Is it a real phenomenon, or a nothingburger? What is the line between appreciation and appropriation? Are all forms of cultural appropriation inevitable? I notice that it's mainly whites and Koreans (mainly K-pop stars) who get scrutiny for "cultural appropriation" of black American culture, whereas the Japanese get praise. Is it cultural appropriation when black Americans larp as black Africans, or is it okay when they do it? What are some historical instances of cultural appropriation vs appreciation? Is it okay to admire some aspects of a culture while disregarding other aspects of the same culture/society?

>>17809955 (OP)
is it cultural appropriation when northern europeans claim ancient greco-roman legacy?

It's a vain attempt by nonwhites to stop themselves from becoming atomized, cultureless global citizens

>>17809955 (OP)
The whole history is somebody approriating something from someone else
Nothing burger, unless its you said that its you specifically made this, like for exemple a russian claiming they made the phalanx
>dreadlocks
All culture used it
Especially warriors who had long hair and went to battle
Arabs, Greeks, Persians, they all did it
>>17809957
Yes

>>17809955 (OP)
Crying over dreadlocks is a prime example of black fragility. Like get some real ass accomplishments besides a hairstyle you bitch ass nigga.

>>17809955 (OP)
notice the comment section of these videos compare to the ones when kpop does it
what makes it appreciation vs appropriation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlqa3NO-1xI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCIc-xiZAP0

>>17809955 (OP)
There are 4 types of cultural appropriation.

1st is when you just notice a thing associated with other culture and start to use it because you like it. Like, you decide that Arab robes are very comfy so you buy a bunch and wear them to work. This is completely fine and only an absolute retard would give you shit for it.

You might get some problem if the thing you has some religious significance, like if you wear a bishop's hat for no religious reason, but even that should not be seen as offensive, just kind of dumb.

2nd type is when you use something associated with another culture specifically because you want to be associated with that culture. This is usually cringe as most people who do it don't now much about that culture and just go by pop culture ideas. Weebs are the most common example of that. But there are non-cringe ways to do this too.

So if you wear arab robes and tell anyone that you do it because you think Arab culture is so cool because you played Assassin's Creed, you should be mocked. But if you study the culture seriously, spend some time in the countries, genuinely become an enthusiast, and you show it off by dressing the part, that's totally respectable.

3rd kind is when you live in another country and assimilate to their customs, that's the most normal thing to do.

4th is when you do something mockingly, like you put on a sheet and go "look at me I'm an Ayrab", that's obviously offensive and that's the intent. But only a very bad faith person would confuse type 4 with the other 3.

>>17810023
that's the most nuanced/reasonable take i've seen regarding cultural appropriation

i do have a question about one more: when you disregard a culture when the original does it, but praise another culture when they imitate the original, regardless of if they're doing it out of admiration or mocking. how much should we give flack to the imitator, or is it only the society that gives these double standards that deserve scrutiny?

>>17810041
>when you disregard a culture when the original does it, but praise another culture when they imitate the original

I guess this was the case for Black American music, which white artist took inspiration from and got rich while Black artists were left out. But I think this was more just direct racism, the double standards were not aimed towards the music but the artists, it was just that many white people would have never payed for an album with a black guy on the cover period.

So, the approriation wasn't really an issue and it actually may have helped against racism as black music did get acknowledged to some degree (e.g. John Lennon playing with Chuck Berry).

People like to think in ingroups and outgroups but one is a member of more than one group. So when people think in terms of races, obviously a white person will put a black person into the outgroup. But then if music comes up it's now people who are into the music are like vs. people who aren't into the music I like, so now when that person sees that some blacks also like and play rock and roll, now they are in the ingroup, and thus harder to discriminate against and dehumanize.

>>17809973
They are retarded but lets not forget that whites are also extremely fragile cucks who project
They brag about not being sensitive but they the first to cry for everything
Also "im not sensitive" is a cope for Stockholm syndrome cucks who dont do shit when you harm them
Type of guys that you could fuck their wives and they wont say shit

>>17810149
There are valid reasons for righteous outrage- like jews pushing for open borders in your country, and then there’s being a little bitch- like crying over a hairstyle.

