>land reforms were decently successful
>intellectuals, artists, scientists were valued
>fashion was still diverse and western/traditional mixed
>industrial output increased by 133% during the first 5 year plan
>crime, drug addition, and foreign exploitation were completely wiped out within a couple years

So what went wrong starting in 1958 onwards? Should Mao have died in 1957?

>>17810144 (OP)
You are basically asking if the Great Leap Forward was a massive misstep, and I think anyone can acknowledge that yeah it was regardless of ideological commitments. The real question was if a bunch of dead sparrows and scrap iron would have one shotted any other economic system quite like it did red China, and to that I think the answer is no.

>>17810144 (OP)
>intellectuals, artists, scientists were valued
Not in the Anti-Rightist Campaign, anyway.

>>17810144 (OP)
Chinese version of 50s nostalgia LARP:
https://youtu.be/xxzzsO9_-VU

>>17810281
>even changs have nostalgiafagging boomers
intergenerational humiliation ritual

>>17810293
there's a lot of Chinese boomers who jerk off to the Cultural Revolution era, Xi Jinping is one of them

>>17810281
There is a faction of traditionalist commie types who have always nostalgiafagged the 50s when China followed the Soviet model before the 60s chaos happened.

>>17810293
They rediscovered their youth as Mao Zedong's strongest soldiers by taking over all the parks and square dancing to Italo-Disco music
https://youtu.be/lYOAXpK_lsc

>>17810297
>Xi Jinping is one of them
Ironic, since his father was a reformist, got persecuted multiple times during the 60's and was the only one to side with Hu Yaobang when he got blacklisted from the party for being "too liberal"

>>17810144 (OP)
>YELLOW PERIL

>>17810445
Yes but the yellows became reds.

>>17810281
>high pitched screeching with robotic expressions and movements
God, everything about Chinese "culture" is viscerally disgusting
>y-you're just racist
Bullshit. No other Asian country does this crap.
>y-you're just anti-communist
The DPRK produces some amazing art of socialist realism, their stage productions are incredible to watch.
For reference, here's how they depicted the same era of their history in their own stage show: https://youtu.be/Ddsmkh_2mng?feature=shared&t=1247
The Chinese really are just abhorrent in every way. I hate them.

>>17810144 (OP)
>intellectuals, artists, scientists were valued
Retard, they were literally all purged for being “reactionary” because fucking none of them supported the bullshit that is communism. If anything, they were already valued under the previous government.

>>17810464
You just made up an entire conversation with your self. Who the fuck are you quoting you schizo

>>17810523
Don't pretend that if you criticize Chinese culture you won't be handwaved as racist/liberal.

>>17810527
What?

>>17810534
What part of that sentence are you struggling with?

>>17810536
The words

>Tom Hutchinson, a New Zealand socialist (not a communist, he assured) visited China in 1956 and took 600 or so photographs documenting the country in the mid-1950s, the tranquil couple of years before the chaos of the Hundred Flowers Campaign and the Great Leap Forward began, a time when the PRC was enjoying considerable optimism and domestic order and before relations with the USSR had fallen off--at the time, New Zealand's small communist community was divided on whether China or the USSR was the correct path of socialism.

>Hutchinson like many idealistic Western leftists ultimately came to find that the reality of a communist country didn't match the fantasy. He was annoyed at constantly being watched by state security and he ended up spending more of his trip in Beijing than he would have liked. Hutchinson's visa was revoked a few weeks early when he asked too many questions about the PRC's resettlement of Han Chinese in the western territories. Later when he tried to apply for another visa he was turned down.

>In the following years Hutchinson came to be disillusioned at the inhumanity and intolerance towards political dissent the PRC displayed and many people he met and befriended in China fell victim to the Anti-Rightist Campaign and the Cultural Revolution. He was relieved to learn in 2000 that a favorite translator of his was still alive and living in Beijing.

>>17810582
>at the time, New Zealand's small communist community was divided on whether China or the USSR was the correct path of socialism.
This line is hilarious.

>>17810582
surprising to these tards gommunism is in fact brutally oppressive shit in which basic human dignity doesn't exist and there is no free individual thought permitted

>>17810582
very Soviet or North Korean looking uniform there before they adopted the Red Guard green pajamas look

>>17810464
Anyone who claims to hate the Chinese and only the Chinese among east asians for racial/cultural/etc reasons is lying. If you can stomach Japan and Korea you can handle China.

Though I have to admit the DRPK fuction posted is just more pleasant. Though not necessarily all that comparable.

>>17810594
>>at the time, New Zealand's small communist community was divided on whether China or the USSR was the correct path of socialism.
this decision would unequivocally change the course of human history as we know it

>>17810714
>the DRPK fuction posted is just more pleasant. Though not necessarily all that comparable.
That's the point, it IS comparable. Both are stage shows demonstrating the history of the nations in the 50s, the Chinese chose to represent it through the shrill whine of peking opera, an objectively horrifying sound that disgusts any rational observer.
The Koreans chose to depict it through a rousing and expertly choreographed dance number coupled with enjoyable music, because they are not cretins.
The same video I posted has a display of traditional Korean folk culture later on.
https://youtu.be/Ddsmkh_2mng?feature=shared&t=2922
As you can see, despite still ostensibly being high pitched singing they manage to make it an enjoyable spectacle which is pleasant to the ear.

The Chinese on the other hand seem to delight in the sound of cats being tortured and when they can't satisfy that urge they attempt to mimic the sound as best as possible.
https://youtu.be/wzBDB-u1pRg?feature=shared&t=46
I can not adequately describe how much I despise Chinese culture, language, people, and everything to do with them.

