Why are they the permanent members of the UN Security Council?

My application was rejected

china, uk and russia are successor states to the original seated members
France is there as a participation trophy
US is US

>>17807713 (OP)
major regional powers at the end of the war plus france who was having a hissy fit. they figured the only way for the US to actually work is if china and the USSR thought they were equally represented, unlike the league of nations shit. The US tried to add brazil but got blocked

>>17807713 (OP)
It's the World War 2 victors club

>>17807713 (OP)
Here is my best understanding of what I think to be the most important reasons, although there are a multitude of underlying factors behind this particular group ending up as the permanent members.

First, all five of these countries were very assertive in insisting they should be on the UNSC when it was founded. There were others who advocated for their entry as well -- but they were excluded for reasons explained below.

Second, these five countries all did not want there to be too many countries in it. All five countries wanted it to be a small number of permanent members. For example China wanted to specifically make sure they were in it and countries like Japan were not, so that they could feel better about themselves. This was a major motivation for those countries why they originally went along with it.

Third, regarding the inclusion of US, UK and France: the countries of the free world did not want to be represented by only one nation in the UNSC. The representatives of the US, UK and France also liked the idea that they would constitute the majority of the council (three out of five), although this doesn't matter as much as it might seem, since all it takes is one member to veto any motion. Still there is a certain intangible psychological effect that remains from this. In particular also, the UK in 1945 had not entered its collapsed state (and the Suez Crisis had not happened yet), and was still perceived as a superpower, so in some ways this balance is an artifact of the time in which the council was created. Since the UN was created in 1945 (before countries like India existed) this part of it has pretty much been locked in stone. To change it would seem to threaten the foundation of the UN itself, thus has not been seriously attempted.

To soften the perception of exclusion, the UN allows for there to be "rotating members" of the UNSC as a kind of compensation so it doesn't look as exclusionary as it otherwise would, even though it still is.

>>17807713 (OP)
America, Britain, Russia and China because they won WW2.
And France because they're France.

>>17807713 (OP)
If you know literally anything about WWII you'd know France is the only controversial cunt there. And even then it can be rationalised by needed to keep stability on continental Europe

>>17807713 (OP)
Bharat bros, how long will our millennium of humiliation last?

>>17807713 (OP)
Great Allied powers.
Rest of Allies were either colonies or irrelevant nations like Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark etc.

>>17807713 (OP)
It's a remnant of FDR's retarded plan to cynically divide the world up between the four largest countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Policemen
Churchill insisted France should be added, I suppose to undermine Germany's status on the European continent

>>17807713 (OP)
They have nukes and won the last world war so basically might makes right.

>>17808013
Despite everything, France was able to put a foot in Germany. Holding some ground there assured them a place at the negociation table.
Also at the time, France had a fair amount of sympathy in the popular opinion. Acting too much against it could have been an electoral blunder.

>>17808351
Only the US had nukes at the time

>>17807713 (OP)
France did absolutely nothing to belong in this group. If anything half of France shot at the British and Americans and the other half literally was fucking the Germans and playing round up the jew.

>>17808679
Exactly and could have told the world to go fuck themselves this is how everything will be. Why in holy fuck suck Stalins cock. I know the US believed the Nationalist Chinese would someday be in charge but that assumption proved WRONG

>>17808782
france fucking seethes about everything. france demanded french be the international language and then seethes that everyone just uses english instead

>>17807713 (OP)
They were the victorious powers of WW2

>>17808679
>Only the US had nukes at the time
Primitive nukes that were nothing like modern hydrogen bombs.
>The countries generally acknowledged to possess hydrogen bombs, also known as thermonuclear weapons, are the United States, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, and China.

>>17808013
Even though France was carried to "victory" (really was a collaborator state), the republic inherited by the resistance was still the 2nd largest empire coming out of WW2

>>17807713 (OP)
they called dibs

>>17808782
>If anything half of France shot at the British and Americans and the other half literally was fucking the Germans and playing round up the jew.
Yeah but we are pretty much forced to downplay the whole collaboration thing going on in Europe (and in the colonies) on top of the reality of how antagonistic the Free French movement towards French citizens and subjects.

>>17808013
France was added as a counterbalance to the US and Brtain, the USSR didn't want to be lone dissenting voice as it made them feel alone in a hostile room, although in reality most of France opposition to the US in the UN would symbolic.

>>17807713 (OP)
Because without an elevated level of importance, great powers probably wouldn't bother with the whole thing. I mean when any of these nations don't get what they want from the UN, they throw fits and talk about how useless the UN is and how it shouldn't exist already, if they didn't get any special treatment whatsoever, they'd 100% just leave.

>>17807911
/thread

>>17810018
Vichy France = better France

>>17808172
there's a popular belief among indian nationalists that india was originally one of the permanent 5, but gave the position away to china

>>17807713 (OP)
Certain G7 club of entitled has-beens is even more interesting kek

>>17810580
Britain's seat should be transferred to India desu, it used to be a relevant country but now bongs are just an American client

>>17807713 (OP)
might makes right. or to translate a local saying, "the stronger dog gets to fuck".