>Vietnam wasn't raped by Mongo-

Oh wait it was.

Why do Viet nationalist incels pretend Mongols didn't rape and sack Vietnam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_B%C3%ACnh_L%E1%BB%87_Nguy%C3%AAn

>The Battle of Bình Lệ Nguyên was a battle between the invading Mongol forces led by Uriyangkhadai and Đại Việt forces led by king Trần Thái Tông. The battle took place on the field of Bạch Hạc, now located in Vĩnh Phúc province, northwest of Hanoi in mid-January 1258. The Mongol army defeated the Vietnamese counter forces of war elephants but failed to capture Trần Thái Tông as he escaped by boat, and the capital Thang Long, which was captured and sacked by the Mongols five days later.[2]

>King Thái Tông fled to an offshore island while the Mongols occupied Hanoi and massacred all of its civilians in revenge for the death of one imprisoned Mongol envoy.[10]

>>17819540 (OP)

>>17819540 (OP)
>>17819547
Vietnam's capital Hanoi was sacked and raped by 3,000 Mongol and 10,000 Yi soldiers in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam. Same year as Baghdad Iraq

The Mongols knew how to counter war elephants in jungles. Mongol horse archers fired arrows at the feed of Vietnamese war elephants at the battle of No Nguyen in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam in 1258. The war elephants stampeded and retreated, trampling the entire Vietnamese army to death and the Mongols won the battle. The Mongols then captured and sacked the Vietnamese capital at Hanoi and burned it, occupying the city and raping Vietnamese women.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9372361/#q9379526

Vietnamese Wikipedia victory in the Mongol invasions. The actual source says the Đại Việt army was slaughtered and Vietnam's capital Thăng Long, now Hanoi (Hà Nội) was sacked by an outnumbered Mongol and Yi force which withdrew due to malaria and after the emperor of Đại Việt submitted but a Vietnamese Wikipedia editor change the numbers to make Đại Việt seem outnumbered.

https://s1.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1590/01/1590010757514.jpg
https://archive.is/BqnPa
https://archive.is/Gct0E

https://is2.4chan.org/his/1598464281001.jpg
https://archive.is/uqtOF

Wikipedia article authored by gooks
>[gook source]
>30,000 soldiers
>of which at least 2,000 were Yi troops
>Western sources estimate
>100,000 Mongols
>10,000 Yi soldiers

What the Western source cited only as "Atwood, C" without title or link actually says
>3,000 Mongols
>10,000 Yunnanese Yi tribesmen

The gooks didnt just add 97,000-27.000 invented Mongol soldiers to the actual 3,000 to cope with their defeat. They where so butthurt that Yi troops raped them (ethnic minority from the forested mountains of China's Yunnan province) so they switch the weight massively towards the "superior" Mongol invaders.

Thats just the first paragraph of the 1st defeat they call a victory.

>>17819540 (OP)
Gooks

>>17819540 (OP)
who the fuck cares about that shithole

>>17820565
Gook

Northern Viets are weaker than chad Southern Viets

We all know this

>>17819540 (OP)
Dai Viet Nam An Nam

Yue Nan Yuenan

Annam An Nan Annan

Annamite Annamites Annanese

Da Yue

Ha Noi Hanoi Thăng Long Thanglong Thang

>>17820829
How? Tonkinese Rifles where considered to be better fighters than their Annamese counterparts according to the French.

Um, you’re chinese

>>17819540 (OP)
No Nguyen battle of.

>>17820961
chinkspammer's a hapa iirc

>>17821136
Proof? Like picture, name etc.?

Lmao,brown subhuman is trying to defame Vietnam.

Hagahahahaham.

>>17819540 (OP)
Many countries that didn't get directly annexed by the Mongols, got raped hard by them.

Syria was also not annexed but was repeatedly rape assaulted by the Mongols from 1260 to 1301 with Aleppo and Damascus repeatedly sacked.

So Vietnam and Syria both have half Mongol rapebabies.

>>17820927
Yüeh Nan

Yueh-nan

>>17821494
He is half chin half sea nigg and live in Philippines. Source - me.

>>17822835
Also Hungary got raped massacred by the first Mongol invasion, and the Mongols then raided Austria in Neustadt.

Centuries later the Golden Horde's direct successor, the Khanate of Crimea came with the Ottomans to finish the job and conquer Hungary.

Then the Crimean Khanate and Ottomans raided Austria and besieged Vienna twice.

Thats centuries of Mongol rape raids from 1240 to 1683.

Mongolia Mongolian Mongolians

Mongol Mongols

Mongoloid Mongoloids

Mughal Mughals Mogul Moguls Moghul Moghuls

Tatar Tatars Tartar Tartars Tataria

Henei

>>17822835
>Many countries that didn't get directly annexed by the Mongols, got raped hard by them.
Oh boy that makes you wonder what happened to China under the Mongols.......

>>17824797
The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was not sacked.

The Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) was escorted north to Beijing and then Shangdu and married to a daughter of Kublai Khan. His mother asked that Lin'an be spared and it was.

Kublai had to also leave the entire population of Xiangyang and Diaoyu fortress alone after they capitulated. (Mongol Khagan Möngke Khan was killed at Diaoyu). Both Xiangyang and Diaoyu were besieged for years or decades and they were allowed to surrender with no punishment (no sacking , no rape)

The Song governor, military commander and troops all remained in place.

Kublai Khan then had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now tirned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491

>>17388491

Southern Song soldiers literally harassed and screeched Yuan officials until Kublai sent men to Korea to shakedown Goryeo for all available Korean virgins and then sent them to Xiangyang.

Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynasty

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278

>>13220278

>>17819540 (OP)
>Why do Viet nationalist incels
Do... do they exist here? I thought something like that would only be found on some Asian forum I've never heard of and never would.

>>17824797
>>17824817
Han general Shi Tianlin's sons all married Mongol women.

His son Shi Gang married a Kerait (Khereid) woman and another son married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer (Meng-ku Pa-erh).

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414218

>>17824797
>>17824817
>>17824823
It was the Jurchen majority capital Zhongdu that was sacked.

The Tangut majority capital in Westeen Xia was sacked.

Genghis Khan took Jurchen Wanyan princess Qiguo and a Tangut princess as his concubines.

At Bianjing (Kaifeng) the Han civilians were spared when Han officer Cui Li opened the gates for Mongol and Han tumen generals besieging the city.

Only Jurchen Wanyan princes were massacred and Jurchen royal women seized.

Han generals were appointed as concubines procurers for Genghis and they sent Jurchen women to him.

>>17824826
Western Xia Xingqing Khara-khoto

Why are irrelevant shitholes being discussed on my American website.

>>17819540 (OP)
Chinkspammer... Stop talking about shit you don't understand

>>17819540 (OP)
Viet Dum Phuc Nguyen is a Mongol rapebaby

>>17824791
He Nei

>>17819540 (OP)
North Vietnam

North Vietnamese

>>17819540 (OP)
Mongols raping Vietnamese.

>>17823638
Yeah nah

>>17819540 (OP)
what a fucking retard lmao
hanoi was sacked in the same sense moscow was sacked by napoleon
does that mean france raped russia
oh wait

>>17827144
Moscow was evacuated of its civilians and burned down by the Russians themselves, dumbass.

Also it wasn't the capital, Saint Petersburg was.

Russians avoided doing pitched battle against Napoleon so he couldn't destroy their army, and did guerilla attacks ans evacuated.

3,000 Mongols captured Hanoi from the Vietnamese after crushing the numerically superior Vietnamese army in battle, and raped all of Hanoi's population for 9 days.

The Mongols killed the war elephants of the Vietnamese army and massacred their soldiers and massacred Vietnamese men in Hanoi while they raped Vietnamese women.

The Mongols also raped all the Vietnamese people in the rural villages leading up to Hanoi in provinces like Vinh Phuc.

>>17827144
>>17827706
Also Vietnam paid tribute to the Mongols and had a Mongol Darughachi assigned to them, the same as other internal kingdoms that were part of the Mongol empire.

/his/ - Rape & Religion

>>17820565
>>17820772
Mongols in Gooks pre-modern kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Korea

>17825505
OP and (you) is a faggot

>>17819540 (OP)
Vietnam used to be majority Muslim until viet niggers migrated and killed the muslims. It was God’s punishment that viets were killed by the mongols

>>17828126
>no more sandnigger
Based Viet

https://apnews.com/article/syria-christians-church-bombing-mar-elias-alsharaa-minorities-c5d25e10231f700495286d61324ea640

>Among the groups enjoying wide influence in post-Assad Syria are the Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria, who are mostly Uyghur Muslims; Junud al-Sham, mostly ethnic Chechen gunmen; and Ajnad al-Qawqaz, mostly Muslim fighters from the former Soviet Union.

>Al-Sharaa has said many foreign fighters are now married to Syrian women and could end up getting citizenship, and has given no indication whether any of the fighters will be asked to leave the country.

Baghdad Iraqi Arab Sunnis have been raped and sacked by Turks, Mongols, Armenians, Georgians, Han Chinese, Timur I Lang (Tamerlane) (Timurlane), Safavid Qizilbash Turkmen Twelver Shia Alevis.

>Siege of Baghdad (812)
>Siege of Baghdad (1136)
>Siege of Baghdad (1157)
>Siege of Baghdad (1258) by Mongols
>Siege of Baghdad (1401) by Tamerlane
>Siege of Baghdad (1534) by Safavids
>Siege of Baghdad (1624)
>Siege of Baghdad (1638)
>Siege of Baghdad (1917)
>Siege of Baghdad (2003)

Same with Syrian Sunnis who got raped

>Siege of Aleppo (994–995) by Manjutakin
>Siege of Aleppo (1240) by Khwarezmians
>Siege of Aleppo (1260) by Mongols
>Siege of Aleppo (1271) by Mongols
>Siege of Aleppo (1280) by Mongols
>Siege of Aleppo (1299) by Mongols
>Siege of Aleppo (1400) by Tamerlane

>Siege of Damascus (970) by Kutama Berbers
>Siege of Damascus (1260) by Mongols
>Siege of Damascus (1300) by Mongols
>Siege of Damascus (1401) by Tamerlane

>Siege of Hama (1400) by Tamerlane
>Siege of Hama (1982) by Alawites

These cities are defenceless in a completely flat plain, begging to be sacked and raped

Why do Sunnis keep rebuilding and living in these rape zones when they know they are just waiting for the next invaders? Do they have a cuck fetish?

Meanwhile minorities like Druze, Maronites, Alawites, Assyrians and Yazidis stay in the mountains

Why do Sunnis of Syria and Iraq keep getting conquered and raped?

>>17829055
Timur i Lang (Tamerlame or Tamerlane or Timur the Lame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.

This is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.

https://archive.is/IJQD0

remove the . between just and paste to get the url.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98

They say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated.

>>17829055
>>17829060
In Islam, Allah is all powerful and decreed all affairs. Both good and evil come from him and the devil has no power.

Syrian Sunni Islamists and Iraqi Sunni Islamists try to act tough and screech on how they are going to genocide X people or minority ans brag about their ancestors being tough warriors.

By Allah's decree, these same people have been gang raped, enslaved, butchered for the past 1000 years by Mongols, Timur (Tamerlane), Safavids, Khwarezmians (the Kwarezmian refugee army that fled the Mongols).

Khwarezmians went on rape spree against Sunnis in Syria, then Mongols sacked Baghdad, Damascus and Aleppo and raped all the Sunni women.

The Mongols repeated sacked Damascus and Aleppo again and again.

Timur came with another round of rape for Sunni girls and women in Baghdad, Damascus and Aleppo.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15320676/#q15320786

>>15320786
>>15320676

Also their Sunni women became prostitutes in Jordanian hotels for white foreigners after their wars.

Is this why they curse Allah? Because Allah decreed they be raped for the past 1000 years so the lash out agianst Allah in frustration?

>>17829055
>>17829060
>>17829064
Timur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.

All Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672

>>10252672

>>17829055
>>17829066
Siege of Baghdad (812–813), during the Fourth Fitna in the Abbasid Caliphate
Siege of Baghdad (865), during the Fifth Fitna in the Abbasid Caliphate
Battle of Baghdad (946), by the Buyid dynasty against the Hamdanid dynasty
Siege of Baghdad (1136), by the Seljuk Empire against the Abbasid Caliphate
Siege of Baghdad (1157), by the Seljuk Empire against the Abbasid Caliphate
Siege of Baghdad (1258), Mongol conquest of the Abbasid Caliphate
Siege of Baghdad (1393), by the Turco-Mongol conqueror Timur
Siege of Baghdad (1401), by the Turco-Mongol conqueror Timur
Siege of Baghdad (1446) [az] (Azerbaijani), by the Jahan Shah, the Qara Qoyunlu Turk leader
Capture of Baghdad (1508), during the Safavid–Aq Qoyunlu wars
Capture of Baghdad (1534), during the Ottoman–Safavid Wars
Capture of Baghdad (1624), during the Ottoman–Safavid Wars
Siege of Baghdad (1625–1626), during the Ottoman–Safavid Wars
Siege of Baghdad (1630) during the Ottoman–Safavid Wars
Capture of Baghdad (1638), during the Ottoman–Safavid Wars
Siege of Baghdad (1733), during the Ottoman–Persian Wars
Fall of Baghdad (1917), during World War I
Capture of Baghdad (1941), during World War II
Operation Baghdad [fa] during the Iran-Iraq war
Battle of Baghdad (2003), during the Iraq War
Battle of Baghdad (2006–2008), during the Iraq War

>>17829055
>>17829060
>17829064
>>17829066
>>17829069

Safavid soldiers were Qizilbash Turkmen.

Fatimids used Kutama Berber Amazigh, Turk and Armenian soldiers to rape Damascus and Aleppo.

Their Wazirs were Armenians and Berbers.

>>17829055
>>17829060
>17829064
>17829066
>>17829069
>>17829071
The violator of Sunni Arab vaginas, Timur i Lang (Tamerlane).

>>17829060
>Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni
Genetically were Tajik and Turkmen clusters. They were not pure Mongoloids, or SEA-Chinese mutts with microdicks like Chinkspammer.

>>17829076
They were non-Arabs who raped Arabs.

Also Han Chinese general Guo Kan and his Han soldiers participated in raping Baghdad in Iraq under 1258 with Cicilian Armenians, Georgians and Mongols under Kitbuqa Noyan.

Arabs say that 2 million Sunni Arabs were killed.

>>17829080
>They were non-Arabs who raped Arabs.
These "Turco-Mongols" were West Eurasian genetically and cluster with Tajiks and Turkmen, as opposed to chinky Uzbeks and Kyrgyz bastards. Iraqis and Syrians and Egyptians are Arabized populations, they are non-Arab to begin with, and had a history of being raped.

>Also Han Chinese general Guo Kan and his Han soldiers participated in raping Baghdad in Iraq under 1258 with Cicilian Armenians, Georgians
Sunni Iraqi Arabs were also brought by Mongols to rape Han Chinese.

>>17829095
There were no Iraqi Arab Generals or ground soldiers in Yuan dynasty dumb sand nigger.

Persian engineers ≠ soldiers and generals

>These "Turco-Mongols" were West Eurasian genetically and cluster with Tajiks and Turkmen, as opposed to chinky Uzbeks and Kyrgyz bastards.

Timur was born in Uzbekistan and he was paternally Mongol descended from the same clan as Genghis, retard.

He and his soldiers were not Oghuz Turkmen or Tajik.

>>17829095
>>17829104
>and had a history of being raped

Mamluk Circassians raped Zabid in Yemen, later Ottomans also raped in Yemen and Ottoman-Albanians and Berbers raped Najd under Muhammad Ali.

