Marian Apparition: Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal / Our Lady of Graces
Year: 1930
Approval: 1836 (Archbishop Hyacinthe-Louis de Quélen / Archdiocese of Paris)
Seer: Catherine Labouré
Location: Rue du Bac, Paris - France
Date: November 27 in the Roman Calendar for Venezuela and the Vincentian orders

Catherine Labouré, a novice with the Daughters of Charity of Saint Vincent de Paul, reported several apparitions of Mary in the chapel of her convent. On July 18, 1830, she was awakened and led to the chapel by a child. There, the Virgin Mary appeared to her and revealed that God wished to entrust her with a mission. Mary also said to her that "times were evil" and foretold sorrows for France and the world. On November 27, 1830, Catherine reported another apparition, where Mary showed her specific visions and requested to "have a Medal struck after this model". She asked her to take these images to her confessor, and that "all who wear them will receive great graces". The first medals were produced in 1832 and became widely known as the Miraculous Medal, due to the many miracles attributed to the medal. The front of the medal depicts Mary as she appeared to Catherine, while the reverse design includes the letter M under a cross, along with the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_Medal

>>17816276 (OP)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9567156/

>>17816287
I'm not clicking that link, nigga

>>17816290
It's the National Library of Medicine, retard

Why do I find catholic miracles so unconvincing and silly? I read this and can't help but wonder why any of this would happen, why Mary is coming to Earth and handing out wierd phyiscal tools to people (like this medal, and the rosary) to help them instead of Jesus coming as He promised. Why is it almost always Mary in these miracles? I guess I'm biased because the catholics I have known in my life tend to have a propensity for lying and embellishment, I just don't trust any of these supposed miracles.

>>17816276 (OP)
All catholic miracles come from satan

when I read about marian apparitions I always think about paulie in the sopranos

>>17816276 (OP)
July 22nd is in a couple weeks!

Did you know the Apollo 11 started its boosters on 7/22/1969 (feast of mary magdalene) to return to earth?

The moon was at Apollo's feet (Revelation 12) as it soared the Heavens!

On 7/24/1969 (the summer of love ... 69!) Apollo landed in the Pacific near Hawaii.

7/24 is 570 days from Jan 1st! Why is that significant?

Sappho (Queen of Lesbians) died in 570 a.d.

The Spirit of Sappho entered the realm of earth on 7/24/1969.

>>17816296
They're usually highly similar in tone to UFO visitations/abductions, since they're both slightly different expressions of the same psychological issues depending on what the person seeing them believes in

>>17816276 (OP) The Medal

>>17816296
>I think I can understand God with my limited mind
ngmi

>>17816296
>instead of Jesus coming
It's not time yet.

>>17816296
Because they are silly. Mary can play peek a boo in a convent, but can't spontaneously cure a leper colony or a cancer ward in a kid's hospital lol. Or that we've gone from saints resurrecting the dead to some zoomer who made a website.

And then they'll unironically mock backwoods hicks for snake handling or speaking in tongues to boot

>Our Lady of Zeitun
the most recorded Marian apparition in history.
thousands of people saw the lady bless spectators for weeks.
Protestants seethe at Marian apparitions and call them demonic, despite Mary always giving graces to God and her Son.

>>17816276 (OP)
Well I'm glad the rubes are still enjoying their primitive religion grove.
>>17816447
>Don't question it just turn off your faculties for discernment but just for this thing.

>>17817559
Read through them yourself before rushing to own us. Some of them are obviously from God, but many more are not and the "Mary" that shows in some of the sketchier apparitions is obviously not of Him. Some of them don't even seem to be demonic, but some other 3rd thing. Even your own church doesn't accept some of those ones.

>>17817760
Honestly the third thing idea is a rather scary thought.
If we, for the sake of art, omit that it's probably mental illness.

>>17817786
I'll readily accept that many such things appear to be mental illness and probably are, but it's unwise to discount the supernatural entirely. It is real and they are distinguishable from one another.

