How the FUCK did Chiang Blow this lead?
>US support
>Soviets recognized the KMT government and were skeptical of Mao
>Communist forces scattered and expelled from Yennan
>Nationalists in control of most of China
>
Fumble of the fucking millenium, Jesus

>>17818455 (OP)
when I was getting my history degree in 2018 I actually wrote my capstone project on the Chinese Civil War, trying to answer this question of how the Nationalists lost despite having such a massive advantage and huge foreign support, and why America was backing someone so ridiculously incompetent that they would lose when they outnumbered the enemy 3:1 in soldiers and had many other advantages So you might be interested to read it. Here's a link to the pdf:
https://gofile.io/d/hAhUEl

The tl;dr is that the Nationalists were a brutal repressive dictatorship that engaged in extrajudicial killings on a mass scale. They were extremely corrupt, incompetent, and had wrecked the economy. Inflation was completely out of control. The communists succeeded as a revolutionary movement because they were promising real change, primarily in the area of radical land reform, which is to say murdering landlords and then giving free real estate to their former tenants. The Nationalists really didn't have an answer to this other than calling the communists bandits, which people weren't bothered by. Meanwhile they put all their best units into fighting in Manchuria, but those units just sat in cities and refused to seek and destroy communists, meaning they were eventually surrounded and destroyed one by one. Then the communists were strong enough to win the war conventionally as the Nationalists folded from one loss after another and tremendous numbers of defections.

It's a bit rough going back and reading it now, there are definitely things I would have done differently if I wrote it now, and frustratingly a bunch of copy errors despite how many times I proofread it. Anyway if you want to skip the historical context of the US China relationship and GMD-CCP relationship, and go straight to the war start on page 27, though it talks about non military factors until page 38.

>>17818480
Oh shit high effort post on /his/, thanks brother

>>17818480
Thanks for sharing. My capstone should have been different entirely, you picked a good subject.

>>17818480
the USA also withdrew crucial economic support for Nationalist China while the civil war was raging because of Nationlist corruption/unreliability
The Soviet also delayed their withdrawal from Manchuria and allowed communists to infiltrate the countryside in Manchuria. Most communist bases was in the Central plains

>>17818455 (OP)
The KMT regime was disintegrating even before 1945. Fundamentally the problem is that most of China's industrial capacity was captured by the Japanese in 1937 and the war lasted another eight years. The economy couldn't handle that and Jiang's practice of allowing high levels of requisition from peasants didn't help

Chiang took the brunt of the Japanese invasion while the Soviets gave the PRC Manchuria and all of Japan's stuff.

>>17818501
As discussed in the paper, the Soviet delay of withdrawal was specifically negotiated for by Chiang (Sino-Soviet agreement of 1945) because the nationalists did not have the strength to immediately occupy Manchuria, and if the Soviets had withdrawn at the time the Yalta agreement originally called for them to the Communists would have been in a position to take over all of Manchuria. Chiang actually gave the Soviets very large concessions in exchange for them staying, basically allowing them to dismantle and cart back to Russia most of Manchuria's factories. I don't know where this idea came from that this was some dastardly Soviet plot to help the CCP, and you're not the first person I've seen say it, but it's completely wrong.

Additionally, this idea that the US betrayed the nationalists by very briefly turning off the taps of military aid during the Marshall mission is also incorrect (or if you were referring to the ending of military aid in late 1948 the war was already lost by that point). The nationalists had their best campaign season in 1946, which was after the US had shut off supplying military aid to them. They captured the communist capital, and permanently destroyed communist bases in central china. It was only in 1947 when things started to go against them, and the US had long since reloaded the trough by then.

>>17818507
>>17818504
read the second paragraph of this post
>>17818511

The nationalists were at their strongest at the early part of the civil war when according to your logic they should have been the most smashed by the war with Japan, while the communists would have had an advantage from not having had to hold the front line. I think your argument is critically flawed for not explaining this discrepancy.

>>17818493
what was yours about? And out of curiosity what are you doing now that you've graduated? I worked as a civil servant for a while then went to law school.

>>17818455 (OP)
ignore >>17818480
and read pic related.

