>Adam Riess, who won a Nobel Prize for the shocking discovery that the expansion of universe is accelerating, due to Dark Energy. But now he thinks that the theory must be wrong. The article warned about scientists talking of revolution. A growing number now say that the ‘standard model of cosmology’ should be replaced. Adam Riess is among them.

Common "rational" materialist L.
Darkmatter-truthers and religious bros, we finally won.

>>17815650 (OP)
Uh okay, what if Adam Riess is wrong now? You're saying he was wrong before, so why would you believe him now?

>>17815650 (OP)
well fuk.

>>17815650 (OP)
As a dark matter denier, you win nothing religion cuck

>>17815650 (OP)
>we finally won
I won the moment I trusted in Jesus to save me. I don't care about the vagaries of scientific fashion. Evolution has been mathematically disproven, yet scientists still preach it. But what do you expect? The world hates God. Grow up.

>>17815663
Religion fags have no consistent positions

>>17815650 (OP)
post yfw when scientology requires less invisible spooky ghosts to make its description of reality work than modern "science".

>>17815671
>The flood didn't happen
So those seashells on mountaintops just walked there? Idiot.
>Evolution happened.
No, it didn't.
1. Best case scenario for our supposed split from chimp is 17 billion years ago.
2. Atheist cosmology claims the universe is 13 billion years old, and that the earth didn't exist at that time.
3. And that's just since we split from chimps.
>fags
1. The fact you believe in evolution makes it extremely likely that you watch tranny porn. Evidence: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17810199/
2. Enjoy Hell.

>>17815676

>>17815667
You believe that you have a mere 80ish years on earth until eternal nothingness and yet you choose to preach nihilism on a 4chan board?

>>17815677
Shut up you retarded faggot.

>>17815677
>1. Best case scenario for our supposed split from chimp is 17 billion years ago.
>2. Atheist cosmology claims the universe is 13 billion years old, and that the earth didn't exist at that time.
>3. And that's just since we split from chimps.
Excuse me, I accidentally deleted a point while editing my post. That 17 billion figure is using fixation rates only ever observed in certain viruses, and has never been observed in mammals.

>>17815677
>those seashells on mountains
from when mountains were at the bottom of the ocean, since you know they gradually rose up due to tetonic plate activity

>>17815681
4chan is the genesis of internet culture, the godjaks and atheist memes we post here will bleed out to the public through X and other channels and will stop zoomers and gen alpha from falling for christfaggot lies.

Humiliating christcucks on 4chan is literally a social good that saves children from you groomers.

>>17815650 (OP)

>>17815684
It’s ok, you’re a retard and your point makes no sense anyway lol

>>17815683
>midwit
Nope. 0/1
>can't defend beliefs
Nope. 0/2
>stereotypes aren't true
Nope. 0/3
>No original thoughts
I'll give you half a point, since most of my arguments and beliefs come either from the Bible or from other people. 0.5/4
>strawmans opponents
Nope. 0.5/5
>Worships shitskins, wants them to replace whites.
Nope. 0.5/6
>Treats their beliefs as dogma
Again I'll award half a point, because it depends on how autistic you want to be with your phrasing. 1/7
Your final score: 1/7 (14.29%)
Prognosis: Jesus Derangement Syndrome.
>>17815688
>The universe? Billions of years
>Life on earth? Billions of years
>Speciation? Billions of years
>the shells? Billions of years
You queers are such a broken record.

>>17815703
Total meltdown LMAO

why are christfags so emotional and feminine?

ITT: highschool dropout discusses astrophysics and biology

>>17816085
>reeeeeeeee!

>>17815703
>Billions of years
Right, so this is totally consistent when the world is billions of years old

>>17816228
>totally consistent
Yes, consistently retarded.

Yep science will admit it's mistakes and seek the truth

Meanwhile theistfags will lie and deflect and keep holding on to falsehoods just to preserve their worship of jewish deities

>>17815650 (OP)
>Scientists get things wrong sometimes and self correct.
>This means we shouldn't trust them, rather we should trust people who never admit they are wrong because they believe they possess absolute truth.
Is this the fault of the public schools or the parents?

>>17816907
The King James Bible bats 1000. Science is less reliable than a coin flip.

>>17816915
I would assume if you went back in time and talked to the translators of the KJB, they would be shocked that you consider it a perfect translation, being that it was a compromise between the puritan and episcopal factions of the Church of England, and one that mostly favored the Episcopal faction. Most puritans and other protestants favored other translations after it came out.

>>17816915
The King James is a demonic mistranslated version of the holy scripture; commissioned and financed by a wicked serial adulterer. Enjoy Hell. ;)

>science is revised as new knowledge is obtained
>this is a fault
Starting to think /pol/ is retarded.