How about the fact that the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe has music built into it's construction? That's the most clear cut miracle of them all.

https://www.churchpop.com/the-beautiful-musical-melody-hidden-within-our-lady-of-guadalupes-image/

>>17817760
qrd? how do you tell the difference anyway

Marian apparitions are devils. Our Lady of Guadalupe literally ordered the Mexican to "build a temple to me here", satanic and ungodly, unclean spirits. If you buy them you've been suckered into false religion because you didn't follow 1 John 4:1

>>17818199
>1 John 4:1
Tested and found godly. See above.

>>17817760
>gnostic posing as a protestant attempts to manipulate the elect

>>17818199
>Protestant screaming demons

What sola scriptura does to the brain.
>inb4 enjoy hell

>>17818215
That's incorrect, as even if the demons weren't going around openly demanding their own worship, everything about them is intelligible only in the context of the Marian cult, the cult of saints, and the church of Rome in general, all of which is about as Christian as a pride parade.

>Protestard pretends the cloud of witnesses doesn't exist yet again.

>>17818235
>papist thinks Hebrews 11 has something to do with making a good deal when selling your house because you buried an idol of St. Joseph in your yard

>>17818242
It's not just the papists you poor, confused and uninformed sheep led astray.
All apostolic and magisterial denominations believe the saints are alive and well aware of what's happening on Earth.
As for your scripture needs
>Hebrews 12:1
>Hebrews 12:23
>Matthew 22:32
>Revelation 5:8
>Revelation 6:10
>Revelation 8:4
Literally John 3:16 says "those who believe shall not perish but have eternal life"
Do you think that was just a metaphor? like you believe everything else Jesus said was?

>>17818271
>All apostolic and magisterial denominations
Translation: the deeply corrupt churches of Rome and Constantinople
>>Hebrews 12:1
See >>17818242
You would think when machine gunning out prooftexts you would lead with your best, I think the fact you led with an interpretation which is laughably bankrupt speaks volumes
>Do you think that was just a metaphor?
I believe many things about the gross misapplication of this verse. I think the fact you believe this is a slam dunk argument and are pressing the attack in this way shows you are clueless and that nobody familiar with John's Gospel (let alone an evangelical) will take seriously the idea this has something to do with the cult of saints let alone obviously so, and may even be shocked. I think your beliefs about the cult of saints are directly antithetical to the meaning of this scripture, in particular the definition of a saint as someone whose righteous merits are greater than their temporal punishments, and the idea that you may receive graces from the thesaurus meritorum to increase your justification. I think eternal life has very little to do with being raised to godhood and as a lesser god being a proper recipient of worship and a worker of miracles and supernatural power in the world.

Your worship of the saints is completely prohibited and contradicted by many scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments including the first commandment. Mary is not aware I exist, nor that you do. She is busy glorifying her Lord and Savior, and He will place you under His eternal wrath for giving His worship to His mother if you do not repent.

>>17818296
>literally a paragraph of nothing.
>no counterpoints, no scripture, no theology, just a protestard screaming damnations while covering his ears to the truth

What sola scriptura actually does to the brain.

>>17818305
I accept your concession.

>>17818193
Only church approved folk are allowed to actually view the thing up close.
The whole story by itself is suspect, anyway.
>>17818199
Oh wow a Marian Apparition ask for a church to be built, how Satanic, Molochian even.
If you really want to discredit the story you should take the normal route: Catholic Church made it up to Christianize an indigenous pilgrimage site.

>>17817559
This is one that’s honestly very difficult to play devil’s advocate on. Even the best skeptical responses I’ve found are really shaky.

>>17817592
Don't even bother. I don't waste my time with atheists.

>>17818436
>If you really want to discredit the story you should take the normal route
I think I'll stick with the "the demon demanded a temple be built to it" route

>>17817559
How do Catholics deal with Zeitoun? Don't they have to say it's not Mary, because why would Mary be appearing on a heretical/schismatic church? That's obviously seen as a tacit approval of the church.

>>17819585
The relationship between Orthodox and Catholic churches has always been complex. Catholics can fulfill their Sunday obligation at an Orthodox church for instance. They aren't heretical and they aren't fully schismatic.

Why is Mary so fucking important to you guys? No disrespect to Mary, but God is what matters. Catholics treat Mary as somebody as the end all, be all, even creating prayers for her, when they should just pray to God and call it a day.