>>17818513
>And out of curiosity what are you doing now that you've graduated

Tried to apply for a bunch of state and county jobs. Washed out of all of them. Don't think the resumes were even looked at. Then got desperate and tried to go back to applying trade skills- machining or welding. Couldn't get those either. Got a little more desperate so then I worked at a parts store as a cashier. Then dropped out because I was making 10$ an hour. Now I don't do anything and have no hope of doing anything. I'm thinking about escaping the country. Lots of my friends are making it big overseas.

>>17818455 (OP)
Mao had the Mandate of Heaven

>>17818522
sorry to hear that. Have you ever thought about going to law school? It really worked out great for me, I absolutely love the law, I get to put my love of history and writing to use every day. In school I learned a lot, took many interesting classes, and secured a job a year before I even graduated at a big law firm that started me at $175k. That would be a lot better than fleeing the country, don't you think?

>>17818513
1946 was immediately after the war with Japan ended when the KMT was the only army in China with any heavy weapons and aircraft. But the foundations of their government have been so thoroughly wrecked they see so many defections the Communists have a perfectly good conventional army within a matter of months. Nothing like that had happened in the first part of the civil war even though the issues of corruption and land reform were just as present then. This also helps explain why, after more or less successfully stopping Japanese expansion between 1939 and 1944, the NRA shattered on contact during Operation Ichi-Go. Even the core popular support base of the regime no longer believed in the cause

>>17818515
I've read this god awful book and this book only persuades those who are already inclined to agree. Surrendering your ability to think independently by blindly accepting a single viewpoint while disregarding others is a disservice to your own intellect. You are really fucking pathetic.

>>17818527
I don't have enough money to gamble towards a new career. If I sell my things I could get a plane ticket and good enough rent to last a while.

>>17818535
I don't believe you read the book. The book, even if you disagree with it, is amazingly written.

>>17818539
Tell me about the author and why should I believe him. Also, why should I listen to you, an intellectual coward?

>>17818537
you say
>I don't have enough money to gamble towards a new career
in a country where the government will give you literally unlimited loans for tuition and living expenses when you're pursuing a degree. Say what you want about our student loan system, it has created an environment where you cannot ever say "I can't go to school because I can't afford it."

Getting an education for a profession that makes you highly employable and gives you a license that allows you to generate capital on your own is too much of a gamble, but selling all your possessions for a one way plane ticket overseas with apparently just the shirt on your back and no prospects is a sure thing to you?

>>17818548
>unlimited loans for tuition and living expenses
I'm already 20k and making nothing. What sense would it make to go 120k under and still have nothing? The job market isn't what it used to be. I knew a guy with a masters in computer science and ended up jobless for six months and spent six more months working fast food until he left. The US is a sinking ship. People on the bridge don't know it yet, but the people at the aft end have already sunken.

>but selling all your possessions for a one way plane ticket overseas with apparently just the shirt on your back and no prospects is a sure thing to you?

It's working for everyone else. I only know one guy married to an American woman that hasn't been divorced and robbed- everyone else is married to a foreign girl too. America sucks all around. I've got to get out before it's too late for me. Wasted enough years in this third world shit hole.

>>17818554
>>17818548
The law school thing is good advice if you can get into something Ivy League or close to it. If not you're just taking a quarter million in nondischargeable debt

>>17818543
Believe him? He mostly just writes about his experiences in china. Unless you think he's just making all that shit up. You kind of have to believe that the author is telling you the truth as he sees it when it comes to historical accounts.

The reason I don't think you read the book is because he writes some ridiculous shit in it, and it's often not brought up when people discuss it.

>>17818558
Getting into an elite law school is just a matter of having a high cumulative college GPA and LSAT score. They're not super elitist about where you went to college, surprisingly. It's much easier to get into harvard law school than harvard college.

My cumulative undergrad GPA was shit because I dropped out of college twice before realizing I wanted to pursue history, so the best I could do was a school near me ranked 100 something. But I made up for it by distinguishing myself at this undistinguished school, getting good grades, being on law review, etc, which helped me land this job at a national firm. Many of my classmates did as well, some even going to top manhattan firms. So don't think if you didn't go to Yale there's no point of becoming a lawyer.

>>17818554
who said anything about computer science, we're talking about law. And the US isn't a sinking ship, cut the histrionic bullshit. America is and will remain one of the best countries in the world, even if our government is not the best. If America "sinks" there is nowhere you as an unemployable nobody without wealth or family connections can go that will be better. Do what you want, but know that you're squandering your potential and disgracing the rest of the tribe of us History degree holders.

