What is wrong with Germans?

This is despicable on a very profound level.

>>17821142 (OP)
>What is wrong with Germans?
They didn't finish the job.

They knew what would happen if they lost and knew it was better to fight to the death.

>>17821149
They actually stuck to that concept better than Japan did.

>>17821142 (OP)
>teenagers have never fought in wars

>>17821142 (OP)
If London was surrounded by the Russians (contrived hypothetical I know) would English kids fight or would they just accept death? I think they would fight

>>17821191
They would pray to allah for peace

Hitler was demented and post 1942 his goal was to exact punishment on Germans for not winning for him and he genuinely wanted to kill as many kids as possible

>>17821234
I mean, the guy worked extremely hard for half of his life to make Germany great and even risked his life in WW1.
I can kinda see his point. Germans didn't fight as hard as they could. The Russians were willing to sacrifice so much more.

>>17821212
Kek but I meant London not Londonistan. Two different cities in my mind

>>17821191
>would English kids fight or would they just accept death?
Im not a tankie, but this is such propaganda bias. Living in 1945-1990 DDR did not equal death you moron. It was mostly business as usual for the average German, and many Germans today are even nostalgic about the DDR era because it had a lot of benefits.

I think most of those children who were drafted would have prefered to take their chances and live in DDR than experience the horror and death in a fight at an impossible battle in a war long lost. A government has a responsibility to sue for peace when it can no longer protect its citizens. Thats what Finland did when her lines were broken in 1944, thats what Italy, Romania and Hungary did too.
And thats what Germany did in 1918, for which the NSDAP gave them a lot of shit for doing the right thing and exit the war before the country and the civilians could be ravaged.

>>17821286
This is a misconception, the DDR was the central region of Germany where Allied and Soviet troops met each other. Truman withdrew Allied troops to create a buffer zone between the West and the Slavic Empire of the East, that became the DDR. Berlin was also rebuilt and repopulated after the war as it was partially under Western administration and surveillance.
The former Eastern regions of Germany were all eradicated by the Soviets.

>>17821296
>This is a misconception, the DDR was the central region of Germany where Allied and Soviet troops met each other.

DDR was the Deutsche Demokratische Republik.
The Soviet-aligned German state up until 1990
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

Not sure wtf you were on about but a common misconception is that /pol/fag tourists like yourself arent insufferably autistic.

>>17821286
Germany had no reason to surrender to French hegemony in 1918, because while it's true they were depleted, the French were also depleted and even more ravaged as the war had been exclusively fought on French soil. Plus Germany's natural defenses would have made a French invasion of Germany quite difficult.
The situation in 1945 was very different, as it's true Germany had decisively lost the war, any surrender to Russia would have legitimized the Russian eradication of German territories. German generals in the West did surrender in large numbers which is why Western forces were able to sweep across Europe so quickly while the meatgrinder of war was still occurring in the East. The German leadership was also going behind Hitler's back to negotiate a surrender to the British, but this couldn't be achieved as Britain was still formally allied to Russia. In theory if the British had broken off their pact with Russia then Germany could have surrendered to Britain, which would have obviously been the preferable outcome to Germans.

>>17821303
East Germany is what it's been called after 1945 because the formally Eastern German territories were eradicated. The old name for the region is Mitteldeutschland

>>17821286
>Living in 1945-1990 DDR did not equal death you moron.

There are huge cultural and economic problems even today due to East Germany, but I think he was referring to the immediate aftermath of WW2. i.e. mass rapes, starvation, occupation and widespread ethnic cleansing of Germans in Eastern Europe.

>>17821307
How is any of this even relevant to the original point I was making?

>>17821318
Because you're conflating how Central Germans were treated after the war to how Eastern Germans were treated. Here is a map that explains the difference

>>17821335
Living in post-war DDR still did not equal certain death for the children, which is what the post was insinuating with the "fight or just accept death".

I think most of those children would have chosen surrendering if they knew the full picture, rather than being thrown into the meatgrinder because the NSDAP wanted everyone to go down with the ship, because a world without them wasnt a world worth living in.

Finns were also expelled from Karelia but surrendering in time was still the best option for the civilians.

>>17821353
If the Russian forces had advanced further into Germany, perhaps more of Germany would have been eradicated. It's only because the Russians were held off that most of Germany fell to the West instead.

>>17821305
ok so who am I gonna trust?
A million different books on ww1 that concludes that Germany was in a hopeless situation in 1918 due to mass-desertion, revolution, starvation, secession, plus overwhelming allied victories.

Or one autistic shitposter on 4chan who simply says no.