>>17829095
>>17829104
Also the Arab account of Tamerlane's rape conquests in Syria explicitly says that Tamerlane said that Tatar (Mongol descendants in Uzbekistan) were a different race from the Turkmen (Oghuz) and Tamerlane denied being a Turkmen.

https://www.deremilitari.org/RESOURCES/SOURCES/taghri1.htm

>Abu Yazfd ibn 'Uthman assembled his forces of Muslims, Christians, and various divisions of the Tatars, and when his army was complete he marched to give him battle. Before his arrival Tamerlane sent to the Tatars who were with Abu Yazid ibn 'Uthman, saying: "We are one race, and these are Turcomans whom we shall expel from our midst, and then Asia Minor will be yours instead of theirs."

>>17829104
>There were no Iraqi Arab Generals
There were both Iraqi Arab and Persian soldiers raping the Han Chinese. Ismail was an Iraqi Arab. Han Chinese cuckold Guo Kan recommended bringing Muslim soldiers to rape the Han Chinese. There were Sunni Muslim Arab administrators and governors in China.

>he was paternally Mongol
That's a mythological origin for him. He privately stated he wasn't to Khaldun. His dynasty is also J2 instead of C2 making a Mongol origin unlikely.

>He and his soldiers were not Oghuz Turkmen or Tajik.
His soldiers were Tajiks and Turkics, retard.

>>17829110
>Timur's stated motivation for attacking Bayezid and the Ottoman Empire was the restoration of Seljuq authority. Timur saw the Seljuks as the rightful rulers of Anatolia as they had been granted rule by Mongol conquerors
He is talking about the Seljuks. Tatars are not Mongols.

Not only was Timur not paternally Mongol, but his soldiers weren't Mongols, and neither was his government which was Muslim and Iranian.

>According to John Joseph Saunders, Timur was "the product of an Islamized and Iranized society", and not steppe nomadic.[132] More importantly, Timur was characterized as an opportunist. Taking advantage of his Turco-Mongolian heritage, Timur frequently used either the Islamic religion or the sharia law, fiqh, and traditions of the Mongol Empire to achieve his military goals or domestic political aims.[9]

>>17829114
>There were both Iraqi Arab and Persian

There were two trebuchet engineers with their families, they weren't soldiers.

The city that their trebuchet bombarded wasn't even sacked you dumb sandnigger.

Kublai ordered trebuchet to hit Xiangyang's walls and then Kublai agreed to accept surrender and spare the population.

Kublai even gave Korean women as wives to the Han soldiers in Xiangyang who surrendered.

>His dynasty is also J2 instead of C2 making a Mongol origin unlikely.

The J2 is from a random person claiming to be his descendant. Not even from verified descendants like Mughal royals.

>There were Sunni Muslim Arab administrators

Liar, Sayyid Ajall was Bukharan, and he was appointed as governor of Yunnan (non-Han majority at that time).


Sayyid Ajall was haplogroup L.

Yunnan was ruled by the Bai majority Dali kingdom before Mongol conquest.

Sayyid Ajall's son Umar was also ordered to lead his Bukharan garrison troops to invade Burma and then Vietnam in 1287-1288.
>>17829116
Arabs called Hulagu's Mongols as Tatars. Ibn Taymiyya calls the Ilkhan as Tatars.

>>17829127
>Iranized society

Do you know what society means sandnigger. It's not talking about his army.

Tamerlane and his Tatar troops rules over Tajiks in Transoxania.

>>17829114
>>17829141
>>17829146
Also Nader Shah Afshar was haplogroup O and he invaded Iraq.

>>17829141
>There were two trebuchet engineers with their families
There were other Muslim soldiers raping the Han Chinese as well.

>The J2 is from a random person claiming to be his descendant. Not even from verified descendants like Mughal royals.
These are multiple people claiming to be his descendant and they've all been tested as J2.

>Sayyid Ajall was Bukharan, and he was appointed as governor of Yunnan
There were many other Muslim administrators, governors, and mayors like Ahmad Fanakati ruling over than Han Chinese. There were no Han Chinese administrators, governors, and mayors in Iraq. Mongols and Turks raped Iraqis, not Han Chinese slaves.

>Sayyid Ajall was haplogroup L.
This is from the same method as Timur's J2 descendants.

>Yunnan was ruled by the Bai majority Dali kingdom
They raped the Han Chinese. Yunnan was part of China for thousands of years.

>>17829146
He made them his government, retard.

>Timur is regarded as a military genius and as a brilliant tactician with an uncanny ability to work within a highly fluid political structure to win and maintain a loyal following of nomads during his rule in Central Asia. He was also considered extraordinarily intelligent – not only intuitively but also intellectually.[128] In Samarkand and his many travels, Timur, under the guidance of distinguished scholars, was able to learn the Persian, Mongolian, and Turkish languages[129] (according to Ahmad ibn Arabshah, Timur could not speak Arabic).[130]

>However, it was Persian which was held in distinction by Timur as it was the language not only of his court, but also that of his chancellery.[131]

>>17829055
Why does retarded Chinkspammer not read his own copypasta.

>Siege of Baghdad (812)
The siege of Baghdad was a part of a civil war between al-Amin and al-Ma'mun for the Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad.

>Siege of Baghdad (1136)
The siege of Baghdad (1136) was a fifty-day blockade of Baghdad, the seat of the Abbasid caliphs, in 1136. The siege began when the Seljuk ruler of Iraq, Ghiyath ad-Din Mas'ud, attacked the caliph al-Rashid Billah. During the siege, the populace of Baghdad rose in revolt against the caliph, plundering the Tahirid Palace.

>Siege of Baghdad (1157)
The siege of Baghdad in 1157 was the last Seljuq attempt to capture Baghdad from the Abbasids. Caliph al-Muqtafi successfully defended his capital against the coalition armies of Seljuq Sultan Muhammad of Hamadan and Qutb ad-Din of Mosul.

These are victories by the local Iraqis.

>>17829165
Ahmad Fanakati was Persian, and he was a civilian finance minister, and he ans his family were executed by Kublai

The History of Yuan records that Guo Kan directly fought in Baghdad, beheaded Abbasid officials and looted the caliph's palace. It also says he fought to the west in Syria too.

Persian records also record 1000 Chinese troops at Baghdad raping its people.


The people with J2 are random people in Iran claiming to be Timurids. None of them held official titles unlike the Mughals in India.


>>17829141
The Mongols stationed Central Asian Muslims mainly in two former non-Han kingdoms, Gansu and Ningxia (Tangut Western Xia) and Yunnan (Bai Dali kingdom).

Sayyid Ajall and his Bukharans fought against Bai, Burmese and Vietnamese.

Yunnan was annexed and ruled by the Han dynasty 2,000 years ago but the population was majority non-Han.

Yunnan broke free as the Nanzhao kingdom in the Sui dynasty and then the Dali kingdom.

Yunnan only became Han majority after the Yuan permanently re-annexed it to China and Sayyid Ajall asked for more migrants.


Also the Yuan dynasty and its Han general Chen Youding massacred the foreign Muslim population in the Ispah rebellion after the Yuan passed multiple anti-Muslim laws.

Also many Christian Aasyrians were the officials appointed by Kublai ans they hated Muslims

Guo Kan and Mongol general Kitbuqa Noyan were from Nestorian Christian families and they spared Nestorian Assyrians in Baghdad.

The Assyrian Christian Isa Kelemchi who went to Beijing told Kublai Khan that Muslims are evil and showed him Quranic verses and Kubali listened to Isa, and he passed laws persecuting Muslims, forcing many Muslims to leave.

Later Yuan emperors persecuted Muslims even more leading to the Ispah rebellion

>>17829180
>The siege of Baghdad was a part of a civil war between al-Amin and al-Ma'mun for the Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad.

The civil wars involved Turkic troops raping and killing the local population.

>During the siege, the populace of Baghdad rose in revolt against the caliph, plundering the Tahirid Palace

The local Iraqis attacked their own caliph, retard

>The siege of Baghdad in 1157 was the last Seljuq attempt to capture

The Turks fully controlled Mosul in this war, and again, the war was fought by Turks in Iraqi soil and involved Turks killing and raping locals in Iraq.

>>17829192
>Ahmad Fanakati was Persian, and he was a civilian finance minister
He ruled over all of the Han Chinese like Sayyid Ajall. There were no Han Chinese governors or officials in the Ilkhanate or in Iraq.

>The History of Yuan records that Guo Kan directly fought in Baghdad
Guo Kan was a Han Chinese slave and he didn't rape anybody.

>The people with J2 are random people in Iran claiming to be Timurids. None of them held official titles unlike the Mughals in India.
Not all of them are Iranian, some are Indian and Uzbek. There's more evidence for Timur being J2 than Nader being O.

>Gansu and Ningxia (Tangut Western Xia) and Yunnan (Bai Dali kingdom).
All had Han Chinese majorities until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>Yunnan was annexed and ruled by the Han dynasty 2,000 years ago but the population was majority non-Han.
The population was majority Han until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>>17829192
Middle Eastern ≠ Muslim

Kublai invited Assyrian Christians, Jews to China too

Kublai and the Yuan emperors never persecuted Christians (Mongols themselves were Nestorian Christians and followed the Assyrian Nestorian church)

Kublai listened to Assyrian officials who urged him to attack Muslims

The other Yuan emperors passed anti-Muslim laws on advice from Christian Assyrians and Alan Christians

The Yuan also publicly flogged Muslim official Mubarak for a dispute with Han military judge Shi Tianlin.

>>17829198
>The civil wars involved Turkic troops raping and killing the local population.
And also involved Persians and Sogdians, but most of the troops were Arabs or local Iraqi.

>The local Iraqis attacked their own caliph, retard
So how are these examples of Iraqis being raped?

>The Turks fully controlled Mosul in this war
Mosul isn't the focus, retard. Did you already forget you are using this as an example of Baghdad being raped? This is a victory where the Iraqis beat the Turks.

>>17829207
Iraq was majority Arab when raped by Kitbuqa and Guo Kan, while Yunnan was majority non-Han.

The Nanzhao was a Lolo majority kingdom and Dali was Bai majority. Most Han in Yunnan descend from Ming dynasty military garrisons.

All of these kingdoms in Yunnan lasted for 600 years before the Yuan.

Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago, are they Han majority too sandnigger?

Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.

Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol women

Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian woman

Another one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.

Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynasty

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278

>>13220278

>>17829210
>Kublai invited Assyrian Christians, Jews to China too
None of them were important administrators or governors like the Muslims ruling the Han Chinese were.

>Kublai and the Yuan emperors never persecuted Christians
They banned missionaries and expelled many Christians from their country.

>Mongols themselves were Nestorian Christians
They were majority Buddhist, retard.

>>17829207
>>17829225
>He ruled over all of the Han Chinese like Sayyid Ajall

Sayyid Ajall was only governor of Yunnan and ordered to fight against Burma and Vietnam

Sayyid Ajall's son Omar died in the Vietnam campaign in 1287-1288

Ahmad Fanakati was a civilian finance minister who embezzled and stole public money, and never participated in any military campaign, fighting or raping.

He and his entire family were executed by Kublai on corruption charges and their bodies were desecrated.

>>17829207
Muslims ruled over the Han Chinese in China, including during the Yuan Dynasty.

Han Chinese did not ever rule anywhere in the Middle East, not over Muslims or Christians or Jews.

>>17829235
>Sayyid Ajall was only governor of Yunnan and ordered to fight against Burma and Vietnam
There were other Muslim governors and vice governors, as well as Muslim administrators, officials, and mayors.

>Ahmad Fanakati was a civilian finance minister who embezzled and stole public money
That was a lie by the jealous Han Chinese slaves of Ahmad Fanakati. It was false and that's why Kublai never fired Ahmad Fanakati.

>He and his entire family were executed by Kublai
No, he wasn't. Han Chinese assassins and their extended Han Chinese families were executed by Kublai. Then Kublai ordered his sons execution.

>>17829231
Isa Kelemchi singlehandedly made Kublai persecute Muslims.

>ʿIsa was also instrumental in reinforcing anti-Muslim prohibitions in the Mongol realms, such as prohibiting halal slaughter and circumcision, and, according to Rashid-al-Din Hamadani encouraged denunciation of Muslims.[4] ʿIsa also showed to Khubilai the Sword Verse of the Quran, raising the suspicion of the Mongols towards Muslims.[4] According to Rashid al-Din, as a result, "most Muslims left Khitai [China]".[4]


>They banned missionaries and expelled many Christians from their country.

They did not retard.

The Yuan emperor's Asud bodyguard to the end of the dynasty was entirely Christian.

The Mongol Naiman, Kerait and Ongud tribes were Nestorian Christians

Kitbuqa Naiman who sacked Baghdad was Naiman Christian

Kublai married his daughters off to Ongud Christian princess like Kuolijisi, another one of his daughters married a Han, Zhao Xian.

Christian missionaries like John of Montecorvino and Odoric of Pordenone continued visiting the Yuan dynasty.

The Yuan emperors passed anti-Muslim laws and had Han general Chen Youding massacred Muslims in the Ispah rebellion and appointed Chen as governor of Fujian.

Also many Turks who moved to the Yuan were Christian or Tengrist and hated Muslims, like a Qipchaq who accused Tajiks of practicing banned Halal slaughter.

>>17829246
The majority of Mongols were Buddhist, retard.

Many Christians also faced persecution.

>>17829245
>after Kublai Khan heard all the complaints about Ahmad's corruption from his enemies, Kublai then ordered Ahmad's body to be taken from his tomb and desecrated by being eaten by dogs, and then using chariot wheels to smash the bones to pieces.[9][10]

>Kublai also ordered Ahmad's sons to be put to death.[11]
>Han Chinese did not ever rule anywhere in the Middle East, not over Muslims

Khitan and Han Chinese were appointed as officials in Muslim Bukhara and Samarqand you dumb sandnigger.

Chagatai Khan hated Muslims and he was strocy in enforcing Genghis's laws against Halal slaughter and circumcision

He was even accuses of plotting genocide of Muslims before he died.

Han Chinese officials were sent by both the Khitan Western Liao (Qara Khitai) and by Mongols under Chagatai Khan to rule over Muslims in Bukhara and Samarqand.

Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in the conquest for Khwarezmian Central Asia

Genghis, Chagatai, Kubali all sent Han Chinese soldiers to garrisons Central Asian Muslim areas like Almaliq, Khotan, Samarqand, Bukhara

Han Chinese also settled in Merv, Khoy and Tabriz in the Ilkhanate.

>>17829245
>>17829257
Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara were not allowed to manage their own gardens without Han Chinese and Khitan officials supervising them.

Genghis moved Han soldiers and officials to west Asia

Shi Tianze's cousin Shi Tianlin was a military judge in Batu Khan's Golden Horde when the Golden Horde conquered Muslim Volga Bulgaria.

Mongol commoners were Tengrist and Nestorian Christian and the elites were Tengrist, Nestorian and Buddhist

Yuan dynasty never banned Christianity

>>17829257
Bukhara and Samarkand are in Central Asia not the Middle East.

Also, there were no Han Chinese governors or top officials even in Central Asia, retard.

Han Chinese did not ever rule anywhere in the Middle East, not over Muslims or Christians or Jews.

The Mongols knew the Han Chinese were worthless scum.

However, the Mongols put Middle Easterners especially Muslims as governors and top officials ruling over the Han Chinese slaves.

>>17829265
>Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara were not allowed to manage their own gardens without Han Chinese and Khitan officials supervising them.
Mongols made the Han Chinese slaves work the gardens and farms for Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara.

>Mongol commoners were Tengrist and Nestorian Christian
They were Buddhist and Tengrist, not Nestorian.

>Yuan dynasty never banned Christianity
Yuan dynasty didn't ban any religion just restricted them, retard.

