Albanians can be modelled as mostly Illyrian. Albanians have majority native Balkan y-chromosomes (only gegs though). Why aren’t more people here interested in this?

>>17810280 (OP)
Illyrians genetic profile:

>>17810295

>>17810298
>40% yamnaya
Wow they were high steppe chuds, interesting, unlike the gayeeks and their 20%

>>17810302
True Yamnaya YDNA
R1b-z2103 (z2108)
R1b-PF7576
J2b2-L283
Together almost 35%-40% of Albanian geg males, plus another 30-35% E-V13 abo farmers and Albanian gegs are over 70% Balkan native male descent

>>17810310
>semantics
They were high steppe

>>17810313
Albanians today are 30% yamnaya autosomally. But being high steppe doesn’t matter when Tajiks are high steppe.

>>17810298
>>17810295
Who they cluster?
>>17810302
Chudeeks were Pelasgians LARPing as catacomb. They still worshiping their Farmbug deities
>>17810310
h
Yeah but, even in your math, you forgot how useless haplogroups are

>>17810310
J is neither yamnaya nor european lineage. Some of chg cuckolds who sold their daughters to ehgchuds were accepted into their tribes and given sloppy seconds.

>>17810319
Why is Y DNA useless when you can trace your forefathers?

>>17810317
>albanian
I m talking about illyrians
>>17810319
Athenians were autochthonous

>>17810323
Cope.

>>17810324
Bacause It doesn't even represent 10% of the total genome and is at the mercy of founder effects, bottlenecks, etc.
Unless you are one of those who believe that a WHG elite killed the BACs, then your amateurism is greater than I thought

>>17810323
Was present in Yamnaya
But this guy are also dumb like you

>>17810302
Yes? But they had almost 40% steppe
Only Mycenaean had such low steppe due their admixture to Peloponnese_N or minoans, who already had churka mediated by males

>>17810344
Forgot the pic

>>17810333
You sound jelly bro. Y chromosome is Y chromosome.
>founder effect
>bottleneck
How come Albanians don’t have genetic diseases at a higher rates than others

>>17810351
it was refuted and now it's dilating, you dumb bitch?
>albania
if your mother cheated on your father with a guy from albania, that's your problem, you son of a bitch. I'm not albanian and I dare you to show me where I said = illyrians = albania
so I can spit in your face again Autosomal DNA shows genetic continuity of your whole genome and not just 1/46th. You are not your haplogroup, you are your autosomal DNA. You’re the shqiptar you are due to your autosomal profile
Do not talk to me again, on your knees, worm
bow before your god

>>17810280 (OP)
What datasheet is this supposed to be?

>>17810359
When people speak of their forefathers they speak of their Y chromosomes, direct paternal descent. Aryan societies were all paternalistic. You are feminine in approach. I bet you’re Anglo or French, the two groups of people where half the men are biologically related to their father’s y chromosomes Kek and rekt

>>17810363
I meant NOT related to their fathers. Okay derp

>>17810280 (OP)
most of these are fake samples

>>17810533
They aren’t fake. What a strange thing to say.

>>17810324
Because its not youre forefathers
Its you grandaddy from 30 k years ago

>>17810617
Where exactly are they from? We need to be able to run them as well.

>>17810367
>>17810363
They mean their direct fathers
Not some random from 30k years ago retarded faggot
You sound like a fatherless feminine cuck who project
ADNA matters more
Ydna matters but only for groups and even then its kinda useless

>>17810310
>Balkan native male descent
What's that? The I2 that came from Belarus?

>>17810363
Nigga, I ain't that fella, but the word "forefather" refers to both paternal and maternal male ancestors. My mother's father, my father's mother's father, and my mother's mother's father are all my forefathers, strictly speaking.

>>17810329
Not everything comes from Europe, and the Middle East is not white.

Why.

