The true Christianity is Faith Alonism. I accepted Jesus, now I'm saved and can go back to doing anything I want, like sinning all day long, throwing the Bible in the trash, and even being an Atheist again. Nothing can undo my salvation, I'm sealed. False Christians of all other denominations can seethe about all the way to Hell.

>>17821327 (OP)
“WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)

“And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.” (Romans 3:8)

“But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” (James 1:14-15)

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.” (Galatians 6:8)

>>17821379
None of that says you can lose your salvation. Once saved always saved.

>No no no no! You have to join my church and do what I say and give me your money to keep being saved!

Seethe.

>>17822018
You do realize once saved always saved is a Protestant doctrine? Protestantism is a rebellion against God and His Church.

>>17821327 (OP)
>posts an atheist
>tries to talk about Christianity
into the trash your thread goes

>>17822018
>Once saved always save
>"Who said: No man, Lord. And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more." (John 8:11)
Salvation is conditional on the refusal to step back into sin, therefore "Once saved, always saved" is erroneous, because there is no guarantee that any man or woman will always refuse sin even after they profess their faith into Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
>inb4 no True Christian from the start
and who are you to judge that? There is only one true Judge, and He is not (you). Peter denied Christ three times, is He not a Christian?

Christianity is a false religion. It's a fairytale. Why do you losers keep spending time on it

>>17822022
Seethe

>>17822049
Seethe

>>17822060
Seethe

Faith Alone. I'm a saved Atheist.

>>17822018
These verses were not meant to show you can lose your salvation (which of course you can't), but rather that "once saved always saved" does not exempt you from your due dilligence towards God. Ignore the warnings and you may wreck your life, die prematurely and spiritually, losing even rewards in eternity. You'd still go to heaven because your salvation was settled at the cross, but you can still pay a dear price if you take it lightly and continue in rebellion.

Anyways, OP, even though obviously not real, would not be saved. Saved people don't go back to atheism:

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” (1 John 2:19)

>>17822100
>Seethe
Judas recognized Jesus and now suffers forever in his crime. Brother, you need to recognize that Matthew 7:21-23 was written specifically for you :
>21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
>22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
>23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
I really hope you see the light before Jesus says He never knew you in the end.

>>17822107
>John 20:31
>but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Believe and Seethe, Christcuck

>>17822133
Seethe

>>17822142
Why would I seethe? It's a perfectly good bible verse.

Christianity is a false religion. These threads are getting really tiresome

>>17822133
>but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven

You're too dumb to even know your own religion. What is the will of the Father? It's to simply believe. No works.

>John 6:40
>For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Seethe

>>17822142
>>17822148
keep coping, Faithonlyist. You've already reached the bottom of your barrel, since you can't refute my usage of the Gospels
You need to accept that to reach salvation is a constant process, and it is given only through God's mercy on our struggles against sin.

>>17822149
Believe

>>17822151
Seethe

>>17822153
>John 6:40
>For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
yes, and your work is to bring the rest of the flock to Him, to look upon Him. Not faith alone.

>>17822157
>John 3:16
>“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Believe. No other requirement. Seethe.

>>17822164
>work

>Ephesians 2:8-9
>For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

No, I won't give your church money and perform works for you. Seethe and die.

>>17822166
I will bring up my very first point as of >>17822060, faith is conditional on the maintenance of faith and the refusal to step back into sin.
To have faith is to _work_ to maintain that faith against the temptations of the flesh and the world. "Always saved" is simply not true.

>>17822176
>not a result of works, so that no one may boast

Seethe, boaster.

>>17822181
I'm not "boasting", I am telling you how it simply is. Faith is conditional, and that condition is to work on not stepping back into sin.
Stop coping, man.

>>17822176
Look at you boasting about how righteous you are compared to everyone else.

>Romans 3:10-12
>as it is written:
>“None is righteous, no, not one

Saved be faith alone:

>Romans 4:5
>And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness

GET BEHIND ME, SATAN!

>>17822186
My belief is counted as righteousness without works. Seethe. You are of your father, the Devil.