>>17818558
>f not you're just taking a quarter million in nondischargeable debt

Exactly.

>>17818558
>Ivy League
Well I'm not black or jewish and I'm a veteran so that's not happening.

>>17818501
The dissertation anon has more details, but the idea that it was Soviet help that aided Mao doesn't strike me as accurate, because Stalin was pro-Chiang and pro-KMT in reality. He wanted Mao and the communists to lay down their arms and support a post-war KMT government. This sounds weird but that's Stalin for ya, he didn't like communists who were outside of his control and made their own decisions (also see Tito).

From what I've read about it, the communist victory came down to a very Chinese-type peasant revolution mixed with a Robin Hood-type conflict between the poor vs. the rich in a country with vast regions that hadn't changed much since antiquity. It was like Morrowind, a really crazy and strange country and it'd be better off getting started reading Water Margin from the 14th century rather than Marxist-Leninist dogma.

>>17818582
being a lawyer is one of the few professions that actually puts you in a position to easily repay that debt, also I graduated with low 5 figure debt, it doesn't have to be a quarter million. You can get scholarships, well paid internships, and go to a more affordable public school instead of an expensive private one.

>>17818593
Even in early 1949 when the Nationalists had their defensive lines utterly smashed, Stalin told Mao not to overextend himself and to sue for peace with Chiang by partitioning northern China as communist and southern China as nationalist. This was of course ignored. And I agree with your point that the CCP really succeeded as a revolutionary movement first and foremost, where the Chinese people saw themselves as being liberated from the Nationalists. Just a shame that as horrible as the nationalists were they were just your bog standard corrupt and incompetent repressive authoritarian capitalists. The communists turned China into a unique totalitarian hell, not just the ordinary third world shithole the nationalists would have made it.

>>17818562
Anecdotes only tell one side of the story. Why do you put so much weight and belief into Townsend?
>You kind of have to believe that the author is telling you the truth as he sees it when it comes to historical accounts.
Dumb tourist. Historical accounts are shaped by bias, so they should be questioned, not just believed. It's obvious that you're too dumb to understand that though. Your knowledge of history clearly doesn't go beyond greentexts on 4chan. You are so pitiful, I can't even hate you for being this retarded.

>>17818593
>>17818604
Personally I still rate Chiang above Mao as a leader. Chiang got dealth with some really bad hands. His record as a leader before the Japanese invasion and after losing the civil war was good

>>17818575
America's system of education financing alone is enough to skip your debts and flee the country and its cost of living (even ignoring student debt) is insane, I miss the food but it'd take a lot more than that to lure me back
t. unemployable nobody

>>17818575
>who said anything about computer science
Learn to code was the order of the day as close as 3 years ago. 10 years ago it was the dream job to have- you could look forward to paid lunches, generous vacation, fat pay checks with yearly or quarterly bonuses, work from home-the list goes on. Now look at it: it's contracted by 55% of its 2018-2022 fluctuation. It's a microcosm of every industry, yours just hasn't been hit yet.

>cut the histrionic bullshit
Well you know if we made that kind of money we could all afford to live in la-la land too. There's tens of millions of people in my same position.

>America is and will remain one of the best countries in the world
Fucking delusional. Of course, you live well enough to be that blinded now, but it won't last forever, on the contrary.

>If America "sinks" there is nowhere you as an unemployable nobody without wealth or family connections can go that will be better
I don't know man. I'm hearing lots of success stories come from overseas. That just doesn't seem true. My dad even has a friend whose entire family moved to Venezuela of all places and they're even doing alright. I would not have believed that ten years ago.

>Do what you want, but know that you're squandering your potential and disgracing the rest of the tribe of us History degree holders
Look I get it, this is a personal thing, but the US isn't it anymore. It's not like most US based history degree holders are patriotic or nationalistic or any of that. On the contrary, in my experience. By all rights I should be in your position, being a fifth generation vet whose family goes back longer than most. Turns out the only thing that makes Americans patriotic is money and that well is drying up. There's nothing to be proud of anymore. Maybe there was decades ago. Who knows.

