The "free" city of Danzig was under Polish protection, according to the Treaty of Versailles
The Danzig government, Danzig population, and criminal German government were therefore violating international law and had to be put down, like a mad dog.
Now there is no Danzig, only Gdansk. Thus is the wrath of the Lord against nations who violate international law.

You can't kill the Lord's Sons and expect nothing to happen to you, and it doesn't matter in what country you are.

>>17820158 (OP)
Danzig did not violate any of the stipulations of Versailles or the subsequent league treaties while Poland violated the 1926 provision regarding the Westerplatte Garrison thus constituting an invasion and thus meaning League Nations are obligated to declare war on Poland, not only did Britian and France abandon Danzig and therefore violate the league treaty and the treaty of versailles but Germany was the one finally put an end to Polish expansionism and secured Danzig against Polish aggression honoring treaties they themselves scoffed at while Britain and France abandoned treaties they ostensibly claimed were sacred oaths.

We judge a tree by its fruits.
Berlin is majority German and run by Germans
The English in London are extinct.
The French in Paris are extinct.

>>17820275
>Westerplatte Garrison

>These provisions aimed to balance Poland's need for a transit depot with maintaining the Free City's status and avoiding the militarization of the area. However, Poland later illegally fortified the area and increased the garrison size before the outbreak of World War II.

Huh, never knew this.

>>17820275
>Berlin is majority German and run by Germans
my brother in kike berlin is 1/3 russians and 1/3 turks

>>17820275

Danzig broke the treaty within months of being established. It did already in 1920 when Danzig docker's strike, openly incited and supported by Danzig authorities, blocked the unloading of military supplies to the Polish army.

Also, Poland was allowed to keep a military personnel on Westerplatte, as this was an extraterritorial area. Neither German nor Danziger authorities ever questioned it. Poland fortified the peninsula in late 1930s, when the tensions around Danzig rose again.

>>17820425
Idk its such a non-argument. Scraping the barrel.

Danzig was reinforced twice.

First was in 1933, in which Poland sent an additional 100 men to Westerplatte in Danzig. The League of Nations immediately reprimanded Poland for this, and Poland withdrew the additional men within a couple of days later. Calling something that happened in 1933 for a couple of days as a justifictation for 1939 invasion is just nonsensical to any rational person.

The second time was in 1939 when Westerplatte was again reinforced with an additional 100 men, but this was in response to German re-armament and aggressive stance against Poland.
It just becomes an absurd debate as to why Poland must restrict themselves to what Versailles stipulation on the amount of men allowed in Westerplatte, when Germany no longer restricted themselves to what Versailles stipulated in terms of armament.
Calling the additional 100 men in Polish Westerplatte an "invasion" of Danzig is also such blatant obvious propaganda wording, it literally does more harm than good when it's just going to cause frustration to anyone who hears it being labeled an "invasion".

>>17820611
>The second time was in 1939 when Westerplatte was again reinforced with an additional 100 men, but this was in response to German re-armament and aggressive stance against Poland.
Poland mobilized against Germany first.

>>17820616
Poland was quite literally ordered by Britain not to mobilize, as to ease tension and avoid provoking a German attack.
Poland did not enter general mobilization until less than 48 hours before the German invasion happened.

Meanwhile Germany had been mobilized since 1938.

>>17820445
The Dock Worker strike did not break the treaty. Danzig was a soveriegn country and was not beholden to the Polish military, please show us the article in Versailles or the League of Nations article from 1920 where they cover the year's events stating this violation occurred.
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>Poland was allowed to keep military personnel on the Westerplatte
no one said they werent.
>neither questioned it
except in early 1934 and late 1939 when they questioned it because Poland had violated the stipulation which was no more than 80 men and 8 officers.
Poland fortifying it was also in violation of the League.
Furthermore, smuggling soldiers and heavy weapons into the Danzig post office is not in the spirit of the League.
>>17820611
>additional 100 men
nope, they captured more than 180 men when Danzig was taken.
>league immediately reprimanded Poland
nope. Those Polish soldiers had to be fought, encircled, and some of them killed before they gave up their positions in the Westerplatte and Danzig Postal office.
>b-b-but Germany
so what? Poland was in violation of the league. If Poland had merely treated with Germany as an equal instead of being a slave to Britain the entire war could have been avoided.
>Germany no longer restricted themselves
Germany didnt think it was appropriate to obey Versailles after they had been invaded by France, and France and Britain never obeyed Versailles themselves.
Germany formally withdrew from the League of Nations while Poland did not.