Han Chinese did not ever rule anywhere in the Middle East, not over Muslims or Christians or Jews.

The Mongols knew the Han Chinese were worthless scum.

However, the Mongols put Middle Easterners especially Muslims as governors and top officials ruling over the Han Chinese slaves.

>>17829268
China never had Middle Eastern or Iraqi governors retard.

Bukhara is not in Iraq. Sayyid Ajall in Bai majority Yunnan was not Iraqi.


Han Chinese, Khitans and Tanguts were appointed over Muslims in Samarqand:

>Before the dynasty of the suan-tuan (Sultan of Khorezm) was overthrown, the city of Samarkand had a population of more than a hundred thousand families, but after the occupation only the fourth part remained behind. Most of the fields and gardens belong to the Mohammedans, but they are not allowed to dispose of them. They are obliged to manage their properties in conjunction with Ti-tan (i.e., Karakhitai), Chinese, and men from Ho si [=Tanguts]. Chinese workmen are living everywhere. In the middle of the city there is an elevated place, about a hundred feet high, on which the new palace of the Sultan was built.

The Khitan Qara Qitai also made Chinese an official language in Central Asia, used Chinese reign titled and a Chinese dynastic name (Western Liao) despite Han not being native there.

Ilkhanate used Chinese seals on their letters to the Pope.

The Mongols had Mubarak flogged for getting in a dispute with Han Chinese and Shi Tianlin

Mongol Yuan appointed Han Chinese governor Chen Youding to massacre Muslims in the Ispah revolt.

Guo Kan's family participated in all the conquests from Khwarezmia in Central Asia to Iraq and Syria, spanning over decades.

>>17829279
>They were Buddhist and Tengrist, not Nestorian.

The entite Naiman tribe was Nestorian which is why Kitbuqa Noyan killed 2 million Sunni Iraqis while sparing all Assyrian Nestorian Christians

Guo Kan's ancestor Guo Ziyi was Nestorian Christian

Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol woman from the Nestorian Kerait tribe.

>work the gardens and farms for Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara.

Han Chinese were appointed to control Muslims and their gardens after participating in Genghis's violent conquest of those cities under Guo Baoyu.

Middle Easteners were never appointed as governors in China.

Sayyid Ajall, Fanakati were all not from the Middle East.

Syrian Christians and Assyrians in Iraq hated Muslims

Syrian Christians in Damascus were celebrating the arrival of Kitbuqa Noyan's army.

>>17829279
>>17829289
Yuan emperors banned halal slaughter, circumcision, cousin marriage, and banned the position of Qadi (Islamic judge) and had Chen Youding massacre Muslims who got mad at this.

>>17829282
>China never had Middle Eastern
You tried to paint Bukhara and Samarkand as Middle Eastern, retard. In reality there were never any Han Chinese governors in Central Asia, let alone Iraq. There were Muslim administrators, governors, and mayors in China ruling over the Han Chinese.

>Most of the fields and gardens belong to the Mohammedans, but they are not allowed to dispose of them. They are obliged to manage their properties in conjunction with Ti-tan (i.e., Karakhitai), Chinese, and men from Ho si [=Tanguts]. Chinese workmen are living everywhere
Mongols made the Han Chinese slaves work the gardens and farms for Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara. Han Chinese were workmen not officials. There wasn't even a single Han Chinese slave on the level of Sayyid Ajalls or Ahmad Fanakati in China ruling over the Han Chinese.

>The Khitan Qara Qitai also made Chinese an official language in Central Asia, used Chinese reign titled and a Chinese dynastic name (Western Liao) despite Han not being native there.
>Ilkhanate used Chinese seals on their letters to the Pope.
>The Mongols had Mubarak flogged for getting in a dispute with Han Chinese and Shi Tianlin
Your response to Muslim administrators, governors, and mayors in China owning their Han Chinese slaves is pointing to Chinese seals to the pope and being flogged in Bulgaria?

>>17829289
>Han Chinese were appointed to control Muslims and their gardens
Mongols made the Han Chinese slaves work the gardens and farms for Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara. Bukhara and Samarkand are in Central Asia, not the Middle East.

Han Chinese were never appointed as governors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East. The Mongols knew the Han Chinese were worthless scum.

>Middle Easteners were never appointed as governors in China.
Muslims were appointed as governors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East.

>>17829295
Sandnigger, the workmen were seperate from the Chinese managing the gardens.

He mentions that Han Chinese, Khitan and Tanguts supervise the Muslims and their gardens and separately mentions Chinese workmen, who don't answer to Muslims either.


Shi Tianlin worked in the Golden Horde and then returned to the Yuan dynasty decades later.

You were the one trying to claim Sayyid Ajall as Middle Eastern.

The Qara Khitai also brought along Han to Muslim Central Asia before Genghis and Guo Baoyu.

>>17829306
>Shi Tianlin worked in the Golden Horde and then returned to the Yuan dynasty decades later.
He was only a judge and the Golden Horde was in Europe.

>You were the one trying to claim Sayyid Ajall as Middle Eastern.
I said they were Muslim. I never said Sayyid Ajall or Ahmad Fanakati were Middle Eastern. You are a retard and got confused with the fact that Han Chinese were never appointed as governors in the Middle East (or in Central Asia, China, or Eastern Europe).

Muslims were appointed as administrators, governors, and mayors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East.

>>17829303
Wrong again dumb sandnigger.

Han officials directly ruled Samarqand and Bukhara.

SINO-KHITAN ADMINISTRATION IN MONGOL BUKHARA

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41930343?read-now=1&seq=17#page_scan_tab_contents

ADMINISTRATION IN MONGOL BUKHARA 137
the Sultan [the xwãrazm-êãh Muhammad] the normal population of the city
was more than 100,000 families. Since his country was overturned only
about a fourth remain. In general most are Moslems. But they have been
unable to take care of the fields and gardens on their own and have had to
turn them over to Chinese, Khitan and Tangut. The chief administrative
positions are also filled by persons of various nationalities and Chinese
artisans are scattered about the city.76
Among the Chinese officials serving in this varied administration
of Yeh-lii A-hai was a Mr. Li, whose title is given in the text of the
Hsi-yu chi as "intendant in the office of the ťai-shih (ťai-shih fu
ťi-Vung).11 Li is frequently mentioned in Li Chih-ch'ang's travelogue
as are other Chinese officials of A-hai's administration.78 Although the
apparently large Chinese-speaking population in Samarqand and other
parts of Bukhara may have exercized an influence as well, the primary
reason for the presence of numerous Chinese officials in the Mongol
administration of Bukhara and other places in the Moslem west seems
to have lain in continued Mongol efforts to limit the power of the
nationals of a given area in the administrative apparatus governing
it.

>>17829321
Shi Tianlin was a military judge during Golden Horde campaigns in Volga Bulgaria, Cumania and Eastern Europe.

He returned to Yuan dynasty decades later and became an official there. Kublai Khan personally gave him the old cane of the Jin emperors.

He discovered Mubarak in a dispute with other Han and Mubarak was flogged.

Chagatai Khan hated Muslims and appointed Han, Khitan and Tangut officials in Central Asia.

The only time when Muslims were appointed as officials in Eastern Europe was after the Golden Horde converted to Islam sandnigger

The non-Muslim Khans like Batu never appointed Muslim officials.

>>17819563
Typical. To this day gooks act like they werent getting dominated and torched hoping and praying for american college kids to protest their problems away

>>17829329
>Han officials directly ruled Samarqand and Bukhara.
Nope.

>The chief administrative positions are also filled by persons of various nationalities and Chinese artisans are scattered about the city.
No Han mayor in Samarqand or Bukhara. No Han governors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East.

Meanwhile Muslim administrators and governors in China like Sayyid Ajall and Ahmad Fanakati were ruling over Han Chinese slaves.

There were Muslim administrators and governors in the Chagatai, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde, and Yuan China.

>>17829321
>>17829329
The Western Liao Qara Khitai had to use Chinese reign names, Chinese dynastic name, Chinese as official language in Muslim majority Central Asia despite none of the areas they were ruling being Han lands.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B934LaVBaz8C&pg=PA96

The Mongols then brought more Han soldiers and officials to Central Asia after conquering Qara Khitai

>>17829343
>The Western Liao Qara Khitai had to use Chinese reign names, Chinese dynastic name, Chinese as official language in Muslim majority Central Asia despite none of the areas they were ruling being Han lands.

Any Han Chinese administrators and governors? No.

>>17829340
>There were Muslim administrators and governors in

Keep coping sandnigger

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41930343?read-now=1&seq=17#page_scan_tab_contents

>ADMINISTRATION IN MONGOL BUKHARA

>137

>the Sultan [the xwãrazm-êãh Muhammad] the normal population of the city was more than 100,000 families. Since his country was overturned only about a fourth remain. In general most are Moslems. But they have been unable to take care of the fields and gardens on their own and have had to turn them over to Chinese, Khitan and Tangut. The chief administrative positions are also filled by persons of various nationalities and Chinese artisans are scattered about the city.76

>Among the Chinese officials serving in this varied administration of Yeh-lii A-hai was a Mr. Li, whose title is given in the text of the Hsi-yu chi as "intendant in the office of the ťai-shih (ťai-shih fu ťi-Vung).11 Li is frequently mentioned in Li Chih-ch'ang's travelogue as are other Chinese officials of A-hai's administration.78 Although the apparently large Chinese-speaking population in Samarqand and other parts of Bukhara may have exercized an influence as well, the primary reason for the presence of numerous Chinese officials in the Mongol administration of Bukhara and other places in the Moslem west seems to have lain in continued Mongol efforts to limit the power of the nationals of a given area in the administrative apparatus governing it

>>17829340
>>17829346
>76 HYC, 327. The presence of large numbers of Chinese in Samarqand is also evidenced by Bukhara's unique bilingual (Chinese and Arabo -Persian) coinage, first published in 1826 by Frähn. Two issues are known. The first is a bronze piece completely in Chinese style with a hole in the center probably issued during the last years of Möngke's reign. One side contains the Chinese character k'o, "revenue." The second is also a bronze and was issued by the Čayaday princes Aluyu and Baidar in the name of the pretender Ariq-böke in 1261. Inscribed on the coin are the two Chinese characters Pu-hua, a transcription of Bukhara. On these issues see Ch. M. Fraehnius [Frähn], Recensio Numorum Muhammedanorum Academiae Imp . Scient. Petropolitanae, (St. Petersburg, 1826), p. 423, and E. A. Davidoviö, op. cit., pp. 12- 13.

>77 HYC, p. 346.

>78 In the HYC, pp. 321- 322, the context makes it clear that most of the officials mentioned ("the Astronomer-in-chief, and Mr. Li and the others," "the envoy and the various officials") were Chinese or Chinese in culture since it is highly unlikely that non -Chinese officials would have been eager to "discuss the tao (lün tao)." The context of page 344 also implies that the officials mentioned were predominantly, if not exclusively, Chinese.

>>17829346
>intendant in the office of the
In other words, a Han Chinese slave, not a minister or mayor.

>>17829352
You're confusing intendant with attendant, retard

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intendant

>an administrative official (such as a governor)

>>17829352
In China the Muslims like Sayyid Ajall and Ahmad Fanakati were ruling over Han Chinese slaves.

Muslims were appointed as governors, prime ministers, and regents in the Ilkhanate. The Han Chinese were not appointed as such in Mongol China.

>>17829356
I know what that means, retard. This Han Chinese slave was not a governor or mayor or minister. In China the Muslims like Sayyid Ajall and Ahmad Fanakati were ruling over Han Chinese slaves.

Chinkspammer will hate this.

Muslims were governors in Central Asia and Muslim mayors ruling over the northern Han Chinese.

>>17829357
Sayyid Ajall was appointed to the non-Han province Yunnan, and his sons like Nasr al-din and Umar were ordered to invade Burma and Vietnam where Umar died on the third invasion.

The Yuan also sent Muslims on dangerous diplomatic missions like to Japan where Sadr ul-din was beheaded.

Yunnan was the Bai majority Dali kingdom

Bai people of Yunnan are literally called minjia (civilians) in contrast to Han who were junjia (soldier households) because most Han in Yunnan came as soldiers in the Ming dynasty, after the Yuan.

Fanakati was a corrupt finance minister and Kublai killed all his sons and desecrated his body for stealing funds. He never led any military campaign.

>Muslims were appointed as governors, prime ministers, and regents in the Ilkhanate.

The Yuan appointed Han governor Chen Youding to massacre the entire Muslim population of Quanzhou.

Zhao Xian was married to Kublai Khan's daughter.

That was also after they converted to Islam retard.

Han Chinese like Guo Baoyu conquered Khwarezm with Genghis and his grandson Guo Kan conquered Baghdad.

>>17829362
Sandnigger, the Taishi was the Khitan Yelu Ahai

The intendant (governor) in the office of the Taishi was Mr. Li

Neither of them were Muslims. They controlled Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara.

>>17829371
>Sayyid Ajall was appointed to the non-Han province Yunnan
Yunnan was majority Han.

>The Yuan also sent Muslims on dangerous diplomatic missions like to Japan where Sadr ul-din was beheaded.
Most of the diplomatic mission were Nestorian and Tengrist who got executed.

>Yunnan was the Bai majority Dali kingdom
The population was majority Han until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>Fanakati was a corrupt finance minister
That was a lie by the jealous Han Chinese slaves of Ahmad Fanakati. It was false and that's why Kublai never fired Ahmad Fanakati.

>Kublai killed
All of the Han Chinese assassins who killed Fanakati and their extended Han Chinese families were executed by Kublai.

>That was also after they converted to Islam retard.
No, retard. Muslims were appointed governors, prime ministers, and regents when the Khans were non-Muslim. Kublai Khan was not a Muslim.

>>17829383
Yelu Ahai was the mayor and Li was his Han Chinese slave.

>>17829340
>>17829303
Cope, sandnigger.
>No Han governors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East.
Guo Kan was appointed governor of Baghdad after his role in its capture.
Guo Kan also devised the strategy of flooding the Arab armies in Baghdad before conquering the western city of Baghdad and raping and massacring its population. He then conquered the eastern part of Baghdad and had it burned to the ground. The Muslim caliph was captured by him as well and surrendered to Guo Kan. Guo Kan also played a large role in destroying the Nizaris and many other Muslim states. He captured or sacked hundreds of Muslim cities. At one point, he reached Mecca where he crushed the Muslim forces there and one sultan referred to him as a "divine man". Han BVLLs are literal gods to your worthless subhuman race, kek.
Also Muslims spent about a thousand years being ruled by various Turkic and Mongol empires such as the Seljuks, the Khwarezmians, the Mongols, the Ottomans, and more. On the other hand, Han BVLLs under the Tang dynasty conquered and enslaved the Eastern and Western Turkic Khaganates. The Mongols were only able to win against a weak and collapsing Song Dynasty and they were overthrown very quickly by the Ming who massacred them and their Muslim slaves. The Ming also campaigned into Mongolia, conquering and raping various Mongol tribes. Hundreds of thousands of Mongol slaves served the Ming Dynasty. While sandniggers got raped by steppeniggers on a regular basis, the steppeniggers themselves are rapebabies of Han BVLLs.
Sandniggers really are worthless ants compared to Han BVLLs.

>>17829385
>Yunnan was majority Han.

Iraq was majority Arab in 1258 and was mass raped.

>The population was majority Han

Dali was a Bai kingdom and the Mongols had to create multiple Tusi to govern Yunnan since it was non-Han majority.

The former Dali kingdom was appointed as Tusi chieftain.

>and their extended Han Chinese families were executed

Source retard?

