>so we don't actually have any concrete evidence for the holocaust
How did he get away with it?

>>17813957 (OP)
he is unironically based 200 iq geo politics teacher

Based chinese and their unflinching honesty and dedication to frankness

>>17813957 (OP)
What he meant was that there was no evidence that concrete was used in the Holocaust.

>>17813957 (OP)
When you're Chinese they let you do it.


The crazy thing about this guy is he has the right methodology but the wrong input.
He says America, Israel, and Iran will start a war because all three parties want that, but he forgot to factor in the chickenshit paradigm, whereby Trump doesn't want to institute a draft because it's untenable and Iran doesn't want war because they're just trying to keep their shithole afloat. So instead we'll have eternal sissy bitchfights where both side pretends it's super cereal this time but it'll only ever be firing slow moving rockets at empty military bases.

>>17813957 (OP)
Grok told me that Wannsee Protocol is the most concrete evidence for the holocaust.
I looked into it, and it never mentions eradication, only deportation to work abroad. It even allows old jews to stay in Altersghetto
> Neben diesen Altersklassen - von den am 31.10.1941 sich im Altreich und der Ostmark befindlichen etwa 280.000 Juden sind etwa 30 % über 65 Jahre alt - finden in den jüdischen Altersghettos weiterhin die schwerkriegsbeschädigten Juden und Juden mit Kriegsauszeichnungen (EK I)
and the most radical measure in that protocol is the sterilization of mischlings so they are allowed to stay in Germany to live among germans.

>>17815747
And it also mentioned Einsatzgruppen reports.
But I couldn't find where I can look into them online.
Can somebody help me with that?

>>17813957 (OP)
Do the naziboos acknowledge that Germans were actively _destroying_ the evidence? Like Auschwitz documentation or the sites of camps located in Germany proper?
>hahaha, you have no evidence, checkmate (pay no attention that we have just burned it all)
>We will hang you all nevertheless fucktards kek

>>17815890
Were they though?
It's the Germans we're discussing.
Even if they did, naturally some documentation would be preserved by private contractors.

>>17815896
There exist documentation of one-way railroad traffic to the concentration camps.

>>17815899
Naturally, they were not allowed to leave camps until the war. Yet naturally there was two-way railroad traffic, because the personal were.

>>17815890
>hahaha you have no evidence that I was cooking my accounting books (despite countless witnesses claiming so); I have just burned them all!
>what are going to do about it?

>>17815902
>until the war
until the war's end.
But in the PROTOKOLL DER WANNSEE-KONFERENZ there is "bei Freilassung"

>>17815902
Moron, don't waste my time. We are talking about hundreds of thousands going in and disappearing - NOT leaving the camps after the war.

>>17815905
>countless witnesses
from the infamously dishonest group of people

>>17815910
>hundreds of thousands
oh wow! that is some denialism

>>17815923
revisionism is the word

>>17815923
No, that is the number supported by actual, proven _evidence_.
No one but you fucktards has ever claimed that six millions of Jews were murdered _in the concentration camps_.
Railroad documentation _proves_ systematic, organized genocide; numbers must be estimated by different means.

>>17815930
>fine ballpoint pens not available until 1951
>Diary of a Young Girl published in 1947

This means that either they published it before they wrote it, or that stormfaggots lie as easily as they breathe.

Do stormfags realise that the only way to account for the millions of people (including Jews, Soviet POWs, Polish civilians etc) who entered the camps and never went out is that either they were murdered there, or they were abducted by aliens?
Do stormfags find it easier to believe in aliens rather than in a planned effort to kill those people?

>>17816047
>who entered the camps and never went out is that either they were murdered there, or they were abducted by aliens?
or died of natural causes, or escaped, or left not by train, or (what most of them believe) never existed.
The fact that the denial is considered felony is one of the most eloquent arguments.

>>17816168
They faked all those Jewish communities that had been in places like Thessaloniki for thousands of years huh?

>>17816192
It wouldn't surprise me that they faked a lot.
It would surprise me even less if they all moved to the United States instead.

>>17816198
So they did exist but moved to America without anyone noticing a sudden massive increase in the population?

>>17816201
Some people noticed that it's about when the things went down.

Deniers are like children or retards. It's pretty much impossible to even take them seriously.
They don't post sources, they don't post evidence. They basically just post their own fantasies and say they make sense in their minds.