>>17820627
Poland still mobilized against Germany first.
Poland began their mobilization three weeks before the Germans even set foot in Poland.
>Germany had been mobilized since 1938
LOL
You didnt know Germany never mobilized until AFTER they invaded Poland?????
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Why do you post in these threads?

>>17822029
>they invaded Poland without mobilization

Poland invaded Danzig.
You will NEVER be able to refute this.

>>17822033
>mobilization is when you have an army
mobilization is a specific term for shifting to a war economy and the activation and expansion of military personnel on a nation-wide basis.

>>17822169
You havent taken your meds today anon, you know how you become when you havent.
You start spamming the ??????????????? and write in block letters, and just generally incoherent.

>>17822027
>nope, they captured more than 180 men when Danzig was taken.
The original garrison was 88 men.
Then they reinforced it with an additional 100 men.

>nope. Those Polish soldiers had to be fought, encircled, and some of them killed before they gave up their positions
They were encircled and killed in 1933?
And Yes, the LoN forced Poland to withdraw the additional men that was added in 1933, which Poland immediately complied to do.

>so what? Poland was in violation of the league.
So was Germany.
Also how is an extra 100 men above the treaty limit porportionate to Gernany raising 3 million men above the treaty limit?
Why must Poland restrict itself to Versailles when Germany did not?

>If Poland had merely treated with Germany as an equal instead of being a slave to Britain the entire war could have been avoided.
Poland told Germany to fuck off before Britain was involved. Germany approached Poland in January. Britain did not give her guarantees until the last day in March, which came very suddenly to Poland as there had been no previous talks.

>Germany didnt think it was appropriate to obey Versailles after they had been invaded by France, and France and Britain never obeyed Versailles themselves.
And Germany violated Versailles even before that by making secret manufacturing deals with the Soviets to produce military equiptment there, and also by refusing to pay the war reparation, which is what motivated the French occupation.

>Germany formally withdrew from the League of Nations while Poland did not.
Is this supposed to be an argument?
It's also quite absurd that Germany was disputing a LoN city (Poland did not technically own Danzig, LoN did), while not being part of LoN.

>>17820275
>Berlin is majority German and run by Germans
... who's going to tell him?

>>17822027
>The Dock Worker strike did not break the treaty.
It wasnt a strike. It was a fully coordinated trade war together with Germany against Poland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Polish_customs_war

Not sure if it violated any treaty, but it clearly set the bar for German-Polish relations.
Germany was attempting to economically strangle Poland as it was still recovering from beating back the Soviet invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War

>>17822298
take your meds.
>>17822329
>they reinforced it with an additional 100
Then why did the Germans bag more than 188 men?
>they were encircled and killed in 1933
no, they were encircled and killed in 1939, I dont really know why you bring up Poland's first invasion of Danzig when it was the second one that kicked off the war.
>so was Germany
nope, Germany did not violate The League as Germany had already withdrawn from The League.
Now why would you say this? You either did know Germany had withdrawn or you're just outright lying.
Which is it?
>Versailles
The Leage of Nations did not addendum Versailles, they made a provision completely independent of Versailles in 1925 regarding the Westerplatte and its limitations for Poland.
>why must Poland restrict itself
Poland was still a member of The League, even if Germany was a member of The League this argument would at its strongest only amount to "well you did it first".
Which you personally have said isnt a strong argument because I have brought it up before regarding Germany and Versailles as Britain and France violated Versailles when they not only did not demilitarize but expanded their armed forces and even invaded Germany in the 1920s.
>Poland told Germany to fuck off
uh no, they wanted to get rid of Danzig and after Pilsudski died the Poles had a brief moment of clarity where they wanted to Normalize with Germany, Britain saw this and immediately began casting mass delusion spells on the tiny Polish minds and making them feel like they were apart of the Anglo-sphere.
>British guarantees
I dont know what this has to do with the British diplomatic attache in Poland.
>Germany violated Versailles
So what? Germany's relations with the Soviets came after the British and French refused to demilitarize.
Versailles was also inflicted upon Germany whereas Poland willingly signed up for The League, no matter how you look at it Germany violated less and Poland violated more.