“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30)

Emphasis on "sealed".

>>17822203
>>17822197
Again, you can claim as many verses as you want, if you cannot refute Jesus' conditional on the adulterer, then you cannot claim that salvation is not a work of its own, no matter how much you seethe and claim "sola fide".

>>17822065
I look forward to watching you burn from above

>>17822223
You're going to be locked in a torture chamber by artificial intelligence very soon, and no matter how much you cry out, you will not be saved.
Hell does not exist and your threats are entirely meaningless.
You have only a few years left. You really, really need to come to terms with this before it's too late.

>>17822218
>Jesus' conditional on the adulterer

That's a proven fake passage that's now been removed from the Bible. The best you have is forgeries?

GET BEHIND ME SATAN!

>>17822218
>Both the Novum Testamentum Graece (NA28) and the United Bible Societies (UBS4) provide critical text for the pericope, but mark this off with double square brackets, indicating that the Pericope Adulterae is regarded as a later addition to the text.

Cope and seethe

No matter how hard you come at me with your Satanic ways, Faith Alone cannot be defeated.

>>17822277
>That's a proven fake passage
according to who? The Bible is divinely-inspired, it is not the Word of God, Jesus Christ, but a human compilation concerning Him that was canonized with the Council of Rome.
>that's now been removed from the Bible.
under whose authority? the unconquerable Church whose authority was established under Saint Peter the Apostle, or some human authority that refused communion?

>>17822316
According to Bible Scholars that compile the Greek manuscripts to translate and create Bibles

I don't care about your dumb church. Jesus said faith alone, that settles it.

JUST BELIEVE, GOYIM

DON'T THINK, JUST BELIEVE

Just believe in the foreskin God and you shall be saved!

>>17822352
>According to Bible Scholars that compile the Greek manuscripts to translate and create Bibles
You mean the ones that did so for the Council of Rome?
>Jesus said faith alone
Jesus said "and sin no more". You have work to do, anon.

I know it doesn't make sense, just believe it anyway! Just turn your brain off and BELIEVE ON CHRIST. HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD.

>>17822368
That's a fake verse, I already told you.

The thief on the cross only believed and he was saved. The end. You're done. JUST BELIEVE!

HAIL SATAN

Oh, guess what, I'm still saved. Once saved always saved. I believed once, I'm saved forever now. Nothing I do can unsave me.

>>17822373
>That's a fake verse, I already told you.
No it isn't. You just claimed it is, when the canonical compilation still includes it and those who share communion still consider it real.
The Church was before the Bible. There is no conceivable way you can claim sola scriptura without saying that Jesus lied and that there was no Christianity from the ordering of the Great Commission by Jesus Christ until the Council of Rome of 382, which was the first scriptural confirmation of the canon.

>>17822404
No, there is direct evidence of it not being in the earliest manuscripts. It was added later. I can't help you get past your pride and boastfulness.

>>17821327 (OP)
Only works if you believe the right thing (you don't).

>>17822377
That only applies if you were saved to begin with, which you were not: 17822107

>>17822465
>No, there is direct evidence of it not being in the earliest manuscripts.
And what does that have to do with whether or not it is canonical? The Church, the Ecclesia of the faithful that will not be defeated by Hell, canonized it in 382. Again, you offer nothing but empty, purely human historiographical reason as to why you want to persist into your sola fide mindset. Go, AND SIN NO MORE.

>>17822153
>everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him
The proof that you believed in him is that you obeyed him. If you prayed for those who persecute you then you believed in Jesus.

>>17821327 (OP)
You seem to be an antinomian, anon.

I fully believe and affirm OSAS but if you are antinomian I have to conclude you don't actually believe and thus are not saved. See 1 John 2:19 as quoted earlier.

>>17822018
>None of that says you can lose your salvation. Once saved always saved.
This is true. That still doesn't imply the antinomianism of OP.

>>17822060
>Salvation is conditional on the refusal to step back into sin
That is works salvation. We are justified before God by the blood of Christ that was shed for us, not our own works.

