I have long believed I am spiritually highly developed. In another thread someone called me a beginner. He didn't elaborate. I'm not sure whether I believe that. But if it's true, can you, if you think you have much knowledge about spirit, teach me? I need more knowledge, thank you for the effort.

>>17812292 (OP)
>spiritually highly developed
what does this even mean?

>>17812299
I believe I have deeper insight into reality than others. Much deeper insight.

>>17812301
Share some of your deep insights with us then, Anon.

>>17812345
With pleasure. I have found that the wiser you get, the better you make people feel. 2) meditation and samadhi are absolutely necessary to become enlightened 3) enlightenment is seeing reality as it truly is. It's not difficult to describe, but difficult to reach. You need utmost fervour for enlightenment and god and truth. 4) never lie. Not as a joke, no white lies, no. never lie. 5) this isn't insight I have found, but it's something to contemplate. God, well god is real that's fact but I implore you to contemplate different views and see which one is right. 6) the path towards god means you stop thinking with volition. This means you don't actively think, thoughts just come to you by themselves. This is said to be a higher path in yoga. 7) prayer cleans the heart.
(I hope you like what I said, if not, then that's ok.)

>>17812382
>1) I have found that the wiser you get, the better you make people feel.
That's great wisdom Anon
>2) Meditation and samadhi are absolutely necessary
What is "meditation" to you?
>3) Enlightenment is seeing reality as it truly is
Of course. Anything else would be delusion. It's very important to see the truth
>4) Never lie
Lies are of the devil, that is wise
>5) God, well god is real that's fact but I implore you to contemplate different views and see which one is right.
Many people hold different meanings of the word "God", so I find this hard to discuss
>6) The path towards god means you stop thinking with volition.
What did you mean by this? Can you explain further please.

>>17812382
>new age nonsense
No, you are not very spiritually developed at all.

>>17812445
What was "New Age" about what he said?

>>17812438
Meditation is the simple act of turning the mind inwards. This can be done sitting, lying down, standing, or walking. As long as your mind is turned inwards whether onto an imagined object, sound, or whatever else, it's meditation. Non-volitional thinking is simply put the stopping of all thoughts that come from your purposeful thinking. If you desire to think, and then think, that is volitional thinking. It's honestly hard to describe I think, I'm esl. Just that imagine your mind is like a machine. Non-volitional thinking is turning off that machine. I personally do not think anymore except when thoughts come by themselves, or rarely when it is needed for rituals.

>>17812445
You throw that around but you don't know what you saw in my post. It's not new age. It's entirely based on my own research, experience, and thoughts. New age is a set of cultural ideas and a spiritual paradigm. I have no connection, on purpose, to that paradigm. I don't read new age books, I don't quote them, I don't feel interested in them.

>>17812382
>basic bitch mysticism
Come on, you forgot to preach asceticism.

>>17812489
inb4 you refuse to elaborate on what is so bad about mysticism & asceticism.

>>17812489
Right. Asceticism is basic and crucial for everything divine. Basic bitch? What's so bad about being basic? The easiest answer is often the best one.

>>17812382
>enlightenment is seeing reality as it truly is.
To say that islam has the best conception of God requires doing the exact opposite of looking at reality. You're not looking at reality, you're looking at your own thoughts and impressions.
>never lie. Not as a joke, no white lies, no. never lie
This type of ridiculously dogmatic stance, for example, is that of people who simply haven't lived much. If you truly said no lie at all, you would run quickly into severe problems, and you know it.
>I hope you like what I said
Could you write something even more effeminate?

>>17812506
>Being effeminate is somehow bad
Bro when you project like this it is very cringe-inducing

>>17812506
That is just what I currently think, I might change my view later. You don't know it better than me anyhow, you're guessing too. The truth could however be something similar to the Islamic conception. Number two. You don't need to lie. You can twist words and play with meaning a lot which is what I do. Also lying by omission isn't real so I very very often just omit stuff when I talk. It's difficult, yes, but it's right. Lying is never the only option as I have seen.

>>17812524
Which of those is true?
1)The sahih hadith which claims Muhammad married Aisha at 6 and fucked her at 9 is incorrect.
2)The hadith is correct but fucking 9yo girls is not immoral.
3)Muhammad knew fucking 9yo girls is immoral but did it anyway.
4)Muhammad didn't know fucking 9yo girls is immoral.

>>17812575
I do not like to indulge in vulgar, or insulting talk like that sorry.

