Why can't Arab armies fight for shit? Is it because they're Muslims and all Muslims are dumb?

>>17819407 (OP)
It's not because they are muslim, Turkish and Iranian armies are much better and are muslim. Arab armies are shit because their armies are just controlled puppets to give power to whatever leader. American, Iranian, Israeli, and Turkish officers are on record saying Arab armies don't give out information to lower ranks and will flee from battle without considering the options. Also Tribalism still plays a huge part in arab society and this can be seen with their armies.

Even when ISIS defeated the Iraqi and Syrian armies, they still faced the same issues arab state armies had and were easily wiped out by Kurdish troops with American support

>>17819441
>It's not because they are muslim
Lol yes it is. They believe in Muhammad. You have to have an extremely low IQ to believe in Muhammad lol. lmao even.

Because arab "armies" are glorified colonial police designed to keep their populations in line rather than fight wars against other countries. This is noticible in the Toyota War specifically where Chad (a former French colony being supported by France) beat Libya (a rogue post-colonial state acting on its own). These "armies" were not designed to function without a benefactor in a greater power, and stagnation in these countries has led to them never evolving proper military doctrine (with the possible exception of Egypt pre Abraham Accords). Turkey and Iran to a lesser extent do not have these issues because they largely maintained their sovereignty in the face of foreign opposition and didn't have their countries hollowed out from the inside for hundreds of years by Turks and then Europeans. This same logic isn't exclusive to arabs either, African states are also inept when it comes to fighting wars, as are most Southeast Asian and LATAM ones outside of guerilla fighting which arabs also excell at. We're just most exposed to arabs getting their asses kicked since it's currently their century of humiliation when it comes to resource extraction. Also the petrodollar states in the gulf are good at literally nothing besides digging up oil since they have no history to speak of.

>>17819407 (OP)
>Is it because they're Muslims and all Muslims are dumb?

This statement is retarded, Muslims had some of the best generals/armies throughout history.

>Why can't Arab armies fight for shit?
Because 9 times out of 10 armies in the Middle East/North Africa aren't meant to fight foreign wars, they're meant to quell insurgency, rebellions from different ethnic/sectarian minorities and revolutions.

Also most leaders in the arab world (usually autocrats, kings or semi-democratically elected leaders) purposefully make the army weak and ineffective so they don't pose a coup threat. officers/leaders within the military are promoted based on loyalty to the regime not merit. This leads to incompetence from top to bottom.

Sometimes they just cut the middle man all together and have the president/autocrat be the de facto or straight up leader of the military. Algeria's president for example is also the minister of defense.

>>17819597
What he said. Also, for another perfect example, look at the Egyptian special forces. The US sent large numbers of trainers and 'advisors', along with all the gear and funding they needed, to create a credible and competent special forces outfit in Egypt. A few years later they came back and realized that all the men they'd trained had been replaced by incompetent and feckless nobodies who were politically connected - because the government didn't trust anybody competent enough to function without them.

>>17819701
This never happened

>>17819407 (OP)
It’s more to do with their culture and society behaviour, Arab societies favour nepotism very much compared to actually qualified people, like the Arab countries that are ruled by monarchies all have family members leading all branches of the military and the same applies to the democracy aspects like Syria where friends and family take all the high positions even if they’re not qualified.

Second is education, in addition to the above here people are woefully uneducated and still use the Oracle system the Americans gave them decades ago.

Last is their hatred for each other, the Arab world is so divided because sub sections of their religion, family and type of Arab background that they don’t really care about their brother in arms.

>>17819597
To be fair on Libya, having air superiority guarantees that you will win a war, Libyan vehicles and regiments go do nothing in open space of a desert where French Jets took them out with ease.

>>17819699
The thing is that fear is justified, anytime some Arab with gets power he gets uppity and wants control of the country, like what happened to the royal family in Iraq and other Arab monarchies. Every Arab will try to play god.

If arabs innevitably default to stratocracy when the military isn't retarded, then why don't they just all become military juntas like Pakistan? At least then they'd have a somewhat competent fighting force.

>>17819974
Then the American former special forces men who did the work are liars, and I'm sure you're much more credible than them.