>>17818630
>America's system of education financing alone is enough to skip your debts and flee the country and its cost of living (even ignoring student debt) is insane, I miss the food but it'd take a lot more than that to lure me back
Common, but still hot take. But I can't afford to eat out any more like most Americans so it's just a matter of which countries have decent groceries.

>>17818455 (OP)
Becuase Chiang's KMT was just a drug cartel working for Jews, British and Americans. The EIC didn't want to tarnish his reputation by running the Opium directly on their own ships, so Jewish merchant families were hired as subcontractors to do the actual transport. FDR's family got rich from Opium in China, he had a personal stake in this. When the Japanese invaded Chinese cities, the Japanese would first loot everything and then begin selling opium/tobacco cigarettes & open brothels to try and extract the hidden money ("Gold Warriors" and "The Last Kings of Shangha" are good books about this), which is what brought them to war with US.

David Sassoon and his sons controlled over 60% of Opium trade to China after the second Opium war, surpassing even Jardine, Matheson and Company (the largest British company in the Opium Trade). David was from Baghdad and operated out of Bombay.

Victor Sassoon, direct descendant of David, built many famous hotels and buildings off of his slave dollars in China. Including but not limited to the Peace hotel in Shanghai, which was renamed from the Cathay hotel after the communists took over because they don't even present accurate history to their constituents.

Soong Ching Ling, Chiang's Wife's sister and one of the most famous and revered women in the eyes of the Chinese confiscated Marble Hall, one of the most famous buildings in Shanghai, from the Kadoorie family. I wonder how they got all that money. The Kadoorie family quite literally built Hong Kong from the ground up after the Japanese occupation ended post world war 2 and the grandson of the patriarch in the family is still alive today worth several billion dollars. Yet Chicoms does not have any recorded mention of them because their own history is falsified to their constituents.

>>17818653
After the war KMT rule was restored but unexpectedly evicted from China by the Communists shortly. The KMT who scattered into Burma instead of Taiwan started the drug trade there, forming the Golden Triangle. Widespread Opium use ended quickly after the Communist takeover, which is all you need to know about the relations between different factions and the drug trade.

>The Kuomintang in Burma (Chinese: 泰緬孤軍; pinyin: Tàimiǎn gū jūn; Wade–Giles: T‘ai4-mien3 ku1 chün1) or Kuomintang in the Golden Triangle, which was officially known as the Yunnan Province Anti-Communist National Salvation Army (Chinese: 雲南反共救國軍; pinyin: Yúnnán fǎngòng jìuguó jūn; Wade–Giles: Yün2-nan3 Fan3-kung4 Chiu4-kuo2 Chün1) were troops of the Republic of China Army loyal to the Kuomintang that fled from China to Burma in 1950 after their defeat by the Chinese communists in the Chinese Civil War. They were commanded by Lieutenant-General Li Mi. It attempted several incursions into Yunnan in the early 1950s, only to be pushed back into Burma each time by the People's Liberation Army

>The entire campaign, with logistical support from the Republic of China which had retreated to Taiwan, the United States, and Thailand, was controversial from the start, as it weakened Burmese sovereignty and introduced the KMT's involvement in the region's lucrative opium trade. In 1953, the frustrated Burmese government appealed to the United Nations and put international pressure on the Republic of China to withdraw its troops to Taiwan the following year. As a result, the United States initiated a Four-Nation Military Commission (Burma, the United States, the Republic of China, and Thailand) to negotiate the KMT withdrawal. On 30 May 1954, General Li Mi announced the dissolution of the Yunnan Province Anti-Communist National Salvation Army. However, 6,000 irregular KMT troops remained in Burma

>favela monkey shits up the thread with posts about the chinese revolution being a freemason affair o algo
the ghetto monkeys really can't help themselves can they

>>17818619
Mao may have been potato incarnate as head of state (though a tremendous leader and strategist) I have to rate Chiang lower for literally wanting ww3 to happen because he saw it as his only realistic way back into power. He thought it was inevitable that there would be a nuclear war between the US/NATO/SEATO on one side and USSR/Warsaw pact/China on the other. America would win, and he'd be made head of state of the atomic ash pile formerly known as China. He talked about this extensively in his journal, which was published after one party rule was ended.