>>17815953
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution
>It says 6 million
>>17816229
>They basically just post their own fantasies
see >>17815917
If you keep shoving this shit in people's faces, even if it did actually take place, they're gonna memoryhole it. Ration the sympathy that you're gonna get. The silent goyim majority's patience is being stretched thin.

>>17816220
>starts to plateau and fall from 1940
Huh?

>>17816246
>see
See what? You have nothing, you post some irrelevant crap meanwhile you cannot post a single relevant document mentioning the fate of Jews after they were "processed" by the Operation Reinhard camps. Not a single one.

>you
More childish schizo nonsense. I'm no a Jew. Start discussing like a fucking adult.

>>17816254
nigger youre on 4chan, remember that

>>17816261
I know, but this is not /b/ or /pol/. I expect a high level of discourse.

>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.'

>>17816267
*fart* piss piss pee pee poo poo piss shit.

>>17815747
bro don't you get it they were using coded language, "deportation" was code for mass killings

>>17816291
> Stanisława Leszczyńska, a Polish midwife, was incarcerated at the Auschwitz concentration camp during World War II, where she delivered over 3,000 children.

>>17815747
He's talking about the German Jews.

>only deportation to work abroad.
>In the course of the final solution, and under appropriate supervision, the Jews are to be utilised for work in the East in a suitable manner. In large labour columns, separated by sex, the Jews capable of working will be dispatched to these regions to build roads.
You mean this?

You should read the entire document:
>State Secretary Dr B ü h l e r declared that the General Government would welcome it if the final solution of this question were to begin in the General Government
Which happened.
>Moreover, the majority of the around 2 ½ million Jews in question are unfit for work.

So, what happened with the majority of GG Jews deported to the East if most of them were unfit for work?
1.5 million (majority) until the end of 1942.

>>17816302
Most of them died and they weren't Jewish. Also, the number is probably made up. The whole story sounds like a sensationalist slop.

>>17816254
You're a jew. A goyim wouldn't get so worked up over the holocaust, sorry.

>>17816306
>Most of them died
Naturally, since they were born more than eighty years ago. I understand, that it's not what you meant to say when you made up what you said.

>>17816307
>says the guy who spends every waking moment thinking about the holocaust

>>17816312
>Naturally, since they were born more than eighty years ago.
No, according to Leszczynska herself.

>Jewish children were still drowned in the most brutal fashion. There was no way to hide a Jewish child or put him or her among other children. Schwester Klara and Schwester Pfani observed Jewish mothers very closely during the delivery. The newborn was tattooed with the number of the mother; afterwards Klara and Pfani drowned the child in the barrel and threw the body outside.
>The life of other children was the worst; they died from a slow starvation. Their skins become thin and transparent, with muscles, blood vessels and bones seen through the skin. Newborn Russians survived the longest. 50% of all women were from Russia.

>Only thirty of them survived the camp. Several hundred children were send to Germany to grow up as Germans, more than 1,500 were drowned by Schwester Klara and Pfani, more than 1,000 children died because of cold and starvation (the numbers do not include the period to April 1943).
Good job Auschwitz maternity ward. 1% survival rate.

>>17813957 (OP)
He really said that? Link

>>17816984
Watch this thread: all the evidence in favor of holocaust is hear-say: there are documents about children born in concentration camps, but on the other hand you have only some stories, which may be true or not, but can not be considered concrete evidence.

here, I managed to make an ai blurt it
(meat historians may want to independently fact-check it)

The crematoria at Auschwitz-Birkenau were coke-fired ovens, not gas or electric, according to Topf & Sons plans and SS operational records.

SS Supply Records (1942–1944): Auschwitz-Birkenau operational logs, archived at the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, document coke deliveries to the camp. A 1943 requisition order lists 3.5–6 tons daily for Crematoria II–V during peak use (e.g., Hungarian deportations, May–July 1944). These supplies came from the Reichswerke Hermann Göring steelworks in Silesia, per a 1942 SS contract, and local Polish coal mines (e.g., Jaworzno), as noted in a 1943 transport schedule.
Production Capacity: A 1943 SS industrial report estimates Silesian coke output at 1,000 tons daily, with 0.5–1% allocated to Auschwitz based on priority orders. The camp’s proximity to coal-rich Upper Silesia (50–100 km) facilitated regular rail deliveries, documented in a 1944 logistics memo.
Quantity Check: For 4,756 bodies daily (Topf & Sons capacity), each requiring 50–100 kg of coke (per a 1943 Topf efficiency study), the total need is 238–476 tons daily. The 3.5–6 tons logged suggests overloading or supplementary methods (e.g., open pits), as the recorded amount covers only 15–25% of the theoretical demand, indicating possible underreporting or alternative disposal.