>>17820275
I mean it was violated for what? 2 days? Then immediately returned to its normal garrison size and Poland also apologized for doing it...why did Poland need to be invaded again?

>>17822329
>Is this supposed to be an argument?
Yeah, fucktard, if you withdraw from a mutual agreement you are no longer bound by the stipulations of that agreement.
Poland never withdrew from The League of Nations.
Germany did.
Poland's membership is a standing policy they would respect The League's stipulations, they completely ignored them.
>LoN owned Danzig
no, Danzig owned Danzig, it was a sovereign City State that was under the protection of The League.

>>17822340
Who's the mayor of Berlin?
>>17822348
It sounds like Poland was justified in wanting to get rid of Danzig and Britain was just saddling them with it to make them a fall guy for British ambitions.

Hitler was the first German leader to attempt a rapprochement with Poland and the first German leader to officially recognize the Polish state since 1795.
Poland should have told the UK to kys and aligned themselves with Germany.
Poland has always been a satellite of Great Powers, between Germany, Russia, formerly Austria-Hungary, and Sweden - Germany is the one they should have appealed to.
Poland's obedience to the UK is maybe one of the most retarded and backward political moves in the modern world.

>>17822521
2 days? Poland's troops in Danzig were literally captured by German soldiers lmao.
They never withdrew them, there was no immediately return to its normal garrison size.
The Germans had to fight through 250-500 Poles who had invaded their way into Danzig sometime before German and Danzigen forces engaged them.

It was a special military operation Slavs are so famous for :)
except this time it didnt work.

>>17822545
So what right did Germany have to intervene in Danzig? They left the LoN so they couldn't be part of the resolution

>>17822518
>Then why did the Germans bag more than 188 men?
Because it was originally 88 men, and then reinforced with 100 men.

>no, they were encircled and killed in 1939, I dont really know why you bring up Poland's first invasion of Danzig when it was the second one that kicked off the war.
It was the first one in 1933 you were responding to when you quoted my text. Go back and look.

>nope, Germany did not violate The League as Germany had already withdrawn from The League.
So why does Germany care if LoN is violated if Germany never subscribed to the LoN in the first place?
Do you not see the absurdity in your rationale?
Germany can effectively break any rule of LoN by merely excusing themselves from it, but not Poland.

>this argument would at its strongest only amount to "well you did it first".
That's kinda the argument I am making.
Or rather, that both Germany and Poland breached breached their respective stipulations.
Tho it's a bit of an insane disporportion to compared Germanys raising 3 million soldiers, to Poland raising 100 soldiers. Any reasonable person will immediately see this fact, and you really just come off as desperate in your argument.

>as Britain and France violated Versailles when they not only did not demilitarize but expanded their armed forces
Eh no.
You are both correct and wrong.
They did not demilitarize to the extend that Versailles was envisioned (tho the treaty never actually specify to what level demilitarization should be).
They did greatly demilitarize their armed forces tho. A big reason for Chamberlains appeasement policy was specifically to buy time to re-arm Britain. There had been overwhelming defense cuts during the interwar period in Britain, compared to pre-ww1.