>after Kublai Khan heard all the complaints about Ahmad's corruption from his enemies, Kublai then ordered Ahmad's body to be taken from his tomb and desecrated by being eaten by dogs, and then using chariot wheels to smash the bones to pieces.[9][10]

>Kublai also ordered Ahmad's sons to be put to death.[11]
>Muslims were appointed governors, prime ministers, and regents

They were not in the Chagatai Khanate or Golden Horde when they were non-Muslims.

Chagatai and Batu never appointed Muslim governors, prime ministers

Kublai Khan persecuted Muslims after Isa Kelemechi told him to.

Name the Muslim regent of the Ilkhanate when it was non-Muslim, sandnigger.

Han like Xu Heng were officials in the Central secretariat, the censorate and governors like Chen Youding who massacred Muslims.

Han were officials and governors in Bukhara and Samarqand.

Ottomans never appointed Arabs as Grand vizer. They discriminated against Arab slaves.

Fatimids appointed Armenians, Turks, Berbers as Wazir and military commanders and not a single Arab slave.

>>17829390
Keep coping sandnigger

>>17829413
I just want to clarify this poster >>17829413

Is not me. I never use this term BVLLs

I am >>17829415 >>17829383 >>17829371 >17829356 >17829349 >17829346 >17829343 >17829337 >17829329 >17829306 >17829294 >17829289 >17829282 and so on

>>17829415
>Dali was a Bai kingdom
It was ruled by Bai but the population was majority Han Chinese until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>They were not in the Chagatai Khanate or Golden Horde when they were non-Muslims.
There were Muslim administrators, officials, and governors in the Chagatai, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde, and Yuan China. Including in the earlier periods before the Khans were Muslim.

>Han were officials
No Han mayor in Samarqand or Bukhara. No Han governors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East.

Meanwhile Muslim administrators and governors in China like Sayyid Ajall and Ahmad Fanakati were ruling over Han Chinese slaves.

There were Muslim administrators and governors in the Chagatai, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde, and Yuan China.

>Han were officials and governors in Bukhara and Samarqand.
Han Chinese slaves were officials working on the farms for Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara.. They were not governors like Sayyid Ajall who single handedly ruled an entire Chinese province by himself.

>Ottomans never appointed Arabs as Grand vizer. They discriminated against Arab slaves.
>Fatimids appointed Armenians, Turks, Berbers as Wazir and military commanders and not a single Arab slave.
There were Arab governors and viziers in the Ottoman Empire such as Governor of Hama and Damascus As'ad Pasha al-Azm, Minister of Trade Selim Melhame, and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Mu'in Emir of Mecca. The Mongols discriminated against Han Chinese slaves and didn't allow them the same position the Arabs had.

>>17829447
Cope, sandnigger, repeating your talking points won't make them true.

>>17829413
>Guo Kan also played a large role in destroying the Nizaris and many other Muslim states. He captured or sacked hundreds of Muslim cities. At one point, he reached Mecca where he crushed the Muslim forces there
Least schizophrenic Han Chinese microdick slave. This is as honest these retarded slaves can be.

>>17819540 (OP)
Based Mongols lol

>>17829452
Already provided the facts of millions of Muslims like Governor Sayyid Ajall and Minister Ahmad Fanakati ruling as gods over your worthless Han Chinese slave ancestors. You can't even name a Han slave that was mayor of any Muslim city, not even in Iraq.

>>17829456
Cope, Han BVLLs raped and massacred hundreds of thousands Muslims. Nothing you say can change that.

>>17829464
>Microdick Han Chinese slave seething
See >>17829458 and cope.

Arab men don't even want to rape Han Chinese slaves.

Indian Hindu men are breeding Han Chinese women in Singapore and Canada while Han Chinese men seethe impotently.

>>17829447
Han officials ruled Samarqand and Bukhara and Muslims weren't allowed to do anything without their permission

>was ruled by Bai but the population was majority Han Chinese

Sandnigger Ottoman rapebaby, its the reverse, Dali was ruled by a Han origin family while it's population was majority Bai.

>There were Muslim administrators, officials, and governors in the Chagatai, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde

Sandnigger, name them in the Chagatai Khanate and Golden Horde

The Han warlord Chen Youding was governor of Fujian in the Yuan and he massacred Muslims.

>There were Arab governors and viziers in the Ottoman Empire such as Governor of Hama and Damascus As'ad Pasha al-Azm, Minister of Trade Selim Melhame, and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Mu'in Emir of Mecca

Azm family are Turkish origin sandnigger

>Muhammad ibn Abd al-Mu'in Emir of Mecca

Not a governor sandnigger ans this is a hereditary title that existed before the Ottomans raped Hejaz.

The Han Chinese Kong family (Confucius family) continued to hold their hereditary title Duke Yansheng in Qufu while another cadet branch of the Kong were appointed as hereditary magistrate of Qufu.

The Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue married a Mongol woman from the Sulduz tribe.

Southern Song emperor Gong, Zhao Xian married a daughter of Kublai Khan.

>Sayyid Ajall and Ahmad Fanakati were ruling over Han Chinese slaves

Sayyid Ajall never ruled any Han provinces and Fanakati's entire family was killed and he never ruled anyone

this >>17829452 is the sandnigger false flagging.

>>17829458
You can't name a single Arab, Iraqi who governed or ruled a Chinese city or even non-Han province in China sandnigger.

>>17829472
Han Chinese men married and impregnated Indian Hindu women and Indian Muslim women in Mauritius, Jamaica, Guyana, Fiji, Trinidad and Tobago.

The Chindian population of Carribean, Mauritius and Fiji is Han male Indian female.

Also in India itself in Assam and Tamil Nadu from Han workers or deportees by the British marrying Indian women.

>>17829472
Northern Han Chinese women marrying Indian Hindu men
youtube.com/watch?v=2Ud63JC9J5E

Northern Han Chinese incels seething that Northern Han Chinese women prefer Indian Hindu men
youtube.com/watch?v=Lob2HzHoqTM

>>17829458
Can you read, nigger? Guo Kan was governor of Baghdad and was explicitly called a divine being by sandniggers.
>>17829466
You haven't refuted a single point I made, retard. All you have done and can do is impotently seethe about Han BVLLs.

>>17829472
>>17829483
Indian soldiers fucked Arab girls in Iraq when serving in the British Indian army.

>>17829472
>>17829483
>>17829492
British Indian army soldiers married and impregnated Iraqi women after killing their men.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XIeXDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA242

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=i-4WhilzYkQC&pg=PA168

>>17829472
>>17829483
>>17829492
>>17829501

>>17829472
>>17829483
>>17829492
>>17829501
>>17829504
This is Gokul Chand Mukherji, who was posted as a soldier in 1918 in Iraq . He married 3 local Iraqi women, haba khan, Amina and khairiyat aiyub ghaiyub.

He was a Bengali Hindu.

>>17829479
>Han officials
Han Chinese slaves were officials working on the farms for Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara.

>ruled Samarqand and Bukhara
Mongols, Khitans, and Muslims were governors and mayors in Central Asia.

>Dali
It was ruled by Bai but the population was majority Han Chinese until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>name them in the Chagatai Khanate and Golden Horde
Muslims administrators, governors, mayors, and regents were appointed by non-Muslims Khans. These include Ahmad Fanakati, Mu'in al-Din Parwana, Sadr-ud-Din Zanjani, Sayyid Ajall, Aṭa Malik Juwayni, Shams al-Din, etc.

>Azm family are Turkish origin
They are Arab and their name isn't in Turkish. There were many Arab governors like Ottoman governor of Damascus Janbirdi al-Ghazali and Hussein bin Ali who led the Arab revolt. The Mongols discriminated against Han Chinese slaves and didn't allow them the same position the Arabs had.

>this is a hereditary title
No it isn't retard. They were appointed.

>Sayyid Ajall
Ruled the Han Chinese.

>You can't name a single Arab, Iraqi who governed or ruled a
You can't name a single Han who governed or ruled an Arab city or even a non-Han province anywhere in the Mongol Empire.

>>17829472
>>17829483
>>17829508
>>17829501

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17598445/#q17598529

>>17598529

>>17829515
What about modern dating? Han Chinese women love Indian Hindu penis.

>>17829472
>>17829483
>>17829515

Several decades before the Black Bantu African Zanj revolt, the Indian Jatt (Zutt) people revolted against the Abbasids in the same place, they also stormed Basra and took it and massacred Arabs and took their women as sex slaves.

Apparently, the Jāt (Zutt) people of the Indian subcontinent were used as mercenaries by the Arab caliphs of Baghdād. Such was their insolence that they blocked the Basra-Baghdad highway in revolt.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17525919/#q17525969

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>>17525919


The Zutt rebels were all granted guarantee of safe conduct, they weren't enslaved or massacred after surrendering, while they had massacred and raped Arabs during the revolt.

The Arab pussies agreed to the safe conduct agreement for the Zutt Indians.

>>17829525
Chinkspammer you said multiple times Iraqis aren't real Arabs.

>>17829522
https://www.tiktok.com/discover/iraqi-women-married-to-an-indian-man

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/saudi-girl-s-love-affair-with-indian-expat-shocks-her-family-115052001210_1.html

Saudi girl ready to marry Indian

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/woiCjVBU5XQ

>>17819540 (OP)
I had sex with a Mongolian woman once. Im imagining this as similar to that.

>>17829483
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>>17829522
>>17829525
Black African Bantu Zanj rebels took noble Arab women as concubines, from the Hashemite clan of the Quraysh tribe, including Abbasids, Hassanids (Hassanis) and Husaynids (Husseinids or Husseinis).

They were publicly auctioned in the market for two or three dirhams while their genealogies were read out. Each black Zanji had ten, twenty or thirty of these girls and women as concubines.

The Black Zanj rebels killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs, with 300,000 Arabs slaughtered at Basra alone.

Some estimated 500,000 dead or even more.

https://books.google.iq/books?id=_5MrBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA318

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17525919/

>>17525919

>>17829483
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>>17829535
>>17525919
>>17525921

https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/yemeni-people-khaiwan-1930-picture-from-the-book-people-of-all-nations--14847873747602802/

ARAB WOMAN AND HALF - BREED CHILDREN OF THE RED SEA COAST

Like this curious group , many Yemen families along the coast show touches of negro blood . Inland as far as the town of Khaiwan , the converted blacks exercise important power , and often marry with Arab girls of the poor class . This is the result of many years of Red Sea traffic in African slaves , between Abyssinia and all Arabia and beyond

Photo Donald McLersh

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>>17829511
>Most of the fields and gardens belong to the Mohammedans, but they are not allowed to dispose of them. They are obliged to manage their properties in conjunction with Ti-tan (i.e., Karakhitai), Chinese, and men from Ho si [=Tanguts].

>NOT ALLOWED

SINO-KHITAN ADMINISTRATION IN MONGOL BUKHARA

Han, Khitan and Tanguts were officials and governors in Central Asia and Muslims weren't allowed to do anything without their permission

Chagatai Khan hated Muslims

https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/chaghatayid-dynasty/

>The same author (I, pp. 162, 227) depicts Čaḡatai as extremely zealous in enforcing Mongol customary law, the yasa; the Muslims especially suffered, since various prescriptions of the Šarīʿa, such as those for ritual ablution or for the slaughter of animals, ran counter to Mongol practice.


As a ruler of Muslim regions, Chagatai absolutely ignored Islamic traditions and customs, which often contradicted the Mongol Yasa.
The bloody cruelty with which Chagatai punished all misdeeds made his name hated by Muslims.

>rules by Bai

Dali royal family Duan were of Han paternal origin from Wuwei in Gansu according to the Yuan itself.

Their subjects were all Bai

Iraq was all Arab when it was raped.

>Fanakati

Not in the Chagatai Khanate or Golden horde dumb sandnigger

>Janbirdi

He was a Mamluk Emir and his name isn't even Arab

>appointed

That was the Sharif of Mecca which existed before the Ottomans sandnigger

Sayyid Ajall was stationed in Bai majority Yunnan with the Mongol prince of Liang watching him.

He never ruled any Han region

Han were governors in Samarqand and Bukhara

Not a single Arab ruled any Chinese province.

>>17829511
>>17829562
Muslims said Chagatai Khan wanted to genocide Muslims.
>The initial period after the Mongol conquest was, for many Muslims, not easier. Statements by modern writers of Mongol religious toleration have been greatly over-exaggerated. While it is true that the Mongols in the early years of the Empire generally did not persecute on the basis of religion, the Mongols did persecute on the basis on specific beliefs that they felt ran contrary to steppe custom or the laws of Chinggis Khan, the great yassa. For example, for slaughtering animals the Mongols forbid the spilling of blood. This differed greatly from Muslim and Jewish halal and kosher slaughter, that mandated the draining of it. This in particular became a frequent source of conflict over the thirteenth century, with the Mongols feeling the spilling of blood on the earth would bring misfortune. We are told from the Persian writer Juvaini, a member of Hulegu’s entourage in the 1250s, that Chinggis Khan’ second son Chagatai so thoroughly enforced this prohibition that “for a time no man slaughtered sheep openly in Khorasan, and Muslims were forced to eat carrion.” Essentially, the Mongol viewpoint was that as long as a given religion adherents remained loyal and did not perform the tenets the Mongols forbid, then the worshippers could practice freely. But such freedoms could be revoked: Khubilai Khan in the 1280s, upon feeling insulted when a group of Muslims at his court refused to eat meat he offered them, banned halal slaughter and circumcision, on pain of property loss and death, for almost the entire decade. A Khwarezmian refugee to the Delhi Sultanate writing around 1260, Juzjani, wrote of his sincere belief that Chagatai and other members of the Mongol leadership intended a genocide of the Muslims

>>17829472
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>>17829508

Britain also used Indian soldiers in Ras al-Khaimah (UAE), Aden and Egypt where they all had sex with Arab women.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_the_Persian_Gulf#1819%E2%80%931820_expedition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_vessels_for_the_British_campaign_against_the_Al_Qasimi_pirates_(1819-20)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_campaign_of_1809

This is the world record for fastest British victory and not a single British death. The British destroyed the Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait-Najd_War


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Urabi_revolt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Egyptian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Expedition

>>17829508
Indian Bengali Hindu ans his three Iraqi wives and children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gokul_Chand_Mukerji

>>17829529
Just report them

>>17829472
>>17829483
>In the late 19th to early 20th century, Chinese men in Mauritius married Indian women due to both a lack of Chinese women and the higher numbers of Indian women on the island.[10][11] The 1921 census in Mauritius counted that Indian women there had a total of 148 children fathered by Chinese men.[12][13] These Chinese immigrants were mostly traders.[14]

>In the late 19th to early 20th century, Chinese men in Mauritius married Indian women due to both a lack of Chinese women and higher numbers of Indian women on the island.[75][76] At first the prospect of relations with Indian women was unappealing to the original all male Chinese migrants yet they eventually had to establish sexual unions with Indian women since there were no Chinese women coming.[77] The 1921 census in Mauritius counted that Indian women there had a total of 148 children sired by Chinese men.[78][79] These Chinese were mostly traders.[80] Colonialist stereotypes in the sugar colonies of Indians emerged such as "the degraded coolie woman" and the "coolie wife beater", due to Indian women being murdered by their husbands after they ran away to other richer men since the ratio of Indian women to men was low.[81] It was much more common for Chinese and Indians to intermarry than within their own group. Intermarriage between people of different Chinese and Indian language groups is rare; it is so rare that the cases of intermarriage between Cantonese and Hakka can be individually named. Hakka Chinese, who came after Cantonese and Fujian chinese, were less likely to marry Indians.[82]