>>17816276 (OP)
mary was based for cucking that jew

>>17819644
She's the co-redeemer. Without her there would be no redemption. She is the new ark of the covenant. She was born free of sin and ascended to heaven.

We don't "pray to" her, we ask her to pray to go for us as she is there at Christ's right hand as the Saint of Saints.

>>17819720
Mary was the same as any other saint before her, from Noah to Moses to Joseph to David. A human instrument used to further God's will, not somebody special without it. Catholics are so wrapped up in their own delusions, they think she's actually the wife of God. God damn.

>>17819772
Except she is literally THE MOTHER OF GOD. I think that's worth a few extra points.

>>17817559
This looks faker than Indian AI slop.

>>17819783
Who gives a fuck? Look at the verses where Jesus doesn't even use Mary's own role for birthing him in a special regard. Seriously, there's multiple of them.

>>17819612
>They aren't heretical
They teach miaphysitism, don't accept the filioque, and don't accept papal supremacy. I'm sure they teach other heresies as well.

I don't understand why Mary would appear on a Coptic church and not at least tell people they should become Catholic. It doesn't make sense.

>>17819820
There' always the two misinterpreted verses. Jesus turned the water into wine on his mother's request in the end. And Mary did the work of his Father.

>>17819861
No, that's not the verses I'm talking about, and even then, Mary's request was God's ordained will working through her, nothing something that was given from her through any special role.
Matthew 12:48–50 (Also in Mark and Luke):
>But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Luke 11:27-28
>As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
>But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
You see? Mary was important in her role, but was never exalted higher to be some truly beyond special figure.

>>17819907
I just said "And Mary did the work of his Father."

That was one of the two verses you prots always drag out.

>>17816276 (OP)
Are the Marian apparitions that use the old scary version of Purgatory true and should I listen to them? Or is the new and improved non-scary version of purgatory that the current church teaches true? Papists always tell me to ignore them and don’t seem interested in what that says about Marian apparitions.

>>17820125
What does that change about saying Mary shouldn't be exalted in the way you hold her in?

>>17818195
Many of the apparitions that aren't accepted by their church were recorded saying things that either go directly against Christian doctrine or have absolutely nothing to do with it. In my view, the former would be demonic and the latter would be the other 3rd thing.
>>17818222
As I said before, even your own church doesn't accept every single apparition because they've recognized the same things that I have and I admire them for their caution in such matters because otherwise idiots like you would be going around worshiping demons because you didn't know any better.
You yourself are proof of your church's good work because, even though you stupidly accuse me of belonging to what is the most vile of all the heresies, I at least know that you listen to the tenants of your church and that I will see you in the same place after we both die.

>>17820372
>or have absolutely nothing to do with it
Any glaringly obvious examples?

>>17817941
What are it's distinguishing features from Demonic or legitimate apparitions?

The last thing I would want is for Catholics to flee like dogs when confronted with the truth. If there are any Catholics reading this thread, then make your case.

>>17820651
>The last thing I would want is for Catholics to flee like dogs when confronted with the truth.

>>17820651
Protestants are jews who believe Christianity is just pledging allegiance to some tribal hebrew deity who is in competition with other beings
Catholics understand that God is the one, eternal, uncreated creator who is the beginning and end of all things. We don't have problems praying to Mary or other saints because we know that any prayers to her and others have their end in God anyway, we believe these people are special because of what God did through them and not because they are some "alternative" to God. God wants us to pray to Mary and the saints. That's why He's always having Mary appear to us.
>but what about muh idolatry
God is the source of all and the end of all, He is not in competition with Mary, nor does worship for Him get taken away like some kind of pie. When Catholics honor Mary and other saints, we are still honoring God through them, like how you give honor to an artist when you praise their individual pieces of art. And in the Bible when Paul talks about the Church being of one mind and accord, being one body, and having a cloud of witnesses, this includes the saints who can hear our prayers. If the church is one body, with Christ as head, then it would be a division and mutilation of the body of Christ for one section to be cut off from another. There isn't a "living church" on earth and a "dead church" in heaven. There is only the church.
There is no idolatry here because honoring of saints is still honoring of God. Protestants subconsciously think of God as, like I said, some national hebrew god in competition with other beings, instead of the source and end of all creation. Which ironically makes protestants more pagan in their thinking than Catholics. They're subconscious henotheists.

