God doesn’t hate cripples because they’re crippled. Cripples are crippled because god hates them.

>>17808074 (OP)
>God gives you arms
>God gives you a brain
>God gives you a heart
>God gives you a conscience
>Focus on your lack of legs
arrogant fuck

>>17808074 (OP)
God only hates the wicked.

baseball would get boring without the occasional curveball

>>17808074 (OP)
It's strange how often times people with physical disabilities tend to be beacons of positivity and teach kindness to others in a variety of ways. I've met many people who lack function in their legs especially and while all agree that is difficult, many cultivate a deep inner strength as a result of this. If you reframe it not as God hating those with disabilities, but giving his most difficult challenges to those who are most able to handle them, then you realize quickly what the purpose of hardship is to those that are subject to it.

>>17808271
God will have mercy with those who's lives were difficult. If they endure, it will turn into a blessing because it will cause God to have compassion on them and overlook their sins in the judgement day.

i'm bumping this thread cause the replies were edifying and true. i hope everyone participating in this thread has a sweet and fruitful season especially those in Christ. and especially again those mine enemies

>bless evil people, make good people suffer
>sin even only exists because he constructed his shit simulation that way

christkikes think this is a holy god. No good tree can bear bad fruit says the father of lucifer

>>17808363
Evil people get temporary wealth and power, sometimes, if they are lucky. Good people deal with hardships, sometimes extreme ones, but also get to see beauty usually at least once in their life and then eternal paradise awaits them. When you realize life is basically just one big vibe check to see if you are cool enough for the actual party, it starts making a lot of sense.

>>17808381
>control all the variables like your birth, genetics, society you were born in
>blame you for it

Your god is definitely jewish

>>17808387
Yeah man and why do you think he sent his Son down? So everyone could have the chance to get into the function.

>>17808387
Also your parents are the ones in control of your birth and your genetic makeup insofar as they decide to make new life together. God knows what you are going to do because he is God and that is just sorta how it works, but you still have the free will to choose whether or not you live in righteousness. Just because he knows what you are going to do doesn't make it any less your choice.

>>17808404
>be grateful he "fixed" the problem he created
>world still the same except Europe is enslaved to usury banking thanks to Christianity

>>17808413
Retarded argument

>>17808387
There are people in worse position than you in life that walk rigtheously and love God. You think you're excused for hating God because of your suffering but you don't count your blessings. You will be put to shame and judged in the last day by the very people who suffered more than you yet loved God when he makes them princes over people.

>>17808404
>I had to sacrifice myself to myself through bllood sacrifice by some iron age humans! How could I forgive them otherwise?
God is a schizo

>>17808418
I realize you probably wanted God to make you an automaton, incapable of doing anything that He didn't like. Let me pose a question, do you enjoy friendship more with an inanimate object that does exactly what you want any time you want it to? Or do you prefer a living breathing friend that maybe isn't just an extension of your will?

Something to think on maybe I don't know. As to usury, yeah that is an issue but it is by no means the fault of Christianity.

>>17808435
God could just not give humans the propensity to sin

>>17808363
Everyday you prove Satan right. You only love God if he blesses you. If he lets you suffer just a little you would curse him in his face.

But how can anyone be justified when a man like Job exists? If he didn't curse God then who is allowed to do so?

>>17808433
The purpose of Christ was to become flesh and understand as a man what lead people to sin so that they could be given the tools to overcome it. The Passion of Christ is really much more multifaceted than that however, and the theological/spiritual implications are too numerous and detailed to get into, but I promise you many great minds have expounded upon it at length.

>>17808440
Which would make us incapable of doing anything God found to be offensive, essentially making us automatons.

>>17808446
>The purpose of Christ was to become flesh and understand as a man what lead people to sin so that they could be given the tools to overcome it
The bible doesn't say that, also god already knew all of this; there is no need for the blood magic, god made humans sinfull in the first place.

>>17808451
>Which would make us incapable of doing anything God found to be offensive, essentially making us automatons.
So god wants us to sin but then pnishes us for how we were made

>>17808074 (OP)
>huurrrr god hates this
>god did this
>god did that

Your legs don't work because you were either born incorrectly, it's a luck of the draw
Or you were a dumbass that got ran over by a car or whatever

There is no God

>>17808451
Not having the desire to murder isn't being an aiutomaton

>>17808462
Yes because it was still your choice to act. He knows what you are going to do, but you choose to do it, He wants you to have the choice between sin and righteousness but still choose the righteous path.