>>17822157
>You need to accept that to reach salvation is a constant process
Not according to John 5:24.

>>17821327 (OP)
sorry anon, if you’re not affirming the law of Jesus Christ you’re not being Faithful
now go to Confession IMMEDIATELY!

>>17822277
>>17822290
>>17822465
>>17822352
>According to Bible Scholars that compile the Greek manuscripts to translate and create Bibles
You are referring to corrupt Bible versions, and there isn't even any point to this argument. Jesus said "sin no more" in John 5:14.

"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
(John 5:14)

>>17822499
>>17822755
>>17822969
>>17822986
>B-b-b-but you have to do works to support my child molesting church!

No, fuck you straight to Hell, scumbag. Faith alone is all it takes.

>>17822499
>canonized it in 382

So 300 years after the text was corrupted, wow. Third worlders aren't sending their best here.

>>17823530
Why are you being this disingenuous, anon?

>>17823571
As an Atheist, I believe your church is the closest thing to Satan manifest as possible and your are a demon. I don't even see you as human.

>>17823571
As an Atheist, I believe your church is the closest thing to Satan manifest as possible and you're are a demon. I don't even see you as human.

>>17821327 (OP)
Do I have to believe in "faith alone" to be saved? If so, thats more than "faith alone"

>>17823817
No, you just believe Jesus is the savior.

>>17823817
>Do I have to believe in "faith alone" to be saved?
See the following:

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 11:25-26)

>>17823879
>>17824198
so if someone believes in "faith + works" would they still be saved, regardless?

>>17824212
Yes

They are just burdening themselves for no reason though

>>17824212
>so if someone believes in "faith + works"
It's not entirely clear what this is supposed to mean. Do you mean that they think their own works are necessary to save them? Because if so, that means they are trusting in those works rather than what Christ Jesus did, as our Lord and Savior.

>>17824234
It typically means "true faith will produce good works" and to be skeptical of those who preach faith but produce evil works or no works at all.

>>17821327 (OP)
>and even being an Atheist again.
No, that would just demonstrate that you never believed.
>>17821379
None of that says you can lose your salvation. Once saved always saved.
>>17822022
>You do realize once saved always saved is a Protestant doctrine? Protestantism is a rebellion against God and His Church.
Enjoy Hell.
>>17822060
>Salvation is conditional on the refusal to step back into sin
No, it's conditional on believing in Jesus. Have fun burning.

>>17824243
>It typically means "true faith will produce good works" and to be skeptical of those who preach faith but produce evil works or no works at all.
Yeah that's not a works Gospel. You should be fine. The point is to avoid trusting in some work you have done as your justification to save you. It's not to become an antinomian like I think OP is implying you should do.

In fact, you can find plenty of teaching against antinomianism in Scripture as well. I think of Matthew 5:16 and Matthew 7:20 from the Sermon on the Mount for instance.

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
- Matthew 5:16

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
- Matthew 7:18-20

"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me."
- 1 Corinthians 15:10

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"
- Philippians 1:6

Hope that helps, anon.

>>17824251
This nigga made a site?

>>17824261
>nigga
Rope.

>>17824268
Doesnt suicide send me to hell, though?

>>17824280
Not if you believe in Jesus.

>>17824301
thanks for this.

>>17824301
That's a first.

>>17824301
So shouldn't all Christians just kill themselves so they can get to heaven faster?

>>17824308
>So shouldn't all Christians just kill themselves so they can get to heaven faster?
No, we have work to do on this earth.

>>17824313
I thought you said works don't matter, though.

>>17824315
They don't matter for whether you go to Heaven or Hell, but they do matter for the rewards you get in Heaven, and they matter even more for the person who would have gone to Hell but for the fact that you gave them the gospel and got them saved. Do try to think before you write. I know it is hard for you.

>>17824323
Rewards? So if I do a lot of prosyletizing I get 72 virgins? But if I believe but do nothing I get like one virgin?

>>17824308
That violates the 6th commandment, thou shalt not kill.

I joined some disc server with a bunch of whiney moral grandstanding christcucks.

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