Did American Unitarianism significantly effect the further development of Christianity and religion in general in the USA or was it largely irrelevant and swept aside by mainstream protestantism? I find the concept that Unitarianism was to become the de facto "state religion" of America to be fascinating considering today it is such a fringe/nonexistent belief in most countries today. I suspect it had a diffuse effect on the general theology of the American people, I just don't know exactly how or to what extent. If you asked random American people on the street today whether Jesus is God, I wonder if they would actually say yes, or if they would say he was simply a holy man, subservient to God.

>>17821890 (OP)
Masonry built America, not Christianity.

>>17822836
*Naturalism

>>17822836
>>17822841
You're both wrong
>>17821890 (OP)
No, Jefferson was an idiot. The majority was Episcopalian, Baptist and Presbyterian.

>>17822849
Tell me what part of Christianity is in the constitution

>>17822854
All of it.

>>17822859
haha, more like none of it

>>17822849
Jefferson was considered by the other founding fathers to be the most intelligent among them.
The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.

>>17822868
It was founded by christians for christians but it wasn't about to start proselytizing like the papists, they believed in a purely secular government so everybody could leave in peace and not have constant religious civil wars

>>17822861
All of it. All of it was produced in the milieu of a Christian consensus.
>>17822868
>The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.
This is rewriting history. The party has always ruled Oceania

>>17821890 (OP)
Christians hate Unitarians and Unitarians hate Christians, both are Religions of hate. Masons created America, thank God, not them.

>>17822878
>Christian consensus
>the main intellectual behind the US denied jesus was divine

>>17822874
>they believed in a purely secular government
That's also not true

>>17822874
Washington literally wrote that America was not founded as a Christian nation.
>>17822878
No, you losers are the ones trying to rewrite history.

>>17822884
What part of the US government is religious?

>>17822885
Awomen comrade. Behead those who deny the party has always ruled Oceania

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/the-us-a-christian-nation-not-according-to-the-fou

>>17822890
The entire thing.

>>17822885
Congress told the mudslimes in north africa they were a secular government and therefore could not be legally targeted by muslim pirates according to their own religion

>>17822868

>endowed by their Creator

obviously this text is referring to the parents of the person not God

>>17822897
The founding fathers outright said America is not a Christian nation multiple times

>>17822902
Right the government is secular

>>17822901
"Creator" does not mean "Christian God"
Most of the founding fathers were deists and not Christian.
>>17822906
Yes

>>17822908
the people that live in the country are still christians

>>17822861

>>17822908
>Most of the founding fathers were deists
>>17822902
>The founding fathers outright said America is not a Christian nation multiple times
These are both lies intended to press a modern Antichrist agenda (for if there is no God there can be no truth, and with no truth history becomes the atheist's playground to invent narratives as he pleases, so kings become black and the founding fathers become unbelievers, for the atheist is the constant enemy of truth).

>>17822849
>>17822910
we need to stop this myth that america ever belonged to a jewish cult

>>17822953
many people in the countryside didn't even have churches

>>17822957
what were they fucking bogomilists?

>>17822953
why would you ever assume such a low number for the congregation?
the average congregation today has 1000s of families registered
it’s totally normal for one (1) church to have 7000 congregants

>>17822910
Christianity is dying. Less than a third of the youth are Christians

>>17822920
Neither of those statements are lies
There is truth and the truth is Christianity is a false religion. You're a faggot.

>>17822960
They couldn't afford them, people relied on traveling priests for the entire settlement period of the US. There's a flowering tree in the US that flowers in spring called serviceberry that people popularly believe was named because it announced the time that priests would be traveling again.

>>17822965
churches back then where not as large as now. he even says "based on later data"

the founding fathers werent christian
the majority of the population at the time werent christian
the us will never ever be a christian country and you will NEVER be a woman

>>17822836
White people did.

>>17822975
they can just build a new church? this isnt the modern times where there are bullshit zoning laws and it costs your entire life savings just to have a house. pic related is the alternative explanation, which makes more sense especially when you consider how places like new york are the "frontiers" of today and likewise have high degrees of atheism

>>17822970
I accept your concession.