>>17808469
You always have the choice to act but not have the desire to act out a certain action; there is no contraddiction, you just want to justfy and evil god

>>17808461
I would venture a guess you are not very familiar with the Bible, the accounts of Jesus' life often contain lessons which guide you towards right action. You are right that He knew all of it, but He needed to become flesh in order to find the best way to relate it to us, He also became flesh for many more reasons but again those would take a very long time to relate.

>>17808469
Jewgod controls all the variables idiot

>>17808481
>You are right that He knew all of it, but He needed to become flesh in order to find the best way to relate it to us,
This is contraddictory; if god knew there is no need for the blood sacrifice, you can't have both; and your theology isn't in the bible

>>17808468
Sin is classified as many more behaviors than just murder, it seems you want him to remove a specific sin, but sin is interconnected. What leads to murder begins with hate or sometimes even love, should he remove that which causes those to kill?

>>17808487
Completely irrelevant; youcan hate or love without wanting to murder; there is no necessary causal link, again you have to justify an evil god

>>17808473
If you are incapable of choice you are incapable of action.

>>17808482
But you still choose to go against His will.

>>17808485
He knew it but again He needed to find a way to convey it to people, the same way we need to teach children things in ways which are digestible to them. You are also transfixed with this idea that it was a "blood sacrifice" I assume this is because of the Eucharist, but surely you grasp that the Eucharist isn't a sacrifice but a communion.

>>17808500
Bible says gods will cannot be thwarted

Whichis it christ cultist?

>>17808495
You can, but to remove murder would mean that love and hate cannot exist as we understand them. Hate and anger would vanish completely and love would be entirely alien to our conception, the deep sort of love one might feel moved to die for would be gone and the idea of living for something would also lose its meaning as death is not a consideration.

>>17808500
>If you are incapable of choice you are incapable of action.
That's not what was said; you can ave the choice but not the desire to go through with it; that's how choices are acted out

>>17808505
Your right, it cannot, no matter how many people choose to live in sin God will always prevail.

>>17808510
Then you are not really making a choice, are you?

>>17808500
>He knew it but again He needed to find a way to convey it to people, the same way we need to teach children things in ways which are digestible to them.

And dying on a piece of wood and disappearing did that?
You are also transfixed with this idea that it was a "blood sacrifice" I assume this is because of the Eucharist, but surely you grasp that the Eucharist isn't a sacrifice but a communion.

It is blood sacrifice, jesus is the lamb that akes away sin, clear allusion to sacrifice; paul also said that there was no further need of sacrifices because jesus made the ultimate one; you haven't read your bible

>>17808512
>gods will cannot be thwarted

Therefore free will does not exist and you worship a schizo

>>17808516
You are; you choose to not act because you don't want to, that is how choices work, just admit that you can have free will and nt have the desire to sin

>>17808517
Jesus was not a sacrifice, His sacrifice, particularly His forgiveness in it, is what allowed us to be forgiven, but His purpose was (in part) communion, which is what the Eucharist is.

>>17808523
You cannot have free will and also be entirely unable to sin, if you lack to ability to make a choice on a matter then you are not making a choice. If someone decides not to do something which they never were able to do in the first place, well then they aren't making a choice, and if the ability for them to act is entirely absent then they wouldn't even know that there was a choice.

>>17808519
Just because God knows what you are going to do, and should you choose to go against Him you would not succeed in doing so, does not mean you did not make a choice to go against Him.

>>17808542
>created this reality, put every variable, knows your decision before you were made

>blames you for it

schizo

>>17808547
Anyone can decide, at any moment, to be forgiven for their actions.

>>17808530
>Jesus was not a sacrifice,
He very muh was; again tou haven't read your book, jesus is seen as a lamb and his blood as cleanser of sin; this is congruent with the idea of sacrifice of the jews at that time

>>17808538
>You cannot have free will and also be entirely unable to sin,
Why do you keep inserting unable? You can have free will amd not desire to sin, there is no contraddiction n freely choosing not to sin

>>17808567
Because removing sin from the equation means that you remove all of its component parts.