>>17810769
Mandarin sounds like a dentist's drill (Cantonese is much more pleasant-sounding).

>>17810582
while you accuse China of having non-respect for its citizens human rights, you may recall that in the same time period of the 1950s millions of black Americans had next to no rights at all and could not even ride on the same bus as white Americans. you will also recall that countless people had their lives ruined by Joseph McCarthy for having non-approved beliefs.

>China becomes top superpower and economy in the 2010s

>went wrong

is this nigga serious?

>>17811403
no, Huang, no

>>17810281
some countries have a nostalgia LARP for the 50s though not Poland or Czechia. (^:

>>17811341
Cantonese is nicer, but all forms of Chinese are still significantly worse than every other east asian language.
The only nice sounding dialect is the Suzhou dialect.
https://youtu.be/jVX3Px8ek6Y?feature=shared&t=154
Sadly, and another reason I hate China, they're stamping out minority dialects bit by bit in favor of their evil devil spawn tongue.

>>17812079
>Cantonese is nicer, but all forms of Chinese are still significantly worse than every other east asian language.
That's just your opinion. Japanese sounds way worse.

>Sadly, and another reason I hate China, they're stamping out minority dialects bit by bit in favor of their evil devil spawn tongue.
That's not even true, minorities are protected by the state. For example, did you know that they were exempt from the one child policy?

>>17812171
>That's just your opinion. Japanese sounds way worse.
Hard grating sounds like those in Mandarin are pretty universally accepted as sounding worse than soft plosives. Fricative sounds are those buzzing sounds like annoying insects make. Plosive sounds are like beats in music.
>That's not even true, minorities are protected by the state. For example, did you know that they were exempt from the one child policy?
Those are ethnic minorities, not linguistic minorities.

>>17812258
>Hard grating sounds
You just described Japanese. Everything they pronounce sounds like a harsh "k" or "h" or "t". In comparison, Chinese languages flow a lot better and sound more "round", more well-oiled.

>Those are ethnic minorities, not linguistic minorities.
And they're all bilingual. There's no plan to wipe out their languages.

>>17812273
>You just described Japanese. Everything they pronounce sounds like a harsh "k" or "h" or "t". None of those sounds are fricatives.
>In comparison, Chinese languages flow a lot better and sound more "round", more well-oiled.
None of these words mean anything. Mandarin is full of nasty fricative sounds (zh, ch, sh, ri, zi, ci, si) which literally sounds like insect noises.
>And they're all bilingual.
They're not. Dialect fluency has been dropping year on years, they're dying in favor of the god awful abomination that is mandarin.
>There's no plan to wipe out their languages.
The government prioritizes Mandarin as the lingua franca, thereby increasing the rate at which the dialects die out.

he got neurosyphilis from one of his whores

>>17812285
>None of these words mean anything.
Then you didn't listen enough to both languages.

>Mandarin is full of nasty fricative sounds (zh, ch, sh, ri, zi, ci, si)
But they actually flow well together as whole words and sentences, meanwhile Japanese just sounds like a bunch of separate sounds.

>They're not. Dialect fluency has been dropping year on years, they're dying in favor of the god awful abomination that is mandarin.
>The government prioritizes Mandarin as the lingua franca, thereby increasing the rate at which the dialects die out.
That's just a natural consequence of China having been over 80% Han since long before the CPC took over. It's not unique, China has been homogenizing itself since antiquity.

>>17812294
>Then you didn't listen enough to both languages.
"Round", "flow", "well-oiled" still mean absolutely nothing. May as well call them "dry", "robust", or any other adjective that has no comprehensive meaning in linguistics.
>But they actually flow well together as whole words and sentences, meanwhile Japanese just sounds like a bunch of separate sounds.
Japanese phonetics don't need to "flow" (which in my opinion they do, but for the sake of argument we'll say they don't) because they have a rigid grammatical structure, you can parse the language through that. Chinese on the other hand is a series of single syllable concepts barked at you with very little grammar holding them together.
>That's just a natural consequence of China having been over 80% Han since long before the CPC took over. It's not unique, China has been homogenizing itself since antiquity.
Just because the entire world is becoming a globalized blob doesn't mean I have to like it when nations adopt policies to accelerate that process. For what it's worth I feel similarly to hollywood churning out shit with the same generic American accent (though that's not as bad because Chinese dialects are really languages in their own right as opposed to simple accents)

>>17810144 (OP)
Chinks seem to go all in on every bet. You would think the example of the GLF would teach them, but they did the same thing with the 1 child policy. They need to chill.

>>17812330
It was probably Deng most retarded idea in retrospective, but it made some sense at the time. There was fear of becoming India if the child birthrate didnt drop.
Now they're going all in on AI and robots because they're afraid of disappearing in 2100

>>17812416
They got rich so fast because of. You may not like it, but it's true.

>>17812330
China is the most populous country in the world, if they really went all on everything they'd have conqored the solar system by now
>>17812429
>rich
China has the HDI of Mexico

>>17812440
Do you know what it was four decades ago?

>>17812464
Do you know where Mexico was four decades ago?

>>17812466
Mexico was suffering from a pretty bad economic crisis during the 80s due to overspending, currency devaluation and debt. It didn't turn around until the 90s with NAFTA and Neoliberal reforms, but following the 2000s, it became extremely mediocre in terms of growth.

>>17812466
Much richer than China

>>17812285
>Mandarin is full of nasty fricative sounds
what is your native language?

>>17813310
English.
>inb4 english also has fricatives
Far fewer than Mandarin. It's difficult to make a sentence in Mandarin that doesn't use them, but this one in English for example doesn't have any.