>>17816940
Starting to think the nobel academy is retarded and muh peer review is lip service.

>>17816428
and yet despite how much screeching you do, you can never disprove it

>>17816935
holy fucking based

>>17815676
Ironic.

I still believe in invisible spooky ghosts, though. They talk to me at night.

>>17815671
>Evolution happened
Name 1 documented case

Actually, a wizard did it

>>17817137
this explanation accounts for all observed data

>>17817102
sciencedirect com/science/article/pii/S016953472300229X

>>17817157
Fail

>>17817102
dog breeds

>>17817227
All the same species just like us humans and niggers and that is consensus science you tranny chud.

>>17817227
just degenerated forms of the Dire Wolf due to domestication though, aren't they? Not exactly "Evolved" species.

>>17816935
>>17817086
>Jesus is demonic
Those flames just got hotter. Tick tock!
>>17817227
>I don't know my own religion
How very.
>>17817056
>you can never disprove it
Sure I can:
>The Bible is the perfect word of God
>It clearly teaches that the earth was made less than 10,000 years ago
>10,000 is several order of magnitude less than billions of years
>Therefore, you're going to Hell
Any questions?

>>17817274
>Any questions?
Yes, what diameter is your cock ring?

>>17817274
>the bible is the perfect word of god
>has hordes of different versions because christians can't actually agree on what it means
>also has to compete with other religious text with the only arguement being they are just wrong because they are without any proof
>can't even prove its own claims
seems like a pretty bad book, so please do tell the class how the claim of the earth being far older is le wrong with actual please

>>17817102
Humans

>>17817338
>please do tell the class how the claim of the earth being far older is le wrong with actual please
No problem:
>The Bible is the perfect word of God
>It clearly teaches that the earth was made less than 10,000 years ago
>10,000 is several order of magnitude less than billions of years
>Therefore, you're going to Hell
Any questions?

>>17817244
you're applying a value judgment to the process without refuting the process itself

>>17817373
There is no process according to science you dumb trannoid. Dogs are still canis lupus no matter how smashed and slammed they get they are still wolves and no obsevable evoluton has occured.

>>17817340
Not documented, it's just an (incorrect) theory.

>>17817373
There's nothing to refute, there's no science proving evolution theory

>>17817366
so still no proof just the same faulty book that not even your own kind can agree on

>>17817387
Have fun burning.

>>17817366
>>It clearly teaches that the earth was made less than 10,000 years ago
That's not in the Bible, you haven't read the Bible

>>17817398
>I am fully comfortable lying about God's precious word.

>>17817405
The Bible is not the word or co-eternal with God. That is fundamentalist shit.

>>17817410
>No, I don't believe in God's word
>Yes, I do still expect you to consider me a legitimate Christian
Tick tock.

>>17817413
I will die before I let some faggot reddit atheist lecture me about Christian doctrine.

>>17817418
>I will die before I let some faggot reddit atheist lecture me about Christian doctrine.
Is that what you think is happening right now?

>>17817426
Nah just some bored troon doing lazy trolling

>>17817431
Ding ding ding! Congratulations! You're retarded!

>>17817452
Says the big ass dude on estrogen. If im double digit iq you are in the low single digits.

>someone was wrong so magic man in sky is real

>>17817396
Hell is the worst possible thing, it will not be fun.

>>17817596
Christians are scared of hell, pagans face it with bravery & honor

>>17817753
Cringe larp which mysteries you pretending to follow this month

>>17815650 (OP)
>Trying the simplest solution first is... LE BAD
>Instead you should just scrap everything and start from scratch every time one single thing doesn't add up
Only complete pseuds seethe about dark matter/energy, nobody says these are the only possible solutions, it's just that they're the simplest so it's best to start looking at the simplest solution first before jumping into other shit.

>>17817762
The fuck does it mean for a theory to be "simple"? How is that operationalized

>>17816455
>Yep science will admit it's mistakes and seek the truth
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17818098
Can you think of an example of this occurring the past 100 years?

>>17818103
No

>>17815676

>>17815650 (OP)
It's not up to Adam Riess, he may have been the one to have initially proposed Dark Energy, but he doesn't have the authority to say it suddenly doesn't exist, since we still can't explain why the universes expansion is accellerating but it is nevertheless accellerating, and cosmologists have already been trying to find a model to replace it.

>>17818111
>It's not up to Adam Riess
Awomen, none have such authority to think but the secular magisterium

>>17818114
Talking snakes aren't real bro

>>17818117
Neither are fish on legs

>>17815650 (OP)
guess its finally time to fire all the schizo math wizards spitting out worthless nonsense and actually build some decent telescopes.