But again, Germany shares their own burden for not honoring Versailles, as they made agreement with the Soviets to manufacture German weapons in the USSR specifically to bypass Versailles restrictions, and disguise bombers planes into mail planes

>>17820275
>Berlin is majority German and run by Germans
>The English in London are extinct.
>The French in Paris are extinct.
Just clean your room, ok Timmy? Your mom keeps complaining about the smell from the basement. I know you will never call me dad, but if you dont get your act straight, i will have to make you respect my authority as a man of the house.

>>17822524
>Yeah, fucktard, if you withdraw from a mutual agreement you are no longer bound by the stipulations of that agreement.
Still doesnt answer the question; why should Poland restrict itself when Germany doesnt?

>Poland's membership is a standing policy they would respect The League's stipulations, they completely ignored them.
But why would Germany care about respecting LoN policies if they dont want to subscribe to the LoN? It's like having the cake and eat it.
This is just a mockingly absurd and even comical debate.
Poland could be all means be reprimanded for breaking LoN, but not by Germany you silly goose.

>no, Danzig owned Danzig, it was a sovereign City State that was under the protection of The League.
Technically LoN had the final say in the Danzig question. Neither Germany nor Poland nor Danzig did. Even if Danzig ruled themselves, LoN still ruled over its autonomy. The LoN high commisionare of Danzig could effectively veto any decision regarding the city.

>>17820158 (OP)
Share of babies that now have at least one foreign-born parent:

1. City of London 84%
2. Brent 84%
3. Newham 82%
4. Harrow 82%
5. Ealing 81%
6. Westminster 80%
7. Hounslow 79%
8. Luton 79%
9. Slough 78%
10. Barking and Dagenham 77%

>>17822894
It was necessary England should die so Poland could survive

>>17822537
>It sounds like Poland was justified in wanting to get rid of Danzig and Britain was just saddling them with it to make them a fall guy for British ambitions.
Except Poland rejected German demands in January, which was long before Britain even involved themselves in the escalation.
And Britain only involved themselves after German troops had entered Prague on March 15, which led to Britain giving guarantees to Poland (something Poland never asked for).

>Poland should have told the UK to kys and aligned themselves with Germany.
Poland had 3 choices.
1. Align with the Soviet Union
2. Align with Germany
3. Dont align with any of your ambitious rivals that seeks to undermine your sovreignty and re-draw your borders or attempting to pull you into their ambitions.

Poland saw what happened to Czechoslovakia and decided not to roll with Hitlers "I just want..." game and risk the same fate if they kept complying.

>Poland has always been a satellite of Great Powers, between Germany, Russia, formerly Austria-Hungary, and Sweden
You know that there was a time when Prussia was a Polish fief, and Poland had conquered Moscow, and the entire Habsburg empire relied on Poland coming to their aid.

>Poland's obedience to the UK is maybe one of the most retarded and backward political moves in the modern world.
Hitler attacking a country with a formal military alliance with two superpowers was retarded.
The equivalent would be if Putin attacked a NATO member, and then get shocked when USA decides to honor their treaty.

>>17820158 (OP)
hmmm

>>17822624
Germany said they would defend Danzig as if it were a German city.
>what right
What does this even mean? There are no "rights" here. There are diplomatic norms and Germany violated the fewest diplomatic norms of any of the major powers.
>>17822828
>then reinforced with 100
Yet they grabbed more than 188 men, meaning it was reinforced by more than just 100 men.
>in the first one
irrelevant and you are pivoting to that one because you tried to dishonestly pose the first one as the one people are hung up on, when you know everyone is pointing out it was the second violation by Poland that is in question.
Why even bring up the first Polish violation? To establish Poland had a history as a belligerent? We know, they invaded every one of their neighbors from 1919 to 1939.
literally not a single country bordering Poland was spared Polish soldiers.
>why does Germany care
Germany cares about Germans in Danzig, a German city.
>never subscribed
They did, they left, but they made it clear they saw Danzig as apart of their greater nation even if politically independent.
>Germany can effectively break any rule
Well Germany didnt break those rules and Germany withdrew from the League while Poland didnt.
Poland accepted the stipulations of the league and therefore the consequences.
Poland was a belligerent aggressive power.
>both Germany and Poland
except Poland did it first and Poland did it more often, this is very relevant as it sets a precedent that if Poland is going to treat treaties as scraps of paper, why should anyone treat Poland as anything but scraps of a country?
>its disproportionate
This applied to everyone in the war who escalated, such as Britain, France, and the United States.
>raising 100 soldiers
no one said this.
Poland raised 2.5 million.
I personally dont see 3m soldiers are vastly disproportionate to 2.5m soldiers.
>the treaty never actually specify
actually it does, it states specifically a level which is consistent with domestic policing.