>>17829472
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>>17831233
The situation in Trinidad and British Guiana with Indian women being fewer than Indian men led to Indian women using the situation to their advantage by leaving their partners for other men, leading to a high incidence of "wife murders" by Indian men on their wives, and Indian women and culture were branded as "immoral" by European observers, an Indian Muslim man named Mohammad Orfy petitioned as a representative of "destitute Indian men of Trinidad", to the colonial authorities, complaining of Indian women's behavior and claiming that it was "a perforating plague...the high percentage of immoral lives led by the female section of our community...to satisfy the greed and lust of the male section of quite a different race to theirs...[Indian women] are enticed, seduced and frightened into becoming concubines, and paramours...[Indian women] have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of the value of being in virginhood...most shameless and a perfect menace to the Indian gentry." with him naming specific peoples, claiming that Indian women were having sex with Chinese men, Americans, Africans, and Europeans,[83][84][85][86][87] saying "Africans, Americans and Chinese in goodly numbers are enticing the females of India, who are more or less subtle to lustful traps augured through some fear of punishment being meted out if not readily submissive as requested."[88][89][90]

The situation on Trinidad enabled unprecedented autonomy in the sexual activities of Hindu and Muslim Indian women and freedom.[91] The 1916 "Peition of Indentured Labourers in Trinidad" complained that: "Is it permissible for a male member of the Christian faith to keep a Hindoo or Muslim female as his paramour or concubine? Is this not an act of sacrilege and a disgraceful scandal according to the Christian faith to entice and encourage Indian females to lead immoral lives?"[91]

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>>17829483
>>17831233
>>17831242
On plantations white European managers took advantage of and use indentured Indian woman for sex,[92] in addition, English, Portuguese, and Chinese men were also in sexual relationships with Indian women as noted by Attorney General W.F. Haynes Smith, while Creole women were abhorred or ignored by Indian men.[93][94] Approval of interracial marriage has increased in Trinidad and Tobago and one Chinese man reported that his Indian wife did not encounter any rejection from his parents when asked in a survey.[95] In Trinidad Europeans and Chinese are seen as acceptable marriage partners for Indian women by Indian families while marrying black men would lead to rejection of their daughters by Indian families.[96]

>>17829472
>>17829483
>>17831249
In Guyana, Chinese men married Indian women due to the lack of Chinese women in the early days of settlement.[49] Creole sexual relationships and marriages with Chinese and Indians were rare,[50] however it has become more common for Indian women and Chinese men to establish sexual relations with each other and some Chinese men took their Indian wives back with them to China.[51] Indian women and children were brought alongside Indian men as coolies while Chinese men made up 99% of Chinese coolies.[52]

The contrast with the female to male ratio among Indian and Chinese immigrants has been compared by historians.[53]

In Guyana, while marriages between Indian women and black African men is socially shameful to Indians, Chinese-Indian marriages are considered acceptable as reported by Joseph Nevadomsky in 1983.[54] "Chiney-dougla" is the Indian Guyanese term for mixed Chinese-Indian children.[55] Some Indian women in Guiana had multiple partners due to the greater number of men than women, an account of the era told by women in British Guiana is of a single Chinese man who was allowed to temporarily borrow a Hindu Indian woman by her Indian husband who was his friend, so the Chinese man could sire a child with her, after a son was born to her the Chinese man kept the boy while she was returned to her Indian husband, the boy was named William Adrian Lee.[56][57] An Indian woman named Mary See married a Chinese man surnamed Wu in Goedverwagting and founded their own family after he learned how to process sugar cane.[58]

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>>17831262
In British Guiana, the Chinese did not maintain their distinctive physical features due to the high rate of Chinese men marrying people other ethnicities like Indian women.[59][60][61] The severe imbalance with Indian men outnumbering Indian women led some women to take advantage of the situation to squeeze favors from men and leave their partners for other men,[62] one infamous example was a pretty, light skinned, Christian Indian woman named Mary Ilandun with ancestral origins from Madras, born in 1846, who had sex with Indian, black, and Chinese men as she married them in succession and ran off with their money to her next paramour, doing this from 1868 to 1884.[63] Indian men used force to bring Indian women back in line from this kind of behavior.[64] The most severe lack of women in all the peoples of British Guiana was with the Chinese and this led Europeans to believe that Chinese did not engage in wife murders while wife murders was something innate to Indian men, and unlike Indian coolie women, Chinese women were viewed as chaste.[65] Chinese women were not indentured and since they did not need to work, they avoided prospective men seeking relationships, while the character of Indian women was disparaged as immoral and their alleged sexual looseness was blamed for their deaths in the "wife murders" by Indian men.[66] The sex ratio of Indian men to Indian women was 100:63 while the sex ratio of Chinese men to Chinese women was 100:43 in British Guiana in 1891.[67]

In British Guiana there was growth of coolie Indian women marriages with Chinese men and it was reported that "It is not an uncommon thing to find a cooly woman living with a Chinaman as his wife, and in one or two instances the woman has accompanied her reputed husband to China." by Dr. Comins in 1891 and an 1892 Immigration British Guiana authorities took note of marriages between Indian women and Chinese men that year.[68][69]

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>>17831269
When black and Indian women had children with Chinese men the children were called chaina raial in Jamaican English.[70] The Chinese community in Jamaica was able to consolidate because an openness to marrying Indian women was present in the Chinese since Chinese women were in short supply.[71] Women sharing was less common among Indians in Jamaica according to Verene A. Shepherd.[72] The small number of Indian women were fought over between Indian men and led to a rise in the amount of wife murders by Indian men.[73] Indian women made up 11 percent of the annual amount of Indian indentured migrants from 1845 to 1847 in Jamaica.[74]

>>17829472
>>17829483


https://archive.is/uOzMW

https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121081244278767616

>I used to see Han men in Tajikistan married to the local Tajik women.

https://archive.is/8jepF

https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121104703264366592

>Do something about it. Tajik men are finished. Would rather wageslave, get drunk, and whore around in Russia than take care of their families and wives.

>>17829472
>>17829483
https://nextshark.com/tajik-woman-marcona-chinese-migrant-husband-pictures/

https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1876805&highlight=

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/12/07/tajiki_migrant_marriage/

>IN PHOTOS: A day in the life of a Tajik woman who married a Chinese migrant worker

>A 24-year-old woman from Tajikistan who married a Sichuan migrant worker has recently become popular on Chinese social media after a photographer documented a day in her life.

>Marcona (or мapчoнa) met her husband Wang Xuequan four years ago in Tajikistan. Marcona was working in the kitchen of the construction site where Wang was assigned. As Marcona began to learn Mandarin from Chinese migrant workers, she became close with Wang due to their similar backgrounds and experiences. The couple fell in love and soon decided to tie the knot.
>After following Wang to Taiwan, Marcona and Wang eventually relocated to Shanxi province with their son.

>Wang goes to work early every day, leaving Marcona and their son in their dorm room. The stay-at-home mom looks after their child and does the household chores.
>Marcona told the photographer that she has gotten used to living in the workers’ dorm located on the construction site. She treats it like their family home.
>As a young mother, Marcona likes to whip out her phone to snap photos of her son. She documents her life on her WeChat account where she uses Chinese and Tajiki to express herself.

>When it comes to parenting, Marcona said she primarily uses Mandarin to educate her child. After all, she says, they are living in China.

>During lunch time, Marcona and her son eat at the construction site’s cafeteria. “At first, I was not accustomed to Chinese food, particularly spicy Sichuan food. People in my country eat a lot of bread, but Chinese people live on rice and noodles,” she said. “But I have adapted to it now.”

>Sometimes, the mother and son take their lunch back home to eat.
Marjona

>>17831291

When dating outside the Arab society and even diving into a more liberal white society, Arab women don’t have to face judgement, lie about their history, or pretend to be a delicate flower that hasn’t experienced life, or worry about overshadowing an Arab man’s ego. Again we’re not saying that Arab men are the scum of the earth, but many still hold traditional expectations that no longer align with Arab women’s needs in a relationship. Is it so terrible that an Arab woman just like everyone else wants to feel on edge with the person she’s dating?

When an Arab Girl Dates A White Boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WepSwGGWSO8
https://www.thecomfycow.com/arabic-women-seeking-older-white-men/

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6015950

According to statistics 22% of Arab women marry white men

This is twice as much as Hindu Indian women despite Indians being Hindu and Arabs being Muslim and Indian women being 3rd generation too

This is almost 6× more than Pakistani women and bengali women marrying out despite Pakistanis being 3rd generation in britain

Are arab women not attracted to arab men in britain?

Ive seen lap dances in London by the bucketloads of Lebanese women and Palestinian women on british white men.

>>17819540 (OP)
Vietniggers

>>17827706
>Moscow was evacuated of its civilians and burned down by the Russians themselves
uh yeah so what vietnamese did
>numerically superior Vietnamese
they were supplemented by Song loyalist, no shit they got overran with useless Chinese among the ranks
>>17827798
no they didn't, that's why it was invaded 3 times you absolute tard
>Following their conquest of the Song, the Yuan court renewed their unprecedented demands on the Tran dynasty, and complained that Tran Hoang sent inferior tribute gifts and did not treat edicts from the Yuan with the proper decorum and respect. In turn, Tran Hoang complained that the tribute demands were burdensome and that Annan would be a laughingstock for having a darughachi, as if it were some kind of small border tribe rather than a state. In 1278, Tran Hoang retired and his son Tran Kham took the throne. The Mongol court demanded that Tran Kham personally visit Beijing. Moreover, they sent an edict to Tran Kham that threatened that if he did not at last obey the six demands and personally visit the Yuan court, then he had better “strengthen the city walls and put the military in order, to await the arrival of our army.”

>>17832700
>Tran Kham responded that he had spent his life in the seclusion of the palace, was not used to riding a horse, and could not handle the hardships of the road. When he had still not complied two years later, the Yuan court sent him a letter that read, “If you cannot come in person, then send a gold statue to represent your person, with two pearls to represent your eyes, as well as virtuous scholars, doctors, children, artisans, two of each, to represent the local people. If not, repair your walls and moats, and await your trial and execution.”17 >In 1283, Khubilai Khan sent word to Tran Kham that he intended to send Yuan armies across Tran territory in order to attack the Tran’s southern neighbor, the kingdom of Champa. Khubilai Khan was not requesting permission; he was demanding that the Tran contribute provisions and other support to the Yuan army. Tran Kham refused. Khubilai appointed his eleventh son, Toghan, to lead the offensive, granting him the title “King of the Suppressed South” (Zhennan wang).

vietnamese never gave a shit what the savages to their north wanted be it chinese, mongols, manchus

>>17832700
>>17832703
>uh yeah so what vietnamese did

The Mongols sacked, raped and destroyed Hanoi while it was fully populated.

Vietnamese did not evacuate the capital they tried to defend the capital in pitched battle at Bình Lệ Nguyên in January 1258 at Vinh Phuc.

The outnumbered Mongols massacred the numerically superior Vietnamese army and then marched in Hanoi, sacked and massacred the fully populated capital.

Russians refused to give pitched battle to Napoleon and evacuated Moscow themselves and burned it themselves to deny Napoleon shelter and supplies.

Moscow was also not Russia's capital at the time.

>they were supplemented by Song loyalist, no shit they got overran with useless Chinese among the ranks

Wrong invasion retard, this was the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam in 1258 and Southern Song still existed and there were no Song loyalists in Vietnam.

Mongols were trying to reach Southern Song by going through Vietnam in the first invasion like Germany's WW1 Schlieffen plan to reach France through Belgium.

Also, the Song loyalists under Zhao Zhong were the ones who defeated the Yuan forces in the third invasion (who were mostly non-Mongol)

The Yuan sent Bukharan Muslims from Yunnan under Sayyid Ajjal's son Umar to attack Vietnam in the third invasion in 1287-1288.

On the first invasion, they sent 3,000 Mongols and 10,000 Yi (Lolo) from Yunnan against 40,000 Vietnamese soldiers.

Vietnam paid tribute and had a Mongol Darughachi assigned to them for years after the first invasion.

The second Mongol invasion was directed against Champa, not Vietnam, and it was led by a Kipchak Turk.

>>17832700
>>17832787
Russians refuses to give battle so they could preserve their army for to destroy and pursue Napoleon all the way on his way back to France.

Russians did guerilla attacks when Napoleon made his way to Moscow and then sent their main army to follow him back to Paris and did pitched battle to destroy what was left of his army in Germany and occupy Paris when Napoleon retreated. Russian army occupied France.

Vietnamese tried to stop the Mongols in Vinh Phuc in open pitched battle and got slaughtered by Mongols.

Mongols then sacked the fully populated capital of Hanoi for 9 days.

The victorious Mongols then left after Vietnam paid tribute and a Mongol Darughachi was assigned.

No Vietnamese army followed them back to Karakorum in Mongolia.

>>17832700
>>17832787
>>17832798
>Following their conquest of the Song, the Yuan court renewed their unprecedented demands on the Tran dynasty, and complained that Tran Hoang sent inferior tribute gifts and did not treat edicts from the Yuan with the proper decorum and respect. In turn, Tran Hoang complained that the tribute demands were burdensome and that Annan would be a laughingstock for having a darughachi, as if it were some kind of small border tribe rather than a state. In 1278, Tran Hoang retired and his son Tran Kham took the throne

The Song still existed in 1278 showing whoever wrote this was a retard.

Vietnamese did not evacuate Hanoi.

Vietnamese did not destroy their own capital.

The Mongols destroyed the Vietnamese army protecting Hanoi and then raped the Vietnamese in Hanoi.

There was no Vietnamese army left in 1258 to harass and follow the Mongols, Russians followed Napoleon all the way back to Paris.

>>17832705
Tran dynasty was founded by Chinese from Song dynasty Fujian.

>>17832811
Chen dynasty.

>>17832787
>Mongols massacred the numerically superior

>Uriyangkhadai’s son Aju ordered the bowmen to shoot at the feet of the Trần’s elephants
and the beasts ran amok, the Trần troops were routed.
>elephant hurts itself in it's own confusion
is that what passes for massacre now?

>>17832798
>Mongol Darughachi was assigned.
what source says vietnamese aceded to a darughachi? it literally says right there
>Moreover, they sent an edict to Tran Kham that threatened that if he did not at last obey the six demands

meanwhile in reality, the absolute state of mongols INCESSANTLY whining about vietnamese
>In 1267 Kublai Khan’s tone toward Đại Việt changed. Two imperial letters were despatched to Trần Thánh Tông this year. The first was sent on the seventh moon with a rebuke on the fact that, ‘while offering tributes regularly, the Trần emperor did not come to Dadu to pay respect, did not submit a population register, nor send hostages, or contribute troops to the Mongol army’, whereas ‘these have always been among the six requirements of vassal states, not something invented specially for Đại Việt’(Abbreviated Records of An Nam, p. 52). The other two requirements were to pay taxes and accept a Daruγaci, a Mongol-appointed overseer. The imperial letter also complained that their Daruγaci Nasir-Al-Dīn had difficulty with the Việt court, and was refused meetings with the emperor. The second letter of the same year was briefer and reminded the Trần emperor of his duty toward the Mongols
>In an imperial letter to the Trần court in 1275 Kublai Khan made his displeasure clear:...according to my ancestors’ decrees, all vassal rulers have the duty to come in person to pay tribute, send family members to be hostages, conduct census for tax purposes, contribute troops for military use and accept a Daruyaci. I have explained all these requirements to you in the past years, yet, after fifteen years of being a vassal, you have never come to my court to pay respect and have never acted upon the rest of the Requirements.

