It used to be like standard history geek stuff to think the CSA or at least the ANV was cool. Nowadays even lots of Southerners I see IRL (I also am one) think I'm weird for being in the SCV and the like.

Why has everyone shifted so hard the other way on this?

>>17816227 (OP)
Nature is healing after over 100 years of brainwashing by the daughters of the confederacy

>>17816227 (OP)
They've been pressing on them in the past decade. It was sad to see Southern states ditch their Confederate flag homages(thankfully Arkansas' fourth star is hanging on for now) but I think the pendulum will swing back in its favor. It is heritage after all, it takes more than that to kill it entirely

>>17816282
>my heritage is a less than 10 year chimpout over wanting to own blacks like cattle
Lol, lmao

>>17816282
>I think the pendulum will swing back in its favor.
LMAO

More shitskins online seething about whitey

As racial consciousness tempers itself through exposure to hostility and pressure they began repopulrizing
Kids now are obsessed with hitler and nszis
Most white kids voted right wing lmao

>>17816282
That 1/4 of the US has more heritage than a treasonous faction of slaveowners

>>17816227 (OP)
>now

I've got underwear than the Confederacy.

>>17816227 (OP)
its weird seeing how many lefties support the brutal crushing of the south
like if these far lefties think all enemies of the federal government of America are traitors and deserve to be shot then at least be consistent and shoot yourselves too while you're at it.

>>17816855
>muh lefties
Imagine actually believing this

>>17816863
I hate to say this but go on other social media sites to get a clear picture, even if you never actually interact with them its good to see what the others actually believe

>>17816227 (OP)
There was at one time a huge disconnect between history geeks and academic historians because the work was people were less accessible. These days its very easy to distinguish between pop history and academic sources and many academics speak out in video form.
Many history geeks were mainly interested in the war and battles, and the south's accomplishments in this area were very impressive, but academic history tends to shy away from pure military analysis and look at the larger picture, which paints the south in a much worse light, at least by by the standards of the average person today who likely has trouble sympathizing with slaver owners to begin with.
And finally, as activists have pushed back hard on the confederacy it has become a political issue, and because many northern and more moderate conservatives don't care as much, it has become short hand for a a kind of conservative southern identity often associated with racism and general social backwardness that many people wish to avoid being identified with.

The zeitgeist says we live in a post racial society where everybody should interbreed and be brown, but all the US foundational documents and most of its philosophy was written by them. So there's a mental incongruity here that in low IQ people manifests as frustration and rage

>>17816929
see this is what I was talking about when I mentioned far lefties. They support the government in (justly so) suppressing rebellion in the south, but then they criticize police violence and crackdowns on protests (also justly so).

>>17816942
as in the government is justified in police violence against violent enemies of the state such as anarchists and cracking down on protestors

>>17816942
leftists are not thinking individuals, they're contrarian populists, about as irrelevant as the rest of the 90% of the population which never has an original thought

>>17816227 (OP)
how do you defend treason?

>>17816873
>>17816929
>>17816942
>actually being this terminally online
lol, lmao even

So lovely to see so many Union firebrands ITT, no doubt you'd agree that the Northerners of 1861 would be appalled at how Godless America has become since.

>>17817040
I agree of course, I also still think that enemies of the union (like anarchist rabble and socialists) should be suppressed just like the Confederate rebels and traitors

>>17816929
>the usa was founded by the confederacy
lead paint overdose?

>>17816227 (OP)
incoming

>>17817153
Yes the US was founded by Virginia
>But muh new england
New england was always ruled by rich mercantilists and Machiavellian imperialists. Unless of course you like that and identify with that as a communist

>>17817153
The First Constitution of the United States is known today as Articles of Confederation. That document was ratified before the Second Constitution was even drafted btw.

>>17817051
If the suppression of the South hasn't been thorough enough for your liking by now, then you might be more of a tyrant than you realize. Throwing around words like "traitor" have diminishing impact in the wake of the totalitarian customs of your precious union.