>>17818638
go ahead then, move to Venezuela lmao

>>17818653
Do you really feel like you're fighting against the powers when the mods here clearly have no issue with you avatarfagging, favelamonkey?

>>17818554
If you're a failed man in the US with a Bachelor's, you'll be absolutely fucked abroad lmao. What makes you think your skills will be worth squat to employers in what, Indonesia? Mexico?
>t. American living in Brazil
I actually do make decent money here explicitly because I pursued law in the US and then started working with Capital Markets for a big American firm in their São Paulo office. Get paid in USD but live in Brazil so my purchasing power is basically quadrupled, but it all still required an American J.D. to accomplish

>>17818604
>The communists turned China into a unique totalitarian hell, not just the ordinary third world shithole the nationalists would have made it.
Unironically still worth it only because of Deng Xiaoping coming along. Say what you will about the Mao era, but the Communist Party has governed China quite wisely and pragmatically in the last 40 years. Jiang Zemin was also a real All Business, No Bullshit type of manager who ran a watertight ship.

>>17818638
>moved to Venezuela
Absolutely ludicrous lmao. We even had Venezuelan refugees in Argentina when Argentina's economy was (still is) in the shitter.
If you said moving to Costa Rica, Buenos Aires, Uruguay, Chile, or Panama I'd believe you because those places are actually bearable and quite nice, but the rest of Latin America is actual hot garbage and we (its inhabitants) want to leave it for a reason. Sure I guess it's alright when you have USD saved up and use the Exchange Rate cheat code, but that only works explicitly because of US power which makes the US Dollar what it is.

>>17818638
wait you have a CS degree, not a history degree?

>>17818698
>What makes you think your skills will be worth squat to employers in what, Indonesia? Mexico?
My friends who got foreign wives are all still happily married. My friends who went overseas are all big shots. The ones who stayed behind aren't really making it. No one I know under 40 anyways.
>I actually do make decent money
lmfao you're the standard case guy. How do you not know about this??

>>17818704
I shall not memoryhole the zero covid policy, and neither should you.

>>17818712
was reading some articles recently talking about US citizens who retired to Ecuador and bought land there not knowing what to do now that the country is falling apart. Very disturbing to read about what has become of that place.

>>17818715
No, I have lots of friends with CS and IT degrees. They're basically all struggling. The best among them are doing help support type gigs.

>>17818698
>What makes you think your skills will be worth squat to employers in what, Indonesia? Mexico?

Also, foreign countries have factories if nothing else. Trade jobs are hard to get into the US now. In my state there are waiting lists to become plumbers and electricians. It's ironic there are people advocating for law degrees because I knew a guy who dropped out of law school to become a plumber because they start making 85k at the company he works for and if he picks up extra jobs he can make between 130-140k. It shaved off three years of schooling which he was not in the mood to pay nor do. My entire county has only two major factories that hire and they're not hiring anymore. We've lost like four in the last decade. I'm telling you this country is COOKED.

>>17818737
you're really going to go to Indonesia and work in a factory in third world conditions for third world wages? Do your ambitions really not rise higher than this?

>>17818746
>Do your ambitions really not rise higher than this
You have no idea how bad things really are if you're wasting the time to type this.

>>17818751
not for me, I don't get caught up in doomerist nonsense. I went from college dropout NEET to lawyer, so I have little patience for that.

>>17818698
congrats

>>17818756
I routinely make thousands in crypto but those markets are too rough. Rent in my rat trap went from 500 to 1k for no apparent reason. I'm out of options. When the stock market goes you legal guys will too. It'll be like the great depression when managers were throwing themselves off rooftops and doctors were ODing.

>>17818513
>>17818522
So studying history is not worth it? I ask because I dropped out of 2 degrees I hated but applied for cause of the potential wages later on. History is one of the few things I actually enjoy learning about but as I feared there’s very little pay off vis a vis job security and salary.

>>17818799
General degree holding will do nothing for you unless you're going to certify as a teacher or move into another field. Nobody is going to hire you as manager and you won't get an office job with it. Those are memes from the 70s and 80s.

>>17818799
Oh and the military is mainly looking for STEM for officers. They'll take anyone for enlisted though. In the Navy you don't even need a high school diploma but for some reason they have specific requirements for officers.

>>17818782
that's hogwash, you think people stop getting sued when the stock market goes down? And if you're a bankruptcy attorney that's when business is booming.