>>17820078
Nice source bro
And yes americans always lie

>>17820178
>source: Trust me bro

>posts a bedouin

Arabs for most of the islamiv era have been ruled by Turks, Kurds, mongols etc
and they were raped a lot
That's one thing i learned from /his/

>>17819441
>Iranian armies are much better
And yet they've performed so miserably against israel.

>>17819983
>Arab societies favour nepotism very much compared to actually qualified people, like the Arab countries that are ruled by monarchies all have family members leading all branches of the military and the same applies to the democracy aspects like Syria where friends and family take all the high positions even if they’re not qualified
So basically Italy up to ww2.

>>17819407 (OP)
26 years later, and this is the still best article on why Arabs can't fight for shit. No one has been able to make any meaningful retort to it other than "dat's racist"
https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/why-arabs-lose-wars

Leonid Brezhnev also gave one of the best summaries of Arab military and political incompetence in the aftermath of the Yom Kilpur War:
>We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, "Save me!" He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Response_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>17820606
What are you talking about? Israel sneak attacked them during negotiations and utilized every sleeper cell and bit of sabatoge they had and still couldn't achieve any of their war aims (regime change, nuclear disarmament, convince US to invade, etcetera). All that happened is they bombed Tehran a ton, hit some oil fields, and killed a buncha Abduls only for them to be replaced by Husseins. Iran in return used kiddie gloves and bombed a shitton of their oil and energy infrastructure while also destroying their pentagon and razing Tel Aviv, so about tit-for-tat.

>>17819407 (OP)
Is it weird that I think young Gaddafi's kinda hot?

>>17819407 (OP)
Basically

>>17820741
Great post. People need to get over their fascination with large numbers. When the U.S. invaded Iraq, people said it would be WWIII based on all the equipment and men under arms that Saddam head, in reality it was a mop up operation. Men under arms is perhaps the most useless modern military stat and the second most useless stat is the amount of equipment they have. By that logic, North Korea has a more powerful army than most of the world because of the amount of men under arms, try to hold in your laughter on that one. Most second and third world militaries exist on paper, they largely exist to extort money from the population and keep people in fear. In the face of a skilled and determined opponent, they are no match. I think the "big numbers" war philosophy exists as old hat military thinking, more fitting for a time with men with muskets. Yea, having 50,000 well trained men with muskets was better than 30,000 well trained men muskets. But that thinking should have disappeared around the advent of guns that fire repeatedly. In fact even in the musket era and going back to the ancient world, smaller, more disciplined and well-trained armies routinely beat massive ones. So even then the thinking is questionable at best (See the battle of Watling street, the battle of Plassey, battle of Marathon, Battle of Red Cliffs etc.) Better positioning, better morale, better experience, better leadership, better choice of terrain, surprise, better tactics, better drill, better equipment oftentimes overcame huge number deficits, even 10 to 1 or more.
>inb4 "Hurr durr military exists in first world to extort money too, muh both sides."
At least they're much more effective in combat, have clear hierarchies, regular pay, modern training, tactics, and drill, and use modern coordinated attacks. Making that a moot point.

>>17819407 (OP)
Why does young Gaddafi look just like Anthony Wiener

>>17820776
He looked like Ted Bundy

>>17820606
Dude wtf are you talking about?
Recently pissrahell passed a law sentencing anyone sharing videos of Iran missiles 20 years in prison
Not even joking

>>17820761
>Iran in return used kiddie gloves
That's a cute way of saying that Iran were incapable of hitting any strategic target and had to resort to random bombing of civilians.

>>17820917
How does it feel to be an npc? Do you fell at all?

>>17819441
>iranians
Iranjeets are also shit and even before they were shit
Only turks can fight modern war in the mid east
>>17820761
>>17820917
What are you talking about
Iranjeets lost a fuckton of important military figures and civilians compared to israel
Iranjeets cant fight modern (and ancient wars too), they can only raise cuck flags
>>17821017
This
Any capable nation would not use gloves

>>17819407 (OP)
lack of unity. Too busy fighting eachother to fight any external threat.