>>17817181
>But muh New England
So I suppose the various individuals born in New England that played a key role in the revolution and creation of the U.S. as well as the events and groups that originated there are utterly irrelevant? Why do you lost cause tards have to be such vein ahistorical narcissists just to push your bullshit? You live a contemptuous lie all to hide the embarrassment of your ancestors openly rebelling against the nation that their ancestors and other built all for an institution that the founders thought to do away with but were unable to without causing the very conflict which we are discussing.

The very first citizenship act of the US (As well as the US the many years later) were a white nationalist and a segregated state from inception

Leftists themselves admit the US is a settler colonal white supremacist state
Their fixation with the confederancy is somewhat obtuse, considered both were settler colonial white ethnostates lmao

>>17817479
Aside from Thomas paine and Ben Franklin I can't really think of any relevant northerners intellectually. Unless you want to say the federalist papers were influential and then I would say that the federalist papers called for an ethnostate

>>17817490
John Adams? Also why put the caveat of intellectually?

>>17817524
John Adams was just a politician, not a philosopher. Very very few people were actually enlightened philosophically back then, but a lot of them were in the south working on the foundational documents. People forget the US actually has a foundational leftist philosophy

>>17817537
I see, you’re arbitrarily trying to limit what is considered to be a contribution to the creation of the U.S..
>John Adams was just a politician, not a philosopher
And he still played a key role in the creation of the nation.

>>17817547
It's not arbitrary, and idea that persists for 250 years is more important than writing in some paper about how we should fight the british.

>>17816298
>the American South only existed during the Civil War

>>17816359
America is the country founded on treasonous slave owners tho.
>>17816336
Already has, everyone is tired of blacks being loud, disrespectful, violent, and criminal.
Latin Kings have already cleared out 90% of LA's historical black neighborhoods.
Shitlibs are too few and too sparse and too weak to prevent even this, imagine when Whites with their tanks and nuclear arsenal begin to act.
>they wont
We already are.

>>17817549
So you’re saying that individuals that helped create the framework and run the nation as well as those that defended it in its infancy do not matter and it’s all about the people that worked in the business of philosophy and ideals? Because of that’s the case then Washington did not contribute.

>>17817565
The framework was already there, right? we just copied the romans, the only thing that sets the US apart is its philosophy

>fight one (1) war
>get your shit pushed in
>saved by yankee benevolence
>yankee benevolence allows you to LARP that you will one day rise again
>yankee money funds what's left of your shitty region

confederalarpers are fags

>>17817575
So we copied the exact laws and systems verbatim? And we also had the ghosts of ancient statesmen running things? You’re very blatantly trying to trivialize the efforts of men that played instrumental roles because you cannot actually argue their importance. I mean you completely ignored what I said about Washington.

>>17817580
>law
an important part of american philosophy is the adherence to pre-chrstian common law, see how that's far more important than copying the roman's homework?

>>17817582
Why are you deflecting from the argument to harp on individual points? So far you can’t actually argue about the importance which men like Adams played aside from trivializing it.

>>17817587
people that furthered original ideas 250 years ago are more important that people that served in a system that was designed in large part by other people, sorry you don't agree

>>17817594
Without the people that served it, it would not exist today. They are the ones which allowed it to survive and thrive.

>>17816227 (OP)
The real answer is that ~60 years after segregation ended, blacks are becoming more accepted into Southern culture and being treated as equals. Like there's still economic effects but most Southerners really care more about culture than race. There's no need or desire to keep spouting retarded lost cause cope when that's happening and you're okay with it.

>>17817604
the idea would exist with or without the system is the point. We don't NEED to copy roman and British homework

>>17817607
Ideas do not matter unless they can actually be put into practice. And men like Adams and Washington were able to see that they could not only do that but make sure that outside forces would not stop them.