>>17821364
France was in an equally hopeless situation. There was no reason the Germans should have surrendered to French hegemony. They should have kept fighting and settled a separate peace with the Anglo countries

>>17821356
>It's only because the Russians were held off that most of Germany fell to the West instead.
Literally not true because the lines of post-war Germany had already been decided, whether Germany resist or not, which makes it even more pointless to throw lives away of children and elderly who shouldnt be fighting.

>perhaps more of Germany would have been eradicated
Perhaps less would have been if Germany surrenered, considering the overwhelmin casualties of the Volksturm that even made wehrmacht soldiers feel appalled because these people were not soldiers and were just thrown away.
Also, a large number of civilian casualties came from NS government directives to evacuate and scorch earth. What do you think happened to East Prussia? The majority of those civilians died because of the chaotic evacuation, not from the actual Red Army.

Bottom line is that Germany wouldnt even consider surrender because to the NS government, nationalism and ideology was worth more than life, and the kids like OP pic had no say in it.
Pic related.

>>17821383
>France was in an equally hopeless situation.
How exactly.
They were advancing with virtually no resistance, werent facing secession militias in their rear like Germany, werent starving, werent having a revolution, didnt have entire divisions deserting the lines as soon as the enemy shows up.

There is nothing to suggest that France was about to give up, and there is not that suggests that USA, Italy, Greece, Britain, Portugal, Brazil etc were going to sign a seperate peace with Germany.

>>17821385
>the lines of post-war Germany had already been decided
This is a deliberate lie you are making. There was nothing in the Yalta conference that gave Russia the right to eradicate the entire Eastern portion of Germany. Russia did it anyway because they could. If Russia had continued to push further into Germany then more of Germany would have been eradicated.

>>17821400
Germany's goal should have been to prevent French hegemony at any cost. If that means sucking up to the British or Americans then so be it.
France had no way to establish control over Europe on their own. They only gained hegemony because the Germans were stupid enough to sign an "armistice" with a Western bloc that included France. Then the American fools bungled negotiations and gave the French everything they wanted.

>>17821401
Did you just learn the word eradicate? You should probably expand your dictionary a little bit.
And I say that as an ESL.

>There was nothing in the Yalta conference
The decision to divide Germany was made at Yalta, so you were the one who deliberately lied when you said "its only because they fought the Russians that not more of Germany was taken".

>Russia did it anyway because they could.
It's probably connected to the fact that the Germans had killed 30 million Russians.
Or should I use the word eradicated? maybe it's a more emotionally charged word.

>If Russia had continued to push further into Germany then more of Germany would have been eradicated.
Except Yalta had established hpw far they should advance, and the German government would probably sue for peace as soon as Hitler was dead in Berlin, you know, like they did IRL.

Because suing for peace was the right thing to do and should have been done much earlier, with respect to the civilian population and every soldier who didnt need to die.
That's what normal states do.

>>17821414
Show me a document from the Yalta conference that says Russia has a right to ethnically cleanse all German territory East of Berlin. If you do not have the document then I will take you for a liar.

>>17821414
>Germans had killed 30 million Russians
Skill issue, Russia should get better at warfare

Also I use the word "eradicate" because the correct word (genocide) would be disputed by you. I'm actually catering to your biases.

>>17821412
>Germany's goal should have been to prevent French hegemony at any cost. If that means sucking up to the British or Americans then so be it.
Fun fact; the Germans tried to surrender only to America in 1918. Do you want to know what the allies said? No.
You literally dont have a point and just making up scenarios such as what if a meteor struck France, and now we're supposed to debate that outcome.

>>17821423
That's why they had to keep fighting to keep France out of the negotiations. Again, it's incredibly stupid to surrender to France when France had no way to conquer Germany on its own. The only reason it even happened is because Wilson deceived the Germans by making it seem France wouldn't get everything they wanted.

>>17821418
Show me a document that all of Germany would be "eradicated" if they chose to sue for peace.

>Also I use the word "eradicate" because the correct word (genocide) would be disputed by you. I'm actually catering to your biases.

Genocide is actually a lighter word because it has a strict set of defitions that dont necessarily include violence.
Eradicate is a word that only insinuates extreme violence, probably because you want the maximum emotionally charged word to make throwing kids into a needless fight seem justified.

>>17821142 (OP)
That kid is 16 btw

>>17821430
You claimed the Yalta conference justified Russia's ethnic cleansing, you have the burden of proof. Where is the document from the Yalta conference that says this?

>>17821427
Nope, it's just that the allies have absolutely no reason to start quarreling among themselves 2 minutes from the finish line after several years of fighting together. You're just stramanning an arugment and it's getting ridiculous.
There were no signs of them doing so, there was no incentive for them to be doing so, so I am now wasting my time debating something that never existed.

>>17821434
It's weird how people used to look younger. Today 13 year olds look fucking 20.