Because Albania as a country has failed to act like men in any capacity what so ever, and its own “intellectual” base is comprised entirely with a bunch salad eating faggots who desperately want to be politically- correct post nation state French race traitors.

Their neighbors, are a bunch of homicidally jealous Slavs that CANNOT accept the fact that Albanians are the direct descendants of the Illyrians because then they can’t say shit like

“Where is your history you Turkish monkey” at its most basic

And Europeans don’t want to get into because it completely changes the scope of Balkan politics, aka Kosovo, strengthening Albanian unification claims and permanently ending Slavic ones.

However Edi Rama and the rest of Tirana are bunch of Alex Soros Dogs who are actively giving away the country to Italian And now North Slav Pensioners because Fuck You Albania that’s why.

Almost 30 years after communism and Tirana has done everything in its power to not only sell out BUT HUMILIATE the Albanian people.

Worthless people don’t get to talk about their potential cool history.

They get turned into waiters.

>>17810697
Is it related at all to steppe I2?

>>17810280 (OP)
Renaming a Paleo-Balkanite mutt reference into "Illyrian" doesn't work, Shpetimi, you score predominately in non-Illyrian aDNA when modeled accurately. Ghegs are a minority population among the Albanians, but the majority among the diaspora and the Muslim niggers in FYROM and Southern Serbia (what you call KOSOVA).

>>17810875
No.

>History you Turkish monkey
Your history is the submission to Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Ottomans, Venetians, Italians, Germans, and Anglo-Americans, the only authentic thing is organized crime and selling your young women to rural Montenegrins, Serbs, and Macedonians.

>>17810280 (OP)
Albanian Y-DNA is extremely heterogeneous, with Slavic Y-DNA varying from 5% in the sparsely inhabited North to around 19-40% in the densely inhabited territories.

>Europeans don’t want to get into
The only reason we support Albanians is that we don't Slavs to regain control over the whole peninsula, you offer nothing but cheap drugs.

>>17810920
So the Albanians cucked you. Slavic autosomal DNA in Albanians averages 60% while Slavic Y-DNA averages 5%.

The same thing happened with Greeks and Turks cucking you.

>>17810930
Slavic Y-DNA in Albania averages at 20%, whereas auDNA averages at 20-25%, in Greece, Slavic Y-DNA ranges from 20-43%, depending on the mainland region, I know you're a low-IQ Shqiptar retard, but even you must know that the Slavs in Albania were the least numerous, and still conducted a 20% paternity replacement against the masses of "Romans" there. Slavs cucked you, not the other way around.

>Turks
There's zero Anatolian Turkish Y-DNA among Slavs, whereas entire Fis in Albania have their Y-DNA.

>>17810935
You are a low IQ serbshit liar. You said South Slav cuckolds are "Slavic", therefore the Slavic autosomal DNA in Albanians is 70%, which is far more than the 5% Slavic Y-DNA in Albanians.

If you accept that you are not Slavic, but a raped pre-Slavic cuckold raped by Greeks, Germans, Arabs, Turks, Slavs, etc. Then I will define Slavic as proto-Slavic and revise the Slavic autosomal DNA in Albanians to 30% which still far outweighs the 5% Slavic Y-DNA in Albanians.

Either way Slavs were cucked by Albanians who stole their women, whether we define them as majority pre-Slavic mutts like yourself, or the proto-Slavs that cluster with Balts.

>>17810947
What you're defining is irrelevant because you're an assmad, schizophrenic Sqhiptar retard who copes at the fact that several hundred Slavs raped, killed, and expunged tens of thousands of Proto-Albanians and are responsible for 20% of modern-day Albanian Y-DNA. Everything your inferior people is a coping mechanism for the fact that the Slavs took the entire peninsula, hoarding native women for nearly a thousand years and there's nothing you can do about it.

> Slavs were cucked by Albanians
t. 20% Slavic Y-DNA on average, not to mention that Albanians LARP as Illyrians, even though the majority of their Y-DNA is of non-Illyrian origin (Thracian E1b and Slavic I2a and R1a). Your very national ideology is that of a KEK.