>>17817612
Ideas often should not be put into practice, this doesn't mean they are less important than the system, they're actually very dangerous, more dangerous than any system. But ideas come from individuals, the system relies on the masses. And idea could last until the death of the last person, a system breaks down every other week

>>17817615
An idea is only useful if it is put into practice otherwise it is merely some theory kept to one’s self or existing in words or parchment. And systems may come from the individual as well since they themselves are built upon ideas. The construction and maintenance however is done as a group effort as there are many moving parts. And it is a testament to men like Adams and Washington that the systems which they helped create and maintain still exist today.

>>17817636
The testament of the system is the testament of the masses, not the individuals that build the system. Most people have lived the exact same way for tens of thousands of years with uncountable systems lording over them. What persisted was not the systems, but the individual and their way of life. More often than not the only interaction the individual has with the state is taxation.

>>17817644
Oh, and you don't keep the masses in check with a system, you keep them in check with an idea

America was refounded in the 1960s by the grandchildren of the Ellis Island immigrants. They redefined what it meant to be American and laid out a new suite of moral values that would gradually be made mandatory via judicial activism. Something like the Confederacy even existing contradicts a lot of their claims about what America is and where we came from, so it had to be remade into a sort of eternal villain like the 3rd Reich was. Also bashing the Confederacy is a reflexive venting of pent up frustration over black people's continued failure to live up to expectation.

>>17817644
And they were both representatives of the masses and were there to both lead and govern in times of war and peace. They rallied, they commanded, they governed. But here you are once again trivializing what you claim to love and hold dear as a means to defend your narcissistic narrative and avoid the treasonous reality of your beliefs. Going so far as to minimize the efforts and role of Washington, a Virginian all to say that there were few men of northern birth that played a great role in the creation of the United States.

>>17817658
>representatives of the masses
People don't elect individual representatives, they elect ideas

>>17817664
So you’re going to start pretending to troll now because you can’t reconcile what you’ve said with what you’re arguing?

>>17817666
Is what I said not true? Nobody voted for Trump the man, they voted for Trump the idea. He's the definition of a populist

>>17817669
No it’s not, a person can hold an idea or pretend they do and thus anyone who holds that idea as well will consider them to be of the same vain as them and thus hold their best interest as well. But in the end, it is not some concept or thought that does all that I described, it is a person.

>>17816227 (OP)
Thie shift is only temporary. The South will rise again, and it won't be pretty.

>>17817673
Some monkey flipping a switch isn't a visionary or important, they're fundamentally replaceable

>>17817677
Without the “monkeys” there would be no vision in the first place. Ideas do not exist in a vacuum they are thought up by some manner of intelligence. They did not exist in the void prior and without more intelligences to propagate them.

>>17817682
The ideas are in the masses, not the politicians. Political systems are entirely reactionary. You can stand in front of monkeys and chant and they will chant with you, but they're the ones that ultimately control the movement often with heavy hands

>>17817684
>The ideas are in the masses
And like you said they are born from individuals, unless you wish to recant that.
>Political systems are entirely reactionary. You can stand in front of monkeys and chant and they will chant with you
So you’re just dropping the facade of in anyway caring about the U.S. and just revealing yourself to just be a cynical narcissist that is mindlessly defending something he was brought up on? Because you’re not only comparing the founders to monkeys but the American people as a whole.
>inb4 I mean all people
That just makes it worse, it tells me that you have little to no actual value in the ideas of the revolution and are just using them as a front to fuel your vain tribalistic view of the world.
>

>>17817695
Right. The politician is just an empty suit that pretends to support some idea. The philosophers implant the ideas into the masses and then the masses elect people that they think will further that idea.