>>17818799
I don't regret my history degree at all. I went for it after having dropped out of college twice. First time I didn't know what I wanted to do and was just depressed. Second time I fell for the stem meme and was in a program I didn't care at all about, so obviously it didn't work. Worked for a number of years, then finally went back to school in my late 20s and got my history degree because I knew it was what I was passionate about. I also knew it wouldn't necessarily get me in the door for any specific job, but without a degree, any degree, there are so many doors that just aren't even open. I was working as an EMT while doing my degree, and after graduating continued that while looking for something better. Got a job in my state government as an investigator (was only able to take the civil service exam because I had a degree) did that for a few years, but found it boring and didn't enjoy being a bureaucratic enforcer, as well as the avenues for promotion being limited. I always want to be moving onward and upward. So I saw going to law school as the only way to raise my station. Happily it has.

But even so, I am very proud of my history degree. I learned many interesting things, took great classes with stimulating professors, and wrote papers I was proud to put my name on like that China paper I posted above. If you enjoy history then I definitely recommend it, but I would also recommend then going to law school if you have any interest in the legal profession. It does have a very strong crossover to history.

>>17818480
Why (and how) did Chiang rely on a bunch of Chinese gangsters to kill the communists?

>>17818877
>you think people stop getting sued when the stock market goes down? And if you're a bankruptcy attorney that's when business is booming

With what money? That's not how it worked in the depression.

>>17818877
>but without a degree, any degree, there are so many doors that just aren't even open
>civil service exam

How fucking ancient are you?

>>17818943
I graduated college in May 2018, took every civil service exam I could, and started with NY state as an investigator in October 2019. My plan was to continue working as an EMT, and if I hadn't found a better job by the end of 2019 I'd go to law school.

These civil service exams are all still being offered, I still get emails all the time about job openings in NY state and NYC government, so idk what you're on about.

>>17818939
This is silly, you think in an economic downturn everyone suddenly becomes flat broke? At the very worst peak of the great depression the unemployment rate was 25%, which means 75% of able bodied men were still working and making money. Businesses were still running, and that means they needed lawyers to negotiate contracts and to represent them in litigation.

>>17818935
I can't give you any more detail about that than what's in the paper, since I didn't research the 1920s stuff in as much as the rest of the paper. I just remember reading Chiang had contacts with gangsters that he made use of in the Shanghai massacre, and thought that would be a fun detail to include.

>>17818943
Lol clueless

>>17818991
>This is silly, you think in an economic downturn everyone suddenly becomes flat broke
When money is devalued, yes. Our unemployment rate is higher now if you factor in those over 28 who haven't held a job for 5 weeks or more. And btw the day of the dollar is coming to an end as countries are already moving away from it.

>These civil service exams are all still being offered, I still get emails all the time about job openings in NY state and NYC government, so idk what you're on about.

Civil service exam usually refers to the pre-1981 exam shut down due to racism. The post 2015 exams usually go by the name of the department you took it under, unless New York has a separate state exam that I wouldn't know about. When you said college degrees open doors I about fell out of my seat trying to calculate the last time an arbitrary degree holding guaranteed a good job.

>>17819949
Are you the same doomer anon as before? I don't think your pronouncements and predictions about our economy are accurate. But if you think our money is being devalued and is going to be hyperinflated and worthless in the near future why are you so afraid of taking out student loans? As a debtor, a run on the currency is effectively a free writeoff on your then existing loans.

>Civil service exam usually refers to the pre-1981 exam shut down due to racism
the term is still in use in NY, not heard of it being phased out in other states.

>I about fell out of my seat trying to calculate the last time an arbitrary degree holding guaranteed a good job.
Never said it guaranteed a good job, on the contrary my point is that it doesn't. But having a degree is important just to be eligible for many jobs, as was the case for me when I got a job with the state. Plus you need to have a college degree to go to law school, so there's a door that opens once you get your degree.

>>17818455 (OP)
>YELLOW PERIL

>>17818653
Becuase Chiang's KMT was just a drug cartel working for Jews, British and Americans. The EIC didn't want to tarnish his reputation by running the Opium directly on their own ships, so Jewish merchant families were hired as subcontractors to do the actual transport. FDR's family got rich from Opium in China, he had a personal stake in this. When the Japanese invaded Chinese cities, the Japanese would first loot everything and then begin selling opium/tobacco cigarettes & open brothels to try and extract the hidden money ("Gold Warriors" and "The Last Kings of Shangha" are good books about this), which is what brought them to war with US.