>>17821435
Nope, I said Yalta confirmed the lines of which Soviet and Allies would divide Germany, ergo German resistance had no effect on how far the Russians would advance.

>>17821440
The Americans got involved in the war to help BRITAIN, not to help France. The American populace is much more German than it is French. Even siding with Britain over Germany was considered controversial in America at the time, no Americans wanted to help France over Germany.
Also the British and French don't even like each other. The whole reason they were called an "Entente" is because they refused to call each other allies.

>>17821446
Nope, it's just that the allies have absolutely no reason to start quarreling among themselves 2 minutes from the finish line after several years of fighting together. You're just stramanning an arugment and it's getting ridiculous.
There were no signs of them doing so, there was no incentive for them to be doing so, so I am now wasting my time debating something that never existed.

>>17821445
They confirmed Germany would be partitioned between the Russians and the West. That didn't mean the Russians had a right to annihilate all the Germans in their zone. The more land in Eastern Germany that the Russians conquered, the more Germans would be annihilated.
Therefore it was in Germany's interest to withstand the Russian assault and fall to the West instead.

>>17821447
You're not arguing in good faith, and you clearly don't understand the political landscape in the 1910s if you think the British, French and Americans all had some deep affection for each other. This is a myth created by the postwar environment of WW2

>>17821451
So you swapped eradicated for annihilated now?

>>17821453
You're being very smug but I don't see any rebuttals. Where is this document from the Yalta conference that legitimizes the ethnic cleansing? You have yet to provide it.
The claim you have made in this argument is that it doesn't matter how much land the Russians conquer in 1945, because the exact same territories will be ethnically cleansed due to a mythological document from the Yalta conference. I want to see this document.

>>17821452
Nope, it's just that the allies have absolutely no reason to start quarreling among themselves 2 minutes from the finish line after several years of fighting together. You're just strawmanning an arugment and it's getting ridiculous.
There were no signs of them doing so, there was no incentive for them to be doing so, so I am now wasting my time debating something that never existed.

>You clearly don't understand the political landscape in the 1910s
Ok doctor Chud.

>>17821457
France will never be a fellow Anglo country. Give it up Pierre

>>17821456
So it's ethnic cleansing now? Nor eradication or annihilation?
Which word do you think invokes the most emotions?

>>17821460
They all mean the same thing. My apologies however, would you prefer 'population transfer'?

>>17821456
>You're not arguing in good faith
>You're being very smug but I don't see any rebuttals.
Nope, im just openly mocking you right now, cause you're doing this whole "millions must die" bullshit.

>>17821458
>Anyone who doesnt agree with me must be from whatever country I'm having an autistic fit over
Meds.

>>17821462
>would you prefer 'population transfer'?
Why dont you just not say they were expelled and evacuated.
Instead of the whole
>Annihilated
>Eradicated
>Mass murdered
>Ethnically cleansed

>>17821466
You don't appear to be making any more arguments and are simply resorting to smugness, so I will take my leave. You were able to waste on hour of my time on debating utterly nothing so on that I give you my congratulations. Being a professional time-waster is not a job any person can accomplish. You should be proud.

>>17821142 (OP)
They had every right and reason to put the Versailles Treaty nations under tribute, but the concept of a third reich was retarded and ultimately non-viable.

>>17821149
>oh nooo, the war will stop and we won't get bombed anymore and can finally eat again and live normal lifes
>QUICK, sacrafice every single child!

>>17821353
Communism equated death and ethnic cleansing for germans and that was what communists were doing with germans scross their territories, later during occupation, in their rape campaign against children because lets not forget that when the soviet pedo army occupied germany they raped minors en masse.

You sound like someone that would collaborate with a russian invasion, from one of the most nefarious ideologies known to man, with an histile government and a hostile population.
Why would teenagers no defend their himeland from what would otherwise be secured death?

Return to discord pedo commie groomer

>>17821475
This is what ukraine should do
They are after all grooming child soldiers with roblox advertisements to conscript them in the army.
Ukraine whould surrender inmediately to russia.
After all what are they losing? The rule of weatern oligarchs.

>>17821483

Kek.
The same libtards that advocate for Germans allowing themselves to be occupied by judeobolsheviks and the same british that held and starved a quarter of the world are the ones that support endless war in ukraine.

>>17821483
They should definetly stop defending themselves as soon as they have to send child soldiers, I agree

>>17821487
And you think nazi germany was right to use child soldiers, but at the same time uki land shouldn't defend it self at all from an invasion? Your hypocrisy you project on others is definetly more retarded.

>>17821487
It's humorous how the war birds turn around the moment it's against russia.
Really telling how many of them are just russian plants.