Would General Washington have gotten anywhere if not for the men underneath him willing to die for an idea? They put their faith, not in Washington, but in Washington's ability to deliver that idea to them

>>17817700
So you’re just going to continue to deflect to individual points in order to avoid the whole of the argument itself?
>Would General Washington have gotten anywhere if not for the men underneath him
Would they have gotten anywhere without him? Do you believe that an army can do what they did without generals or commanders? An idea of a boat cannot actually float on water.
>but in Washington's ability
So they put their faith in Washington, you’re splitting hairs needlessly to attempt to say that it’s not about the men when the men themselves are the ones that actually got things done. Not the idea of them, but those men of flesh and blood. They were giving orders, orating, governing, and all else that allowed their nation to be born, survive, and thrive.

>>17816340
>right wing is when you hate niggers

>>17817712
I will usually only address your first point if the rest of the post is incorrect. Most of your first points have just been sarcasm so I'm agreeing with them as if we're agreeing to further my point to hope at some point you understand what I'm talking about but it seems you've lost the plot

>Washington the General could not be replaced
really?

>>17816298
More than niggers ever accomplished

>>17817718
>I will usually only address your first point if the rest of the post is incorrect
If it’s incorrect you would be able to actually say how. Saying something alone is not enough to make it so and you know that.
>Most of your first points have just been sarcasm
They haven’t, you’re saying that as a way to trivialize them.
>so I'm agreeing with them as if we're agreeing to further my point
So you’re trying to say that you’re now being “sarcastic” as a way to project the idea that you’re just trolling again because you’re unable to actually argue the importance of men like Adams or Washington.
>Washington the General could not be replaced
I want you to show in my last post where I said that. I want you to find those exact words
>inb4 it was implied
No what I was speaking of was that an army which you spoke of in the form of the masses is unable to function without some kind of command structure to do what they did during the revolutionary war. But I see you know that and even on your strawman could not think outside of the hierarchy which is needed to have a force do what the continentals did.
>what I'm talking about but it seems you've lost the plot
The point of this argument was that men like Adams and others in the north were just as important as the ones in the south to the creation of the U.S. but you then realizing that there were actually a bunch of figures that played key roles up here added an arbitrary caveat that they had to be philosophers. Which you have been trying desperately to defend while running away from the argument as a whole.

>>17817735
>Would they have gotten anywhere without him?
>I want you to show in my last post where I said that.
We were specifically talking about people making decisions being replaceable and then you said

"Would we have gotten anywhere without Washington"

I posit, yeah, probably.

>>17817740
So you’re basing this off of out of context implication which I called out in the very post which this comment is a reply to. Since after that I say “Do you believe that an army can do what they did without generals or commanders” but of course you ignored that. Like you ignore everything you can’t argue.
>Would we have gotten anywhere without Washington
These words are nowhere in that post, you’re openly lying to propagate a strawman due to being unable to argue anything else.

>>17817747
Oh right I forgot you're retarded and completely misunderstood the conversation

>>17817750
You mean your strawman failed and now you’re hurling insults and making unsubstantiated statements like a child having a fit.

>>17817758
No I was referring to the people you called important being replaceable while the people I think are important are irreplaceable because they are who we get our ideas from. You're caught up in cowboys and indians or something

>>17817761
>No I was referring to the people you called important being replaceable
Which was something that you brought into this and not something that I said. But you claimed that I did thus making it a strawman. And now you’re trying to use the strawman as your main argument because you failed to argue everything else.
>the people I think are important are irreplaceable
Unless a superior idea comes about, or everyone that knew about the idea dies like you said. I mean memes die all the time. Things forgotten to all of history.

>>17817773
No you just are retarded. I clearly said that ideas are paramount, you clearly said the system is paramount, then you had a mental breakdown about washington. I remember I was there

>>17817778
Once again hurling insults and then ignoring and leaving out context. This is not very good form. You tried saying that philosophers were all that mattered and when that was challenged trivialized the efforts and deeds of all others, I used Washington as an example since he is both a key figure in the creation of the U.S. and a southerner.
>I remember I was there
Yes, you have also show a propensity for dishonest behavior and arguing, so I would take your words with a grain of salt.