>>17832798
not only was the daraguchi not aceded to they were considered absolute jokes lmao
>According to Mongol traditions, a Daruγaci was a supreme overseer that had overall power over the local rulers of a Mongol conquered land. However, in Đại Việt, while he was treated as an ambassador with full honour and lavish gifts, he acted as a benign envoy, not a fierce and demanding representative of the Mongol court. This displeased the Yuan emperor and he decided to recall him. Đại Việt asked for him to come back but ‘a new Daruγaci was appointed to Đại Việt in 1272 and he died there the next year’

>>17832803
>There was no Vietnamese army left in 1258

yeah about that
> On 29 January 1258, Emperor Trần Thái Tông, accompanied by his Crown prince Hoảng, travelled by boat up the Red River to arrive at the eastern gate of Thăng Long, the scene of their hasty evacuation only days before. They then fought the enemy, thereby taking the city without much opposition
>The Mongols were noted on this occasion as ‘so weak and demoralised’ that they just ‘went without even thinking of looting along the way’ (ibid.). This group of retreating soldiers then went down in Vietnamese history as ‘the Buddhist enemies’, a nickname local people mockingly awarded them for not looting or killing

>>17832803
vietnamese are simply an unrivalled race except maybe jews
>Most importantly though, by simply looking at the date, the first Mongol invasion of Đại Việt in January 1258, as documented by records on both sides and by the Persian historian Rashid-al-Din, was the first defeat of the Mongols worldwide (Vu 2008:86–105). This failure preceded their much better known defeat by the Mamluks at Ain Jalut in September 1260 (Morgan 1990:156). It also preceded the Mongol’s more widely recorded failure in Asia that is the weather-thwarted invasion of Japan in 1274.5
>This Mongol failure in Đại Việt has been a factual historical event obscured by the lack of cross-study between different scholarships on the Mongols until recently, when it was acknowledged by the Encyclopædia Iranica: that campaign had ended in disaster when Mongol troops had invaded Vietnam and had succumbed to diseases and guerrilla tactics from local Viet forces, leading to an ignominious retreat and the first major imperial defeat.

>>17832811
yeah about that
>囝: Min dialectal word for “son; child”. Substrate borrowing, cognate with Proto-Mon-Khmer *kuun (“child, son”) (Vietnamese con

>>17834204
The elephants stampeded the Vietanmese troops behind them instead of stampeding the Mongols

The Mongols then massacred the surviving Vietnamese army from the elephant stampede.

>>17834222
>>17834233
You're deliberately conflating events from the second and third invasions with the first invasion


Those are Kublai's demands for stationing a Darughachi from the second and third invasions not what happened in 1258 under Mongkë Khan where the Tran was forced to pay tribute and a Darughachi was sent after Hanoi was sacked for 9 days.

The Tran later reneged in the terms after Mongke Khan died.

>>17834262
Gook cope

The Mongols already raped everyone on their initial invasion routes they retreated along the same route.

The Mongols invaded Vietnam via Yunnan (Dali Kingdom) and raped ok their way to Hanoi after crushing and masacring the Vietnamese army in Vinh Phuc in early 1258.

The Mongols then sacked Hanoi unimpeded for 9 days before leaving and returning to Yunnan along the already raped route.

They didn't need to rape the same people a second time

>>17834272
> (Vu 2008:86–105).

Gook source and Rashid al-Din doesn't actually say that.

Rashid talks about the third Mongol invasion in his book led by Umar and confuses it with Mongol invasion of Java in Indonesia.

There were three invasions

First by the Mongol empire under Mongkë Khan in 1258, by 3,000 Mongols and 10,000 Yi from Yunnan, they sacked and raped Hanoi.

Second by the Yuan dynasty (no longer the Mongol empire) directed at Champa in 1284–1285.

Third by the Yuan dynasty in 1287-1288, this invasion force was led by Central Asian Muslims like Umar from Yunnan.

Möngke Khan was the last leader of the unified Mongol empire. He was killed by Southern Song troops at Diaoyu in 1259.

The Mongol empire then split into four khanates after his death.

Kublai then declared his portion as the Yuan dynasty in 1271.

>>17834291
Are you retarded. There are Cham words in south Vietnamese dialects.

Also Khmers are Mon-Khmer and they hate Vietnamese Kinh people. There are even Munda Mon-Khmer people in India.

The rulers of the Minyue kingdom and the Min kingdom all came from Northern China.

Also the later Ho dynasty of Vietnam from Zhejiang traced it's ancestry to Duke Hu of Chen in northern China and Emperor Shun.

>>17834291
>>17834298
Montagnards are also Mon-Khmer and Austronesian and they hate Vietnamese kinh as well.

Language family ≠ same ethnic group.

The Tran dynasty moved to Vietnam during the Song dynasty, when Baiyue peoples were extinct.

Au Lac was ruled by Shu people from Sichuan. They were not Mon-Khmer.

>>17834222
>>17834293
Southern Song soldiers led by Zhao Zhong moved to Vietnam after 1279 and were there in the third invasion in 1287-1288, where Omar was killed.

Vietnamese sources are the ones who credit Song troops for defeating Yuan forces in 1287-1288.

There were no Southern Song soldiers in Vietnam in the first invasion in 1258.

Kublai Khan had nothing to do with the first invasion in 1258, that was sent by Mongke Khan.

All of Kublai's demands were in the second and third invasions in the 1280s.

Also Mongols were in a hot jungle, malaria infested, totally different fron the steppe, and their composite bows are hard to work in Vietnam's hot humid climate and they still managed to massacre the Vietnamese army.

Mongols weren't used to malaria and hot jungles and they sacked Hanoi

>>17834293
fact is elephants inflicted the damage and mongols cleaned up, absolute cringe calling that a rape

>from the second and third invasions
1267, 1275

>Gook source
cope more you absolute cuck, imagine being chinese and venerating mongols like this lmao, the fact is your precious mongols were never able to compel vietnamese to carry out their demands despite their constant whining and 3 invasions, nuff said

>>17834298
vietnamese and chams lived adjacent to each other meanwhile how did an austroasiatic word appear in fujianese language?
>came from Northern China
wrong, minyue are remnants of yue state who's rulers were austroasiatic chu though the commonfolk were austronesians/tai

ho is hu the word they used for barbarians you absolute tard, in reality he was a le clan member but they disparaged him because he was a usurper

>>17834335
The Mongols shot the elephants which turned around and stampeded the Vietnamese, and then the Mongols massacred the routed retreating Vietnamese army , and then sacked and raped Hanoi

The elephants shot full of arrows three the Vietnamese army into a rout which let the Mongols and Yi massacre it.

>wrong, minyue are remnants of yue state who's rulers were austroasiatic chu

1. The rulers of Yue and Minyue were enemies of Chu. Chu invaded Yue and caused the survivors to flee south and establish Minyue

2. The rulers of Yue and Minyue claimed direct descent from the Xia dynasty in northern China

3. The rulers of Chu originated from Northern China in Henan and also tracked their ancesty to the Yellow emperors and Shang dynasty nobles.

It is the Shu royal family in Sichuan that descended from a Chu commoner


>ho is hu the word they used for barbarians you absolute tard

The surname comes from the Duke's personal title you retard, Duke Hu (胡公) of the Chen state in Henan, northern China.

Duke Hu's real name was Gui Man, his surname was Gui (嬀)

He traces his descent to the Shun emperor

>>17834335
>>17834341
>Duke Hu of Chen (Chinese: 陈胡公 or 胡公满; Chinese: 陳胡公 or 胡公滿; pinyin: Chén Hú Gōng or Hu Gong Man; fl. 11th century BC) was the posthumous title given to Gui Man (Chinese: 媯滿, with "Man" being his given name and "Gui" being his ancestral temple surname) by his father-in-law, King Wu of Zhou, who founded the Zhou dynasty in 1046 BC. Duke Hu was the founder of the Chen state, a dynastic vassal state of the Zhou dynasty located in modern-day eastern Henan.
>During the Western Zhou, commoners began to be identified by their place of residence, which would go on to become their lineage surname. As the first ruler of Chen state, Duke Hu is therefore regarded as the originator of the surname Chen, one of the more prevalent family names in China, although he is not directly related as apical ancestor to many of the people who carry the name. After being granted the posthumous title of Duke Hu, his descendants began to use Hu as their surname. It was common during this time for descendants to take the posthumous title as their lineage surname, just as it was common, if not more so, to use a place name as a surname.[1] Duke Hu of Chen is thus also considered a founding ancestor of those with the surname Hu. The rulers of the Hồ (Hu) dynasty of Vietnam claimed to be Duke Hu's descendants.

Duke Hu of Chen and the Chu royal family both came from Henan in northern China.

His Chen state was in Henan.

Chu's first capital Danyang was in Henan, northern China.

>>17834342
Also Zhao Tuo who established Nanyue came from Hebei in northern China.

Wang Shenzhi who established the Min kingdom in Fujian came from Henan in northern China.

Liu Zhiqian whose son Liu Yan founded Southern Han in Guangdong vane from Henan in north China.

The royals of Wu in Jiangsu claimed descent from the Zhou dynasty kings in Shaanxi and the rulers of Yue in Zhejiang and Minyue in Fujian claimed descent from the Xia dynasty kings in Henan.

The Chu royals in Henan traced descent from the Yellow Emperor.

>>17834305
uh yeah obviously, do you think any vietnamese wants to claim relations with cambodians nevermind austroasiatics in india or whereever
the fact is vietnamese historical records state that vietnamese origin is in south china, we have undisputable evidence that austroasiatics dominated south china in antiquity around the time of the zhou era


>>17834342
keep coping, ho has always been a word used to refer to barbarians particularly the nomad variety in vietnam and china
>Nguyễn Trung Ngạn, head of an envoy mission to the Yuan court in 1314, referred to the Yuan dynasty as Hồ (胡), meaning barbarians

>>17834341
>Certain references in Guóyŭ and elsewhere indicate that an obscure branch of the house of Chǔ took over the Yuè (northern Zhèjiāng) region about two centuries subsequent to the founding of Zhōu11; thus the Yuè rulers who emerge in the late Spring and Autumn era are likely to have had an ancestral relationship to Chŭ, a possibility that harmonizes well with Yuè’s frequent military cooperation with Chŭ in that period.
>The myth of descent from Shào Kāng’s son Wú Yú was very likely a later invention that served to smooth Yuè’s relations with its sinitic neighbors. It may have played a role as well in the civic religion of Yuè. Several of the names of Yuè rulers of the mid Warring tates era (Wú Yú Zhī, Wú Zhuān, Wú Qiáng) appear to be modeled on the name Wú Yú,

>The author of the “Suǒyǐn” notes appended to Shǐjì 41 at one point suggests that the triple recurrence in mid Warring States times of these initial “Wú”s may mean that it was a surname. This reflects a sinocentric misunderstanding of Yuè naming practices. A likelier possibility is that this wú meant “ruler” in Yuè, being cognate, perhaps, with “vua” in Mường and Vietnamese. Its placement at the beginning of each designation in which it occurs is quite in accord with Austroasiatic syntax.

>>17834360
the following non-Chinese words in the Min dialect of Fu-chien are shared with Vietnamese and other Austroasiatic languages: “shaman” (Vietnamese dong),“child” (con), “damp, wet moist” (dam), “a type of crab” (sam), “to know, to recognize” (biet), “scum, froth” (hot), “duckweed” (beo), “a kind of small fish”(ke).196
>Among the Mi, Kui and Yue do not deserve the Mandate; Mi of the Min are savages; only Jing [Chu] really possess brilliant virtue.56 If Zhou declines, [Chu] will surely prosper

let's review the facts
the tran were fujianese and fujianese were just kinh ethnics living in fujian
mongols shot at some elephants who went apeshit destroying the vietnamese then mongols came in and cleaned up, apparently that's 'rape' lmao
mongols despite their incessant whining and invasions were never able to force vietnamese into taking them seriously or aquisense to their demands like arabs or whatever races they conquered
UNRIVALLED

>>17829511
Al Azm family of Syria carry a Gokturk Y haplogroup, J-Z27681, found in Gokturk (552-840 AD) tombs in CentralnAsia Mongolia/Kazakhstan, centuries before Islam spread to Turks. Arabs never reached Mongolia.

Its a Gokturk J1 subclade.

Not all J1 is Arab, idiot.

J2 and J1 are prehistoric Haologroups with subclades that split tens of thousands of years ago, there is Turkic and Mongol J1 and J2 as well as Dravidian J1 and J2.

Al Azm are Turkmen and came to Syria with the Ottomans.

There are Turkic J1 subclades in Syria, Oman, UAE and Saudi Arabia from the Seljuq and Ottomans.

These Turkic J1 subclades don't form identifiable clusters around Arab tribes in the Arabs who carry them.

>>17834355
>, ho has always been a word used to refer to barbarians

Gook. It's both a Chinese surname and was later used for Donghu barbarians

Gui Man chose Hu as his Ducal regale name (like Popes choose a different name with their title different from their personal name)

Gui Man's descendants used the surnames Hu and Chen, from his regnal title (Hu) and his ducal fief (Chen)

Centuries later, the word Hu was applied to refer to Donghu Mongolic barbarians

Just like the word Han 韓 was originally a a Chinese state in the Zhou dynasty and used as a Chinese surname, before Koreans borrowed the name to refe to themselves

Ho Quy Ly explicitly said he was declined from Gui Man (Duke Hu of Chen)
An Duong Vuong from Shu in Sichuan conquered the Red River Delta and then Zhao Tuo conquered An Duong Vuong's Au Lac state.

The Shu royal family Kaiming came from Chu

>vietnamese historical records state that vietnamese origin is in south china

Chinese historical records say that Minyue's population was deported to Jiangsu

>>17834360
The Chu royal family originated from Danyang, Henan in north China where their first capital was.

They were nobles of the Shang dynasty and Zhou dynasty and claimed descent from the yellow emperor.

Chu came from Henan in the north and then conquered Hubei, Hunan, Anhui, Jiangsu and Zhejiang.

The official language of Chu and Yue and Wu was old Chinese. All their records and imscriptions are in old Chinese

>>17834355
>>17834443
Gui Man used Hu as his regnal name in 1046/45 BC while in his Chen state in Henan.

Hu was then used for a Zhou feudal state in Anhui founded sometime before 519 BC and lasting to 496-495 BC when it was conquered by Chu

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%83%A1%E5%9C%8B


The term Hu was first used to refer to Mongolic barbarians in Mongolia in 307 BCE, centuries after it was used as a regnal name and the name of a state in China.

It then referred to Mongolic proples and Central Asians. It was NEVER used for Vietnamese people.

Han people descended from Gui Man used the surname Hu like Hu Jintao.

Hu in Classical Chinese also means how, why, what, or wattle, before it was ever used to refer to barbarians.

>>17834372
>>17834355
The Shiji days that the Han dynasty deported the entire population of Minyue north to the Huai River region in Jiangsu.

Chu royal family cane from Henan in north China.

The Mongols sacked and raped Hanoi after winning the battle.

>>17834368
>>17834372
All Chen families in Song dynasty Fujian traced their ancestry to northern Han in two migrations, during the start of Eastern Jin and during the Tang dynasty.

>Chen Yuanguang (Chinese: 陳元光; pinyin: Chén Yuánguāng; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Tân Goân-kong; 657–711), courtesy name Tingju (Chinese: 廷炬; pinyin: Tíngjù), pseudonym Longhu (龍湖; Lónghú), was a Tang dynasty general and official. He was from Gushi County, Henan. The people of Zhangzhou, Fujian, along with the descendants of immigrants from Zhangzhou to Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia, and Malaysia, all refer to him as the "Sacred Duke, Founder of Zhangzhou" (開漳聖王; Kāi Zhāng shèngwáng; Khai Chiang Sèng-ông).

>According to Min Shu 閩書 (Book of Min) (Quoted from Chung Yoon-Ngan): "During the second year (of the reign) of Yongjia (308AD) the Central Plain was in chaos and the eight clans:- Lin 林, Huang 黃, Chen 陳, Zheng 鄭, Zhan 詹, Qiu 邱, He 何, and Hu 胡, entered Min 閩 (present day Fujian province, China)."