>>17810947
You also have the SHORTEST distance to the Anatolian Turks because of very OBVIOUS reasons. Smell you later, shitskin midget.

>>17810914
Oh look a western faggot trying to act tough. Albania is a post Muslim ottoman shithole that was taken over by communists who gave the country to their children they quickly turned it into a run down playground.

What the fuck is your excuse

OH NO JEWS MADE MY SISTER FUCK EVERY SOMALI IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAD TO GIVE MEDIA AND BANKING AND EDUCATION TO JEWS BECAUSE

WE JUST HAD TO OKAY !

No one cares or needs an opinion from scared little western euro boys.

I can and have talked to you people like this. Please go to an Albanian and talk about our “submissive history”.

I bet you won’t……

>>17810960
>70% Slavic autosomal DNA in Albanians > 5% Slavic Y-DNA in Albanians
That's why you don't dare to say what autosomal percentage LMAO. You know your inferior retarded people were slaves their entire existence.

You were raped by Slavs. Then Slav and you assimilated cucks were raped by Albanians.

>>17810971
Which is 20-25%, when modeled properly, matching the national average Y-DNA, but also lower in all of the regions where Slavic Y-DNA exceeds 20%.

>Cucks were raped by Albanians
Projections because you're Illyrian LARPers who are Thraco-Slavic rape-babies. I repeat, over 55% of your Y-DNA is of non-Illyrian origin, making you a KEK RACE. South Slavs, on the other hand, are all majority Slavic Y-DNA and auDNA-wise.

>>17810981
>KEK RACE
Hahaha, that sounds so funny

>>17810981
>Which is 20-25%
No, it's 30% >>17810914 and 25% here.
>matching the national average Y-DNA
Stop lying serbshit. The national average is 2-34 >>17810920 which you yourself admitted. That comes out to 17% and far below the Slavic autosomal DNA in Albanians, because Albanians raped you.
>South Slavs, on the other hand, are all majority Slavic Y-DNA
Yes, because you were raped by them, but most of your ancestry is non-Slavic. Use that same model for South Slavs and you are barely 1/5 Slavic.
>auDNA-wise.
You are pre-Slavic auDNA-wise and got raped by Slavs. Slavs and you assimilated cuckolds were then raped by Arabs, Germans, Greeks, Hungarians, Italians, Persians, Turks, etc.

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.9621% / 0.00962059
40.2 Macedonia_BA
26.8 Turkey_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
21.4 Serbia_Viminacium_Roman.SG
11.6 Turkey_Ottoman

>>17811003
>Slavic rape-babies and modern-day survivors of their rape projecting on their rapist.
This is hilarious, a daily reminder that the vastly outnumbered Slavs REPLACED the vast majority of the native Roman Y-DNA during their migration and that modern-day Albanians, who're 20% Slavic Y-DNA on average, would've been even more Slavic if the recent founder effects didn't affect the Ottoman stooge Ghegs who exploded in numbers thanks to kissing Ottoman feet for 600 years.

> Arabs, Germans, Greeks, Hungarians, Italians, Persians, Turks
Reciting Albanian history.

>>17811025
>vastly outnumbered Slavs
They weren't outnumbered, retarded 80 IQ serbshit. The Balkans was depopulated from Hunnic, Turkic, Avar, Uralic invasions who brought their Slavic slaves with them that raped your ancestors.
>that modern-day Albanians, who're 20% Slavic Y-DNA on average
As well as 40% Slavic autosomal DNA, after having a lot of sex with Slavic women.
>who exploded in numbers thanks to kissing Ottoman feet for 600 years.
Reciting South Slavic history. The resistance to Ottoman rule in the Balkans was entirely Albanian, Hungarian, and Romanian. You were their dog.
>Reciting Albanian history.
Saqaliba Slavic women riding Arab and Persian cocks is not Albanian history. Germany genociding you on two different occasions is not Albanian history. Ottomans raping you and using you is not Albanian history. Slavic women making up most of the prostitutes in the modern Middle East is not Albanian history.