>>17816227 (OP)
It's hard to find them cool after really learning more about it desu
>Wealthy slave owners were exempt from the draft so poor working men were taking the brunt of the fight and suffering

>>17817792
Yes I said the "idea guys" are better than politicians. I've been saying the same thing this entire time, you're mentally retarded

>>17817676
No, the North-South cultural divide has already died. Now there's a growing city-countryside divide.

>>17817181
>merchants are Communists now
Only on /his/

>>17817490
>John Jay
>Hamilton
>Samuel Adams
>"Irrelevant"

>>17817795
Not just the politicians though, but pretty much any figure since I have been arguing about generals, commanders, orators, etc. You seem to be only prioritizing philosophers as being importance. I doubt that the likes of Jefferson would agree with such sentiments.
>been saying the same thing this entire time
The keyword being “saying” which is very different from arguing. Which you have failed at multiple times and have thus resorted to dishonest means.

>>17817803
>generals
So you were just pretending to be retarded when I implied you were saying that Washington was irreplaceable?

Don't be mad at me for understanding your argument better than you

>>17817805
Still hurling insults I see, just because something can be replaced does not mean it isn’t important. A heart can be replace, but that does not mean that you can live without one. I was pointing out the importance of the role in which generals and the others that I listed played to the foundation and maintenance of the U.S. and all you can give in retort is to go back to your strawman.
>Don't be mad at me for understanding your argument better than you
So you admit that you’re purposely misconstruing what I’ve said?

>>17817812
Yeah generals are important, that's good insight

>>17817815
Yes, as are politicians, orators, and justices. Which is why the north also had figures that were key in the founding of the U.S. and are partly responsible for it along with those in the south.

>>17817818
Yes the mail is important

>>17817825
You already tried to pretend you were trolling before and it failed. I’ll just take this as your concession.

>>17817829
>Me not getting my morning paper is equivalent to human ideas that last thousands of years
brilliant

>>17817845
You don’t need to make things up and argue with yourself.

>>17817856
So from just a performance standpoint and decision making standpoint, do you really think Washington wasn't replaceable?

>>17817861
It seems you’re still trying to argue the strawman.

>>17817864
So Washington was replaceable at least functionally during the revolution. And you don't think he contributed ideologically to the US because you got mad when you thought I implied he didn't

what a takeaway

>>17817868
I never said he wasn’t, you’re the only one that tried arguing that. You seem to be going in circles trying desperately to push your strawman due to being unable to actually argue anything I’ve said or defend your own points.

>>17817870
You don't remember declaring Washington important? And I had to extract from you an admission that he was replaceable like drawing blood from stone?

And you still act like a little shit

>>17817870
>And you don't think he contributed ideologically to the U.S.
You’re just making things up entirely now. There is not even an implication there. I literally said that something that is replaceable can still be important.

>>17817871
>You don't remember declaring Washington important
Do you not remember me saying that something that is important can still be replaced and that you had no retort to that? Because I do, here it is right here >>17817812 and all you could say was this >>17817815

>>17817872
See the problem is I didn't let you actually state what your argument was before I dismantled it so you think you can still turn this around because you're confused and you don't know what's happening

I'm not a sadist so I'm willing to let you off with a warning

>>17817875
So you have no retort to what I said so are just claiming victory while acting smug to cope with that fact. Just like the last time that I pointed out that something that is important can still be replaced.

>>17817880
There is no victory here, you didn't learn anything and are pissy

>>17817883
and it's my fault

>>17817883
There is, you lost the argument where you claimed that the north had no important figures to the foundation of the U.S. and are now projecting your own childish tantrum onto me.

>>17817885
I mean do YOU identify with centralized banking being used to globalize the economy and creating an undying financial empire?

You don't sound like that kind of person

>>17817887
This is the tantrum which I was referring to. You’re trying so desperately to jump around and make things up due to being unable to actually engage with the topic. Yet when you believe you have the advantage will immediately say that it is I that is doing that.