>The province of Fujian - whose aboriginal inhabitants had been deported to the Central Plains by Han Wu Di, was now repopulated by Han Chinese settlers and colonists from the Chinese heartland. The "Eight Great Surnames" were eight noble families who migrated from the Central Plains to Fujian - these were the Hu, He, Qiu, Dan, Zheng, Huang, Chen and Lin clans, who remain there until this very day.

>>17834443
>It's both
the surname doesn't apply here because we know the context of the ho, they are recorded as le in the ming shi lu while dvsktt was written under the le clan themselves clan so we know which was the real one given the shame they brought upon the le name
>Ho Quy Ly explicitly said
yeah go ahead and cite the source

>The Shu royal family Kaiming came from Chu
so another datapoint for the austroasiatic domination of south china, yue and bashu coffins were often found alongside chu in various burial sites

>Chinese historical records say that Minyue's population
don't give a shit and minyue ethnics were a splinter branch of kinh ethnics, chu people were the basal population, also doesn't change the fact that modern min has a vietnamese substrate


>Danyang
it's disputed whether danyang was in henan or hubei, putting that aside, it was recorded that Chu was given a tiny fief that was full of thorny bushes that needed to be cleared out, also paid tribute with thorny arrows
oh look, what a coincidence
楚: Schuessler (2007) proposes an Austroasiatic origin; compare Proto Austroasiatic *ɟrla(ː)ʔ (“thorn”).
>荊: Cognate with Khmer ជ្រាំង (crĕəng, “to bristle”), Khmer ប្រែង (praeng, “bristle”)

literally in the guoyu
>In the past, King Cheng of Zhou held an alliance with the princes in the south of Mount Qishan. The State of Chu was considered to be a barbarian. It was only responsible for placing the bundles of thatch to indicate the position at the alliance meeting, setting up the watchtower, and waiting for the lit fire in the courtyard with the Xianbei, and it could not participate in the alliance.

meanwhile the reality between chu and chinese
> King Zhao personally led at least two major campaigns against Chu and other states and tribes of the middle Yangtze region, initially conquering the lands north of the Yangtze and the Han River valley. Eventually, however, the Zhou forces suffered a crushing defeat, with half of their armed forces as well as King Zhao killed

>While late Warring States and Han texts are inconsistent in their naming of thehigh gods of Chu, all associate them with the sun, fire, or heat: the gods Gao Yang (High Sun-essence), Yan Di(Flame God), and Zhu Rong (Invoking Melter; also known as huozheng, Fire Corrector). Of these, only ZhuRong is attested in pre-Han texts, such as the Zuozhuan. Recent bamboo divination texts from fourth-centuryBCE tombs in the Jiangling
region list three divine ancestors: Lao Tong (Old Boy), Zhu Rong, and a mysteriousfemale by the name of Yu Yin, a loan for Yu Xiong, traditionally believed to be an early tribal leader of theChu people.

>All their records and imscriptions are in old Chinese
cool, vietnamese records and inscriptions were also written in chinese
meanwhile
>Interpreting the Chu Silk Manuscript's brush written Chinese characters is especially difficult. Some of these ancient logograms are illegible and some are missing in lacuna. Others are what Barnard (1981:181) calls "descendantless graphs" unidentified with standard characters, which "may reflect something of the Ch'u (written) "dialect" rather than more general characteristics of pre-Han character structures."

>>17834471
let me know which one these chen clans practiced teeth blackening and tatooing customs abhorrent to your savage people

>>17834443
>The official language of Chu and Yue and Wu was old Chinese
they were bilingual but what was the mother tongue
>Mencius, for instance, ridiculed his Chu opponent, Xu Xing, saying that Xu was merely “a southern barbarian
>Mencius : Teng Wengong I: "Today's southern barbarians are people with strange tongues and do not follow the ways of the ancient kings

btw reminder that without vietnamese chinese would still be eating mongol shit
>In 1414, Yongle and his armies were surrounded by the Mongols, it was firearms with presumably Vietnamese technical features that helped the Ming troops break the siege.

>>17834536
Chu is not an ethnic group retard.

The Chu royal family came from Danyang in Henan, then they conquered multiple other ethnic groups across Hubei, Hunan, Anhui, and then they conquered Jiangsu and Zhejiang from Yue.

People born in Jiangsu like the Han dynasty founder were called Chu people despite having nothing to do with original Chu in Danyang.

The Chu royal family (surname Mi, Xiong) traced it's decent from the Yellow Emperor via Zhuanxu.

>kinh ethnics,

The word Kinh itself is a Chinese loanword and not Austroasiatic

>meanwhile the reality

Zhou states fought each other alk the time, the Zhou king overthrew the Shang dynasty and then fought his own vassals across the north China plain.

The border states like Yan (in the north), Qin (in the west) and Chu (in the south) are all attacked in Zhou texts as adopting barbarian customs and having their habits because they all expanded into barbarian lands.

Most of Chu's area was land conquered from Baiyue peoples after its establishment in Danyang.

Mencius also insults King Wen of Zhou as a "barbarian" from the west when the Zhou royal family themselves cane from the the center of China and descend from the Yellow emperor

Chu and Qin both originated as Zhou states practicing Zhou rituals but then conquered and expanded into barbarian lands.

>>17834536
>>17834545
>>17834711

>>17834536
>>17834545
Kinh people are heavily hybridized with Tai-Kadai people (Zhuang live in the entite area in Guangxi and border provinces of Vietnam)

The Baiyue peoples of Hubei, Hunan, Zhejiang and Fujian were totally different ethnicities.

The baiyue under Chu rule in Hubei and Hunan had nothing to do with Baiyue in Fujian under rule of the Minyue royal family.

>>17834711
>>17834711
>Chu is not an ethnic group retard
of course it is, chu state was multiethnic but the dominant ethnic was the austroasiatic kinh like han is the dominant ethnic of china

>The Chu royal family came from Danyang
they were given a fief in danyang which doesn't tell us anything about their ethnic even if it was in henan

>Kinh itself is a Chinese loanword
no it's not, i literally showed you you mongoloid, the symbol for capital is used today because it's a fitting semantic but the phonetic originates from 荊
>荊: Cognate with Khmer ជ្រាំង (crĕəng, “to bristle”), Khmer ប្រែង (praeng, “bristle”)
>Etymology: "shrub; alternative name of Chu"

>Zhou states fought each other alk the time
in western zhou? yeah no i don't think so, the only campaign that was waged among vassals was the zhou war with chu

>all attacked in Zhou texts as adopting barbarian customs
and yet only chu is excluded from the book of songs, yan is included through shaonan, the noble rank of yan was 侯, qin was 伯 while chu was 子 literally the lowest rank since there's almost zero cases of 男 rank, it's almost as if chu were discriminated because of their non siniticness or something

>Mencius also insults
don't give a shit what mencius said about zhou, his criticism of chu was based on their language ridiculed as southern barbarian tongue

>Chu and Qin both originated as Zhou states
cool now tell me more how this helps uncover the ethnic origin of chu people
>The baiyue under Chu rule in Hubei and Hunan
there was no native baiyue in hunan and hubei
>Bai-yue (“Hundred Yue,” first mentioned in 239 B.C.E.),
baiyue are remnants of yue state after it collapsed and they spread along the coast that's why they're called baiyue

>>17834711
>despite having nothing to do with original Chu in Danyang
you do realise people are allowed to migrate and move from place to place right? xiang yu his nemesis for throne of china also born in jiangsu was literally from chu aristocratic line, the chu capital was relocated multiple times including taihe county anhui relatively close to liu bang's birthplace

oh look
>When the people of Pei first spoke, they all used the word "qi". "Qi" is a Chu dialect. When Emperor Gaozu first ascended the throne, he taught people to say "qi", and later it became a common practice.

>Shusun Tong wore Confucian robes. The prince of Han [Liu Bang] detested them, so Tong changed them and wore the short tunic, in the style of Chu. The prince of Han was pleased.

>He summoned Lady Qi to come near and pointed the four men out to her, saying, "I want to replace the heir apparent, but with those four men upholding him, his wings are now full-grown and we would be hard put to hinder his rise. Empress Lu is now your true master." Lady Qi wept. The emperor said, "Dance a Chu dance for me, and I will sing a Chu song for you.

>Liu Yu, the founder of the Liu Song dynasty, was from Pengcheng, in the heart of the Huai Chu region. He and his half-brother Daolian are explicitly noted as speaking Chu vernacular,

>

the entire liu clan loved chu, it's almost like they were ethnically chu/kinh people or something
>For the next few generations of the Han imperial house, Chu lived on as a culture that had to be self-consciously maintained, the more so as the culture that was actually lived moved farther and farther away from it. Rich rewards were given to those who could sing the classical songs of Chu (known as the Chuci, but not necessarily all the same as the core of the anthology that comes down to us by that name). Zhu Maichen, for example, who had spent decades in impoverishment so deep that his wife abandoned him, won favor with Emperor Wu because he could sing and explicate the old Chu songs.

>Zhu Maichen was eventually appointed governor of Kuaiji and, before he lost everything to intrigue, rose to become one of the nine highest ministers of the empire. 19 Such examples encouraged the ambitious to study and imitate Chu poetry and music. Thus the culture of Chu became a metropolitan fad sustained by imperial nostalgia and sporadic literary discoveries from the princely provinces set up by the Han in the former Chu domains.

>Han established a sub kingdom named Chu near the ancestral burial ground of its first emperor; its capital, Pengcheng (modern Xuzhou, Jiangsu), became a center of Daoist and early Buddhist cult activity. This eastern kingdom, along with the southern kingdom of Changsha, established around the mythic Dongting Lake region in modern Hunan, represented for the Han the spirit of Chu.

>>17834711
>traced it's decent
chu traced their descent the same as vietnamese do, zhurong is the same idea/concept/person as shennong, ie the red emperor, ie the god of agriculture, red in chinese element theory represents the south, the middle yangtze is the proposed origin of rice farming and austroasiatics are proposed to be the first rice farmers, woah what a coincidence

>>17835304
>baiyue are remnants of yue state after it collapsed and they spread along the coast that's why they're called baiyue

Retard, all ethnic groups as far north as southern Anhui and Jiangsu were called Baiyue

Shanyue lived in south Anhui and Jiangsu.

They had nothing to do with the Yue state in Zhejiang

>but the phonetic originates from 荊

No it doesn't

Jing was not a part of the original Chu state in Danyang. Chu conquered Jing and only later did Jing become synonymous with Chu.


Kinh were also not called Kinh anytime before the 10th century AD

Malay people still called Vietnamese as Kuchi people in the 16th century after the name Jiaozhi used in the Han dynasty.

>>17835329
>There are two accounts of Xiang Yu's family background. The first claimed that Xiang Yu was from the House of Mi (羋), the royal family of the Chu state. His ancestors were granted Xiang County (項縣; around present-day Shenqiu County, Henan) as their fief by the king of Chu and had since adopted Xiang as their family name. The other account claimed that Xiang Yu was a descendant of a noble clan from the Lu state and his family had served in the Chu army for generations. Xiang Yu's grandfather, Xiang Yan [zh], was a general who was killed in action while leading Chu forces to resist an invasion by the Qin state in 223 BC.

Henan and the Lu state are both in northern China

>>17835347
Chuci songs were in Old Chinese, totally different from the language of the Baiyue subjects under Chu rule like the Tai "Song of the Yue boatman".

>>17835403
Zhurong has nothing to do with rice farming.

>>17835304
>baiyue are remnants of yue state after it collapsed and they spread along the coast that's why they're called baiyue

Retard, all ethnic groups as far north as southern Anhui and Jiangsu were called Baiyue

Shanyue lived in south Anhui and Jiangsu.

They had nothing to do with the Yue state in Zhejiang

>but the phonetic originates from 荊

No it doesn't

Jing was not a part of the original Chu state in Danyang. Chu conquered Jing and only later did Jing become synonymous with Chu.


Kinh were also not called Kinh anytime before the 10th century AD

Malay people still called Vietnamese as Kuchi people in the 16th century after the name Jiaozhi used in the Han dynasty.

>>17835329
>There are two accounts of Xiang Yu's family background. The first claimed that Xiang Yu was from the House of Mi (羋), the royal family of the Chu state. His ancestors were granted Xiang County (項縣; around present-day Shenqiu County, Henan) as their fief by the king of Chu and had since adopted Xiang as their family name. The other account claimed that Xiang Yu was a descendant of a noble clan from the Lu state and his family had served in the Chu army for generations. Xiang Yu's grandfather, Xiang Yan [zh], was a general who was killed in action while leading Chu forces to resist an invasion by the Qin state in 223 BC.

Henan and the Lu state are both in northern China

>>17835347
Chuci songs were in Old Chinese, totally different from the language of the Baiyue subjects under Chu rule like the Tai "Song of the Yue boatman".

>>17835403
Zhurong has nothing to do with rice farming.

holy shit man this has to be the most mentally ill thread in quite a while, not even the christian schizos can keep up with these guys

>>17835898
>all ethnic groups as far north
yue state had a capital as far north as shandong, like i said said all baiyue were remnants of yue state, it's literally in the name

>Jing was not a part of the original Chu
this is like saying singapore is not part of china therefore cuckaporeans cannot possibly have the same ethnic as people in china , danyang was a FIEF granted to the mi clan you tard and the mi clan were jing people
this sound familiar to a certain language?
>ancient Chu dialect 觀 (OC *koːn, “child; offspring”)
xiong pronounce in vietnamese is hung
>There are, however, no known examples of the main lineage of a territorial state having a shi name.18Some other explanation of Xiong, therefore, must be sought. The most reasonable one is that it was an early Chu leadership title (for the head of state, clan, or both)... however, for most of Chu history its kings had at least two titles, because the northern title "king" (wang) was adopted,
oh look
>Hùng Vương ... is the title given to the ancient Vietnamese rulers of the Hồng Bàng period

>Malay people
they still don't call vietnamese kinh because it's an ethnonym, malays don't refers to chinamen using han

>Shenqiu County, Henan
literally midpoint between huaiyang district in henan and taihe county anhui, both were sites of chu capitals lmao

>Chuci songs
chuci is a translated rendering like the boatman song is you absolute mongoloid
>totally different from the language of the Baiyue
again, chu were austroasiatics, baiyue were austronesians/tais but they were ruled by chu, nothing out of place for the boatman song to be tai

>Zhurong has nothing to do with rice farming
zhurong and shennong are roughly the same thing, zhurong was a firekeeper or something, fire is red ergo red emperor ergo shennong, what a coincidence shennong was from hubei

>>17836359
let's review the facts of this thread
mongols shot some elephants and the elephants decimated vietnamese forces so mongols really didn't do shit but apparently for op that counts as getting 'raped'
mongols whined incessantly that vietnamese never took them seriously
>I have explained all these requirements to you in the past years, yet, after fifteen years of being a vassal, you have never come to my court to pay respect and have never acted upon the rest of the Requirements.
the tran dynasty who these mongols fought were from fujian except fujian people weren't even chinese at the time
these fujian people were a branch of kinh people
kinh people founded chu state and later the han dynasty
the le clan of the ho dynasty ursurped the tran with the le being from the basal chu branch of kinh people

in summary kinh people have totally and completely dominated over china and the various savage races that ruled over china like sinitics and mongols

>>17836359
chinkspammer vs viet wewuzzer

>>17836900
Gook, the Wu state occupied Jiangsu so Yue didn't borde Shandong until the conquest of Wu

Wu's capital was in Suzhou and Yue'a capital was in Shaoxing

Baiyue referred to every single ethnic group from Yunnan to Jiangsu.