>>17821011
Now replace all instances of Mary with Baal, do you still agree?

>>17821051
>Now replace all instances of someone who was extremely devoted to God all her life and bore the Son of God in her womb and lives eternally in heaven, instead with a false god worshipped by murderous pagans.
Wow man, you really got me there. 300 IQ argument. Are you a protestant seminarian per chance? I may have to concede

>>17821051
Now replace your toothbrush with a .45

>>17821068
>now replace [creature] with [creature]
Yes, do that. Is the only difference between what you're doing and pagan worship the object? If so, then it is prohibited idolatry. If not, then what is the substantial difference? Would Moses have put you to death if he discovered you doing this?

>>17821071
God bless you.

>>17821011
And at no point did Jesus decide to mention that Mary and the future saints would be acting as his secretaries and screening prayers to himself/God?

>>17821073
>Is the only difference between what you're doing and pagan worship the object?
What do you think "pagan worship" is exactly? If a group of pagans did everything people at your church do but with Odin instead of Jesus, is it pagan or not? If it is then yes the difference is the object of worship. If not then what do you even think religion is?
>Would Moses have put you to death if he discovered you doing this?
No, because Moses has direct revelation from God and knows that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh who came to reconcile us with Himself. He would honor the Virgin Mary for having such a sacred responsibility of bearing the Lord of Hosts in the flesh into the world. She is the New Ark of the Covenant. The Israelites were punished for idolatry because they, like many protestants seem to, believed the Lord of Hosts is just one god among many, and turned their backs on Him for favor from some false god instead.
This isn't a very complicated concept. The Virgin Mary and the saints are 100% submissive to God. They are given eternal life through Christ and share in the divine nature. God expresses His love for mankind by adopting us as sons. We do not honor the saints as ends of themselves, we honor them as works of God's glory. This is not the same as turning away from the Lord of Hosts and seeking favors from a different being instead. There is no competition between God and His saints, who HE made into saints in the first place.

>>17821109
The apostles often ask others to pray for them and the dead are alive in Christ. Simple as that.

>>17821073
>Would Moses have put you to death if he discovered you doing this?
Moses created an idol according to your definition. The serpent and the pole.

>>17821146
>The serpent and the pole.
Well how else were they supposed to announce their identity and gain safe passage? It was a cure for any who became poisoned by foreign ideas.

>>17821109
>Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
>Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
>Romans 8:16-17
When we cry, “Abba! Father!” it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
>Galatians 4:7
So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir.
>2 Peter 1:4
By which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.

>>17821121
>What do you think "pagan worship" is exactly?
The worship of unworthy recipients.
>If a group of pagans did everything people at your church do but with Odin instead of Jesus, is it pagan or not?
I worship Jesus. Jesus is my God. Do you confess the same with respect to Mary?
>If it is then yes the difference is the object of worship
I wholeheartedly agree: I am worshipping Jesus, and the pagan is worshipping Odin, and you are worshipping Mary. The difference between these actions is the object.
>No
Would he have done so if your actions were identical, but directed at Baal and Asherah instead of Mary? What if the Jews were just venerating the golden calf, would that have been ok and if not, why?
>She is the New Ark of the Covenant.
The new ark of the covenant is Jesus of Nazareth in whom the fullness of God dwells bodily.
>The Israelites were punished for idolatry because they, like many protestants seem to, believed the Lord of Hosts is just one god among many
No, that specifically is wrong. The claim Protestants view God this way does not merit response, it is embarrassing, but the sin of the Israelites was in worship of created things. They could have affirmed the supremacy of Yahweh all they liked but the moment they fell down before any created thing, any thing which was not Yahweh, they were guilty of an abomination. Isaiah 42:8 "I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images."
>turned their backs on Him
There is abundant evidence the Jews worshipped Yahweh alongside the false gods, for this, their worship was rejected. Is your worship not rejected?
>We do not honor the saints as ends of themselves, we honor them as works of God's glory
Therefore (by the same reasoning) honor Neptune and Sol Invictus all the more, for did God not make the sea and the sun? But such is an abomination because worship is reserved for the creator alone, and never the creation.So too are prayers to saints an abomination

>>17821146
What happened when people began to "venerate" that image?