>>17823001
nah mate, the reason there weren't a lot of churches was because people were going out into virgin wilderness and making log cabins and not becoming priests

>>17822902
>The founding fathers outright said America is not a Christian nation multiple times
That's not what is written in the actual legal documents. America has always been implicitly Christian, and the idea of freedom of conscience is a Biblical value.

The Supreme Court explicitly affirms that America is a Christian nation. This is far more relevant. See the following two SCOTUS decisions:

Church of the Holy Trinity v United States (1892)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/143/457/
This unanimous court ruling reads:
"These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a Congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?"

United States v Macintosh (1931)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/283/605/
The prevailing majority decision reads:
"We are a Christian people (Holy Trinity Church v. United States, 143 U. S. 457, 143 U. S. 470-471), according to one another the equal right of religious freedom and acknowledging with reverence the duty of obedience to the will of God."

The origin of the Establishment clause in the First Amendment, which establishes freedom of religion has its origins in the Rhode Island colonial charter. John Clarke petitioned for that charter in the following way in 1663:

"That they might be permitted to hold forth a lively experiment that a most flourishing civil state may stand, and best be maintained, with a full liberty in religious concernments; and that true piety, rightly grounded upon gospel principles, will give the best and greatest security to sovereignty, and will lay in the hearts of men the strongest obligation to true loyalty."
- The appeal of John Clarke to Charles II for the charter of Rhode Island (1663)

>>17823020
your innawoods fantasy is not real life

>>17823025
pic rel at that point is talking about secular humanist ideals which the freemasons also drew from. this is not the same as bible thumping protestantism. read the jefferson bible if you care about what "christian" here means

>>17823047
>America is a Christian nation
>talking about secular humanist ideals
ignorance is strength

>>17823047
>pic rel at that point is talking about secular humanist ideals which the freemasons also drew from.

>>17823047

>>17823053
actually read the quote where brewer elaborates on what he meant. even the anon i was responding to only said implicitly christian because he knows it was never an explicit thing and more about the spirit of christianity rather than something literal

>>17822849
Of course people like Jefferson were the minority, and that is the point. People like him had an oversized influence on the new country vs the religious majority. And many educated "Christians" in his circles had very symbolic views of the faith compared to the common people. All that said he was wrong, 19th century Americans were more religious than 18th.

>>17823077
So in other words not secular humanism and not the spirit of secular humanism
>the establishment of Christianity was informal, therefore it wasn't real. he actually meant it wasn't a Christian nation!
Cope

>>17823065
this random painting has btfo'd me

>>17823113
Traveling clergy is a major part of american culture, the self reliance of one's own religious enlightenment, self education.

Why does anybody need a priest to interpret the bible anyway? Well I'm sure their main function was marriages

>>17823108
>The phrase secular humanism has evolved over time. The phrase has been used since at least the 1930s by Anglican priests, and in 1943, the then Archbishop of Canterbury, William Temple, was reported as warning that the "Christian tradition... was in danger of being undermined by a 'Secular Humanism' which hoped to retain Christian values without Christian faith."
just stop typing lil bro

>>17823120
the point of a church isn't just to interpret a religious text, it is to have communion with the holy spirit. the church is the body of christ. religion isnt just something you practice in your own home separate from everyone else. if these wild west towns had much of a demand for it, they would actually build churches, but they didnt

>>17823145
One of the only meaningful things new england gave the US culturally was the importance individual of bible literacy. The first great awakening was about the spontaneous "outside of the church" religious revival and was anti-institutional. Couple this with the very real lack of clergy in the US and you have a lot of people worshiping and praying in their own homes

>>17823154
*importance of individual bible literacy

>>17823154
you know what ill just give you this one. it is possible there were people practicing stuff privately, and frankly i was reflecting and realized it is stupid to act so aggressive against christianity like this. even if these people werent particularly religious, there is still a christian spirit, and i think that is more worth exploring than bickering on these matters

>>17823047
>pic rel at that point is talking about secular humanist ideals which the freemasons also drew from.

>>17823185
Im not even Christian, these are just the facts

>>17823054
>>17823065
>>17823222
you have nothing to say