Is Western Rite Orthodoxy legitimate Orthodoxy?

No one cares about the Orthodox, go back to Eastern Europe.

>>17809935 (OP)
Russians made it up in the early 20th century to try to shill Orthodoxy to westerners. British people seem to be most susceptible to it. Anglo-Orthodoxy is the absolute zenith of occidental ortholarping with ludicrous claims that “England was Orthodox before 1066”. They claim the obscure and debated Nova Anglia settlement in Crimea was Orthodox English fleeing evil Catholic Norman rule, and say since the pope blessed the invasion and provided a papal banner to William, this totally proves they were Orthodox, and by that I mean they really say the British Isles practiced full blown Eastern Orthodox Christianity with the exact same liturgy, theology, icons, the whole deal, exactly as it was in the east.

Yes

>>17809935 (OP)
I live in an Orthodox country and I've never heard of it. Seems LARPy. There are some prominent Westerners who converted to our Church, but they all use the Eastern Rite.

>>17810845
It's an attempt by the church to regain Latin rites that were lost after the schism. It was started by Roman Catholic churches that were fed up with papal nonsense and asked the eastern churches if they could become Orthodox, but still retain their Latin practices and aesthetics.

>>17809935 (OP)
I think one possible problem is that the Latin west was very different in belief from the Greek East long before the schism was official. Just look at how influential Augustine was in the west while being virtually unread in the east. These were one Church legally, but not ideologically.
I guess its similar to Eastern Catholicism where they keep all their liturgies and traditions while on paper accepting western theology. Alot of Orthodox have a big problem with that, though I don't know of many Catholics who do.

>>17809971
Orthodox can always list a lot of names becsuse they tend to use a surface level listing of kings, councils, and clerics to befuddle the normie mind into thinking that their view of history must be correct, when in fact they make shit up constantly just to spite Catholics.

>>17811569
I mean, that’s all you really need to have a united church. Otherwise, we would have to count every autocephalous body in EO as separate.

>>17811569
The Papacy has been trying to chew their teeth on nearly every proclamation and resolution made in the East when it didn't involve them or dictated what they wanted even when they were under Emperors who could (and almost always did) remove them. Even when most of the time these resoultions were accepted by most Eastern Churches like the Henotikon

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>>17811596
As expected.

>>17809971
Didn't the King of Mercia style himself as Basileus?

>>17811579
>when in fact they make shit up constantly just to spite Catholics.
I don't think the world revolves around you, they do do this, but so do you, and both of you do it to re-write history into one which satisfies your fictitious narratives.
>that’s all you really need to have a united church
That's Romish "unity", not a unity of faith or worship, but of slavery to the pope. What a joke

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>>17811596
>The Papacy has been trying to chew their teeth on nearly every proclamation and resolution made in the East when it didn't involve them
Well yeah. The Pope has been claiming to basically be in charge of the whole Church since the time of Leo the Great. He just didn't have the power to push that claim with real power until much later. The schism didn't just happen, it was building up for hundreds of years prior before it reached a breaking point.
>>17811809
>they do do this, but so do you,
You call them out, yet you do so with that pic.People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

>>17811859
B-B-BASED! This but unironically, genuinely and factually so without an ounce of irony.

>>17811809
It’s the largest church and denomination by far. Also, if you are neither Catholic nor EO, and in fact think we’re both basically infidels who follow antichrists, why are you butting into a discussion between two closely related churches to tell us how we actually feel about each other.

The Eastern Orthodox are generally doctrinally sound Christians except on some key issues that cause us to be in schism, but even those are mostly a result of history: politics and language barriers creating unnecessary disputes. In terms of properly dogmatic issues, the list is extremely small as stated both by our Pope and EO patriarchs. In essence, the Eastern Orthodox are my highly respectable but unfortunately estranged brothers, while your beliefs are a crude mockery of Christ’s teachins as laid out in scripture. Unless you’re a Lutheran, then we’re actually pretty close, but Lutherans have a mega hate boner sadly.

Also you misunderstood the second half of the post, I’m actually saying something positive about Eastern Orthodoxy, but you’re too busy seething about the heckin papists for reading comprehension. Or maybe your background knowledge on our two religions is just insufficient, because, as usual, you lack a basic knowledge of church history and tradition.

>>17811869
>You call them out, yet you do so with that pic
I don't need to turn the church fathers into Protestants to accept them as true Christians

>>17811859
Me on the right

Bump

Anglicanism is Bong Orthodoxy
Lutheranism is German Orthodoxy

Various older Catholic countries like Spain and Ireland have their own flavour of Catholicism while essentially ignoring the details of Catholic dogma

Every culture just develops its own version of the dominant religion, don't get hung up on the political details

>>17813520
wtf