>>17822828
Battleships, tanks, heavy bombers, offensive long range aircraft, these are not consistent with domestic security.
>greatly demilitarize
No, they demobilized, they did not demilitarize.
>appeasement
Appeasement was never appeasing, it was antagonistic.
Who is Britain to insert themselves into German-Czech or German-Austrian or German-Polish affairs?
>defense cuts
because Britain was bankrupted by the war, they had shipped immense wealth to Russia, ammunition too, and then their remaining wealth went to the United States.
>Germany didnt honor Versailles
They actually did, up until Britain and France both abrogated the treaty by breaking it.
>specifically to bypass Versailles
so Germany's violation of Versailles was that they didnt actually violate Versailles lol

>>17822837
Who is the target audience this post for?
>>17822852
>didnt answer the question
Its an incoherent question.
Germany, left the League of Nations, therefore they legitimately went through the legal processes necessary to validate their actions and policies on Danzig.
Poland did no such thing.
Germany DID restrict itself, if they were like Poland they would not even pay lip service to the legitimate processes, they would just invade like Poland did in Danzig, and Zaolzie, and Lithuania, and Ukraine.
>why would Germany care
Germany cared about Danzig.
No one said Germany had some sacred oath to the League of Nations, Germany did not feel the League was serving its interests, so they withdrew. They conducted their own foreign policy and they made it clear they were going treat Danzig as apart of their broader National Body even if it was a politically independent entity.
>not by Germany
its good Germany wasnt reprimanding them in the League then.
>The League had the final say
And the League didnt act, the defact heads of the League, US, Britain and France had been using the League as a tool of foreign policy to serve their own interests.

I am not saying Woe is Danzig Woe is the League.
I am saying there is no moral or legal case that can be brought against Germany by anyone in the League.

>>17822937
>before Britain involved themselves
Britain and France involved themselves in 1921 and only increased their involvement as Germany reconstituted itself.
>Britain gave unasked for guarantees
This is an important point because it demonstrates Britain was the one putting themselves into a position to justify escalation.
>Poland had 3 choices
The alignment with Germany, according to Hitler's own words, consistent over the 6 years he treated with Poland, would have seen a special relationship with Germany wherein German soldiers would be available to defend the Polish frontiers and German industry could import to Poland and vice versa with no tariffs, treating Poland and Germany as a unified military and integrated economy. not totally dissimilar to Poland and Germany today, which to the chagrin of many Germans benefits Poland greatly.
>Poland saw what happened
What happened?
Hacha saw his country reduced by a third then invaded, he left for Berlin that very day asking Hitler to join the Reich.
>I just want
Hitler, strictly speaking, never asked for much.
>Poland stronk
When it had Germans and Balts to call upon, which they could have had if they didnt alienate them at the behest of the French and British.
>Hitler attacking a country that attacked part of the German national body was retarded
It was self defense.

The equivalent would be if Finland invaded Russia with 200 special forces and then Russia retaliates by throwing them out and invading Finland back, as the US waves a bloody shirt and presses the First through Fifth Strike buttons.
The retard is Finland and the chief belligerent the US, Russia is only reacting.

>>17822837
>Just clean your room, ok Timmy? Your mom keeps complaining about the smell from the basement. I know you will never call me dad, but if you dont get your act straight, i will have to make you respect my authority as a man of the house.