David Sassoon and his sons controlled over 60% of Opium trade to China after the second Opium war, surpassing even Jardine, Matheson and Company (the largest British company in the Opium Trade). David was from Baghdad and operated out of Bombay.

Victor Sassoon, direct descendant of David, built many famous hotels and buildings off of his slave dollars in China. Including but not limited to the Peace hotel in Shanghai, which was renamed from the Cathay hotel after the communists took over because they don't even present accurate history to their constituents.

Soong Ching Ling, Chiang's Wife's sister and one of the most famous and revered women in the eyes of the Chinese confiscated Marble Hall, one of the most famous buildings in Shanghai, from the Kadoorie family. I wonder how they got all that money. The Kadoorie family quite literally built Hong Kong from the ground up after the Japanese occupation ended post world war 2 and the grandson of the patriarch in the family is still alive today worth several billion dollars. Yet Chicoms does not have any recorded mention of them because their own history is falsified to their constituents.

>>17819996
>I don't think your pronouncements and predictions about our economy are accurate
Your economy, my economy is already dead. Like I said I'm coming from two sectors that won't hire me and my particular money market crashed. Realistically crypto was dead in 2020, but you squeeze water from that stone up until about a year ago. Now it's just better to cut losses and move on.
>But if you think our money is being devalued and is going to be hyperinflated and worthless in the near future
It's inevitable. The US dollar is based on its use by third parties. America using the dollar means nothing- but we're able to force everyone else to use our dollar. But BRICS already established a dozen countries willing to move away from it. China and Russia are already off of it and they're taking the eastern hemisphere with it. Even contracts in South America are being performed through Chinese pecuniary instruments. 150 countries in total are looking at moving away from the dollar. If only a few dozen leave that means the value of the dollar collapses. When you look at libertarian Argentina and they grow 8% and you look at socialist Venezuela and they grow 8.5% you have to ask yourself what else is going on in the world outside of ideology. It's plain and simple- the death of the dollar.
>why are you so afraid of taking out student loans
If there is one thing we've learned it's that the hyper-capitalist luxury driven country of these United States will never forgive loans and the trend towards exorbitant necessities (education, healthcare, cost of living, property) are soaring with no chance of coming down, and in a crash everyone is going to hold what they got. Because we have so many people that see Marx in their nightmares seven times a week it means we will never see a chance of relief. Ironically it was Reagan that last did something like that but those days are gone.

>>17820146
>The Green Gang (Chinese: 青幫; pinyin: Qīng Bāng) was a Chinese secret society and criminal organization, which was prominent in criminal, social and political activity in Shanghai during the early to mid 20th century

>By the 20th century it had acquired such wealth and power that it had become corrupt, and included many successful businessmen. Under Du Yuesheng, it controlled the criminal activities in the entire city of Shanghai. The Green Gang focused on opium (which was supported by local warlords), extortion, gambling, and prostitution. Shanghai was considered by some the vice capital of the world at that time

>The Green Gang was often hired by Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang to break up union meetings and labor strikes and was also involved in the Chinese Civil War. One of the leaders of the Green Gang, Ying Guixin, was also involved in Yuan Shikai's assassination of the rival politician Song Jiaoren in 1913. Carrying the name of the Society for Common Progress, it was — along with other criminal gangs — responsible for the White Terror massacre of approximately 5,000 pro-Communist strikers in Shanghai in April 1927, which was ordered by Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek. Chiang granted Du Yuesheng the rank of general in the National Revolutionary Army later

>The Green Gang was a major financial supporter of Chiang Kai-shek, who became acquainted with the gang when he lived in Shanghai from 1915 to 1923. The Green Gang shared its profits from the drug trade with the Kuomintang after the creation of the Opium Suppression Bureau. Chiang Kai-shek's brother-in-law and financial minister T. V. Soong also partnered with the pro-Chiang Green Gang to pressure Shanghai banks to buy up national securities. In the last two years of the Nanjing decade (1936–1937), the Green Gang continued to pressure big business to buy up national bonds, as a means of compensating for the lack of corporate tax imposed by the government