>>17808565
It is one dimension of his character, but again he was not a sacrifice. He made a sacrifice for us, but was not just a blood sacrifice, nor was He a "blood sacrifice" at all. Jesus was a man who lived and died for us, is someone who dies and secures you a life-saving transplant a sacrifice, or did they make a sacrifice for you?

>>17808572
No you don't, you keep going in circles; there is no contraddiction in choosing not to sin

>>17808575
>He made a sacrifice for us, but was not just a blood sacrifice
It doesn't matter how mch you sauy this, it's still wrong; jesus is a lamb nd his bood creates an alliance, it's quite literally sacrifice, I don't get why you are so against something that is accepted by virtually all christians

>>17808538
So are you saying god must be sinful then?

He has free will after all

>>17808577
Most people don't wake up one day and randomly decide to kill someone, it happens but is a rare case and usually we are missing the information to understand why. It is a long and drawn out process brought about by envy or hatred or a multitude of other behaviors, slowly building to the final moment where you act and decide to murder. If God removed murder than envy and hatred would also be subtracted from the equation as they lead to murder, you cannot separate these things from the action unless it was something you never intended to do anyways.

>>17808553
Actually that is not biblical

>you are saved by grace not by your own world should you boast
>no man can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him

Your salvation is not even your decision. Jewgod literally has to choose you first

>>17808584
Well He is God, and not man, so no.

>>17808583
The phrasing is incorrect and reduces the meaning of the Eucharist and the rites of communion. Calling Christ a sacrifice is simply reductive and poorly defined.

>>17808586
Lots of words o say nothing

>>17808587
Yes God's grace saves not your choice, and God knows who will not accept Christ and plays a part in this decision in those will. You, however, still decide if you are to go against God. Your damnation is by your own will and your salvation is by His.

>>17808589
>The phrasing is incorrect
It isn't; did jesus die for your sins or not?

>>17808593
>god already knows who to save but you have the choice
This doesn't make sense

>>17808592
Have you ever been cut off in traffic and in a moment of anger imagined killing or otherwise hurting the person who cut you off? If not I applaud your measured temperament, but I ask you if you did and still did not act, were you ever going to hurt/kill them? Maybe if this is a pattern for you, and you consistently are driven to extreme levels of rage you will one day act on this impulse, but to remove murder or harm from the equation would mean you would never feel rage to begin with.

>>17808594
Calling it a blood sacrifice is incorrect, yes, largely because you yourself have not defined the term but one could also reasonably assume you are suggesting that the act is a profane and pagan ritual.

>>17808596
Those who are damned freely choose it.

>>17808440
Your propensity to sin is a wicked spirit. It does not come from the flesh but from the spirit. You need to seek God's help and repent of your evil if you want peace.

>>17808589
>free will and son can coexist

Why not create that then. Because cruelty is the point of this creation

>>17808593
>it's not your choice but also your choice

Peak Christian gaslighting lol

>>17808605
>Calling it a blood sacrifice is incorrect,
No it isn't, jesus was very much a sin offering; he allusions to this veing the case are clear

>>17808612
and *no sin

>>17808605
>Those who are damned freely choose it.
Then god can't already have chosem who to save; the bible also say that some people were made to sin and go to hell

>>17808608
Then you can't choose not to sin? Doesn't sound like free will

>>17808451
>essentially making us automatons.
Not necessarily. God will make us inclined to rigtheousness in heaven. But that is a privilege for those who choose rigtheousness by their own will.

>>17808628
I don't have the free will to fly in the sky

But jewgod wants people to have the free will to torture, rape, kill, or abuse ch*ldren

Great priorities.

>>17808618
The point is they made the decision to go against God, even if God already knows, even if some people are just meant for hell, even if you are only saved by intercession, your soul made the decision to go against God should you be damned.

>>17808614
It's reductive to call it a "blood sacrifice" and suggests the act was profane, this is simply not the case.

>>17808612
>Why not create an imaginary ethical play ground where reason, epistemology and probably even the physical nature of reality are dramatically different?

>>17808628
Yeah Heaven is the big asterisk here, things change if you arrive there.

>>17808622
You can chose to repent of your evil and humble yourself before God to ask him for forgiveness so that the evil spirits that are punishing you stop.