>>17821161
>The worship of unworthy recipients.
Yeah because you can't even define what worship is. Whatever shallow form of christianity you believe in thinks worship is just prayer and singing songs, which is no wonder why you're offended by our religious practices.
>I worship Jesus. Jesus is my God. Do you confess the same with respect to Mary?
No, literally no Catholic does this. Be serious. Jesus is our God. We worship Jesus as our God. True worship of God is putting Him as your final end, your purpose in life, re-orienting all things you do for His glory and love. We live for unity with Christ in heaven. Its not just asking Him for things and singing songs. We don't orient our lives towards Mary as our final end. We have Mary as a fellow Christian to guide us to Jesus and keep us on His path, who is glorified above others because of her unique role.
>I wholeheartedly agree: I am worshipping Jesus, and the pagan is worshipping Odin, and you are worshipping Mary. The difference between these actions is the object.
Again ,you don't really know what "worship" is. If its really as shallow as asking someone for favors then you would be right, but God asks more from us. See above.
>Would he have done so if your actions were identical, but directed at Baal and Asherah instead of Mary? What if the Jews were just venerating the golden calf, would that have been ok and if not, why?
Yeah because Baal and Asherah are false gods whos cults are in competition with the Lord. If the Jews were just venerating the calf as some channel to the Lord, then it would be wrong, but not idolatry, Moses would just correct them and tell them that worship of the Lord was proscribed in a specific way already that does not involve this. Your hypothetical is if the Jews used the calf as a way of worshipping God. So, no it would not be idolatry, but it would be incorrect since its not how God asked them to worship.

>>17821161
>The new ark of the covenant is Jesus of Nazareth in whom the fullness of God dwells bodily.
What was the ark? It was a material that contained the commandments of God and manna from heaven. Jesus is the Word and the bread of life. The ark was venerated by Jews because of what it contained, likewise Mary is venerated by us because of what she contained in her womb. But neither the Hebrews nor Catholics venerated the old ark or new ark because it was special on its own. Only because it was something God used to contain his presence in the world. Remember, the final end of these acts is God.
>No, that specifically is wrong. The claim Protestants view God this way does not merit response, it is embarrassing, but the sin of the Israelites was in worship of created things. They could have affirmed the supremacy of Yahweh all they liked but the moment they fell down before any created thing, any thing which was not Yahweh, they were guilty of an abomination.
They worshipped creatures because they believed these creatures had powers of their own outside of God that they could take favor from instead. Its subconsciously thinking God is in competition. Its an abomination because of that thinking, or thinking that any creature could have powers that are God's alone. This does not apply to the Catholic veneration of saints for reasons I've already explained multiple times.
>There is abundant evidence the Jews worshipped Yahweh alongside the false gods, for this, their worship was rejected. Is your worship not rejected?
See above.
>Therefore (by the same reasoning) honor Neptune and Sol Invictus all the more, for did God not make the sea and the sun? But such is an abomination because worship is reserved for the creator alone, and never the creation.So too are prayers to saints an abomination
Neptune and Sol Invictus are pagan personifications of natural forces. This is not the same as saints living in heaven who only do the will of God.

>>17821183
>Yeah because you can't even define what worship is.
No sir, you can't define what worship is. You can't tell me the difference between true worship and false worship (because you have destroyed the distinction by your worship of creatures). This now is a radical skeptical attack on biblical teaching, indeed, the foundation of religion; as if men did not know what worship is.
>Whatever shallow form of christianity you believe in thinks worship is just prayer and singing songs
The true, biblical and authentic Christianity (any one of which would be inappropriate to apply to your religion) I follow recognizes along with the entire body of mankind that worship is religious reverence, adoration, devotion, and service, which yes, includes prayer and worship song.
>No, literally no Catholic does this
Then your analogy falls apart and the question stands. Again, besides the object, what difference is there between the so-called "veneration" of the saints and rank pagan idolatry? I say there is none.
>If its really as shallow as asking someone for favors
After this I will once again post a prayer to Mary written by Romish Doctor Alphonsus Liguori which fully exposes this deception and reveals the idolatrous worship of Mary (and other saints) for what it is.
>Yeah because Baal and Asherah are false gods whos cults are in competition with the Lord
So, yes, the only difference is the object. God does not play around with the subject of worship. When you steal His glory and give it to creatures, His anger burns hot, this is identified in scripture as the worst possible sin. You cannot worship God "through" the creature, for in so doing you place your devotion on the creature, who is not worthy to receive it, and deny the uniqueness of God by your action. Any cult besides the cult of Yahweh is in competition with that one. Worship God in spirit and in truth.