>As a debtor, a run on the currency is effectively a free writeoff on your then existing loans.
Your argument of money being valuable was based on this not being true. Did you change your mind so soon?
>on the contrary my point is that it doesn't
You told that poor guy that it was going to open doors. He already has student debt. Don't lie to him about it "opening doors" and giving him false hope for him to commit to something that's going to throw him further down the hole with no help in sight. It's your fucking kind that ruined this country and actively ruins peoples lives. You knew what you were doing.
>But having a degree is important just to be eligible for many jobs
This is not the case for the vast majority of people. State jobs are not all that numerous and they're highly competitive. He may be tempted to get a degree in history and then have to compete with people who have master's degrees in finance or STEM. There's no chance if he's white and we've got to be honest about that.
>Plus you need to have a college degree to go to law school
Are you getting paid to shill law or something? I don't get the obsession.

>>17820150
>the hyper-capitalist luxury driven country of these United States will never forgive loans
you are aware that our president declared bankruptcy 3 times, right? Literally hundreds of millions of dollars in loans get written off by bankruptcy courts or through private agreements every single day.

But hey, if you think things are so great in Venezuela I won't stop you from moving there.

>>17820155
are you getting paid to be a crab in a bucket? I'm telling people to invest in themselves and better themselves, you're saying don't do that.

>>17818480
interesting, thanks for this

>>17820203
You're right I'm wrong. How do I find the right BAR exam oriented school and get a JD?

>>17821139
sign up for the lsat, study and do as well as you can, then go to the highest ranked law school you can get into according to US News and world report

>>17821139
>How do I find the right BAR exam oriented school
You don't go for a "bar oriented exam school", you go to a T14, get the New York Bar, and then work for a big white shoe law firm and earn 250k+ as a starting salary
>t. U Michigan grad, currently working in Manhattan

>>17818480
>murdering landlords and then giving free real estate to their former tenants
It shoud also be noted that Landlords aren't really modern landlords, they were essentially petty slave owners. They were poor by Western standards (or any really standards) but generally were able to debt trap everyone around them into sadistic debt slavery. So of course, nobody had an issue with beating Landlords to death.
>When I first went to work for Sheng Ching-ho I was only 14.
>All the same, I had to do chores around the house.
>I was too small to carry full buckets, but I had to carry water from the well.
>I filled the buckets half full and brought them in that way.
>All the years I worked for Ching-ho, I never had a full stomach. I was hungry all the time.
>Every day he ate solid enough food, but he gave me only a little soup with millet in it.
>You could count the grains that were floating around in the water.
>Twice I got sick — worn out with work. And I was always cold.
>I never had food or clothes enough to keep warm.
>When I got sick, I couldn't work. Then the landlord was very angry.
>He got two men to carry me home so that he wouldn't have to feed me while I was sick.
>And he made my father pay for the laborer that took my place.
>My sickness cost him nothing. My own family had to bear the entire burden.
>No matter how hard I worked, I couldn't begin to pay off that debt.
>By the time I had been there several years, we owed him $15 instead of $4.

Has it ever occurred to you imperialist glazers that perhaps, just perhaps, the CCP was just better and on the right side of history?

>>17818515
>Ignore X and listen to only Y
Go back to larping as a golem of the jews retard christcuck

>>17821626
It simply was. As much as people might dislike modern chinks and the ccp (and there are tons of reasons to do so) Chiang was incompetent

>>17818608
>Why do you put so much weight and belief into Townsend?
If you believe the author is lying then you shouldn't trust anything the person says. This is especially true when it comes to eye witness accounts like Townsend. I usually accept what people say unless they have been proven to be lying.

>Historical accounts are shaped by bias
So I shouldn't trust anyone because they're all biased. Who do you think I should trust?

>>17818455 (OP)
Mao was the ubermensch. Nothing Chiang could do. Mao is second only to Hitler in greatness

>>17821623
Oh absolutely, it was feudal peonage in the middle of the 20th century.

>>17821626
That was a major theme of my paper, that the real reason the CCP succeeded was their strength as a revolutionary movement, because the GMD had so thoroughly pissed off everyone with their corruption and incompetence that people just wanted them gone.