>>17821565
>Germany defending itself from Russian jewish communist child rapist hordes is wrong
>its okay if ukraine does it tho
Hmmmm i wonder who could be behind these posts?
Maybe ukraine should let itself be occupied by russia.
And the balts too!

>>17821142 (OP)
Germans have at least two fundamental mental illnesses:
1) they think their villages' rules, morals and traditions are universal and should be introduced everywhere, because they genuinely view them as perfect
2) They will without exception bow down to any authority near them and will aggresively exclude anyone who doesn't.

>>17821142 (OP)
More Germans died during the first 2 years of peace than during the whole 6 years of war. They feared what would happen if they lost but if they knew, they would have armed even the women and toddlers.

>>17821583
>starting an unwinnable war and using child soldiers in a last chimpout for an already lost cause = defending yourself against an agressor that barely made any progress in the last two years and could just back off at any time
Yep, it's schizo hours again

>>17821600
>More Germans died during the first 2 years of peace than during the whole 6 years of war
Not they didn't

>>17821604
Ukraine demographics are abysmal lmfao, they are literally sending to the last hohol to the trenches for an already lost territory. Is the exact same, Ukraine is also using child soldiers

Germany was simply defending itself against an horde of pedo Russian communist rapists, for which Ukrainians btw collaborate
I'm starting to think there is NATObot socialdemocrat leftist paid shills in this board using prebaked narratives to shill for the communist Zionist-russian and the american muttball side against europe (because yes, Germany is europe, more Europe than the amerimutt Jewish side)

>>17821619
>Ukraine demographics are abysmal lmfao, they are literally sending to the last hohol to the trenches for an already lost territory. Is the exact same, Ukraine is also using child soldiers
They haven't even recruted below the age of 25, schizo-kun.

>>17821624
Winning

>>17821630
What does this have to do with every second word out of your mouth being a dumb lie? Also compare this to russia if you want to make any point

>>17821609
>German soldiers detained by allied forces in the west front starved to death and executed
>Eastern germans executed or sent to siberia.
>Mass starvation in allied controlled germany
>Reprisals against german citizens and denazification purges
Inb4 but hollywood jews didn't tell me about such things

>>17821656
I don't get my history from movies, and all of this still doesn't rack up to more deaths than during the war. You can still make the point that alot of people died post war without lying about it.

>>17821142 (OP)
its ok when ukraine does it chuddie
slava ukraini!

>>17821635
Russia has 150M people, why would I compare? There was 3 times more dead Russians than dead Germans in ww2

>>17821414
>And I say that as an ESL.
Generally speaking, only an ESL would pick on that. Native speakers are very relax about linguistic rules. I see nothing wrong with it, and you sound like you're strawmanning

>>17821142 (OP)
Every faction in WWII deployed children except the USA, and that was only because their homeland wasn't seriously threatened and they suffered hardly any casualties compared to any other faction. Criticizing Germans specifically for this just makes you seek hebraic.

>>17821604
Do the research on Ukraine and child trafficking, corruption, bioweapon labs, orphanages, and organizations that claim to be there to “help” the children.

>>17821191
"accept death"?
fighting is the way to die here
if you just hide in a basement and wait for the shooting to end, you will be fine
maybe this comparison would make sense if the g*rmans were attacking

>>17821600
They knew about the morgenthau plans…

>>17821475
>>QUICK, sacrafice every single child!
They are currently being driven out of existence completely by a malicious ethnic replacement genocide, so yes they had/have a good reason to fight.

Germany is the birthplace of white guilt. If you actually read german philosophy you would know. They want nothing more than "back to nature" treehugging nonsence, thinking they can live in harmony with nature. You can't, you would live at the mercy of nature.

>>17821234
this never happened

>>17821364
>A million different books on ww1 that concludes that Germany was in a hopeless situation in 1918 due to mass-desertion, revolution, starvation, secession, plus overwhelming allied victories.
no they dont, EVERY book states the French could not finish the war on their own, the English could not even finish it on their own.
The role of American supplies and manpower played a decisive role in actually finishing the war.
>it was hopeless
so was Frederick the Great's wars and he managed to win them, so was the War of 1812 and the Americans won that.
So was the second Puni War and the Romans won that.

>>17821400
>They were advancing with virtually no resistance
Then why were they taking any losses at all?
Why settle for an armistice when they could have just walked into Germany?
>nothing suggests France was about to give up
They had mass mutinies and desertions worse than what the Germans did when they were being thrown away in these frontal attacks.
>Greece, Italy, Portugal, Brazil
irrelevants
>USA and Britain wouldnt give up
This is independent to the proposition France was in a weakened state unable to finish the war.

>>17821565
There is nothing actually wrong with child soldiers when you are facing a genocide LOL.