Why is our government so annoying and bloated today, historically speaking, that its laws and agents are getting in the way of everything even down to the individual level? I thought our Founders revolted against this sort of thing in the first place? What happened, /his/?

the people who already control you and won the top 1% have no interest in changing the system

congress actively votes to take power away from itself so politicians never have to make a difficult decision in government so they don't lose their jobs and then the party runs damage control for them in the government controlled media talking about how good of a boy they are.

>>17811411
But when did American society or "the system" as you refer it, become dramatically Matthew Principled? To where the have nots are ruled now like, a sort of cattle?

>>17811411
It's like the average American doesn't even matter it's just another property or asset to capitalists, to be controlled and abused.

>>17811422
Large power plays were already being made in the US's infancy concerning things like large land sales and resource access. The northern industrial interests which wanted to create a new british empire wanted to crush the ideological forefathers that write the US constitution because it hindered their ability to accrue wealth. The Northeast was perfectly content never expanding, and when they did, like into new york, they went batshit insane and adopted the ideology of crazed schizo religious nuts from the countryside which called for war.

>>17811436
Oh also, these huge industrial interests that eventually caused the civil war and then took over the world in the 1890's are the people responsible for globohomo and open borders

Profess socialist humanitarianism while actually seeing nothing but dollar signs, that is that american empire

>>17811446
I thought this happened with mainly T.R. and Wilson being the 1st "progressive" types but you're telling me this happened way back then?

>>17811453
oh hoh yeah, the modern conservitard talking points about wilson are waaaay off. While wilson was a tool of the system, literally chosen as a candidate because he was a pushover, the US was essentially falling apart immediately after the signing of the constitution. The competing interests were financial and ideological.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_and_Virginia_Resolutions

>>17811457
I see..

>>17811407 (OP)
>I thought our Founders revolted against this sort of thing in the first place?
Wrong. The modern U.S. government is Alexander Hamilton's dream. He won.

>>17811460
It's the nature of a system for it to break down, but to believe the happy go lucky founding myth is wrong, our founders were beating the shit out of each other until their deaths and their legacies, especially the ideology of the south, is basically all that keeps the country together despite being the source of multiple secession crises.

the modern lie you're taught in school was literally created in the 1880's/1890's by imperialists that needed a way to brainwash irish street urchin children imported for cheap labor

>>17811465
What I also find very interesting is that almost all of the Federalists were themselves, Freemasons, I wonder if that has anything to do with how the nation turned out..

>>17811473
freemasonry is a red herring for retarded catholics, albert pike was head of a dying decrepit organization that he tried to rekindle in the face of american imperialism

You thought those millionaire landowners and gentry fought a revolution so the average man on the street didn't need to fill in 27 forms and get 4 stamps from 3 different government agencies to open a lemonade stand? Lol. Lmao even.

>>17811485
American colonial taxes were nearly 30 times lower than British taxes

>>17811422
Two major events happened:
1. The Union won the Civil War, which caused the U.S. government to become more centralized than ever before as the concept of American identity pertaining to local state oriented communities shattered and was replaced with being under the U.S. government itself as marker of identity. (In other words it used to be state first, u.s. gov second. Now it’s u.s. gov first, state second)
2. The U.S. entering WW1 and then WW2 allowed the already centralized branches of government to form a military industrial complex that called for even greater centralization to maintain itself.

>>17811407 (OP)
Tree of Liberty went too long without being watered.

Also, Tocqueville and Franklin's warnings about letting in Continental Europeans into the nation weren't heeded.

>>17811486
How much tax did the founding fathers pay once they were in charge?

>>17811489
it's literally just the birth of american imperialism. The federalists were imperialists with close financial ties to britian, even married to brits, and they heavily relied on the wealth from trade with britian. They desired nothing more than to be as great as britian. Southerners were more divorced from that idea of greatness especially considering they were an extractionary colony that the crown filled with niggers

Being more worldly the ideology of the south mirrors the blut and boden ideology of the germans where the destiny of the racew would be forged in the settlement of the vast terrain of the US. While the north wanted to sit in their port cities and tariff

>>17811422
>>17811407 (OP)
>>17811489
The constitutional republic set up by the Founding Fathers was ultimately too weak to maintain its own system; it’s the inevitable downside of orienting your branches off of curbing powers rather than maintaining its own powers. The U.S. has always teetered from danger of full autocracy via presidential executive powers and being commander in chief to danger of full oligarchy through lobbying in congress, to the point where we now have a weird uniparty mix of both where the lobbying has gotten out of control and the presidents will use their executive powers to enact the interests of their lobbies even if the interests are unconstitutional.

>>17811511
Rather lincoln launching an illegal war without approval of congress is why Trump is allowed to unilaterally bomb other sovereign nations

>>17811511
If I was Polybius, which I'm not, I would say this nation has very much degenerated.

>>17811520
As long as everybody keeps putting their faith in the wheel of american imperialism it will keep rolling

these are the people that justify conquest legally by saying "it feels right" while pretending to be the most enlightened nation on the planet

>>17811513
Yes, and Lincoln was able to do this because as president he was commander in chief and had full support of the military. Dissenters had their homes burned down by Union troops and publishing news articles criticizing Lincoln would cause your paper to be removed from such publication. The system of having the president be commander in chief made this a possibility at all.

>>17811529
rather it's the states' right to raise their own military to meet such a despot in the field
https://youtu.be/BKN9diiXAis?list=RDBKN9diiXAis