>>17812524
>You don't know it better than me anyhow, you're guessing too
Which thing? I am indeed acquainted with islam more than you. How many times have you read the Qur'an? Did you like it?
>You don't need to lie. You can twist words and play with meaning a lot which is what I do. Also lying by omission isn't real so I very very often just omit stuff when I talk
Oh I see, you're not lying, you're just "twisting words and playing with meaning". You have one thing in common with the Qur'an's author.

>>17812524
>You don't need to lie. You can twist words and play with meaning a lot which is what I do. Also lying by omission isn't real so I very very often just omit stuff when I talk
This is just childish. There's very little difference between lying and speaking with the intent to mislead someone. The point of lying is to avoid telling someone the truth or to make someone believe an untruth, which is the same thing that you attempt to do when you twist words and play with meaning.

>>17812579
It's funny that you're pear clutching over "vulgarity" while endorsing a religion whose final prophet supposedly had sex with a 9 years old girl.

>>17812575
Christianity is superior because Jesus could do that and just be forgiven. Muhammad's problem is that the "perfect man" heroic archetype is much more primitive and harder to live up to.

>>17812580
Lol man. Yeah, twisting words without lying is an art. As I said, there is always a second option to lying. And I have literally witnessed that. Is twisting words a sin, or is lying the sin? I think you know the answer. Ok, you know Islam better than me I can accept that. I read like one third or one fourth of the coran in English while listening to the Arabic on YouTube. Which thing: the idea that god is a solitary, unitary being beyond time and space.

>>17812596
There's no clear distinction. When you're asked "When did you last see Jim?" and you haven't seen him for a year, does the sinfulness (or lack thereof) of answering "I saw him yesterday" depend on whether you're silently thinking "haha I saw a photo of him on facebook yesterday so I technically saw him" while you're giving said answer?

>>17812583
I think this is a good argument however I try to not mislead people, I try to omit something. Hiding and misleading are not the same thing. If I say I have a car, and I have a blue car, I didn't mislead you. If you assumed I have a green car then that's your fault not mine. But yeah misleading on purpose could be a sin if you put it that way. I think you're right.

>>17812607
I have used this type of thing in the past but I'm slowly moving away from that type of stuff. It's not really sinful, in my opinion, as opposed to lying, but it's deceptive and not good so I think I agree with you on that.

>>17812611
>If I say I have a car, and I have a blue car, I didn't mislead you.
Nobody would call this a lie of omission, and you're probably not deliberately trying fo hide the fact that your car is blue from me.

>>17812613
There's no meaningful difference between this and lying. In the example I gave, you are attempting to communicate a falsehood (that you actually met Jim yesterday).

>>17812524
>lying by omission isn't real so I very very often just omit stuff when I talk
Satan be like:

>>17812596
If you're so obsessed with discovering the truth here's one: islam was originally a christian-noahide movement. I strongly recommend these three youtube channels to get a decent idea of things: Proto-Socialism for Edom (Messianic Hebrews), Quranic Inquisition (with JC & Kash), islamic origins. They have extremely interesting things to say about the Qur'an and history (including shias).

>>17812631
No, no, I know nowadays there's a looot of stuff from non-muslims talking about supposedly discovering new infos about early Islam but most of that is just nonsense as I have learned so and how could a non-muslim even understand Islam better than all Muslims combined come on man no.

>>17812640
>supposedly discovering new infos about early Islam
Yes indeed. A lot of things, and we just keep discovering more. I know it's hard to look at the truth when it threatens your worldview, it was also difficult for me when I was still a convert, but it's a big part of what made me leave islam. The Qur'an is a messianic christian-jewish scripture, I have zero doubt on that.

>>17812652
Hm ok well. To each his own I guess.

>>17812652
Ok so tell me some facts that you came across.

>>17812666
For example, the fact that the Qur'an opposes a tritheistic heresy that was popular at the time, and not the actual Trinity (read Peter von Sivers, David Bertaina). The fact that the "Muhammad" (meaning "the praised one", a title for God and not a man) verses in the Qur'an actually fit Jesus quite well (have fun translating 47:2 with correct tenses, it's 100% textbook christian doctrine). The fact that the Qur'an does not even actually deny Jesus' divine sonship (read Geoffrey Parrinder, Abdulla Galadari, Ignazio Di Matteo, RC Zaehner), rather adoptionism, monophysitism and arianism. The fact that the Qur'an clearly assumes its audience is familiar enough with Bible stories and literally confirms its authenticity and authority. Or Qur'an (qeryana) meaning a christian lectionary in syriac. Or the fact that all the Qur'an's arguments against polytheism somehow manage to never be relevant to the orthodox Trinity. Or the early islamic coins showing christian motifs. Or the Light Verse being a perfect metaphor for the Trinity. There's so much more, I can barely manage to keep track these days.