>>17817891
I'm sorry that I know about things that you don't know about

>>17817892
You seem to think that your desperate ramblings are personal facts. I don’t know why you are trying so desperately to create some kind of fabricated profile of me while you avoid arguing. I mean I could say that it’s a form of ad hominem in order to attempt to discredit me without actually arguing my points or engaging but that would be far too presumptuous.

>>17817896
You think your stupidity can be saved by looking up the reddit graph of logical fallacies?

>>17817900
If I was in any compromised position you would not have to attack my character like this. You would be arguing as you were before you resorted to the strawman. As it is your own defeat has been made self evident by the way you are acting.

>>17817905
I'm just bored because you haven't said anything resembling critical thinking skills. You think I'm attacking you just from using referential knowledge

>>17817906
I see you’re trying to feign disinterest while simultaneously continuing to attack my character by stating that I have shown no critical thinking skills which has nothing to do with the actual argument and all to do with me as a person.
>You think I'm attacking you just from using referential knowledge
Or that you referred to me as being retarded multiple times. That is something. But I see you’re once again ignoring things that are inconvenient to what you’re trying to say/do.

>>17817913
I have no interest in your personal character but you make it a huge target when you continue on this meltdown about nothing

>>17817916
If that were true you wouldn’t have brought it up or attacked it.
>but you make it a huge target
So you admit to attacking my character despite denying it in your last reply.
>you continue on this meltdown about nothing
And this you do what I said here >>17817891
“You’re trying so desperately to jump around and make things up due to being unable to actually engage with the topic. Yet when you believe you have the advantage will immediately say that it is I that is doing that”

>>17817920
Yeah I attacked your character, it's 4chan and if somebody is acting spazzy you can gut punch them and they might normalize

>>17817922
So once again you show yourself to be a liar.
>you can gut punch them
Why do you equate words to physical violence? This is nothing, merely text on a screen. The only reason I call it out is because I wish for you to quit such behavior and get back to the argument.

>>17817928
How am I a liar? You are stupid, or have some sort of problem I don't have the ability to solve. You haven't posted anything indicating you know anything about history, the subject of this board. You already conceded the one argument I presented you with after you had a breakdown about George Washington of all people. Are you a boomer from social media?

>>17817951
>How am I a liar
You claimed you weren’t attacking my character and then immediately admitted that you were.
>haven't posted anything indicating you know anything about history
Wrong, you’re just making up more nonsense because you can’t handle losing the argument.
>You already conceded the one argument
I didn’t, you made up a strawman and when I wouldn’t argue it and called you out you just started deflecting before trying to circle back around.

>>17817957
Oh right you're the john Adams guy. So John Adams is important because of the Massachusetts constitution, right? What was in the Massachusetts constitution that wasn't in the Virginia Constitution which was the main draft for the US constitution?

>>17817960
So you’re going to pretend that you forgot the topic of the argument and who I am despite being the only person you have been engaging with for over an hour? Also I’ve noticed you’ve given up on saying that you weren’t lying after I called you out.
>John Adams is important because of the Massachusetts constitution, right
He was also the second President of the U.S., the first Minister to Great Britain and Washington’s VP, yes Washington who you argued wasn’t important since he wasn’t a philosopher. But I suppose none of those matter. Also if you’re conceding on other people aside from philosophers being important then I will name a few.
Nathan Hale
General Putnam
Samuel Adams
John Jay
Paul Revere
Gouverneur Morris just to name a few.

>>17817979
Adams was a massive cuntbag and nearly destroyed the union you retard

>>17817982
So once again you’re unable to argue so you just go back to insults and tantrums.

>>17817979
>John Jay
Thank you I may now accept your concession

>>17817988
So not only can you not argue but you have to samefag as well just to look for a way out. Or are you going to say that the first chief Justice of the Supreme Court was not important?

>>17817991
I didn't fully read your post because the fact that you don't know Adams nearly tore the union apart betrays youre uniformed.