>>17820917

>>17820776
He was Handsome

>>17821039
The only countries in the Middle East that can fight a modern war are Israel, America and Turkey

>>17821045
Oy vey since (you) don't know about it then it never happened right?
It's literally on yahoo news btw
Go read it yourself swine excrement. I don't work for your filthy yid race and I never will.

>>17821034
Why am I an npc? Please explain without kvetching. I'll check back in a few

>>17819407 (OP)
As bad as islam is, that's not what's preventing it, it's the cruel shitskin socialism they enslave and destroy their own nations with.

>>17821275
>>17821273
I hate kikes too but iranjeets are pathetic and they literally collaborated with kikes before btw

>>17820776
We know, Anna

>>17821426
Israjeets are worse thoughever

the turks and, to a lesser extent, the pakistanis are the only muslims worth a shit in combat

>>17821017
They struck their pentagon, they struck the idf headquarters, they destroyed their largest oilfield, they hit enough airbases to the point where Israeli jets had to land in Cyprus and refuel in the air with NATO help, they turned the iron dome into a fucking joke. Stop lying, if Iran wanted to actually win they would've launched more than single digit missiles and they would've done it in tandem with Hezbollah and the Houthis.
>>17821039
>israeli shill
>considers civilian deaths a marker for success in war
pottery

>>17821413
Islam is actually great for war if you see how the Afghans, Pakistanis and various militias in Africa are able to hold a steady discipline in their troops, the problem is Arabs are not good at modern war, they are a folk that take personal pleasure and comfort above all else.

>>17820851
Even in WW2 numbers meant little when supplies are gone and equipment can’t be replaced at a steady pace, like how Italy even when outnumbering British troops still repeatedly lost because they couldn’t feed their men.

>>17821924
Hezbollah and Houthis were already bombed to bits and besides so what if a few buildings were hit, any McDonald’s or one room office can be turned into a base of operations as long as the heads of the military are alive that’s all that counts.

>>17821273
if you cannot back up your claims then they are quite worthless

>>17822015
Pakistan is also garbage in peer to peer. They got completely dominated by India in a week in 1971 and surrendered like 100k troops. They have pretty crafty intelligence but that's about it lol.

>>17820917
>>17821273
Just searched for this and found nothing. Why are you lying?

>>17822245
>>17822307
I don't lie
But I am not your friend

>>17822302
Pakistan butt fucked shitndia very recently...

>>17823286
Chinese jets low diff French ones, that's not something specific to Pakistan.

>>17823410
>>17823286

Pakistan also lost planes but they were on the ground. Result was inconclusive to everyone who's not Indian, Pakistani, or retarded (redundant, I know).

I'm not impressed with the Indians or anything but fact is that all of their clashes with Pakistan have been either mediated ceasefires with no clear winner or unambiguous Indian victories. Like their buddy Iran, they're only good at funding terrorism through proxies.

>>17819456
Muhammad was a conquered who subjugated the entire middle east and even Persia

>>17823280
if you are not lying then provide a source. If you cannot provide a source it is only because you are a liar.

>>17819597
>Because arab "armies" are glorified colonial police designed to keep their populations in line rather than fight wars against other countries.
Pretty much this. Arab states militaries are a protection racket that exists to steal money from the real economy.

>>17819456
I hope youre an atheist and not some pajeet or christcuck faggotonastick worshipper saying this

>>17823286
>shitndia
Really?

Why did nobody mention Kenneth Pollack?
https://youtu.be/4VzdQuBUqJw

>>17819407 (OP)
Arabs need Turks to fight for them, Turks need Slavs to fight for them, Slavs need Germanics to fight for them.
What happens when bottomfeeder Arabs have to face of directly against Germanics we saw in the 90s.

>>17824754
you're talking to a muslim, so expect a room temp IQ

>>17825734
Is the proper way to say this country bombed that country over their own aerospace transgressions

>>17819407 (OP)
>Is it because they're Muslims and all Muslims are dumb?
In a roundabout way, yeah.
They have frighteningly high rates of cousin marriage, which means lower IQs, more birth defects, and a dysfunctional societal structure based on clan-like extended families nepotistically trying to undermine one another:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-individual-and-social-risks-of-cousin-marriage

>>17819407 (OP)
Because they’re lazy fucks with no discipline . Look up obesity rates in the middle east.