>>17821183
>If the Jews were just venerating the calf as some channel to the Lord, then it would be wrong, but not idolatry, Moses would just correct them and tell them that worship of the Lord was proscribed in a specific way already that does not involve this. Your hypothetical is if the Jews used the calf as a way of worshipping God. So, no it would not be idolatry, but it would be incorrect since its not how God asked them to worship.
When did Moses ever prohibit the veneration of images, and where was the cult of saints commanded by God? Are you not aware that Aaron said "these are your gods which delivered you from Egypt", identifying the calf with the Lord? And if it was prohibited because that was not how they were to worship God, do you not concede that worship and veneration are one and the same, for how could it matter how they were to worship if they did not worship?

Scripture is so incredibly clear, and you are trying so hard to escape from it. Their actions, obviously, were prohibited by the commandments where He said "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" and "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image", and so are yours. Stop it. Come out of Rome and come to the true faith. You see how the scripture and the magisterium contradict, before you stands a choice and you shall make one. You will either believe the word of God in scripture or you will believe the men of the magisterium. Do not hesitate to cling to divine revelation and reject the false religion of Rome, as God commanded "Come out of her, my people".

>>17821183
>Most Holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to Thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day.>I venerate Thee, great Queen, and I thank Thee for the many graces Thou hast bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins.

>I love Thee, most dear Lady; and for the love I bear Thee, I promise to serve Thee willingly for ever and to do what I can to make Thee loved by others also. I place in Thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the strength to overcome them until death. From Thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through Thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God, I pray Thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in heaven, there to bless Thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope
No power will make this abomination Christian.

>>17821201
>What was the ark?
It was the altar of sacrifice which also held the special presence of God.
>The ark was venerated by Jews
No it wasn't, and any who did so would have been put to death as an idolater.
>They worshipped creatures because they believed these creatures had powers of their own outside of God that they could take favor from instead.
But at no point does scripture make the immorality of their actions contingent upon their doctrines, idolatry is an abomination in and of itself because it gives worship which is due to the creator alone to the creation, as you also do.
>See above.
I see nothing which addresses the point, on the contrary, I see you giving yourself common cause with your forerunners in the false prophets by excusing your idolatry on the grounds you also worship Yahweh (which is rejected for its corruption).

>>17816276 (OP)
Nevermind this being a demonic manifestation (assuming it actually happened), we also have:

. No contacting dead people: “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-11)

. Jesus is all we need: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

>>17816276 (OP)
Most Catholics I’ve met think they’re fake.

>>17821146
Moses said "look at it", not "worship it".

And here's a follow up on that:

“¶ He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.” (2 Kings 18:4)

Accursed idol just like the catholic pantheon.

>>17818542
It's pretty crazy, the Egyptians shut power down and everything

>>17821337
Well Mary is not dead, according to Catholics.
Also Marian apparitions don't contradict Timothy.

>>17821287
>But at no point does scripture
Scripture also does not contain the definition of an Egyptian either but we know from context clues and historical information. The scriptures are not standalone things, they exist in a particular time and place and must be understood in their historical contexts. No Jewish person from that era would have assumed all sculptures are evil, just because they are images.

>>17821280
>You cannot worship God "through"
Is a Cross an idol? Is an altar? Is a Bible?

>>17816276 (OP)
>Our Lady of Fátima
>Maria was a meter tall
>With black eyes
>A "silver sun" (alien saucer) was spinning in the sky
NOTHING NOTICEABLE. IGNORE IT.