John Jay was a virulent racist and called for an ethnostate. I literally told you this at the start of the conversation. I accept your concession

YEAH WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO JOHN JAY YEAH

GLORY TO THE USA

>>17817995
Don’t make excuses, you know what you did, next time read fully and think before posting.
>John Jay was a virulent racist and called for an ethnostate
And does any of that mitigate his importance to the nation?
>YEAH WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO JOHN JAY YEAH
That is your opinion I suppose. I did not say anything of the sort.

>>17818001
No it legitimately just enraged me that you're so stupid you don't know Adams doomed the union to civil war

>>17818005
So you’ve once again jumped from John Jay back to Adams because you can’t say how he is not important. You similarly cannot say how Adams is not important either and are just trying to deflect yet again to something else entirely.

>>17818008
Man you're dumb

confederacy was an anglo-jewish freemasonry plot to weaken usa.

>>17818009
Yet more insults and still no argument as to why the men I have named were not important to the fledgling nation.

>>17818011
You already admitted Washington could have been any other midling general

>>17818013
You were the one that said that, I pointed out that important things can be replaceable as well. To which you just deflected and still have no retort despite bringing this same topic up over and over.

>>17818016
What legacy did Washington leave behind politically? intellectually? this is a grade school question by the way

>>17818019
So you know that I say that about Washington and are just deflecting again. Why do you keep doing this?

>>17818021
You're not even american are you

>>17818021
*didn’t say

>>17818022
Once again, another desperate attempt at a personal attack due to a lack of an argument. Nutmegger, born and raised. Where are you from?

>>17818025
Are you that tripfag tranny that used to post here, from canada?

>>17818026
I told you where I was from, why are you so desperate to try and label me, are you so desperate for anything you can use to save face that you have to just keep going deeper and deeper into insults and other childish nonsense?

>>17818029
There was a tripfag tranny from canada that lived in new england and thought they were the hottest shit and knew fuck all about american history

>>17818032
So you now can only accuse me of being random people in order to attempt to discredit me, but still can’t actually argue anything I have said.

>>17818033
No I'm just posting for my own amusement now, you brought this on yourself

>>17818036
No, it looks more like you’re trying to act smug in order to attempt to save face after losing the argument. So far this has been a slow decline of you failing to argue how philosophers are the only ones who are important and then after conceding that being unable to argue how John Jay and Adams were not. And then you went back to your strawman and failed again. Then you brought up some random Canadian and tried to accuse me of being him.

>>17818041
what argument, do you even have one?

>>17818044
I gave it already. And you know it since you were able to reference it here >>17817960 yet you choose to feign ignorance of it. Why? What purpose does that serve aside from just wasting your own time?

>>17818046
okay bye

>>17818055
Yes, have a good night son.

>>17816227 (OP)
I always hated these cringe faggots and their dumb cousin fucking LARPers that waddle around today.

>>17818096
an inbred hick is worth 10 browns, sad but true

>>17818137
>>17818096
Well Browns are actually inbred via cousin marriage. Judaized Whites call southern Whites inbred because they are trained to receive a dopamine hit. They will ignore Abdul and his lineage of 10 generations of marrying a 1st or 2nd cousin.

>>17816227 (OP)
A realistic answer is changes in demographics. Before then, the war and the South were viewed as a "brothers at arms, never again" war, leading to the people accepting and moving on, with the South coping. However, as racism is viewed as an ultimate sin within modern American politics, the CSA is hated, usually by either self-hating whites or non-whites, and as the country becomes more non-white, the more people will hate them

You can see even up until 2014ish, a lot of people tended to either not really care about the flag or General Lee, or have modest respect towards them, and now to outright hatred. They hate the Confederates more than the actual Union troops who fought against them.

>>17817733
is that really all you can aspire to? How fucking pathetic.

Did you know that there's a larger than life gilded equestrian statue of General Sherman in NYC?