>>17818118
Wrong again lmao

>>17818111
>gravity IS caused by a giant spaghetti monseter at the center of the earth because we don't have a better theory at this time
Or you could just, you know, not be a prideful fag and admit the previous one has been falsified, and that no one knows at the moment. That's what science would do, not modern basedence, but science would take that approach.

Philosophically speaking, there is absolutely no reason you need a place holder. In fact there are many reasons not to have one, such as, not looking like a bunch of total clowns defending ideas/models/theories which are obviously false.

>>17818136
>gravity IS caused by a giant spaghetti monseter at the center of the earth
No, gravity is one of the fundamental forces of the universe, and it's related to an objects mass and is responsible for gravitational acceleration, which causes the warping of spacetime do to relativistic differences in the rate at which objects move through it. Scientists don't have a placeholder for gravity because that's not how science works and you're just bringing up strawmen. We currently do not have a working theory for gravity at a quantum level for example, but scientists don't use a placeholder to describe quantum gravity. Dark Energy isn't a "placeholder" so much as it represents a phenomenon we can observe but not fully understand yet. Giving a name to a real phenomenon we can observe is not a placeholder anon.

>>17818147
>autist doesn't understand analogical examples
sigh

>>17818156
No I understood it, I still had to explain to you why it's a bad argument

>>17818114
>the secular magisterium
Who???

>>17818211
The Experts

>>17815650 (OP)
What the fuck does 'darkmatter truther' even mean. What the fuck does this have to do with religion?

>>17818214
The experts have spoken!
Dark Energy and dark matter are fake (and probably gay)!
Woo hoo!

>>17815650 (OP)
>scientist studies evidence and makes claim
>scientist does more studying and based on new evidence realises claim may have been wrong

How does this mean that science = bad again?

Religious schizos got so annoying recently. They spread anti-intellectualism everywhere, flood this board and entire 4chan with retarded threads.
I would never guess that the same site that once trolled dumb Christians will become the center of some moronic proselytizing.

>>17818613
>scientist studies evidence
>realizes standard model of cosmology is wrong and probably much of physics is wrong, heinously wrong
>pulls hair out, can't cope
>invents spooky ghost stuff which is undetectable and by its nature unfalsifiable to try to save face for the discipline
>model is so transparently wrong, even the invisible untestable force he proposed breaks down
>recants to save face

>"science"

YEC fixating on dark matter just seems like massive projection

>>17815677
Is this stupid faggot STILL talking about fixation rates? You were disproved, dipshit.
>posts a 4chan thread as evidence about tranny porn
You're mindbroken.

Christians are by far the stupidest people on the planet.

>>17815650 (OP)
Are you going to post the article? Also, isn't this >>>/sci/ related?
>>17815667
For what reasons do you deny dark matter? We have shown that SOME form of dark matter exists though we do not exactly know what it is. And also, dark matter =/= dark energy (I used to think the same thing as a physics undergrad but they are indeed different things)

This just means Nobel prizes are fake and gay, not that science is. It's not your fault if some committee wants to reward you for phlogiston theory of fire.

How come the only people I hear talking about 'dark matter' are the same who think it's true that a man walked on water 2000 years ago?

>>17819020
Because you spend all of your time on 4chan instead of actual scientific discussions

>>17817236
it's an example of evolution christranny
snakes can't talk and the bible is wrong

>>17815677
amazing, you just proved his point.

>>17818092
As in the hypothesis that doesn't require you to throw everything out when most of your model works fine except in one particular scenario. They approached it the same way we approached the neutrino, they didn't throw thermodynamics out because one particular interaction didn't seem to work as expected, they looked to see if there was something missing first. Turned out there was just a weakly interacting particle they'd missed.

That's why they're approaching dark matter the same way, because missing matter is the obvious solution based on previous instances.

>>17817102
Here's a documented case of bacteria evolving to survive in previously impossible to live in environments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

>>17815671 Any spiritual person knows God is not limited by le science. It's not hard to comprehend, but atheists can't reason.

>>17820280
We're not talking about being "limited", he's describing false statements and contradictions. The earth is not only a few thousand years old.
Christians are literally the stupidest people on the planet.

>>17818631
It is how it works, the first idea it is proposed is that something that we can't detect is causing it, so the objective is to detect it, till someone manages to make a new theory that works without it.
It is not the first time it happened either, as the Aether theory was very popular before being disproven in the early XX century

>>17815692
unbelievably based

>>17820324
No young anon, it is a transparent attempt to invent literal magic in order to save the standard model of cosmology.
It is an evil, not just a "something we do", because billions of dollars in research are still being spent operating under obviously incorrect assumption stemming from that model.

Models which require two separate individual undetectable unfalsifiable magic systems, are in fact broken and to be discarded.

>>17815709
You know which one of those won, don't you?