>>17817566
>the recorded amount covers only 1.5–2.5% of the theoretical demand
ai is surprisingly bad at math sometimes
(either way, it's a great instrument, but you still have to double-check it. So I wonder if the other numbers are accurate)
See, these tiny details are where the truth eventually and inevitably slips through.
They could make up unrealistic numbers of coke production, but it would raise questions on the other level, etc.

>>17813957 (OP)
He misspoke, he meant that we don't have concrete evidence Hitler ordered the Holocaust which is true. Whether the Nazis intended to exterminate all Jews from the beginning or simply keep them as slave workers in munitions factories is still up for debate. Certainly it would have been impossible for Nazi Germany to genocide all Jews globally. A significant amount of Jews lived in the United States and what will become Israel at the time.

>>17817936
Speculation. Meanwhile..
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QkYnESi59TXt

>>17817566
Up to 400,000 prisoners were being kept in Auschwitz complex at the same and 52 ovens being were used there. Assuming very high (but still "normal") mortality of 20 deaths per 1000 individuals per year one may expect 8000 deaths per year in Auschwitz, that is 22 deaths per day. Two ovens would have been entirely sufficient to cremates 22 bodies daily, even assuming modern, humanitarian procedures. Germans build 52 ovens there, instead of two.
As to the coke usage - witnesses operating the ovens stated that oven fire was being sustained by body fats with little use of actual coke.
>…we used the coke only to light the fire of the furnace initially, for fatty bodies burned of their own accord thanks to the combustion of the body fat. On occasion, when coke was in short supply, we would put some straw and wood in the ash bins under the muffles, and once the fat of the body began to burn the other bodies would catch light themselves.
>Women’s bodies burned much better and more quickly than those of men. For this reason, when a charge was burning badly, we would introduce a woman’s body to accelerate the combustion. Generally speaking, we burned four or five bodies at a time in one muffle, but sometimes we charged a greater number of bodies. It was possible to charge up to eight 'Muselmanns.'

>>17818151
>witnesses operating the ovens stated that oven fire was being sustained by body fats with little use of actual coke.
Those kikes must have been extremely fat.
Why even have ovens, if the meat can incinerate itself?

>>17818151
Auschwitz's peak population was like 100,000 and this covered a several hundred mile radius of dozens of sub camps where workers were leased out. When the soviets were advancing 60,000 were evacuated

>>17818158
It can't without an oven.

>>17818160
I assumed the highest population which could be accommodated in this 40 camps complex. Any number lower that 400,000 makes this _worse_ for naziboos - and additional ovens more redundant.

>>17818167
It can't. period. I dare you to try. Tell us how much time it takes (rotting is burning too, sure, but then it definitely can do it without an oven. So here we come again, why even have ovens?
Those 52 ovens were probably used to keep those 400 000 kikes warm in the winters, which is extremely effective.

>>17818191
Fuck off

>>17818177
What do you mean? isn't proving they were all massive hundred mile work camps kind of make everybody crying about them look stupid?

>>17818207
>isn't proving they were all massive hundred mile work camps
What are you babbling about even. "Proving" what wikipedia article states with sources? YOU are "proving" something here?

>>17818207
You fucking imbeciles only "prove" time and time again that you don't have the slightest fucking idea what the mainstream historiography says about the subject. And that you only watch pictures about it in your "infographics" kek

>>17818198
Hände hoch

lol

>>17818254
you gunna cry?

>>17816283
The word they translate to 'extermination' in german is ausrottung, it's a word we have in swedish aswell. You could use it to mean deroot or unroot, which makes sense in the context of 'evacuation'.

>>17816319
Why tattoo a number on a baby if you're going to drown them?

>>17813957 (OP)
what did you think about his operation barbarossa take? he seems to glaze stalin and putin.

>>17818276
Removing weeds would have been Unkraut ausrotten. If you remove plants from the ground they die - and he didn't say that he wants to "transplant", "replant", or "move" them somewhere else. He specified the meaning of his Judenevakuierung with Ausrottung.