Then God will give you a holy spirit that makes you inclined to rigtheousness instead of sin.

You need to believe in God and obey him. He's trying to guide you through the path that leads to life but you must trust him and obey him. If you do what he says even if you don't understand why you will always win because you are taking advice from the Most High, there's no one above him.

He has no reason to fool you, he doesn't have to trick you, he can be fully trusted. Following his advice will lead you to happiness. If you walk through the path that he commanded you will stumble upon a great blessing that everyone will wish to have and nobody can take away from you.

It is stupid to think that the greatest being of all who is capable of creating life itself is evil. You just need to trust him give him the benefit of the faith. He deserves it.

Try to justify him instead of condemning him and he will justify you in the final day instead of condemning you.

>>17808664
Move Mt Everest to Washington DC in the next 10 minutes or you and your religion is a fraud

>>17808638
>But jewgod wants people to have the free will to torture, rape, kill, or abuse ch*ldren

Yes because then the people who do not do those things get exalted and are proven rigtheous. And God can pick then and keep them for himself so that he can enjoy of having good and rigtheous humans in his presence.

That is all God wants, rigtheous humans, he is creating them by allowing them to grow in this world. Once they die without having done evil they are proven righteous and God adds them to the list.

To God it is worth finding those men who wouldn't do evil no matter how tempting it is, and to find those men he has to allow temptation to exist and evil to be possible. So that the can reject it.

In the end when he has all those who chose rigtheousness it will all end, he will end this world of suffering and suffering will be no more. Be will create a perfect world for those rigtheous ones who endured this world and it's temptations.

>>17808668
I'm not a Christian, I worship El Shaddai.

>>17808674
Again I do not have free will to fly in the sky

Jewgod is obviously fine with limiting free will

Except the parts that increase human suffering

>>17808678
The way to heaven is rigtheousness. Nothing is stopping you right now from being righteous.

>>17808271
Except for all the disabled people who kill themselves, of course. Don't know what God was thinking there. Ah well, straight to hell.

>>17808697
God will judge each person by what they did. For the things they think and desire.

>>17808074 (OP)
Fuck off christkike

>>17808798
God is a completely delusional retarded tranny for believing it's even possible to pretend that he's a moral authority. He thinks he should be allowed to steal literally millions of dollars from me and justify it by saying the thieves are "better than me" but thinks he use me using chilli powder without asking permission as a teenager as an excuse to abuse me for the rest of my life because h's a delusional tranny. Nothing about God is just or righteous whatsoever. He thinks he can use me thinking about baseball as an excuse to abuse me, that's what he will abuse me for "thinking and desiring". God is a completely evil tranny who created a completely evil retarded world where he forces me to act as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world so that he can abuse me through everyone else as a retarded tanny hivemind, he abuses me for the most retarded excuses imaginable like playing browser games or thinking about baseball because he's too retarded and delusional to understand that creating false justifications and lying makes him more evil not less evil. God is a disgusting tranny who is too retarded to understand that him raping my mind is eviler than anything that I could ever possibly think. Everything about God's nature is completely evil and unjust, he thinks he should be allowed to do whatever evil things to me that he desires, stealing from me, beating me, raping me, sexually abusing me, raping my mind, starving me, gangstalking me, harassing, abusing, terrorizing, threatening me, and he thinks he can justify it by saying "he's better than me", and he thinks he can latch onto literally anything I do including things like thinking about baseball, playing browser games, watching anime, and use it as an excuse to abuse me for the rest of my life, because he's completely retarded delusional and evil.

>>17808883
You seem to have some deeper issues anon, I am not sure this is the best place for you to be, you might invite some unwanted eyes.

>>17808074 (OP)
Disabled people are disabled because unpleasant things happen sometimes.
>genetic mutations
>accidents
>violence from others
As for God, he doesn't exist.

>>17808074 (OP)
I'm starting to believe that /his/ christians are basically bots. Their arguments have been ripped apart time and time again, they defend god getting people crippled to cultivate 'inner' strenght, and more

There's no way an actual, non schizo, human being thinks like this

>>17808271
>giving his most difficult challenges to those who are most able to handle them
Is there some quota of misery he has to inflict on innocent people or something?

>>17808074 (OP)
>this is what calvinists actually believe