak and can't stop them. Hezbollah territory in parts of Beirut and southern Lebanon is like walking into Iran and there are portraits of Nasrallah and the Ayatollah everywhere, and anybody who isn't from there is under observation all the time.

But that's also a weakness, because they didn't want to commit all the way to helping out Hamas because the rest of Lebanese society wasn't on board with that. They couldn't stop Hezbollah from firing rockets at Israel in this limited way, but Hezbollah didn't want to turn all of Lebanese society against them by inviting a massive Israeli onslaught on the country. But that also gave Israel enough time to cycle through Gaza and then turn its attention to them, and then they came to Lebanon and had no mercy. (The Israelis are ruthless.)

The state being weak also contributes to Israel being able to do strike as it did. Lebanon doesn't have air defenses. I think you sorta need a strong state but this model depends on building a para-state within a weak / fragile state (and keeping it like that).

>>17812162
I'm from the U.S. and never heard of Kneecap but this sounds like the "controversy" over Kanye. Okay that guy was going nigga heil Hitler but it's still shallow and most people don't give a fuck. Nobody is actually stopping him from saying it. But he's not really saying anything deep either. It's not serious. It's like a kid tearing something down and being like "look I tore it down!" That's what people do in our countries.

>>17812472
>Hezbollah didn't want to turn all of Lebanese society against them by inviting a massive Israeli onslaught on the country.
Do you seriously believe if Hezbollah sent a few rockets into Israel and Israel responded by glassing Lebanon that all the people of Lebanon would blame Hezbollah?

>>17812725
>Do you seriously believe if Hezbollah sent a few rockets into Israel and Israel responded by glassing Lebanon that all the people of Lebanon would blame Hezbollah?
He doesn't have to believe that, it's a fact that a lot of Lebanese already blame Hezbollah for everything (obviously these are not Hezbollah's constituents)

>>17812780
All politicking would fade to irrelevance and mean nothing if Israel levelled them. All they would know was that Israelis destroyed their home.

>>17812788
The post you were replying to said that Hezbollah didn't want to invite a massive Israeli onslaught because they'd be blamed. In your responses you keep saying that this wouldn't happen but I should make it clear, the massive onslaught already happened, thousands were killed, and many blamed Hezbollah. What the original poster said already happened, it's not a prediction.

>>17812816
They fired a small amount. Israel responded in a small scale way. Now once the rubble has been cleared up people blame them.
I'm saying in the event or a Gaza style endsieg scenario there's be no time to discuss who was right and who was wrong, the situation on the ground would be Israel is bombing us becauss they are evil.

>>17812825
>Israel responded in a small scale way.
I was going to say I don't think anyone except maybe Israelis and their blind followers thinks this. But I think even the IDF doesn't say that they ran a small scale campaign, to the contrary the size of the campaign is an accomplishment for them. So it's either just really a dumb characterization of that conflict to call it small scale, or a bad faith argument.

>>17812846
Small scale relative to what they did to Gaza.