>>17811043
Systematic copes and projections like this are typical for made-up nation-states that only exist because Westerners don't want Slavs controlling all of Southeastern Europe.

>>17811043

>>17811050
History is killing you. Saqaliba Slavic women riding Arab and Persian cocks is not Albanian history. Germany genociding you on two different occasions is not Albanian history. Ottomans raping you and using you is not Albanian history. Slavic women making up most of the prostitutes in the modern Middle East is not Albanian history.

>>17811043
Albanian women are dropping Albanian men for Macedonians, Serbs, and Montenegrins (and Greeks) because Albanians are deranged, inferior subhumans. One more thing, out 22 mtDNA among South Slavs, only 7 are shared at the same frequency with the rest of the Slavs - this is just a continuation of the hoarding of non-Slavic women by the non-Slavs, who unlike Albanians, are still majority Slavic, whereas the non-Illyrian Albanians, are still LARPing about Illyrians while being majority Thraco-Slavic.

>>17811058
History is killing the same people who've conquered and colonized the largest landmass in the world, and kept the majority of what they've conquered and colonized, according to a nation whose women are risking death just to marry Slavs? :)))

>The Balkans was depopulated - This is refuted by DNA and archaeological studies, and by primary sources, it's a coping mechanism of the lesser nation-states around the Slavs to rationalize their massive defeat against the Slavs.

Granted, your extremely low IQ would explain your readiness to spout this, eternal loser syndrome.

>>17811059
>Albanian women are dropping Albanian men for Macedonians, Serbs, and Montenegrins (and Greeks)
>hoarding of non-Slavic women by the non-Slavs
Retardation.
>still LARPing about Illyrians while being majority Thraco-Slavic
Who cares? Albanians cucked your people. Slavs are cucks. South Slavs are the biggest cucks in the world.

>>17811069
>pic
Are you that proud of being dumber than Turks and Kurds? Retarded serbshit.
>History is killing the same people who've conquered and colonized the largest landmass in the world
That would be Western Europeans in North America.
>kept the majority of what they've conquered and colonized
Being taken over by Chinese and Uzbeks as we speak.
>women are risking death just to marry Slavs?
That's the Polish and Ukrainian women marrying Blacks and Pakistanis in Western Europe.

>>17811075
Facts are retardation, according to the same people who exhibit an 88% lack of basic written comprehension skills.

>Albanians cucked your people
Slavs cucked the Albanians, otherwise you wouldn't be here. Several hundred Slavs are responsible for 20% of modern-day Albanian Y-DNA, nothing you do can change that.

>Slavs are cucks
Slavic admixture among nearby non-Slavs is identical to the intrusion of non-Slavic Y-DNA, thus why Hungarians, Moldovans, Romanians, and Northern Greeks are between 40-60% Slavic. Mind you, these lands were the focus of the Slavic Migration, whereas little Albania was dominated by several hundred Slavs, hence 20% Slavic Y-DNA.

>South Slavs
Are the reason why you're 20% Slavic Y-DNA-wise, why Greeks are 20-43% Slavic Y-DNA-wise, and why Romanians and Moldovans are 40-60% Slavic Y-DNA.

>Who cares
You do, and so do all other Albanian "men".

>>17811083
>Are you that proud
This comes from the same people who have an 88% inability to comprehend written information, which is the only reason why we're having this discussion.

>That would be Western Europeans
The colonizing effort didn't belong to the same panethnicity, the majority of the USA's colonization was accomplished by the French, not the English.

>As we speak
This comes from the same country which belongs to the West and doesn't have sovereignty in any form.

>Marrying Blacks and Pakistanis in Western Europe
In Germany and the UK, Albanians are among the top intermixing-friendly groups, and it's mostly women who do that.