Most cucks/polyamory “people” irl are far left fags who take shit like “cultural appropriation” seriously.

>>17809973

Japs largely descend from Black patriarchs and thats what makes them Based

a metaphor for jacobs ladder providing the bugs metamorphosis as nature intended

>>17809957
>greco-roman
Romans stole from Greeks. Greeks stole from Samnites.

its idpol retards trying to condemn a normal process that everyone does and everyone has always done wherever cultures come in contact

>>17810475
What? Samnites were weird hill people even when the Romans started fighting them. Nobody appropriated their culture.

>>17810487
Where does the Greek alphabet come from?

>>17810413
we wuz samurai n shiet

>>17810504
A Ubisoft Produ-ACK!

Hello Chinese of /int/. America will not rush to save you zhang and Ping Pong from invasions from Tenno Heika Banzai Japanese SS Suicide Squadrons and robots, since they will be in the middle of a Civil War. You will all die and perish at the hands of Suzuki, Tanaka and Takeshi and Nanking will finally be finished since MacArthur will not protect you Chinese dogs

>>17810494
...Phoenician?

>>17810023
In the specific case of Native American headdresses, in a lot of cases the feathered headdresses are traditionally given for martial virtue, so it's effectively equivalent to wearing a medal you didn't earn, from a country whose land your country is illegally occupying.

>>17810592
Excuse me, martial valor. Well, I guess "virtue" isn't exactly wrong, but it's not quite the word I meant to use.

>>17809955 (OP)
There is no such thing as cultural appropriation. It's dumb humans throwing terms together to create new nonsensical meanings. You are getting angry over your own imagined thoughts.

>>17810396
The left are cucks but the right are closeted cucks
Kill yourselves both of you

>>17810592
Illegal according to whomst?

>muh stolen valor

You can wear military uniforms as costume items dumbfuck

>>17810149
Sounds like brown cope

>>17810592
In certain nations, feathers were used as such (Plains Indians for sure), but this wasn't universial, others just wore it as decoration. So unless someone puts on those specific Plains headress that were basically medals, it should not be a problem.

I guess the real issue is that feathered headresses are so out of place in a modern setting that if you have one on you obviously want to stand out, and it's unlikely that you have a connection with actual native cultures given how few of them are left. So it's more likely that you are some insufferable hippie type or one of those people who brag about there 0.001% Native American ancestry to try to be less boring.

Really the main problem is that cringe people use other cultures to try to look cool and interesting, they fail, and poison the well against the whole thing. Like how people are less willing to show how they like Japanese stuff because they don't want to be associated with weebs.

Any non-white wearing a t-shirt or jeans is cultural apppropriation
In a world where whites invented most of everyday stuff, non-whites whining about cultural apporpriation is ridiculous

>>17810023
I think the importance of religious and other important symbols shouldn't be understated. Even among "white" cultures, it does irk me looking up Thor and only seeing Marvel Thor. Not hard to see why some native Americans dislike very seriously negative concepts like skinwalkers being used by whites as a cheap creepypasta villain etc. But where is the line? Everything draws from older cultures and despite what leftists say sometimes there just isn't a clear power dynamic - I think neglecting the status of Japan as a cultural superpower is absurd

>>17809957
We improved upon it.

>>17813503
>Even among "white" cultures, it does irk me looking up Thor and only seeing Marvel Thor.

That's just because you are a nerd and upset over mythological inaccuracy, not because it offends your religious sensibilities.

>Not hard to see why some native Americans dislike very seriously negative concepts like skinwalkers being used by whites as a cheap creepypasta villain etc.

Do people still believe skinwalkers are real, do they play a role in any living religious worship? If not, then they are in the same category as Thor. Even if they do believe in them, turning religious concepts into horror is nothing new. There are tons of horror films based on demons and Satan that absolutely contradict the Bible. Tons of Asian horror makes references to Buddhist beliefs. So there is nothing wrong with the concept by itself, unless the story in question is implying that Native Americans are evil or something.

>>17813544
>If not, then they are in the same category as Thor.
NTA, but there very much are people who actively believe in and worship Thor.

Blacks are so spiteful. They hate seeing the rest of us have fun.