It literally means "hundred yue" meaning there were nearly a hundred different Yue ethnic groups.

>this is like saying singapore is not part of china therefore cuckaporeans cannot possibly have the same ethnic as

The name Singapore isn't from Chinese language and no one says it is.

Jing referred to a place in Hubei which was not part of Chu until Chu conquered the Jing people.

Chu claimed the same ancestry as other Zhou noble families.

>Hùng Vương ... is the title given to the ancient Vietnamese rulers of the Hồng Bàng period

Learn to read retard

Xiong=熊

Hung= 雄

>literally midpoint between huaiyang district in henan and taihe county anhui

Both of these locations are in northern China.

Taihe county is north of the Huai River in northern China

>chuci is a translated rendering like the boatman song is you absolute mongoloid

No it isn't, retard

Chuci refers to songs in the Old Chinese language written in Chu. They aren't written in Baiyue languages

Song of the Yue boatman is not one of the Chu Ci. Song of the Yue boatman is an ad hoc phonetic transcription of a Tai language using Chinese characters.


>>17836956
Gook, Fujian was all Han by the time of the late Tang dynasty. There was no one identifying as Baiyue.

>>17836956
The Mongols massacred the stampede survivors and then raped and sacked Hanoi after that.

Cham people under Champa king Che Bong Nga also sacked Hanoi four times

>Po Binasuor apparently managed to unite the Cham lands under his rule and by 1361 was strong enough to attack Đại Việt from the sea. In 1372 he sent a letter to the Hongwu Emperor of Ming China saying that Đại Việt was about to attack his country and demanding that the Ming send protection and war materiel.[2] His Cham forces sacked the Vietnamese capital city of Thăng Long (modern Hanoi) four times, once in 1371, twice in 1377, and once in 1383. They set the city on fire and seized women, jewels, and silks. All Vietnamese books held in the royal palace were lost.[3] The second attack followed the death of king Trần Duệ Tông after his failed assault on Vijaya.[4]

>Le Quý Ly disappeared from politics for two years. Following the victory in Vijaya, Che Bong Nga's army rapidly advanced into the Red River Delta and sacked Hanoi, gaining control of vast territories including Thanh Hoa and Nghe An.[8]

>>17837250
>Yue didn't borde Shandong
and? wu state were austronesians/tais from the same stock as yue commonfolk, they were also baiyue

>Baiyue referred to every single ethnic group
uh yeah along the coast and in the deep south, the interior was absolutely not baiyue, hunan and hubei were kinh ethnics

>It literally means
baiyue does not mean literally one hundred yue groups, it was a catchall term for the various splinter groups

>Learn to read retard
you cannot be this retarded
京 and 荊 aren't the same either
it's the sound and context that matter

>Singapore isn't from Chinese language
what? who cares what the name is, the point is singapore is not part of china so apparently that means lee kwan yew wasn't ethnically han, what kind of mongoloid logic is that

>Jing referred to a place
uh yeah a place where the mi clan originated, for the billionth time chu was a fief that was given to them by the zhou, they did not literally come from danyang because it was considered a random far away shithole only fit for barbarians so the zhou let them have it

>Both of these locations are in northern China.
chu people were considered monkeys wherever in china they were from
>Someone said to King Xiang: "Guanzhong is surrounded by mountains and rivers, and the land is fertile. You can use it as a base to dominate the world." King Xiang saw that the Qin palaces were all burned and destroyed, and he wanted to return to the east. He said: "If you don't return to your hometown when you are rich and powerful, it's like wearing embroidered clothes and walking at night. Who knows?" The person who said said: "People say that the people of Chu are monkeys wearing a crown, and it's true

reminder liu clan born 600 years after liu bang still spoke chu
>Liu Yu, the founder of the Liu Song dynasty, was from Pengcheng, in the heart of the Huai Chu region. He and his half-brother Daolian are explicitly noted as speaking Chu vernacular,

>>17837250
>aren't written in Baiyue languages
uh yeah obviously because chu language was vietnamese, you do realise chuci is littered with non sinitic chu words right? it also had morpheme inversion ie yazhou following vietnamese grammar is chau a
>boatman is an ad hoc phonetic transcription
don't give a shit, must have remembered wrong

>>There was no one identifying as Baiyue.
doesn't matter what they identified as, the point is ethnically they were non sinitic
闽 literally has an insect radical, min people were detested by the chinese, why do you think the tran even came to vietnam in the first place, people in south china have always been hated that's why all the early emigrants were cantonese, min etc

>Cham people
genocided practically into extinction, nuff said

>>17837898
emigrants to us, singapore etc

>>17837896
>hunan and hubei were kinh ethnics

Tujia, Yao and Miao all live in those provinces retard.

京 and 荊 are completely different tones in Min

>uh yeah a place where the mi clan originated, for the billionth time

None of the Zhou texts say they were from Jing.


>Someone said to King Xiang: "Guanzhong is surrounded by mountains and rivers, and the land is fertile. You can use it as a base to dominate the world." King Xiang saw that the Qin palaces were all burned and destroyed, and he wanted to return to the east. He said: "If you don't return to your hometown when you are rich and powerful, it's like wearing embroidered clothes and walking at night. Who knows?" The person who said said: "People say that the people of Chu are monkeys wearing a crown, and it's true

The person said this to Chu noble Xiang Yu, implying the Baiyue people under Chu rule were a different ethnicity from Chu nobles like Xiang Yu, and told Xiang Yu to move to Guanzhong in Shaanxi.

>闽 literally has an insect radical, min people were detested by the chinese,

Min was named after Minyue, Han people kept the old name for the region.

>uh yeah obviously because chu language was vietnamese,

Chuci is in Old Chinese and completely different from Vietnamese written in Chu Nom.

Vietnamese literate only in Chu Nom cannot read Chuci.

>>17829562
>Han, Khitan and Tanguts were officials
Muslims, Khitan, and Tanguts were officials in Central Asia. Han Chinese slaves were officials working on the farms of Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara.

>Dali
It was part of China for thousands of years until the Han were raped. It was ruled by Bai but the population was majority Han Chinese until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>The same author (I, pp. 162, 227) depicts Čaḡatai as extremely zealous in enforcing Mongol customary law, the yasa; the Muslims especially suffered, since various prescriptions of the Šarīʿa, such as those for ritual ablution or for the slaughter of animals, ran counter to Mongol practice.
These non-Muslim Khans still appointed Muslims and the Chagatai Khanate became Muslim very quickly.

>Iraq was all Arab
Iraq had a larger non-Muslims population until forced conversions and non-Muslim migration out of Iraq from the 13th-21st centuries. Han were not governors or mayor or minister in Iraq or any Arab region. Arabs were ministers in China.

>Not in the Chagatai Khanate or Golden horde
That's why I listed multiple to show Muslims administrators, governors, mayors, officials, and regents were appointed by non-Muslims Khans across Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East.

>He was a Mamluk Emir and his name isn't even Arab
He was ethnically Arab and Ata Malik is an Arab name.

>That was the Sharif of Mecca which existed before the Ottomans
The Ottomans retained it, retard.

>Han were governors in Samarqand and Bukhara
That's called a mayor, but there no were Han mayors in Samarqand, Bukhara, or any other city in Central Asia. In fact the Han were never appointed as mayors of any city in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East. There were also no Han governors in Central Asia, China, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East. Mongols knew the Han were worthless scum.

Muslim governors in China like Sayyid Ajall and Ahmad Fanakati were ruling over Han Chinese slaves.

>>17838897
Han, Khitan and Tanguts were officials and Muslims weren their slaves and forbidden to do anything without their permission.

The Khitans were non-Muslims who violently conquered Muslim Central Asia and founded Western Liao

>It was part of China for thousands of years

Han dynasty China conquered the Bai and Yi in the Dian kingdom of Yunnan.

Later the Yi rebelled and gained independence as Nanzhao in the Tang dynasty, and then the Dali kingdom was founded by the Duan family ruling over the Bai.

>the Chagatai Khanate became Muslim very quickly

It didn't become Muslim until over a century after its foundation

>Iraq had a larger non-Muslims population until forced conversions and non-Muslim migration out of Iraq from the 13th-21st centuries. Han were not governors or mayor or minister in Iraq or any Arab region. Arabs were ministers in China.

Iraq had a large non-Muslim Assyrian population after Guo Kan and Kitbuqa raped and killed 2 million Arab Sunnis in 1258, making Assyrians the majority again.

Just like Iranian Shia militias are raping and killing Sunni Arabs in Iraq today.

Arabs were never governors or ministers in China.

Janbirdi is not an Arab name dumb sandnigger. Mamluk Emirs were all Kipchak Turk and Circassians.

Muslims were never appointed as mayor's or governors by any of the non-Muslim Golden Horde and Chagatai Khans.

Shi Tianlin executed Muslims while he was military judge in the Golden horde..

Ahmad Fanakati was not a governor, his
entire family was executed.

Sayyid Ajjal never governed any Han provinces

>>17838897
>>17838972
Assyrian Christians told Kublai Khan to persecute and kill Muslims and he implemented their orders.

Assyrian Christians and Syrian Christians were spared in Iraq and Syria while Sunni Arabs were raped and massacred.

>Han, Khitan and Tanguts were officials
Muslims, Khitan, and Tanguts were officials in Central Asia. Han Chinese slaves were officials working on the farms of Muslims in Samarqand and Bukhara. There were Muslim governors, mayors, and ministers in China, but not a single Han in those positions in Iraq, Central Asia, Eastern Europe, or China.

>The Khitans were non-Muslims who violently conquered Muslim Central Asia and founded Western Liao
They only conquered part of Central Asia. Most of Central Asia was under Ghaznavid, Ghorid, Samanid, Seljuk, and Khwarazmian rule.

>It didn't become Muslim until over a century after its foundation
Do you think everyone is as stupid and worthless as you, Chinkspammer? Ghiyas-ud-din was a Muslim Khan of the Chagatai Khanate in 1266 and the Mongol breakup didn't happen until 1264.

>Arabs were never governors or ministers in China.
The Arab Pu Shougeng was a powerful minister in Yuan Dynasty ruled China. There was no Han equivalent to him in Iraq or any Arab region.

>Janbirdi
His tribal name is al-Ghazāli he was an Arab.

>Ahmad Fanakati was not a governor
He was a minister in the highest level of the Yuan Dynasty government. Han were his slaves.

>Sayyid Ajjal never governed any Han provinces
He governed Han-majority Yunnan. It was part of China for thousands of years until the Han were raped. It was ruled by Bai but the population was majority Han Chinese until the Mongols raped the Han Chinese.

>>17839015
>Ghiyas-ud-din was a Muslim Khan of the Chagatai Khanate

It didn't becomethe state religion or permanent religion of the royal family until 1333 dumb sandnigger

Berke also didn't make Islan the state religion of the golden horde,, there were still non-Muslim khans after him too.

>>17839015
>They only conquered part of Central Asia. Most of Central Asia was under Ghaznavid, Ghorid, Samanid, Seljuk,

These were all before the Khitan invaded sandnigger.

The Khitans defeated the Seljuqs at the battle of Qatwan and annexed Muslim lands.

>Pu Shougeng

Not an Arab, he was from Iran and he was already Song dynasty official fir maritime trade in Quanzhou and didn't come to China with the Mongols.

He defected to the Yuan from the Song after the Yuan reached Fujian

And Pu Shougeng's family were massacred in the Ispah rebellion by Han governor of Fujian, Chen Youding, when the Yuan dynasty ordered all Muslims to be executed.

>>17839015
>al-Ghazāli

Non-Arabs use this nisba sandnigger. The Shafi'i scholar al-Ghazali was Persian

>He was a minister in the highest level of

He was finance minister and embezzled money and his family was executed

>Han-majority Yunnan.

Sayyid Ajjal built the first Confucian temple in Yunnan because there were no Han civilian population there before the Yuan

Yunnan became Han majority only after Sayyid Ajjal's death, during the Ming dynasty.

https://www.yunnanexploration.com/ming-dynasty-of-yunnan-history.html

>Han Migration: The Ming Dynasty encouraged large-scale Han Chinese migration into Yunnan. Approximately 90,000 soldiers and their families were settled in the region, promoting agricultural production and economic development. This influx contributed to the Han Chinese population becoming the dominant majority in Yunnan by the end of the Ming Dynasty.

http://www.gutenberg-e.org/yang/chapter5.html

>As the state began sending soldiers and their families, predominantly Han Chinese, to Yunnan, the Ming military presence there became part of a project of colonization. Soldiers were joined by land-hungry farmers, exiled officials, and profit-driven merchants so that, by the end of the Ming period, the Han Chinese had become the largest ethnic population in Yunnan

>>17839037
>These were all before the Khitan
The Khitans were losing against the Muslim states I mentioned for centuries, retard.

>The Khitans defeated the Seljuqs at the battle of Qatwan and annexed Muslim lands.
Muslims and Khitans defeats the Seljuks at the battle of Qatwan. The Seljuks were focused on the Middle East. They split up the territories and Central Asia was still ruled by Muslim states.

>Not an Arab, he was from Iran and he was already Song dynasty official fir maritime trade in Quanzhou and didn't come to China with the Mongols.
He was not from Iran, he was an Arab, and his family name is in Arabic.

>Ispah rebellion
Predominantly by Shia Muslims who were massacred, but they still lived in the Yuan dynasty afterwards.

>>17839015
>>17839033
Golden Horde only became Muslim in 1313 upon Özbeg Khan's succession.

Chagatai Khanate became Muslim only in 1333

Berke and Ghiyas didn't make Islam the state religion and they had non-Muslim successors.

The Ilkhan Oljeitu converted to Shia and wanted to vandalise the graves of Arab Rashidun caliphs

>>17839052
>his family name is in Arabic.

Were these Arabs too sandnigger?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Lu%27lu%27a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Muslim

>>17839033
It matters that the Mongol Khans were Muslims at such an early point. Chagatai, Ilkhanate, and Golden Horde Khans becoming Muslim eventually resulted in the rest of the Mongols becoming Muslim.

>>17839675
Tarmashirin and Özbeg Khan only made Islam the state religion after a violently power struggle with Tengrist and Christian Nestorian Mongol Borjigin princes

Chagatai Christian and Tengrist princes fought against Tarmashirin

And one of Tarmashirin's first act after converting was attacking the Muslim Delhi Sultanate in India.

The Ilkhanate continued sacking Aleppo and Damascus in their wars with the Mamluks after converting, the Ilkhanate still called upon the Georgian and Armenian Christians to attack Mamluk Syria.

Mongols in Mongolia did not convert to Islam.

>>17839057
He was Arab.

>The most likely scenario is that his family was of South Arabian[2]

>>17839730
>The surname Pu was likely derived from Arabic Abū (father). Pu's family background is unknown. According to one theory, his family came from Central Asia to Sichuan during the early Song and later emigrated to Quanzhou. According to another, they arrived in the Southern Song from Champa.[2] The most likely scenario is that his family was of South Arabian[2] or Central Asian Persian origin and settled in Guangzhou.[3]

>>17839745
He was Sunni making him Arab not Persian.

>>17839773
Many Persians Sunnis before the Safavids. Isfahan was Sunni Shafi'i majority.

>>17839695
>Mongols in Mongolia did not convert to Islam.
Some did including high-ranking Mongols

>>17839052
>Buraq Hajib, also spelt Baraq Hajib (died 1234),[1] was a Khitan who founded the Qutlugh-Khanid dynasty in the southern Persian province of Kirman the early 13th century after the conquest of the sinicised Qara Khitai (Western Liao dynasty) by the Mongol Empire. The dynasty founded by Buraq Hajib ended in the 14th century.[2]