>>17811094
>Several hundred Slavs are responsible for 20% of modern-day Albanian Y-DNA
Several million Slavic women are responsible for 60% of modern-day Albanian autosomal DNA, nothing you do can change that.
>Slavic admixture among nearby non-Slavs
It all comes from Slavic women.
>Northern Greeks are between 40-60% Slavic
Yes they cucked you slaves.
>why Greeks are 20-43% Slavic Y-DNA-wise
Only Northern Greeks have that much and they're 60% Slavic autosomally they cucked you too. Central and Southern Greeks are 2% Slavic Y-DNA.

>>17811111
Slavic autosomes 20-25%>>17810981 when modeled accurately - EVEN in the regions where Slavic Y-DNA exceeds 30%.

>It all comes from Slavic women.
Y-DNA is from men, not women.

>Yes they cucked you
By having 20-43% Slavic Y-DNA, to the point that at least one Slavic Y-DNA forms a primary lineage in the majority of mainland Greece, the Slavs were the ones KEKING the Greeks, not vice-versa, just like in Albania.

>They're 60% Slavic autosomally
40% at most.

"Central and Southern Greeks are 2% Slavic Y-DNA
The Peloponnese is more than 35% Slavic Y-DNA, and Central Greece ranges from 20-25%,

>>17810617
they are fake actually, they're amateur samples from god knows where
the strange thing is posting them here

>>17811118
Fun fact, the author of this map, Passa (a long-time contributor from Anthrogenica), had to put E1b instead of I2a for Thessaloniki because he didn't want the "Slavic effect" to be even more apparent, even though E1b and I2a have the same percentage. It's based on all studies and FTDNA results till 2016, the I2a in the mainland is in its entirety I2a1b-Din.

>>17810280 (OP)
g25 is an amateur tool make by some polish dude

>>17811122

>>17810914
>>17810280 (OP)
>>17810981
you're wasting your time spamming these meme samples from twitter

the samples are not present in the database, they're of dubious provenance
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

>>17811129
I'm using scaled averages, the Shqiptarid is using bullshit stuff.

South slavs are only about 50-60% slavic paternally. You are rapebaby mutts that are the result of slavoid settlers being cucked into extinction

>>17811140
It's the opposite.

>>17811145
50-60% is just the average, if you take certain regions into account like Southern Serbia it can be as low as 30%. You’re a rapebaby mongrel

Why do shiptardgolems have subsaharan tier IQ and the lowest PISA scores in Europe? Also why are they manlets with brown eyes and black hair? And why have they contributed no scientific progress to humanity and are instead known for smuggling CACAlombian low quality cuckaine up their anus like zesty ahh homo thugs? Very pathetic, they should either be deported to Africa or simply exterminated because they don't deserve the status of Europeans. Pathetic ROFLOLMFAO!!!

>>17811170
How does this incomprehensible seething rant disprove that you’re a rapebaby mutt from conquered slav(e)s that were raped into extinction by balkan bvlls?

You're coping and projecting because you're brown retarded inbred manlet mutt imported from the Caucasus.

>>17811188
>>17811402

>>17811069
NTA but slavs are known to be cucks who sell their women to everybody in the world

>>17811122
Lumping all I together, all J2 together, all R1b together and so on does not illustrate historical ancestry, if you wanted to estimate Slavic, Paleobalkan, Anatolian and so on admixture you should aggregate specific clades associated with each group.

North Albanians are First Milennia Dardanians that absorbed Vlachs (Romanized Illyrians) and probably some unchanged and preserved Southern Illyrians.

Southern Albanians are Southern Illyrians+Dardanians+Vlachs+Macedonians+Epirotes+Slavs.

All these paleo balkan groups mixed from the Hellenistic age to the Roman conquering of the Balkans and Greece, and then as the provincial units of Macedonia, Epirus, and Illyricvm.